putin is a macho men. we saw it in the library, when joe biden was sitting in a more, i would say, appropriate manner and vladimir putin was sitting as a macho man. i think for them would be interesting to see who got him first and whether putin now with the press conference and then biden's press conference, whatever they say, how putin has measured up to this low point of the russian and american relations. is it going to get better? how russia will continue to deal with the united states. >> nina, we are looking live at vladimir putin leaving the site of the two discussions that wrapped up a little -- maybe an hour and a half ago or 40 minutes ago, i should say. president putin is making the walk presumably to the site where he will hold his news conference. listening in, because it sounded like reporters were trying to shout questions. that's not something that putin responded to, that we have seen, in those instances when we have seen him live at various points throughout the morning here. he will obv

putin's behavior? even president biden told thus week there's no guarantee that you can make inroads with someone like vladimir putin. >> nancy, thank you. let's bring in john dickerson who, of course, is in many ways our resident presidential historian. and john, we mentioned, of course, this city has played host to three of these u.s.-russia summits in the past when much was at stake. what do you think success looks like for this summit? >> reporter: well, i think success -- i asked condoleezza rice that, the former secretary of state, what success looks like, and although she put out many communiques after meetings like this, she said don't pay attention to the communiques or what's done in the moment, but the thing to look for is whether the private messages conveyed by the u.s. president to vladimir putin are listened to, and you'll see the results of that in six months. so for example, on the ransomware and cyberattack question, if we see them decrease and what president biden is undoubtedly goin

the handshake, biden looked in the eye of putin with a smile and putin looked away. it's about public posturing and notes strength. >> who goes first, who extends their hand first. >> biden did extend. >> we were waiting to see if there would be that handshake. >> there was. >> and it was a significant handshake. it's a good way to start the meeting. let's see what happens over the next four our five or six hours. >> as swiss president guy parmelin said, it's time to do the work. >> and the door is close vrd symbolically and we're left to wonder what's going to go on in those room over the next four to five hours and what role they may have in reshaping or improving somewhat the relationship. >> they both did give a wave to the journalists who were outside, and the journalists, that's their job to ask questions. they were shouting questions. we're not surprised they were not answered. >> exactly. you know one thing that won't happen in the summit that happened when former president trump met putin? is tearing up the notes after the meeting. you had moments like that

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putin will come in with all of that. they have seen that, they know the predicate of what donald trump did, which was to agree with vladimir putin's denials of election interference, cyber hacking, and the like. they have to figure out how to not get bogged down in that. i think there is a chance. i think it is very experienced, an arms control negotiator going back decades from my administrations that her involvement in that prep tells you a lot. there is something they could build on. they have a new agreement, and the fact is they could come out of that with something positive on arms control. there is also an indication that it could be an extended meeting that could go well beyond. there are hints that it could staid over. stay over it could be another night involved. >> even and of course it all depends on what happens. i'm just saying they're preparing for nearly everything and they may be adding some things to the president's agenda in meetings that are taking place today. >> evelyn, let me bring you into the con

was vladimir putin -- vice president. it is not a symmetrical meeting, give us a criminology of who is in the room. >> first of all it is a big meeting, putin usually likes very small meetings. the first time president obama met with hem he demanded just a couple. usually military officers are not there. that signals they want to talk about strategy and it is very important in that kind of a discussion. >> who else is in the room that might signal from the russian side they might want to speak about it. >> i didn't see our special advisor for that, brett mcgurk. he might be, it's also important who is not there. general patrochev is not there. he is the equivalent of the head of the national security counsel. he is not part of the delegation, but the foreign policy advisor in the kremlin is there and he is a much more, not friendly, but a former u.s. ambassador, he deals with the americans. i don't want to overread it, but that is very interesting to me that he is there. >> that is what we used to do on the parades, see w

putin not stop this. what have you achieved today to prevent that from happening again and what are the consequences that are threatened? >> whether i stop it from happening again, he knows i will take action like we did this last time out. what happened was, we in fact made it clear that we were not going to continue to allow this to go on. the end result was we ended up withdrawing -- withdrawing ambassadors. we closed down some of their facilities in the united states, et cetera. he knows there are consequences. now, look, one of the consequences that i know -- i don't know, i shouldn't say this, it's unfair of me. i suspect you may all think doesn't matter. but i'm confident it matters to him and other world leaders of big nations. his credibility worldwide shrinks. let's get this straight. how would it be if the united states were viewed by the rest of the world as interfering with the election directly of other countries? and everybody knew it? what would it be like if we engaged in activities that

you can see president putin now arriving. we knew president putin would arrive first. you can hear reporters trying to shout questions. they will walk in and, of course, we didn't expect him to answer questions. they are shaking hands. as cecelia mentioned, there will be a couple sets of meetings with president biden. the first will be with president putin and president biden and essentially their plus one. secretary blinken with president biden. also, the translators. you remember we covered the summit with former president trump in helsinki. a different picture. president trump and president putin spending a significant time alone in the room with only the translators presen that will notappen in this after the initial meetin there will be a secon meeting with larger groups. as cecelia said, this is extraordinary, they'll meet four to five hours in geneva. they want some deliverables, that's the word bureaucrats use to say they hope to come out of the meeting with a couple areas they do agree. i want to bring in martha raddatz. martha, the central question going into

putin, have caused problems. and one of the big problems that they've caused, of course, is when they invaded ukraine and tried to annex, illegally annexed part of ukraine, crimea. it's clearly going to be an issue. as long as the russians are occupying part of their neighbor, that's going to be very difficult to re-establish any kind of rules of the road, any kind of predictability, any kind of stability that the president has been talking about. so i think ukraine will be a serious topic, and ukrainians of course are watching this very carefully. they were pleased, i will tell you, that president biden did call president zelinsky before meeting president putin later on today. >> i think one of the interesting things that we've seen in the past, this is, you know, if we look at the basically escalating conflict between the u.s. and russia, it's essentially been going on since 2012. in 2014, you had all the events around ukraine, around crimea. so far, as far as sanctions have been concerned, it really seems as t

it's putin's mafia. and it's not russian national interest to confront the united states, but putin confronting america, as for every dictator, it's the ultimate goal because he cannot justify his endless stay in power without creating enemies. and of course now putin is thrilled. look at his picture because its summit is good for him. this is exactly what he needs to show everyone he is a big boss and everything from it, as you mentioned, was about trump. but biden, it's not good for biden but it was good for the united states. it's not about him and to give such a gift to a killer who attacked the u.s., you have to make the case to the american people and biden hasn't even tried to explain why he's meeting putin. and i'm not buying this story about it's, oh, we can look for areas of common interest. there's no common ground with putin because if you talk about, oh, maybe we do deal in afghanistan doesn't mean that putin can offer you something in afghanistan in exchange for him invading more of ukraini

that is putin's point. that's the point putin was trying to make. he is not going to tolerate opposition like navalny, who is fighting corruption in russia, who is speaking out for people's right to associate with whom they would and petition their government and he is equating that with a violent attack on the capitol that resulted in the death of a police officer and other people when there's no comparison. that's putin. that's what he does. i'm glad the president is setting him straight. >> the former president trump, as all of us remember, sided with putin over the u.s. intelligence community during that 2018 summit in helsinki. i couldn't believe what i was hearing at the time. did president biden do anything to reverse the credibility of the u.s. intelligence agencies? >> without a doubt. president biden signalled that essentially he is not going to be the pushover that donald trump was for the last four years. that he will defend american interests, which increases our capacity to defend ourselves, the men and women that work in the intellige

putin has met with him. they know they're dealing with a very different commodity than president trump. they know he's much more predictable, less impulsive. think they also understand there are potentially areas where deals could be made. that said, there are also reservations. while president trump may have come and gone, it's been exposed the u.s. political system is very capricious and can change very quickly. so president trump will want to know, what does it mean to strike a deal with you? how long can that last? can america stay the course for longer than four years. >> it looks like president trump's plane is about to land here in geneva. we're watching closely. he flew in from socci, he'll spend the day and go back to russia afterward. >> that's right. over my shoulders, it seems he's approached. they cleared the airspace. listen, you know, again, to clarissa's point here, when you looked a biden in this moment, he has enormous experience. and another difference in this summit is that it is less a g

we'll start with putin. as i was saying about former secretary rice, her point was success is if he can convey in these private meetings this is what is important to the united states and this is what we know you're up to, he can -- president biden can talk about intelligence and about what the u.s. really knows the russians are up to, and can say if you keep going down this road, here is the retaliation you can expect. again, predictability because in misunderstanding you can have a real -- particularly with cyber, it can go haywire fast. so unfortunately, a lot of that we won't be able to measure in the moment. we might not be able to measure for months. >> part of evaluating the president's performance will be what dr. puoes putin get out of. what does he need or want to do here? >> he's brought it home, being called a worthy adversary by the u.s. president. he wants to say, look, i can meddle in ukraine, i can imprison my political opponents, and i pay no penalty for it. so strength works. now the white

is too soft on putin and russia. not just the biden administration, but the obama administration, where you worked. what are you calling for and what would that look like? >> yeah, thanks. there are several things we need to do. one, we've got to increase the cost for what russia has been doing up until now. whether it's meddling in our elections, hacking into government systems. obviously, you know, the plight of both americans but also russians like alexei navalny, the opposition leader, who currently sits in a russian jail with trumped up charges. so, we have to make clear that we're not just going to slap on a couple of sanctions, toss out a few more spies but we're going to really bring home to vladimir putin the cost of what he has been doing. and indicate there is more to come if he doesn't change his behavior. and i'm concerned that president biden continues to seek a predictsable, stable relationship with russia that putin just doesn't want. >> but what kind of tough things should president biden do? >> i me

that's how putin operates. you see president biden coming out with a potentially strong hand, right, especially coming off of meetings with world leaders where he basically has their support, he's going in with their backs. but if there's anybody who can play a weaker hand, right, isn't it vladimir putin? >> yeah. and i think the other thing is if you look at since this summit was announced, the actions taken by russia have not been the kind of actions that seek to create a warm environment. you had the hijacking of that airliner so belarus operations could be detained. clearly russia's fingerprints probably on that. you had more of these cyberattacks emanating from russian soil. you had interviews where he's been dismissive, as you said, on whether alexei navalny will even leave prison alive and certainly not handing out an olive branch on ukraine. so putin is not necessarily coming to participate in the summit. as a staffer between president obama and president putin, he'll come in loaded for bear on what-abo

putin had only been president for a year and he asked him point blank, do you think vladimir putin is trustworthy and then-senator biden said no. i seriously doubt that that has changed and again, the white house trying to clarify he was not answering in the affirmative. they were simply acknowledging the reporters in the room. >> i just want to break in for just a second and say there's an extraordinary scene, there is a tank right below us on the street just rolling down the street here in the city as the swiss federation president when the first welcome said, a tank. there's a woman -- military in the tank and they've just been patrolling up and down in the street right below us and we're not -- we're in the opposite side of the lake, of course. it's quite remarkable that this city -- >> the level of security. >> you don't often see -- on the lakeside of geneva which is one of the most refined, sophisticated city anywhere in the world to see something like this, i don't think it's ever been seen before. in any case -- we're trying to get you some stills because our cameras. >> we'r

for putin that's huge. right there the two world's nuclear superpowers having the ability to sit down one on one -- >> he really likes the world to know he's a superpower, right? that's the one thing he's got over china. >> exactly. so i'm surprised he didn't emphasize that more in his press conference. he'll be looking to build on this pragmatism to say he has a role in global affairs, that russia is not isolated. despite all the attempts by the united states in the west with the sanctions and other tough rhetoric, the meeting with allies, he can walk home and say, look, russia is not isolated. we have a seat at the table in this arms control and stability talk, and we are someone you'll have to reckon with. >> did you see president biden say putin knows there will be consequences if there are cyberattacks. he doesn't know exactly what they are but he knows there are consequences. do you know if he'll change his mind on that? >> we know he is looking for attacks by the united states. the ground is not fert

if, in fact, putin -- i don't believe putin wants to be on the outside. the worst thing that happened was getting kicked out of the g8. the worst thing is also being seen as ostracized in europe, seen as a dysfunctional force. he has major problems in syria, got a problem with turkey, being sucked into what's happening in libya. he does want this acceptance, as sarah noted, but it's not just a meeting. he didn't get everything out of it. he got the first step of, you can be an illegitimate player and seen around the world as somebody who kills people, ransom attacks, cyber attacks, et cetera. or you can be part of the legitimate world countries and powers that are respected and also part of that system. the president puts real guardrails and told him, and the follow-through is going to be a big piece of this. >> sarah, we'll close out tonight with you. while putin likes to think russia is a big player in the international scene, isn't china a much bigger threat and do you think biden considers this a warmup for negotiations with china's president? >> i ab

in fact putin thrives on chaos. i think that begs the question, is a stable, predictable relationship with russia even remotely realistic as long as vladimir putin is in charge? >> probably not. this will be a good week for u.s. foreign policy and defense policy. to some extent, all president biden has do is show up at the g7 nato, the european union to gather together our allies and then meet mr. putin with a renewed sense of strength from our own allies. remember, the strategic imperative the united states faces is not russia, it's china. so there's some heavy lifting involved. mr. president biden trying to gain european union cooperation when they want economic relationships with china. when it comes to russia, they are an adversarial state, hostile state. they are conducting assassinations, jamming our own elections, conducting cyberattacks against economic targets in the united states. they're not going to change unless mr. biden can say there are li limits to what we'll tolerate. to be blunt, the real question

or chest thump at putin, because putin does not respond to that and he never has. these subtle remarks he's making show that he understands the psychology of vladimir putin. i have to say critics of this meeting have warned that these kinds of concessions that fred just laid out about certain language surrounding alexei navalny, those are not sitting well with some critics of this summit. the sitting u.s. ambassador to russia told senators in a closed-door briefing that he is concerned that the biden administration could make the same mistakes of its pred predecessors if it does not go into this clear-eyed about who putin is, the low possibility of any breakthroughs here and realizing that any concessions the u.s. gives to the russians, they probably will not give us anything substantial in return. >> we know president biden is doing a lot of preparation for this historic summit. phil, the president asked other world leaders for input just ahead of this face to face with putin here in geneva. what message will biden be delivering on their behalf? >> i think the goa

putin a man mr. biden once described as not having a soul and now calls him a worthy adversary. >> this will be the first meeting when the two men since mr. biden became president. they are starkly different missions with president biden trying to restore america's diplomatic credibility, as president putin works to undermine it. let's return live to geneva and cnn's wolf blitzer. hi, wolf. >> hi, guys, thanks very much. final preparations clearly under way right now for the start of this historic summit. president biden he is already here, spent the night here fresh off two largely successful summits with g7 and nato allies. president putin as you say set to land in about an hour or so in geneva. the stakes at this summit are extremely high, relations between the united states and russia right now at their lowest point in years. vital american interests clearly on the table including cyber defense, even for that matter democracy itself. that according to president biden. joining us once again in gen

meeting is vladimir putin. this is the point where and he's also elevating for beyond what he needs to be. it's an economy as large as it has been for ours. russia's economy is smaller than canada's, so why is joe biden going to meet with automate code and on neutral ground to elevate his in stature once again? it was uncalled for and i think the summit has been bad for america. >> to be clear with our viewers it was awaiting of the sanctions that were on the ceo of the boulder that allowed the continuation of the building of that pipeline that have been just a short time ago. going back to president biden's initial remarks there, as he was about to board air force one, he said, after all of this and the many meetings he had with world leaders over the past several days, would put a different face on what we have been, where we have been and where we are going he said. he said e.u. leaders are glad that america is back and he said he received many thanks from world leaders while on the ground there and thanks t

and putin is fully expecting that. i think the biden administration want to have this meeting so to kind of park in place u.s.-russia relations. they have other things they're focuseded on, especially on the domestic agenda. also china. and they just don't want any more crazies with russia and the hope is by meeting with putt yun putin, they're not going to settle old disagreements but maybe they'll avoid new disagreements in the future. >> all right. let's watch the images. the there is a still photo just in hot of the presses with the two face-to-face. that is the moment the world is waiting for. you've been in moscow for several weeks now. what's the feeling on the russian street and he what does putin have to accomplish for domestic consumption? >> quite a question. the russian media over the past few days has been presenting this as a victory for vladimir putin, being seen, being invited to a meeting by president biden like this is a positive for the kremlin. just to add color, you were mentioning about what looks

clearly putin ais as well. whether they're able to after kmooef the greater stability, we don't know. but there's an intent there. >> it's all business today for these two leaders, clarissa. they're having smaller meetings, bigger meetings, but not having dinner together or anything along those lines. it's strictly business, and that's deliberate. >> it's very deliberate. both sides are going out of their way, primarily for their domestic audiences to emphasize, we're not friends, this isn't a reset, no one is going to hug it out here. that's not what this is about. this isn't about trying to change the fundamental characterization of the relationship which is an additional one. what this is about is preventing the train from coming off the tracks, pulling up the hand brake, if you will. president putin has big parliamentary elections coming up, last talk of sanctions targeting sovereign debt. he has reasons as well for not wanting this to deteriorate further. he would also like to see some stability and predic

with president putin. terry moran, we were in he helsinki. you were in the room for that joint press conference. we won't be seeing that. essential the former president said he believed president putin over his on intelligence agency. >> reporter: it was an excruciating moment for the u.s., others squirming in their seats as president trump basically betrayed -- he didn't betray. sold out the u.s. intelligence community. he said he believed president putin who has a history of lying on these issues and it was difficult. one of president trump's own top aides on russia said she thought about faking a medical emergency in order to stop the thing. that's how difficult that moment was. it wasn't just the substance. president trump is an alpha male with everyone. he tossed around the president of lithuania at a summit. he was very, very mild to president putin in that. president putin has played most of the american presidents he's met like a fiddle. one thing to remember, he's a supreme opportunist. he's a tra

that, of course, is what vladimir putin wants. and i think the challenge for president biden, as he goes home, he had his engagement play. he did that today. he made small steps toward that. now his homework back home is to have a more robust, deterrent strategy or containment strategy for stopping and resisting those belligerent things that putin has been doing for the last several years. >> ben rhodes, word of the day, perhaps, is consequences. i think that's the word that most people have been using in terms of what the united states should be prepared to do to deliver what ambassador mcfaul was highlighting, a litany of violations committed by russia. what were your sxeks for this meeting? do we have a clearer sense whether or not the united states, after today, is prepared to exact consequences for the aggressions as ambassador mcfaul described them, being committed by russia? >> i think it wept as i expected, too. for putin, the achievement is the meeting itself, on equal par with the president in this third country, geneva.

boyden and putin talked about this meeting positively but biden said he's not confident putin will change his behavior. what was your takeaway? >> i think none of us should expect president putin to change his behavior. he's modeled himself as an adversely to the west and that won't change. the me terrific expectation that we were given by people who watch and follow the creme lip closely ahead of the summit was they were hoping for a relationship that was respectful but hostile. no one is talking about adjusting fundamental behaviors but what they sang from the same hymn sheet is the element of predictability in the relationship with the hopes that a further degradation of relations can be prevented and given some of the areas that they outlined there talking about syria, humanitarian corridor, iran nuclear negotiations, afghanistan, a potential prisoner swap die hog, cyber security dialogue, it does appear that possibly, if both sides are committed to it, there could be room for an improvement in the relationship, but i don't think either side is expecting anyone to dramatically change

vladimir putin is a human rights. vladimir putin is a human rights violators. he has been killing people, killing opposition, killing people, killing opposition, killing minorities, doing all sorts of things for his own purposes whenever it suits him. the only thing that he respects its consequences, and in the west, we have the ability to impose consequences. in fact, i have the ability to impose consequences. infact, i my last decade advocating for legislation named after my moderate lawyer —— my moderate lawyer, which imposes sanctions. if we were to really be serious about going after putin for the human rights abuses, we would go after people who hold his money for him. if we sanction them, every freezer assets, that would make putin set up and pay attention. these words mean nothing, but actions, specific actions against its own interest, but have a big impact. its own interest, but have a big im act. , �* impact. so, when president biden sa s that impact. so, when president biden says that navalny's _ impact. so, when president biden says that nava

, he agrees with putin when putin says no, i didn't interfere with the election. they put their heads in the sand and now you have biden coming in who is going to clearly confront putin. right? president biden at one point, when he was vice president, even told putin that he looks into his eyes and doesn't see a soul, which is the exact opposite of what george w. bush said to putin during their first meeting, decades ago. but look, i mean, clearly biden is going to have a way tougher stance on putin than the republican president trump ever did and republicans, this is pure hypocrisy, if they're trying to suggest otherwise. >> we will see, the test is on biden to deliver and to prove he can get something productive, even out of a static, you know, relationship. but what we just heard from the republican leader is, fantasiland. >>> donald trump's desperate attempts to get the justice department to embrace outlandish 2020 election fraud claims. we w. building an experience that lets you shop over 17,000 cars from home. creating a coast to coast network to deliver you

biden said he told putin that. it was very clear from listening to putin that the conversation was frank and direct and that biden did not want to be seen as naive or taking in everything that putin said at face value. they understand each other. they dealt with each other that way. >> he's got a huge domestic agenda he's going to be working on as soon as he gets back to washington in a few hours. do you think this trip is going to help him, the outcome of this trip? >> certainly gives him some confidence, i think. this is his preferred venue being on the foreign stage, talking to world leaders at nate oh, other places. it's much easier than dealing with republicans in congress and he's seen that during the first several months of this term, but, look, i'm not sure that this helps him that much with his infrastructure plan or, you know, the immigration issue or police reform because the reality is things are pretty dug in in washington, and he's not been given much of a chance by the opposition party. that's just h

putin noticed that. putin esaid this is a very different president. >> very different in tone, but also in terms of the ability to get things done. when he was asked that question about how come it was only 3 1/2 hours, and he was, like, because we sat down at the table, we were professional, pragmatic, and we got it done. we went through humanitarian corridors, to syria, iran, nuclear, arctic remains an area of cooperation, we went through it all in two hours, three hours, rather, because he's a seasoned professional. he knows how to do this. it seemed like he was stepping into his own here, and owning the moment, taking control of the situation. >> i thought it was significant, jim, that president biden, he underscored areas of agreement with the russian leader. syria, for example, iran nukes, for example, arctic, military activity in the arctic, afghanistan. he had some specific areas where the two sides seemed to be pretty much on the same page. >> the iran nuclear deal is no small thing. it's an eno

the law exists for putin to consolidate power. the courts exist for putin to consolidate power. the jail exists for putin's opponents. right? that is how the law sort of functions in putin's imagination. now, as for whetherhese cyb entities are actual governmen agencies or not, russia practices a system of deniability, and this is far beyond cyber crime. the russian government, in some significant ways, is a sort of syndicate with a lot of freelancers. i think when we learn more about political murders in russia, we will find out that there is a lot of freelance activity going on there, as well. right? certainly, that is how russia has, on rare occasions, that ople who have actually killed politicians, such as a parliament member who was killed in 1998, an opposition politician shot to death in front of the criminal in 2015 mann the rare occasions tt someone has actually been prosecuted, it has always been a freelancer, the gunman, who will not disclose whohe original you ow, the person who made the original order, assassination order. so we're basically talking about a state th

it's good for putin. but the real substance of what i think was one of the most fascinating summits that i've seen, because it deals with the future. the cyber aspect is really important. and very new and undefined. that that's where you had some fascinating discussions i'm sure. >> and can i just button up what jill was saying about score one for putin at home domestically because who you didn't see in that press pool was the only independent news network, tdram, they were banned. why? because they covered the rallies earlier this year. >> good point. >> okay, bianna golodryga and jill dougherty, thank you both. >>> new details from a bipartisan infrastructure meeting today that happened today. one leader says, quote, there's a lot of details that need filled in. we're live on capitol hill. roo. ♪ dad, why didn't you answer your phone? your mother loved this park. ♪ she did. big businesses like major league baseball trust t-mobile. because the business of baseball reaches across america, just like t-

putin is a bad actor and everybody knows this. the president has been clear, he does not expect breakthroughs but what wants a professional relationship where adults can talk about important things. whether it's on cyber or political rights or on ukraine, and perhaps he will be more muted at the press conference, and president biden has to make his case here of why he believes even though you don't expect any change in putin's behavior that it was important to sit down eyeball to eyeball. and putin is saying talking about pragmatism, and professionalism and experience, it shows he respect president biden and respect his u.s. partner in this relationship, and we'll see where it goes from here. >> you are absolutely right. dana, he did say that president biden was very balanced and professional. he was experienced. he described the talks, dana, as substantive, and there are specific results that -- they are achieving specific results and will continue this dialogue. what did you think, dana? >> i agree. first of all, i also thought

than putin. and the personal rains are very long-lived even the out on - - the autocratic regimes last about 15 years. but the h change that comes about is whene a leader dies that is what we had seen in azerbaijan. that has been a very difficult transition that putin will stay in power for a long period of time with this nasty equilibrium slow growth and popular leader with no alternative with the version and russia that was better able to satisfy the needs of the majority because the way that change might come about as russia's economy but this makes it more difficult for an autocratic leader with the first ten yearsrs in power with that into - - that inner circle that also the average russian because living standards level than the first decade in office. in the last four years putin really started to make hard choices what is the next ruble go? does it go to the inner circle who are importuned for his rule or to try to build a broader base economic growth? economic changes one source of polit

preparing for putin. what both sides have planned for president biden's high-stakes meeting with the russian president. >>> and new president, same play. mitch mcconnell threatens to block another supreme court seat if republicans win back the senate. >>> today the u.s. expected to hit 600,000 deaths from coronavirus as concern grows over a fast-spreading variant. >>> and the computer glitch overnight that grounded flights and triggered delays nationwide. ♪ >>> good morning to our viewers here in the united states and around the world, it's tuesday, june 15th. on the eve of this historic summit with vladimir putin, president biden stands on the world stage this morning with america's closest eu allies. he started out this morning by meeting with the president and prime minister of belgium. this gathering with eu nations follows nato talks and for the first time china is a big focus. the 30 nato members singling out beijing's rising military power as a top challenge. >>> later today, the president travel

and appeared accept his denial. >> i have president putin. he just said it is not russia. i will say this. i don't see any reason why it woulded be. >> president biden met with putin before and called russia a threat to democracy and even a killer. putin's response, it takes one to know one. >> it is not the early cold war. we are not going to war with each other tomorrow, but there is this element to the tension today where putin thinks we are coming after him, and quite frankly our democracy has been threatened by putin's behavior. >> reporter: this week's meeting follows an election where russia tried to interfere and that the russian government is tasidly permitting cyberattacks on businesses carried out by russian hackers. white house officials say among many topics of discussion for wednesday's meeting is to sort out rules of the road for future cyberattacks. >>> closer to home now, newly released e-mails detail former president trump's efforts to have the justice department investigate his false allegations of election fraud. the house

but how much president putin tries to use machismo. and at that particular time, it was literally saying to president bush, i have a bigger dog than you have. my dog is bigger than yours. trying to send signals in that way. that was so symbolic. and i'll be so curious to see how much president putin tries to play that role and to use that card with this particular summit. >> yeah, the dynamic between them at least in the first seated photo spray was one that was, not confrontational, they weren't palling around in that room at the start of these talks and we should state they have a lot of very serious things to discuss. dana bash, thanks very much. please stay with us. i want to return to jeff zeleny who is also live in geneva with me here. jeff, i understand you have some news about the progress of the talks so far this morning. >> well, jim, we have a bit of news. we're going to see, as the day goes on, the spinning of narratives from both sides. the kremlin and the white house. about what body language means, what different comment

putin has kind of skirted answering that question. but in the past he has definitely said no i do not. >> and simmons wall street journal, moscow bird chief it has been a full 24 hour a day for you already, at minimum. thank you for staying up with a so late. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you so much. >> we've got more ahead tonight, stay with us. stay with us among my patients i often see them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. oh, i had never seen a picture of her until i got on ancestry. it was like touching the past. my great aunt signed up to serve in the union army as a field nurse. my great grandmother started a legacy of education in my family. didn't know she ran for state office. ended up opening her own restaurant in san francisco. paralee wharton elder, lupe gonzalez, mary sa

was it biden, or was it putin? so, what is the reaction in russia in particular, and for putin domestically, was it successful? >> domestically, yes, i believe it was successful in that it's being projected as a successful summit, and actually, the russian state media propaganda machine is also kind of -- they're not kind of pressing that putin, won, of course putin was wonderful, but the message is that this was a success, a glimmer of hope, so both sides actually, biden and putin are projecting success. the problem, of course, is that there was no real success practically, no real progress, or nothing was achieved. yes, there will be working groups in cybersecurity and nuclear arms, which will be trying to work up agreements, and that would take years, at best, even if they any time appear just simply to resolve the problem of the diplomatic missions that are right now handicapped by the tit for tat expulsions. and not issuing visas even, that's a big problem. again, there's going to be another working group betw

vintage putin. a lot of word salad. a lot of what about ism when you are asked about something you're done wrong you come back with, well, what about you? something that the russians have been doing well over 100 years and no plans to stop now. >> claire, trigger warning, a favorite guy was a guest on hannity tonight. we'll discuss on the other side. >> we didn't get anything. we gave a big stage to russia. a good day to discuss. i got along really well with him. nobody was tougher on russia. we had a -- you know, a great shot at an unbelievable relationship with russia. >> so, claire, we are going to overlook the national humiliation we all the watched in helsinki and go to the question of how you think president biden did today. >> it was no helsinki. americans i think who are paying attention are relieved tonight that we have a president on the world stage both at the g7 and in today's meetings with putin that firmly put the foot down on behalf of them. not on behalf of putin. i thought it was managed very well. as y

and i think for putin it's personal. if we believe bellingcat the investigative unit, if we believe western intelligence they are convinced that putin authorized this operation to poison navalny with novichok, an absolutely lethal toxic agent also used in salisbury in 2018. navalny survived, recuperated in germany, flew back to moscow in an incredibly brave act and of course then he was swiftly arrested. my fear is that the more joe biden presses this the less productive it will be because if the international community is invested in navalny's release for putin that is a kind of -- that's an affront. i'm pretty certain that navalny will stay behind bars regardless of what joe biden says today. >> thank you very much for that. luke harding there for us in london. thank you for at that taking the time this morning to speak us. >>> rosemary, as you can see there's so many difficult topics on the agenda. there may be some where there might be mutual or shared interest where the two leaders believe they could not necessarily

so, i worked with president putin - well? so, i worked with president putin over . well? so, i worked with i president putin over many well? so, i worked with - president putin over many years my previous capacity as minister as norway. i know that of course russia is responsible for aggressive actions. we have seen how they poison people trying to oppose their regime in moscow, how they crackdown on democratic protests. and how there is a response of aggressive actions on nato territory as is the alexander's scrabble case. the author agreements under russia with president putin and therefore the decision to extend the new nuclear arms agreement, control agreement, and i know it from my own experiences, areas of the barents sea and energy agreements, it is possible to sit and talk with president putin and with russia. we both realise the aggressive actions... . , . ., actions... . deterrence and dialogue — actions... . deterrence and dialogue is— actions... . deterrence and dialogue is the _ actions... . deterrence and dialogue is the phrase - actions... . deterrence

and then to bring down the regime not based on putin not to personalize relationship that is what putin is really good at. and berlusconi in italy but it is beyond putin to recognize there are many voices in the kremlin different methods and what putin wants to hear group in russian society that like to see a better relation and the more predictable relationship. and those types of messages should be a part of the package of howso we approach russia. >> not concrete policy proposals of how to handle the russian trade policy. so can you tell me more about your theory of change including russia and why would it change? >> one view is putin's years in power are par for the course of the region like kazakhstan and lukashenko has been in powers researchers that outside of the former sovietie space that's on the edge of 15 years. is when a leader dies and what we have seen by azerbaijan. but that is a difficult transition. so also have to to stay in power for a long period of time but there was a loss of equilibrium a sort of popular leader with no alternatives with a version of russia that s

it seems like president biden is trying to give putin this respect that putin wants. by suggesting in the press conference that he is the president of russia and he has the power and authority to control his weapons and the cyber infrastructure, he is trying to give something to putin so that putin will give him the predict ability and saying there will be no more attacks. >> biden was trying to cast a new level of respect. obama made the mistake of once referring to russia as a regional power. this was seen as a diplomatic mistake. this only made vladimir putin want to prove his own power more. donald trump went in the opposite direction and flattered putin. it was almost bizarre. what joe biden said in the early part of his press conference is that these two nations have a unique responsibility because they have the largest nuclear arsenals. even china only has hundreds. it is a totally different level. as proud nations, is -- it is their responsibility to deal with that. that will be a very carefully judged message. i am showing you respect. almost the whole event

against putin. it's good to have you back in the club, which is what you see, it's the swamp. it's the european swamp with the bureaucrats from europe and coastal elites all rejoining, not having to deal with someone like a president trump who is so unique and stood for our military, increased military spending, actually imposed sanctions on putin, actually expelled russian agents who were in -- and diplomats in this country because of the spying and the issues with cyber security. i mean, president trump took a strong stand in spite of the phony russia collusion issue you've always pointed out so rightly on your show. maria: yeah. i laughed earlier, said i don't think russia collusion will come up in this meeting, now that the fraudsters have been found out on that one. congresswoman, you make a really important point in terms of spending on defense. it's a point that i've been making for several weeks now, the fact that we are looking at a decline in he defense spending even as the threats around

does this set putin apart? >> so i do mention putin's experience in the lenin grad city government and charges he was in charge of a food import program in which money came -- money went out of the country and food never really came into the country and there were a lot of allegations that putin was deeply involved in this. another book cover this topics in better detail than i can, and that is really not what this book is about, and it's also not unique for leaders to rely on all kinds of agents at their disposal. now, whether or not that colors his economic policy or his foreign policies, that is the kind of analysis i don't want to do in a book like this because it would require an awful lot of speculation and an awful lot of relying on sources i think would likely be pretty dubious. >> second question: -- >> by the way if anybody wants to jump in on these points and we have a tremendous amount of expertise here so be more than happy to hear from the panelists as well. >> in the meantime the second question,

putin was all business. he was trying to navigate and negotiate something with the italian prime minister, and he just got right to it. >> the former kgb agent, of course, showing that experience, perhaps. before we go, for a domestic u.s. audience, tell us the significance of biden's approach to russia and putin versus trump's far more deferential approach, frankly, to putin and to russia. fiona hill's comments during the helsinki summit that she contemplated faking a medical episode because that press conference was such a disaster, just remarkable to hear from the woman who was senior adviser to trump on russia. how important is that difference between biden's approach and trump's approach? >> this is a very important issue. i'm so glad you asked it, jim. fundamentally what biden understands is that the world is stable because the united states and its allies have put in place a series of institutions, rules, norms, procedures that kind of regulate, regularize, stabilize. that's why we've had enormous cha

are there going to be concessions you want putin to make? you've met vladimir putin before. what have you learned about him that informs how you approach this hit-down with him, and what's your mindset walking into a meeting with a former kgb agent who you've said has no soul? >> i'll tell you that when it's over. look, i've been doing this a long time. the last thing anyone would do is negotiate in front of the world press as to how he's going to approach a critical meeting with another adversary and/or someone who could be an adversary. it's the last thing i'm going to do. but i will tell you this. i'm going to make clear to president putin that there are areas where we can cooperate if he chooses, and if he chooses not to cooperate and acts in a way that he has in the past relative to cybersecurity and some other activities, then we will respond in kind. there need not be. we should decide where it's in our mutual interest and the interest of the world to cooperate and see if we can do that. and the areas where we don't agree, make it clear what the red lines are. i have