one, each knows donald trump and the trump children very well. number two, each of them is cooperating with prosecutors against donald trump. and the convening of a grand jury is very significant because it's a really unique investigative tool. it is not something you start unless you have serious evidence as a prosecutor. and andrew is exactly right. this panel is going to work three days a week. that has to make donald trump nervous. they're working a lot more longer hours than he ever did. and all is focussed on him. and the grand jury is a secret thing. so when people go in, like, you know, perhaps the people you had on your show yesterday, they don't go in with their lawyers. they go in by themselves. that's for an iortant reason because, you know, maybe their lawyers are paid for by the figure head of the criminal enterprise or something like that and telling them what to say. when that witness goes in, she or he tells her truth only to these people on the grand jury and the prosecutor. it is a powerful tooth for getting at the truth, and t

and donald trump knew was coming. a trump advisor tool political today, there's definitely a cloud of nerves in the air because of the grand jury investigation in new york city where prosecutors have obtained and are studying donald trump's tax returns, for evidence of possible bank fraud, tax fraud, insurance fraud. the washington post reports quote, the district attorney also is examining the compensation provided to top trump organization executives, people familiar with the matter have said. prosecutors reportedly are hoping that added pressure on donald trump's longtime accountant the so-called chief financial officer of trump world, allen weisselberg, whose own taxes are under criminal investigation of, will convince weisselberg to cooperate with investigators. as he has actually done before in a trump investigation. the trump adviser told politico, i think the weisselberg involvement and the wild card of that makes the political situation more real. the fact that they are dealing with a numbers guy who just has

that donald trump represents. marco rubio has the job of defending donald trump. >> yeah, grab the popcorn. i would say you know even if you are not a democrat, a republican who believes in democracy, marco rubio seems afraid of everything. val demings seems to be afraid of nothing. there is a real contrast in terms of strength and kyle clark character. obama won it in 2012. trump opens up a few points in 2020. you have to look at the senate picture in totality. the democratic party in my view, this is not just maintaining control in 2022 as important as it is. the 2024 cycle in the senate is brutal for the democrats. you got joe manchin and we are not playing that much offense, maybe now to campaign against cruz being a presidential year or maybe rick scott. you have to maximize in wisconsin and you have to protect warnock and kelly. you have to have some states like florida. this time there were few people in politics. they ended up determining the president of the senate control. florida is really important. i

he said trump was innocent. barr said he consulted with justice department lawyers about all that evidence that was laid out by mueller, and he concluded on the basis of that evidence that none of that was a crime, none of that was all that serious. there was nothing to prosecute. trump didn't need immunity, he was innocent. earlier this month, a federal judge in washington, d.c. issued a scathing ruling that basically said, yeah, that's not what happened. in a case about whether the justice department has to release to the public some of their internal documents about the decision whether to prosecute trump, the judge ruled that the way bill barr described that decision, his supposed exoneration of trump, is not actually what happened. she ordered the justice department to release their internal memo about the potential prosecution of trump for obstruction of justice. she gave the justice department until yesterday to release that document or appeal her ruling. late last night, after we were off the air, the ju

trump university. that resulted not only the trump university being shut down, it also resulted in trump having to pay $25 million. that same office brought a devastating civil case against trump's sham fraudulent authority. it resulted in the also being shut down and having to pay millions of dollars in penalty. that's the same office that's still pursuing a civil investigation of the trump organization of its business. even though it -- for criminal prosecution and seconded to its prosecutors from the attorney generals office one going over to the da 's office to collaborate with them and work on that criminal case. all of these things are questions of serious potential liability for the president. and then there's the question of what's happening as a federal level. the prospect of federal criminal charges against former president trump, and every time we report on this i feel a little cycle in my ear that tells me attorney general merrick garland has eaten another fistful of mint flavored tubs. i g

and you'd find it at the trump org. >> find it at the trump org. that was trump's former attorney michael cohen laying out a road

trump lost. it is something that is important for her to do and now that she is no longer in leadership she can do it. once she not only starts denying his argument but starts presenting the case for the truth, they will start to believe her and dislike him. host: put phone numbers on the bottom of the screen for henry olsen. we will take calls from democrats at (202) 748-8000. for republicans (202) 748-8001. for independents, (202) 748-8002 . what kind of future as -- one more question about liz cheney, what kind of it future does she have in the party? guest: she has to decide if you wants to be in -- she wants to be in communion with the republican party. she calls that memo neo-marxist when it simply calls for a tough line on china and appeals to the working class and a tough line on illegal immigration shows she is out of touch with the majority values of the republican party. she can have an important part in the voice of the minority, but not the majority. host: what do you think of the le

if you support donald trump that's what being a conservative means. trump's brand of extremism isn't his alone it can be seen in other members of the party like marjorie taylor green a representative from georgia elected in november green raise controversy for remarks she made before and during her campaign. there is an islamic invasion into our government offices right now ok and for supporting defunct conspiracy theories about school shootings and harassing a student who survived one you know everything and i know your stuff she was even a believer in q and on this we're talking about who is key someone to tell you what he says according to him many and our government are actively worshipping satan. or they call the law to look at this image it was because of rhetoric and statements like this the republican leaders were pressed to remove cream from committee assignments another test holding a member of their party accountable but they alternately chose not to sing her comments were in the past pushing democrats to make the move themselves. 50. worst

he's very loyal to donald trump and the trump family. remember, he started working for donald trump's father before donald trump took over the company. he's been there for decades. so you would have to, i think, have very strong evidence and very significant jail time exposure for allen weisselberg in order to get him to cooperate. >> it's a very good point. daniel, thank you so much for breaking all of that down as we search for answers here. much more on this including a reaction from a trump biographer next. and they're finally deciding to condemn markry taylor greene's comments after she compared mask rules to the holocaust. we're going to show you the explicit response to the gop leader. >>> and why the biden administration shut down a secret covid origin investigation that began under president trump. ♪ you've got the looks ♪ ♪ let's make lots of money ♪ ♪ you've got the brawn ♪ ♪ i've got the brains... ♪ with allstate, drivers who switched saved over $700 click or call to switch there are never enough hours in the

i supported donald trump. i still think they did dirty, jack dorsey need to remember that it was -- if it were not donald trump, he wouldn't have have the users he has. he made that service famous. he was the most famous twitter user in history. he took that service when it wasn't that popular and made it popular. and to take your number one twitter user and treat him the way they did is disgraceful. and dorsey ought to remember that. they should get on their knees and thank donald trump and ask his apology for how they mistreated him. it's bad enough that he was a good twitter user. he was the president of the united states. how you could do that to any former president or current president is just unspeakable. host: tony in louisiana. billy long, congressman from louisiana, on the oversight energy and commerce committee i should say, their hearing in late march, asked facebook's mark zuckerberg if he would stand by the decision of the oversight board on whether former president donald trump should be reinsta

in the trump world. it's something we knew was coming and donald trump knew was coming. a trump ad advisor told politico there's definitely nerves in the air in new york city where prosecutors have obtained and are studying donald trump's tax returns for possible bank fraud, tax fraud, and the "washington post" reports the district attorney is examining the compensation provided to the top trump organizations people familiar with the matter. prosecutors hope added pressure on donald trump's long-time accountant, chief financial officer allen wisenberg whose own taxes are under criminal investigation will convince wisenberg to cooperate as he has done before in a trump investigation. advisor told politico, the weisselberg involve. ment -- involvement makes the situation more deal, the fact dealing with a numbers guy with more details makes people more nervous. one of the trump aids saying he's missing being president terribly. no kidding. he's missing the attention? he's missing air force one. not being president means donald trump is a loser. as peter marks said the lose

and the trump org. vance's investigation is expansive, according to people particular with the probe, and public dis-clowe shurps in litigation. investigators are ute scrutinizing trump's real estate portfolio, that were manipulated in a way that defrauded banks, and if tax benefits were obtained illegally. i want to get to two people who spent a lot of time looking in trump's taxes. andrea bernstein and david cay johnston, co-founder of dcreport.org. andrea, let me start with you. you have spend a lot of time, years of your life now, sifting through this. a very complex business intentionally, and it's not public one. so there is only so much you can look at. what is your sense of how well known to anyone the inner workings of this business are? >> well, i suspect it's quite well known at this moment to the manhattan district attorney's office. they have gotten the tax records. they had them for months now. they had a team poring over them. they have experts, just recently, they have assistants from th

that they are in as donald trump suggested a sort of a life and death situation. now when you play that politics you want a real risk of no longer manipulating the base no longer manipulating your supporters but actually being in a position where you can't turn it off. and the question is will the fire overtake the party will it overtake the country. covered 19 has compounded the homelessness crisis in l.a. and abandoned impoverished families are forcing radical change he decided to say hey we're going to stand out. as a human right by claiming property left vacant by the state the 1st thing i did was change the locks my duty is to find out are safe that means breaking the law then i want to do that for one shelter in place l.a.'s fight for housing on al-jazeera. the town the untold stories. we speak when of us to. be caught up alongside us. no matter where it takes us a pretty familiar feeling seared galileo. and palin and pasha which tell your stories we are your voice no news to al-jazeera. a relentless bombardment toggles of polls as families to flee their hom

now than not trump. i don't think there is any doubt about that. i do point out that donald trump endorsed the widow of ron wyatt, who -- i'm looking forward to serving with her if she wins, nothing against her at all, he endorsed her five days before the election would have to votes were cast and she was ahead in the polls. that's not a courageous endorsement. anybody that knows trump knows he is scared to death to take endorsements because he is worried that if he loses something, people will see him for what he is. in terms of michael wood, i knew that would be a long shot. but my view with country first, with what i want to do and what i support is not to sit back and just find races that i know can win and support those people, because all that becomes is me doing things to promote myself. and maybe people are just so cynical on politics, but i'm truly not doing this to promote adam kinzinger. i dedicated my life to this country and this party, so for me it was important to show that if you are will

and the trump organization. tonight, what we know about this big step forward for prosecutors. what we know about the manhattan da's timeline. what a potential indictment means for the political party that donald trump still controls. and can the criminal justice system actually hold a former president accountable? >> there was nothing that happened at the trump organization that did not go through mr. trump with his approval. >> plus, where we stand as a nation. one year after the murder of george floyd. with jamele hill and adam sewer. all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. with a huge new story. out tonight from the washington post, recently confirmed that the ap appears, reporting in the manhattan district attorney has now convened a grand jury that will hear evidence in the criminal case against donald trump. the grand jury is expected to decide whether or not to indict the twice impeached acts president. that's according to two people familiar with the situation. this indi

you will see the very first thing, our story, donald trump. the leadership in donald trump jr. are the two people listening. so look, i suppose that he can pull a ted cruz and blame his kids here or something like that but absent that, with this letter is saying is that prosecutors believe that there is a strong reason to think that the trump organization committed various crimes. and remember, the cross accusers here have trump's tax returns. he lost 9 to 0 to keep this from the new york prosecutors but they've got it. very bad news for him. >> so neil, let me take a second whack at this. this is new york city and state. are there any limits on their scope or powers? can they prosecute for good reason anybody for anything at anytime? >> well, they've got to be crimes of course but i think the fact that the new york attorney general, the state prosecutors involved is very significant for two reasons. number one, before this, this was let off by the manhattan da who is actually retiring. so there's a questionable happens that investigation after he leaves this fall. but second,

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not trump. i don't think there is any doubt about that. i do point out that donald trump endorsed the widow of ron wyatt, -- ron white. susan white. i am looking forward to serving her if she wins. i have nothing against her at all. he endorsed her five days before the election would have to votes were cast and she was ahead in the polls. that's not a courageous endorsement. in fact, anybody that knows trump knows he is scared to death. he is only taking safe endorsements because he is worried if you loses something, people will see him for what he is, a paper tiger. i knew that was going to be a long shot. my view with country first, what i want to do and with who i support is not to sit back and just find races we know can win and support those people because all that becomes is me doing things to promote myself. and maybe people are just so cynical on politics, but i'm truly not doing this to promote adam kinzinger. it is actually something i care about. i dedicated my life to this country an

it is donald trump. donald trump was out of power. kevin mccarthy went down and put the paddles on him and resurrected him politically back to life. he is the one who tweet something about horse doping. all this weird stuff -- he does not tweet anymore, he sends out a press release. he is the one that keeps talking about biden stole the election. he is out of power and a loser, but he is the person that a lot of people fear. emily: why do you think that is? a poll showed that 80% of -- 81% of republicans still view president trump favorably. i know that obviously there have been many other polls showing within your party. at the end of the day, lawmakers are responding to their constituents. why are so many constituents still very loyal to trump? rep. kinzinger: it is a delicate dance. on the one hand, we respond to constituents, but we also have to lead. otherwise if you are chasing public opinion and public opinion is following leaders, you end up chasing your tail out in traffic. to some extent you look at your tail and wonder wher

donald trump lost that lawsuit against you because donald trump is not a billionaire. no one outside of the trump organization knows more about the trump businesses than you do. what is your reaction tonight to this announced publicly announced teamwork now in a criminal investigation of the trump businesses by the new york state attorney general and the manhattan district attorney? >> it's this dramatically ups the legal pressure on trump, on weisselberg and the entire trump organization, lawrence. up until now they've been their consequential of the twoas mo relative to laetitia james is investigation. she's a new york attorney general. because he had a criminal probe. and a criminal probe potentially carries a prison sentence. with it, a civil probe usually at its worst can result in a massive fine. the fact that she, the new york a. g. has decided to convert her case from a civil to criminal probe in a prosecution suggests that she has evidence of criminal intent. that is the standard and a case that the defendant knew that he or she was doing something wrong and h

trump jr. calls the investigation a quote flagrant witch hunt that started before new york's attorney general took office and before she'd seen any evidence. but new york's a.g. scarcely all the former guy has to worry about today. now facing criminal exposure and another jurisdiction outside new york. the d.a. in georgia is probing trump's efforts to reverse the outcome of the contest there. a federal prosecutor says trump could be ensnared in the federal probes into january 6. and as trump's legal jeopardy continues the mount coverage has already turned to the intricacies of extradition policy. plit toe reporting last week that law enforcement officials in florida have actively prepared that trump could be indicted in the manhattan probe while at mar-a-lago. the growing legal peril for trump is where we start today. kneel kotiel is here. national security analyst frank fagluzi whose new podcast launches next tuesday and bloomberg opinion senior columnist tim o'brian is here. you have been cov

they are choosing trump over the truth. today, in a swift voice vote, they ousted liz cheney as house committee chair. >> we cannot both embrace the big lie and embrace the constitution. >> let's not forget that it was lies about the election that drove trump supporters to riot and attack police officers, and vandalize the u.s. capitol on january 6th while calling for mike pence to be killed. immediately after that attack, even republican leaders agreed that trump had incited the crowd. >> trump and i, wraefd a hell of a journey. i hate it. from my point of view, he'sen a consequential president. but today, all i can say is count me out, enough is enough. >> the president bear respond for wednesday atack. he should have denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> and there's no question that the president formed the mob, the president incited the mob. he's to blame. >> that attack was based on a big like that trump fed to his supporters and over and over again that the election was stolen from here. joe biden recei

>> inappropriately close with vanessa trump, donald trump's jr.'s ex, means there was a relationship. certainly this relationship, if it did exist, is unappropriate, and against secret service rules. secret service protectors are not supposed to get personal with their protectees as it may compromise their situation guarding them. 7 another nugget involves tiffany trump, the president's oldest adult child. it's said tiffany trump developed a close relationship with a-- quote-- tall, dark, and handsome secret service on her detail after breaking up with one of her boyfriends. this is another thing that came out in this "post" and the "guardian" story, a little teaser from carol's book that says trump did not like the appearance of some of his agents. he said, "i want these fat guys off my detail. how are they going to protect me and my family if they can't run down the street?" >> trevor: wait. hold up. do trump's secret service agents really need to be that fit? i mean, if we're honest, they only need to run fast enough to keep up with him. not to

so, trump should not be prosecuted. remember, barr said they didn't rely on this prohibition on a president being prosecuted while he is sitting in office. he said actually, we decided that the justice department, i decided on consultation with attorneys that none of those things describe constituted crime that's why trump won't be charged. that's the story they told the public. that apparently is not what happened. federal judge amy bernard jackson ruling today that the supposed advice that william barr got from the justice department, that's supposed to lead him to conclude that these weren't crimes, and therefore trump shouldn't be criminally charged, she ruled today that that advice to william barr, has to be released to the public. the justice department under william barr had repelled that. people filed requests for, it oh oversight group called crew had filed a lawsuit seeking that document. the justice department had demurred, said no, we are not gonna release that document because that is real legal advice we d

well, donald trump has left office. there is no justice department policy protecting him from being indicted now. the statute of limitations has not run on the conduct that was described in the mueller report. and the evidence against him in terms of these multiple seriousv allegations of obstruction of justice, that evidence was in the mueller report obtained and preserved, laid out very orderly, laid out in a very orderly way by mueller's investigators. a federal judge has just ruled within the past two weeks that justice department at the time, they never looked substantively at that evidence while trump was president. they never made a substantive determination as to whether or not criminal charges against trump were warranted. the justice department is now free to make that determination if they want to. and just last night, a deal was finally reached to finally have testimony for the first time from the main witness against the former president for those obstruction of justice allegations. it seems like a big deal

guest: i think there was a significant trump -- drag from trump on republicans down ticket. colorado was actually fairly close in 2016. i believe it was four or five points that hillary clinton won, it was 15 for biden. we saw that filter down to down ballot to congressional races. you're right that colorado is getting a district. it is interesting that this will be the first cycle there were redistricting commissions for the congressional districts in the state legislature. there is a ymca coalition amendment that passed and those are being implemented so it is kind of new, wide-open territory in terms of what could happen. the districts are going to have to change somewhat because there is going to be an additional seats there. until we get the lines, it is hard to ultimately handicap who is going to -- which party stands to gain more over the other. host: how about you come back and we will reassess everything? guest: we will have it instantly. as long as we know the candidates. the district lines are a first step. host: nathan >> sees bands washington journal -- c-span's

you covered the trump administration extensively, john. how bad could this get for trump? >> look, there's good reason for them to be concerned because the events that have gotten rudy giuliani in trouble are not just some random dealings by the former new york city mayor with a random country of ukraine. this is all an extension of the interference in our elections by russia that began in 2016 when donald trump hired a putin-aligned campaign manager who had worked in ukraine, for a ukrainian leader. he worked with a russian intelligence agent. the treasury department told us that a couple of weeks ago, konstantin kilimnik. and russia sided with donald trump in the election. big investigation about that. robert mueller couldn't -- didn't find sufficient evidence of a conspiracy. he did find some evidence that donald trump tried to cover it up. you get to 2020. russia is trying to interfere again. how? well, russia was trying to shield itself from responsibility for having interfered the first time, spread the misinformation that ukraine was involved. at the same time that

to make trump feel better? we know biden is not going to leave the white house while he's legally certified to be in that role. what's the goal here? >> right. >> the goal here is undermine the institution, undermine the people and no voter in this country deserves to be undermined in this way. >> as you said, it's not an audit down tlxt you can call it a confidence audit, which is what the mafia and cartels do, where they use the word audit to try to take something that's not theirs. but, no, it's not a real audit. it's very seriously a problem. i want to play a little bit of george will, who has been a very strong conservative, very much right winger, he would say himself for a long time. here's what he said about where this party is headed. >> we have something new in american history that was i political party by the terror it feels from its own voters. every elected officials is frightand of their voters and doesn't respect or like their voters and afraid a vote for this will be seen as an insult to the 45

trump's upstate new york, also known as seven springs. trump tower in chicago being reviewed. trump national golf course in los angeles. and now, the washington hotel. and what you see on your screen, which may give pause to anyone involved in any deal our marketing, or other government description of these properties, that may have been inaccurate or illegal is just the pieces that have leaked into the public realm. we don't know, that we do not believe that this is all there is. clouds hanging over trump world. the grand jury convened. the prospect of prison time raised for anyone that is looking found the barrel of this legal, criminal probe. prosecutors surging as they examined whether the trump organization cheated and lied about evaluations. defrauded the government or the taxpayers. or could committed any other assortment of criminal conspiracies. to dig into a story that has moved in many directions. we're joined by danya perry, former prosecutor with the fdny. rebecca roiphe, former district attorney for manhattan. and joan walsh, for the journalistic perspective from

donald trump turns 75 next month. he has 55 years of intersections with nefarious people who often times resided in his buildings, who he did business with, up until he was president. and in one of the, you know, still unplowed -- some of the unplowed territory in the trump story is the extent to which everything he did in the white house was financially motivated. and it was disappointing that mueller didn't go down that road enough, but you now have two new yorkers who are. and i think the more they fare it out the financial issues, i think you're going to start to get a lot of things explained. >> everything about donald trump is very jonestown. i wonder what sort of havoc he'll wreak on his now cult once he starts really going down. it's going to be interesting to watch. tim o'brien, thank you so much, really appreciate it. >> thank you, joy. >>> and up next, well, as we prepare to mark the centennial of the tulsa race massacre, the republican freakout over teaching children the true unvarnished history of this co

trump organization, including donald trump. we have been speaking with a number of the witnesses and insiders who are basically the building blocks of this thing, people like trump ceo allen weisselberg's daughter-in-law, jennifer weisselberg. >> allen himself admitted to me that his taxes and pay stubs, he said, i'll never show this. it's supposed to be the guarantor on my apartment, my lease, when i was getting divorced, and he said, oh, no, i can't show my taxes, i can't show my pay stubs. i thought, why not? basically he was saying they're illegal and i'm not releasing them. it was during the cohen sdny investigation. pretty telling. >> this family is going to pretend that it all had to do with allen and that allen was in charge of everything, allen was responsible. and they're all going to flip against allen. >> i think if you take a look at the panel that's here in front of you, ari, you have what i would term to be the trifecta of trouble for trump. if you take a look, you have of course stephanie, who has the melania an

if you support donald trump that's what being a conservative means. trumps brand of extremism isn't his alone it can be seen in other members of the party like marjorie taylor green a representative from georgia elected in november green raise controversy for remarks she made before and during her campaign. there is an islamic invasion into our government offices right now ok and for supporting defunct conspiracy theories about school shootings and harassing a student who survived one you know everything and i know your stuff she was even a believer in human on this we're talking about who is key to someone to tell you what he says according to him many and our government are actively worshipping satan. or they call the law to look at this image it was because of rhetoric and statements like this the republican leaders were pressed to remove crean from committee assignments another test holding a member of their party accountable but they alternately chose not to sing her comments were in the past pushing democrats to make the move themselves. 50. wor

the trump kids. less so, we were told at least by jennifer, less so, questions about, say, giuliani, or jared kushner. so we were sort of getting the outline of at least some of the topics. what do you think of everything we just discussed? her new comments? as well as what investigators are looking at? >> well, i think, we're maybe getting ahead of ourselves. for one thing, there is no such crime as obstruction of justice in the new york state system. there is witness tampering. but based on the facts that we have laid out here, it's not even close to made out. it's possible that allen weisselberg had something to do with evicting her. and then, if you can connect the dots that that's in order to prevent her from communicating information. she is about to be called as a witness. new york laws are not very broad in this area. they are nothing like the federal laws that nick was talking about. so i don't think there's -- i mean, there is a reason to ask questions, sure. i mean, who -- why did that hap

trump's actions proceeded the riot were a disgraceful, disgr disgraceful -- president trump is morally responsible for provoking the event of the day. no question about it. >> well, in his opposition now to an investigation from both mcconnell and mccarthy, it comes as more and more republicans are questioning the very facts, the existence of january 6th. republican like congressman andrew clyde. >> if you did not know the event on january 6th, you would think it is a normal day of tourists. >> on the day of the incident, he was blocking the door of the chambers from what he called "tourist." here is clyde on the far left pressed up against the wall and appeared to be screaming as security guards pulling their guns as he now claims that people could be confused as tourists. this is incredible. did you think not anybody is going to see this video. the fbi releasing new videos and you can see trump supporters attacking police officers and throwing expletives at them. >> capitol police released statements reading, "we, members, expressing the disappointment with the recent comments from b

eric trump was running that project for the trump organization. the trump family historically would take charge of one project, ivanka take charge of another project and when they get close to something they work together. do we know directly if there's any evidence against the trump children, we do not. >> sam, you asked a really interesting question. the fact that he's under investigation compel mr. trump to get back into politics? well, as a sitting president you can't be charged federally. that's policy not law. but there's nothing that would preclude a state from charging a sitting president, at least by policy. now, a sitting president could raise all sorts of constitutional and legal objections to being prosecuted while in office. but that seems like a pretty flimsy read to run on. please vote for me so i don't get charged with a crime in new york state. >> jonathan o'connell, thank you so much for being with us. we really appreciate it. hey, chuck, can i just ask you a general question that we've been talking about here for the past month

trump, trump, trump, but did they take a survey to say they were trump supporters. >> the head in the sand posture that we heard today in the hearing was truly stunning. they were festooned with trump regalia and trump flagpoles they that brought to beat up the capitol police officers and on that note, "the lead with jake tapper" starts now. >>> starts right now, and minutes after republicans boot her from her leadership post for not pushing the big lie, congresswoman liz cheney warning that she is playing the long game, and she is going to do all she can to keep trump out of the white house. >>> vaccines for the

the last time legal heat led a trump confidant to turn, it was michael cohen, leading trump to lash out like a mob boss, publically calling him a, quote, rat. donald trump has lost power. he's under investigation. and in his own words is now worried about rats. trump could learn from 21 savage here who warned about snitches about rats. trump may try to win all of this on his money man weisselberg, but as 21 said, snitches and rats, snitches and rats, when you tell on your brother, your brother can tell back. joining me now for his first reaction since this grand jury news broke, as promised, is michael cohen, a key witness in this case. he is donald trump's lawyer, he is the host of the mea culpa podcast and the author of "disloyal." this is a news worthy time. thank you for coming back on "the beat" to discuss it, michael. >> good to see you. good to hear you rapping again, ari. >> yes, sir. "the washington post" said it. you didn't say it. i didn't say it because you happened to be a very big and knowledgeable guest on our show. "the washington post" in the scoop said it. both these p

president trump did while he was in office. this is a big deal. because as i've said the mueller investigation outlined in detail more than ten instances where president trump committed felony obstruction of justice while he was in the white house. most of these incidents were described through the eyes of don mcgahn, mcgahn asked trump's white house counsel gave multiple interviews over dozens of hours to mueller's prosecutors. those prosecutors determined by the rules of the role that it wasn't their call as to whether or not an indictment should be the end purpose of mcgahn's testimony, whether they should take his testimony about trump's behavior and use it to seek a criminal indictment of donald trump. they said they couldn't make that decision, they couldn't try to bring an indictment against trump, because that was a justice department policy against indicting any sitting president. but they also said explicitly that the same justice department policy also recognizes that a president does not have immunity after he leave

if you're anti-trump you're bad. because liz cheney is anti-trump, you're good and avatar of rule of law and honesty. in politics, when i started about politics in 2005, the cheney family was symbol of what liberals hated, things like guantanamo and executive power theory all of which liz cheney supports. there's an ideological fight over liz cheney represents and donald trump ran against and the newer maga movement of right-wing populism opposed to the bush-cheney policies completely whitewashed by narrative that anyone that opposes trump including liz cheney becomes heroine of american liberalism in the democratic party. howie: there were many, many media liberals who agreed with you during the iraq war, dick chin eye was seen as leading us into the a middle east fiasco, liz cheney worked in the state department during that administration and she continues, she's a separate political person, of course, but she continues rather hawkish foreign views. was there a mass amnesia, anybody who didn't like her, forget abou

the fact is -- trump did this and that. the fact is trump put america first. biden has done nothing like that. we have a border crisis, he has opened the borders, he is taking money, getting it to illegal immigrants. and cheney seems to support everything on the democratic platform, so, yes, i do believe she needs to go. host: what does she support? caller: she has not supported -- well, the biggest thing was she did not support trump during that fiasco, which now looks like a lot of the states are looking at overturning some of those ballots, for my understanding. i just think that the republican party needed to stand united. i am all for securing the borders. i am all for putting americans first. you know, they get -- i heard a caller earlier talk about trump abusing women and all that. what about biden and all the reports about him and young girls? that did not seem to matter. all the personal stuff does not matter. host: let me ask you this, is the only criteria that matters support of president trump? caller: no. all that matters is securing our borders,

it's not donald trump they're going after. it is the trump organization. there is an individual that could potentially allegedly serve some jail time so it doesn't necessarily come down to donald trump. i do -- howie: he's the cfo, just to clarify. >> thank you. in addition to that, i would say, look, there's certainly people that hate donald trump. from where i sit as a democrat, i certainly saw a lot of hatred toward bill clinton, hillary clinton, barack obama. it's wrong either way. you can't just convenes a grand jury because you don't like someone that was a former president. howie: you have the manhattan district attorney, cy vance junior and the state attorney general, latisha james. it's reminiscent of trump versus bob mueller. are the media giving credence to trump arguments that these are partisan new york democrats that are investigateing. >> the media are part of the investigation. they won't do a good job of emotionally distancing themselves to cover it. the grand jury that is investigating the trump organization isn't the same as going after

got trump's taxes. the new york state attorney general joined the criminal case, and prosecutors met with trump's former fixer, michael cohen, at least eight times. i mean, i bet they got everything they needed the first time, and then just kept bringing him back for the zingers. >> i think donald trump is going to flip on all of them what do you think about that including his children so he's going to turn on his accountant, and point the finger he's going to say don jr. handled that ivanka handled that. melania. don't take me, take melania. coming off like a shipwrecked ray romano "trump would say, 'fix this for me i can't. i got a tee time.' "raymond." [ laughter ] you can't write the brad garrett impression in, baze. i also totally believe that trump would throw his family under the bus. you think he named his eldest son after himself for sentimental reasons? he did it so there would be a second donald trump to pin the blame on "he's the one you want that's why he's hiding out in the woods. they onl

obviously he then tangled with trump when trump was in office. how did "the washington post" and bezos' ownership of the post fill in with that. >> it is part of the new book. i think jeff got more than he acquired for in 2013 and in 2015 when he sent the email to jay carney, yes, he wanted to stop donald trump, but i think he sort of felt left out a little bit by trump's critique of other sort of wealthy media figures. and he kind of gets into it with trump. and then the next four years he's kind of subject to this blistering attack on amazon's relationship with the post office and it is perceived of pentagon contracts. so interestingly, and again a theme in the book, his ownership of the post did end up hurting amazon in some really interesting ways. >> and now dez os is looking for a new editor, marty barren retired of a couple of months ago. what do you know about how involved he is or not in search for a new boss. >> this is a process that publisher fred ryan has been running. but last week i understand that bezos was in washington and inter

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host: dust almost trump run in 2024 -- does donald trump run in 2024? guest: i think it does. -- he does. under the constitution, nothing would prevent him from running again and people said that was crazy. it is a possibility. at the moment, he is sitting down, going if i get into this race, i will get the nomination. there is no republican who will beat him. he will clear the field with the possibility of maybe liz cheney. now whether he could be elected as a more difficult question. you have the momentum. on the republican side you have the ego. why not? host: southampton, pennsylvania, john republican side you are on the light with charlie sykes -- line with charlie sykes. caller: put me in the camp that does not want trump as the nominee. i did vote for him twice. i like josh hawley or ron desantis as the favorites. as far as the republican party going forward, we have to make some changes. republicans have to stop -- two african americans and other minorities. we should be treating everybody equally. it wins but no extra votes and alienates the ba

donald trump is involved in the trump organization. it's not a big massive company like the health care company was. prosecutors do impanel grand juries not for fishing expeditions but because they have probable cause. how unlikely to convene this kind of a process for a former president of the united states. do you think the person who should be the most nervous is donald trump or is it one of these other people that paul mention? the son or allen weisselberg? >> i think it's the lower level people. this is six months period and it's a very important period. prosecution with the grand jury system in new york is very different than the federal system. if you put a witness in the grand jury in new york you immunize them. it makes it difficult. you have to work around the edges in a much smarter way. they don't have the same levers of power when using the grand jury system in new york. this isn't surprising at all. he's been doing this for two years. now he's got the tax returns. we have pretty open process about the pressure. this isn't