susan castellanos: ¡oh!, pues, yo pienso que, definitivamente, ahorita, para todas las familias, la situación es muy crítica, especialmente, porque muchos lugares están siendo cerrados, entonces, la cantidad de, de personas desempleadas, es altísima, entonces, debido a eso, es por eso que nosotros estamos haciéndole la invitación, yo, como, como ciudadana, que he sido ayudada, o he acudido a second harvest para la ayuda de la comida; de la misma manera, nosotros, o yo misma, como mi experiencia, invito a otras personas para que no les dé pena, es, no es, este, no les debe de dar pena, no, porque es una situación en la que cualquier persona puede estar, y además no vas a dejar a tu hijo sin un plato de comida, en la mesa; eh, los niños no saben, no saben si, si papá o mamá, o abuelita o abuelito, quien esté al cuidado de ellos, o quien sea su tutor, eh, son, o tienen las posibilidades para, para darles un plato de comida, y entonces, qué mejor, que second harvest para ir con ellos; ellos no les

susan: interracial marriage? karen: yes. susan: what about the legal side of the case? what happened? peter: this is one of the great experiences you never anticipate. back in 1981, i decided to write a book about these cases, an academic book, really. you have a copy of it, it is called "justice of war." in the research for the book, i learned about these cases in law school in my constitutional law class. we read them. everybody agreed these were terrible cases, terrible decisions. my question was how could this happen, with all these liberal justices to make such a terrible mistake? i started researching it. i came up with documents. in the government's own file, it showed that during the prosecution of these cases, before the supreme court, lawyers had warned charles fahey that the evidence he was playing -- planning to present, that there was evidence of espionage, that it was absolutely false. the fbi had found no evidence to support it. they had all agreed there was no evidence to support this. he demanded, he said it is highly unfair to this racial minority that

susan: how much family lore was passed down? annette, nothing except on my mother's side, my great grandmother's mother was born in slavery and was freed as a small child by her father who was her owner -- or an slaver, however you want to cast that. i don't hear many more stories about that other than -- the next generation that i hear about, migrate grandfather whom i knew. my great-grandmother lived until i was 11. young people miss so many opportunities. i would have loved to have talked to her. when you are a kid, you are thinking about yourself and your interests. my great grandfather had a cotton farm and he would go to galveston to work on the docks on the off-season and would hire people to work with my great-grandmother and her daughters, because their sons had died, and he made enough money to pay these people, he had enough left over, it was profitable for him to do this. during this book black men working on the wharf was a big deal. they had a union. it was a progressive place. i would love to know more about that

susan: mr. gideon had that notion because of the sixth amendment to the constitution, which says in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. paul clement, he also turned to the 14th amendment, because he was really quite a student of the constitution, which says, no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the unites states, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. so why did that entitle him to a lawyer? mr. clement: that, again, is the question that the supreme court would eventually decide, but i think that mr. gideon was actually quite right to focus on the due process clause in addition to the sixth amendment. because one problem that he had is that the sixth amendment by its terms applies only

susan: your reaction, both of you? >> i will say it is very predictable, listening to various different types of richard nixon. but if you listen to tapes from lyndon johnson and some of the language in his comments about things that were going on, and probably other presidents have felt the same way, every time they lose a decision in the supreme court, i don't know whether they use the same language, but i suspect that you would hear if there were more tapes, similar language from other presidents who are disappointed, you've covered some very interesting, and are covering some very interesting cases in this series, and presidents don't like to lose anything, particularly in the supreme court, when they pretty much no that is the end of the line. mr. abrams: i would just add a reference to justice stewart and justice white, it is quite right that they were the deciding vote. we had four votes when we came in and the question was always would we get two more. it was justice stewart's opinion which is generally viewed

susan. >> susan: i'm glad he does the company so i can be serious. [laughter] >> greg: that wasn't even a personal email. can you imagine what she does on her personal emails. it's pretty scary. have you seen this? has stuart varney ever sent emails like this? >> susan: he just yells at me in person. in a corporate world, wouldn't you be fired? it's like tom cruise screaming at the crew. it's not acceptable. in a bank or international business. she can't be competent. your point, how did this happen? this is a great city. it's a great city and people writing it off. but we've got more stuff still ahead. they are resorting to doing less reporting. why crime is up and real journalism is down. that's next. tually ibs-c giving her grief. so she talked to her doctor because she wanted more relief. that's when she said yess to adding linzess. linzess is not a laxative. it helps you have more frequent and complete bowel movements. and is proven to help relieve overall abdominal symptoms-belly pain, discomfort, and bloating. do not give linzess to children l

susan: me-- mainland. stuart: still, i'm saying with gas that we just found out what president biden is going to do on yes raising a gas tax or no not raising the gas tax. susan: probably know because the gas tax increase was a part of a early package that called for maybe $600 billion in new spending on roads and public transit, but the white house seems pretty reluctant to include it in the infrastructure bill because he wants to keep his promise remember not wanting to raise taxes on anyone making $400,000 and less so if he raises the gas tax, you know you didn't go through on your platform promises and every penny that increases on oil prices is a billion dollars last in u.s. consumer spending. when you have a recovering economy you probably want to keep the spigot on. stuart: and it hits for people far worse than anyone else because it's a consumption tax. susan: gop and democrats really don't want to touch it and it hasn't budged since 1993. stuart: cheap gas is a must in america and don't mess with

now, our next bride is susan shelby magoffin. she was the granddaughter of the first governor of kentucky, isaac shelby. she was born to wealth and privilege. at 18 she american kentucky trader samuel magoffin. samuel took his bride, susan, on a honeymoon to new york, but while he was there, he purchased merchandise for his next trading expedition, therefore, giving susan, if you will, an extended honeymoon on the santa fe trail. for the previous two decades, samuel and his brother james had engaged in trade on the santa fe trail and they had a lucrative business and they were very well-connected. they arrived in independence where susan started her journal and indicated that these were going to be her travels in next commencing on june 1846. on friday the 12th, she said that may journal tells a story tonight, rather different from what it has ever been before. the curtain raises now with a new scene. this book of travel is act 2. literally and truly. while they were there in independence, samuel purchased cargo for the trade exp

i guess this was susan macopin. i believe joy you said she did daily entries of sounded like what what were some of those daily entries like i mean, were they maybe mundane details or or were there quite a few maybe adventures like like the one that rebecca meyer had with being surrounded by a buffalo herd and and i'm sure you know indian encounters on the on the frontier where worth noting in diary entries as well. can you give an idea of some of those entries? i would say that. susan's account is probably one of the most well-known diaries of the santa fe trail trade and is often times referred to for the types of things that she observed as they were traveling across the trail there. she's very descriptive on a daily basis about the different things that are going on around her and making different observations and to some extent her writing is very poetic in nature as well. the first the beginning pages have her diary. i think the first 10 to 15 pages are all filled with poetry. so, you know, she was very well e

susan: yeah. so osaka, the number two ranked player at the french open, highest paid female athlete on the planet, she won four grand slams. some say is forcing the issue in a good way. she is prioritizing her mental health above trophies which in many ways you have to applaud. ashley: you do. do what is best for you. susan: correct, you do you. ashley: yep. after more than a year of learning from home in isolation kids and parents are ready to get back to normal. education expert naomi schaefer riley will be here next with how parents can use this summer to get their kids back on track. >>> plus, yep, it is the wokest waterfront in the country. we'll take you to the new 700 million-dollar park designed to, quote, fight existing systemic racism in seattle after this. ♪. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. now no fruit is forbidden. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection

susan: what is your next book project? annette: i'm doing the next annette: i'm doing the next volume of the hemmings family story. susan: when one goes to monticello, how do you feel about the recalibration of thomas jefferson's history based on your scholarship? annette: i like it. i think they have done a very good job stop all of these things were done before i got on the board but i think they are doing a very good job. it is a place for people to come and learn about thomas jefferson but also about the united states and the history of the united states. we learn valuable lessons in a place that people might write off. we can go there and we can discover who we really are as a people. susan: annette gordon's latest book reads on juneteenth. thank you for spending an hour with us. annette: thank you for inviting me. ♪ >> all q&a programs are available on our website or as a podcast on c-span.org. >> book tv on c-span two has top nonfiction books and authors every weekend. tonight, at 10:00 eastern, on afterwards, bre

susan: soft recall. model three, model y, i call it a soft recall because the issue can be fixed with a software update meaning you don't really have to take your car back to the shop for actual repairs so there is no delay there, but the software repair fixing concerning problems. in some cases it could mistakingly switch on or off the active cruise control features in those cars meaning sharp turns could get dangerous. stuart: if you can correct the problem on remote almost, you can just plug it into a computer and it will fix it for you. susan: you have the stock closer to $700 now with really a rally the past week because we are heading into earnings and we had pretty good delivery numbers. stuart: 675 tesla this morning. nvidia our favorite stock. susan: our favor, i like that. stuart: as i'm reading this, they have support for their $40 billion takeover of arm. susan: arm holdings in the uk. ipad, iphone. stuart: which of the other big chipmakers are backing this? susan: you can get support from co

so susan soloman, see you on the picket line and i wish everyone a happy susan soloman day tomorrow. thank you, president walton. >> president walton: thank you, supervisor preston. supervisor mar. >> supervisor mar: thank you, president walton. i'd like to add and express my deep appreciation to susan for her decades of truly courageous and compassionate leadership and activism with uesf. i had the great pleasure and honor of working closely with susan for many years when i was the director at jaws of justice. susan always brought a big strategic vision and practical organizing and coalition building ideas to our discussions and work and just as importantly, susan always treated others with utmost respect and demonstrated a real commitment to listening to other perspectives in shared goals especially around very con 10 unambiguous issues and discussions. so thank you, susan, just for all that you've contributed to the labor movement in our city along with your life partner fred and, you guys leave an incredible legacy in our city. thank you so much and best wishes as you move into y

susan: here's an example using those two phrases. they have made their way into the broader american lexicon. "admit that in many places and in ordinary times that the defendant is saying all that was said in the circular would have been within their constitutional rights. the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and possibly causing a panic. the question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger." what is significant about that? beverly: i think the claim in that fourth point, which is that war is different than peace, and one of the interesting things that happens with the espionage act, and partly due to some of holmes' own thinking, partly due to other people, really articulating a kind of recognizable civil liberties, for the first time this is what really -- when these phrases first really entered the national lexicon. in the end it is concluded many of these wartime law

. >> we're joined next five susan crabtree which is white house national political correspondent for real clear politics. good morning susan . >> good morning bill. >> host: it's been a busy time for the president overseas, returning midweek but a busy week domestically at least certainly on the things that he's interested re in. the infrastructure proposals in congress and the vote, the preliminary vote on the senate on voting rights. tell us about his week ahead. >> guest: it's back to basics at the white house. the more basic, less glamorous job of legislation. when lawmakers left town there was significant progress being made on bipartisan progress being made on three different things. infrastructure as you mentioned, voting rights and the police reform bill. we have a meeting today with the white house, president biden meeting rswith financial regulators. we don't know too much other than it will focus on regulatory priorities including financial risk and agency action. then on wednesday there's an interesting meeting that's the president will be doing on crime prevention. there

what are they saying, susan? reporter: they are saying that big institutional investors like hedge funds and retire the funds aren't that interested in buying the bitcoin dip and that's why we're still trading below $40,000 a coin and this is despite the fact that you have a 35% discount now in bitcoin prices, so jpm says they continue to see investors taking money out of bitcoin funds, and where is the money going? it's going into gold. the traditional type of hedge and that's why jpm says medium term what they see for fair value for bitcoin is roughly around 24,000 to 36,000, and they're noting the failure to break above 60,000 for bitcoin was kind of a resistant signal so a bearish indicator for where prices are going and jpm says we're not at oversold levels meaning investors aren't starting to bargain dip just yet on bitcoin. stuart: just yet. reporter: just yet. stuart: that implies they will. we shall see. reporter: it'll be interesting. stuart: it sure would. coinbase may open up to dogecoin through somet

susan hennessey, senior fellow at the brookings institution focused on national security. interesting. here is some of her tweets. your tax dollars are about to pay her right here. she says that's not the narrative that i see, highly sensitive info, that's not what happened. no, that is what happened. here's another tweet from ms. hannity c. bottom line here, the origins of the russia investigation happened to be exactly helpful officials have been saying it all along and misconduct by lower level employees but it didn't implicate the investigation. someone should tell the pfizer court that it actually ruled that was significant misconduct, maybe she would like to know before she enters the d.o.j. here's a third tweet attacking who knows, the one guy who got it right. his lack of knowledge is outright alarming for being chair. he was the one guy who got right. susan hennessey didn't only support the collision hoax and promoted, attached for christopher steel's credibility even though his foreign affiliates over there, friends of christopher steel, that's kind of strange. h

susan walking in, too. and at the end of the hallway, waiting for susan -- rodney with a thank you. >> hey, how you doing? >> and with us tonight -- >> hi, david. >> susan and her husband lance. >> lance seems to be feeling great. >> i am feeling great. never felt better. >> hi, david. >> tia and rodney, too. >> recovery has had its ups and downs but it's headed in the right direction. >> tonight, two wives, two mothers, two coworkers and their message. >> take time to do the most simple of things, which is just, reach out to ehothe >> they could be someone else's hope and all it takes is just a conversation. >> powerful bond. i hope to see you right back here tomorrow. and >>> building a better bay area. moving forward. finding solutions. this is abc7 news. >>> it is emotionally draining working a case like this. now that we are able to make an arrest on this case is extremely gratifying. >>> the san jose woman wanted for the death of her son is now in custody this afternoon. police released new details in

i don't know susan. i never met her. she worked at the brookings institution while promoting the collusion hoax. here it is, right there. susan hennesey, senior fellow, focused on national security. that's interesting. here is some of susan's tweets. your tax dollars are about to pay her right here. she says, quote, let's stop the narrative that highly sensitive tracks. that's not what happened. that is what happened. here's another tweet from her. the bottom line is the origins and conduct of the russiaa investigation happened how former officials had been saying it did all along, some misconduct by lower level employees but didn't implicate the substantive investigation. someone should tell the fisa court that, that actually ruled that there was significant misconduct. maybe hennesey would like to know before she enters into the cia. here's another tweet attacking devin nunes. frankly nunes' lack of knowledge is alarming for the chair. lack of knowledge? he was one the one guy who got it right. susan didn't only suppor

susan: got it. stuart: those are the days, susan. you missed them. miami's big crypto conference this weekend. did the mayor of miami convince any new companies to move there? he is big on tech moving to miami? well he is back on the show and i will ask him about that. >>> royal caribbean reversing course. now saying passengers do not need to be vaccinated. live report from the port of miami next for you. ♪. my retirement plan with voya keeps me moving forward. they guide me with achievable steps that give me confidence. this is my granddaughter...she's cute like her grandpa. voya doesn't just help me get to retirement... ...they're with me all the way through it. voya. be confident to and through retirement. that building you're trying to sell, - you should ten-x it. - ten-x it? ten-x is the world's largest online commercial real estate exchange. you can close with more certainty. and twice as fast. if i could, i'd ten-x everything. like a coffee run... or fedora shopping. talk to your broker. ten-x does the same thing, - but with buildings. - so

i said susan i worked for watts. it was that good of a friendship and it means a lot to me and it means a lot to her and i value that so much and maybe it still makes her service there -- it's not easy being there, better pic is we still have each other. >> one of your chapters is entitled the fog of law which i thought was a wonderful chapter titled but now i'm hearkening back to your days not only as a member of congress but has a very good lawyer and maybe you could describe for the viewers what you mean by the fog of law. this also is an aftermath of the invasion of iraq. >> okay. well yes. it's also, it also relates to art staying in afghanistan after we accomplish that immediate mission authorized by congress and ended up with a lot of problems. the law wasn't clear on what we should be doing. the fog of law the term is adapted from the fog of war. it is very unclear going into battle or into a war how was going to turn now to one of the questions i now ask myself about everything in life is one retired general

susan neiman is the author of learning from the germans race and the memory of evil. she describes germany's reconciliation with its past and particular world war ii. up next ms. neiman discusses what americans can learn from germany's experience as we confront our civil war past and the nations confederate monuments. she's joined by michele norris columnist for the washington post the university of virginia's democracy initiatives memory project hosted this discussion and provided the video. welcome and greetings from charlottesville, virginia. thank you for joining the the university of virginia democracy initiatives memory project for our launch event today this afternoon. i'm jalane schmidt. associate professor of religious studies at the university of virginia, and i'm the director of the memory project. university of virginia democracy initiative integrates research teaching and public engagement on democracy by bringing together. a diverse range of scholars government leaders practitioners to study and advance the prospects of democracy in the united states and

susan li, good morning. susan: good morning. stuart: the fed meets this week, what are investors hoping to hear? susan: we are looking for possible hints of earlier rate increases and that's thanks to slight inflation, but also good news higher gdp growth also when and how they will taper which could in the $100 billion posting bond purchases each month and this is all a change from march, when most fed officials expected to keep interest rates at close to zero through the year of 2023, but analysts say they could show rate increases starting earlier next year in 2022, but the majority of investments say they still think the first rake-- rate hike won't happen until 2023. what will happen would be a disappointing labor market and less jobs anticipated in don't you find it interesting the fed is blaming a wave of an retirement due to the pandemic, not higher benefits for the reason the labor market has underperformed, but as i mentioned the good news is gdp and a looked at the fed will forecast a growth and that would be the fast

i would agree with doctor susan hopkins, the i with doctor susan hopkins, the united states has already started to adopt that strategy, so what we are saying is, once you are fully immunised, ie you have got two vaccines, you are as well prepared as well be. the key item is we need many more people to also be in that cohort of fully immunised and, when we get to that stage, i think it would be saferfor us we get to that stage, i think it would be safer for us to allow people who are fully immunised to resume more social activities. but we keep hearing about the strength and the transmissibility of certain strains, particularly the data variant which is causing problems here, at the moment, wonder what you are suggesting have to be caveat it depending on the variant we are dealing with? == depending on the variant we are dealing with?— depending on the variant we are dealing with? -- delta. the good news about _ dealing with? -- delta. the good news about the _ dealing with? -- delta. the good news about the data _ dealing with? -- delta. the good news about the data variant - dealing

susan walking in, too. and at the end of the hallway, waiting for susan -- rodney with a thank you. >> hey, how you doing? >> and with us tonight -- >> hi, david. >> susan and her husband lance. >> lance seems to be feeling great. >> i am feeling great. never felt better. >> hi, david. >> tia and rodney, too. >> recovery has had its ups and downs but it's headed in the right direction. >> tonight, two wives, two mothers, two coworkers and their message. >> take time to do the most simple of things, which is just, reach out to each other. >> they could be someone else's hope and all it takes is just a conversation. >> powerful bond. i hope to see you right back here tomorrow. good night

so susan soloman, see you on the picket line and i wish everyone a happy susan soloman day tomorrow. thank you, president walton. >> president walton: thank you, supervisor preston. supervisor mar. >> supervisor mar: thank you, president walton. i'd like to add and express my deep appreciation to susan for her decades of truly courageous and compassionate leadership and activism with uesf. i had the great pleasure and honor of working closely with susan for many years when i was the director at jaws of justice. susan always brought a big strategic vision and practical organizing and coalition building ideas to our discussions and work and just as importantly, susan always treated others with utmost respect and demonstrated a real commitment to listening to other perspectives in shared goals especially around very con 10 unambiguous issues and discussions. so thank you, susan, just for all that you've contributed to the labor movement in our city along with your life partner fred and, you guys leave an incredible legacy in our city. thank you so much and best wishes as you move into y

so susan soloman, see you on the picket line and i wish everyone a happy susan soloman day tomorrow. thank you, president walton. >> president walton: thank you, supervisor preston. supervisor mar. >> supervisor mar: thank you, president walton. i'd like to add and express my deep appreciation to susan for her decades of truly courageous and compassionate leadership and activism with uesf. i had the great pleasure and honor of working closely with susan for many years when i was the director at jaws of justice. susan always brought a big strategic vision and practical organizing and coalition building ideas to our discussions and work and just as importantly, susan always treated others with utmost respect and demonstrated a real commitment to listening to other perspectives in shared goals especially around very con 10 unambiguous issues and discussions. so thank you, susan, just for all that you've contributed to the labor movement in our city along with your life partner fred and, you guys leave an incredible legacy in our city. thank you so much and best wishes as you move into y

susan ferrechio, what are you hearing? guest: it is interesting what you're saying about justin amash . he had quite a bit of power when he was in congress. he was among a group of new republicans who often fought with leadership and forced them to make changes or give up on legislation they wanted to pass because they acted as a faction. that is how you can have leverage in congress prayed as much as it would be convenient for nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell -- in congress. as much as it would be convenient for nancy pelosi or mitch mcconnell to run the show when they are in charge, they have to deal with factions. it is an important ingredient in congress now or at any time because, when they act as a group, they have influence on legislation in order to get it pass. you need a majority to pass anything in the house, for example. you have to have a simple majority. you will not have it if her publicans are participating at all. that is very much the case in the senate, where individual senators have incredible amounts of p

my wife susan will be furious i am telling you this, susan, will you forgive me? my great mother-in-law, a fabulous woman, carol. she's got peter's brains but susan's personalities. evan strength is not just his ability to write and report. but his understanding of the world around him is always been extra ordinary. host: we have 20 and it's left in our hour. listed to mentor number three. you work for robert bernstein. let's take a look at him on video from 1989. >> you feel that human rights is the most important issue in the world today. we feel major problems like ecology, drugs, aids, disarmament, overpopulation are all international problems and can no longer be solved by a single nation. if human rights conditions do not exist in countries, those countries can really not participate in the changes that have to be made and governments are not the experts. the experts of various countries are always individuals and they have to be able to work with the experts in other countries if we are to survive. speaking to those of you from the u.s., we believe while th

i was extreme at close to paired but susan and i, the friendship endures. doesn't mean we agree on everything. we specifically disagree on a couple of big ones in the last few years. but the friendship endures. when she got engaged i went crazy. and among other things, hosted her big engagement party at my home. as a big bipartisan gathering out of that can happen anymore. and she tried on wedding dresses in my house. she got married through think it's a national place on the map you're wrong. that comes out of the mist and there it is written minutes. in getting there was horrific. it was a family gathering on a very small group. i finally arrived after planes, trains and automobiles nine hours later. just in time for her rehearsal dinner. standing outside the rain of course it would be raining. but she said it should not have come, should not have comfort way too hard for you. i said susan i would have walked. it is that good of a friendship and it means a lot to me. it means a lot to her. i have that so much it made serving their so much better. the serv

but, susan, i want to begin with a bit of definition. jalane, you are using this term, "working off the past," described in the wonderful compound word with 26 letters and eight syllables that marches across the tongue. jalane, a gold star for you with your pronunciation, because i am afraid to try. i get it wrong each time. i will try. vergangenheit? sorry, i do not speak german. i messed it up already. pardon me for that. but could you explain what this word is, where came from, and why it is called working off the past? not working through the past, not working from the past, but what that concept means? dr. neiman: so, actually, the germans have several versions of that word, germans liking long, compound words, and it has changed over time. when i came to berlin in 1982, the word most often used was faganghat's bevertigong, which means conquering the past and some people still use that. i don't, because it does imply the past can be conquered and overcome and done with, and there's something easy that you can do. and i do not think

my wife susan will be furious i am telling you this, susan, will you forgive me? my great mother-in-law, a fabulous woman, carol. she's got peter's brains but susan's personalities. evan strength is not just his ability to write and report. but his understanding of the world around him is always been extra ordinary. host: we have 20 and it's left in our hour. listed to mentor number three. you work for robert bernstein. let's take a look at him on video from 1989. >> you feel that human rights is the most important issue in the world today. we feel major problems like ecology, drugs, aids, disarmament, overpopulation are all international problems and can no longer be solved by a single nation. if human rights conditions do not exist in countries, those countries can really not participate in the changes that have to be made and governments are not the experts. the experts of various countries are always individuals and they have to be able to work with the experts in other countries if we are to survive. speaking to those of you from the u.s., we believe while th

i would support susan. i'm reasonably optimistic about getting an infrastructure bipartisan agreement. we saw last week a bipartisan bill on challenging china. we are likely to see bipartisanship on a dreamers bill and lindsey graham put his finger on it. we can get a bipartisan police reform bill. there may be enough if you step back and take a look at it that the congress is doing enough in a bipartisan fashion that the extreme measures that the administration is pushing, $4.2 trillion in new taxes, and you're right, bernie sanders is $6 trillion but the administration is not far behind. chris: all right, panel. we're going to have to take a break here. we will see you later in the hour. up next, we'll sit down with the president's national security advisor, jake sullivan, to discuss iran's new president, how to get china to open up about covid, and what joe biden actually got out of the summit with vladimir putin. i didn't realize how special it would be for me to discover all of these things that i foun

susan, i want to switch gears. we have learned that trump's justice department demanded metadata for phones and e-mails addressing from apple all connected to democratic lawmakers be handed over, staffers, their families. the former attorney general bill barr told "politico" he was, quote, not aware that they were looking at any of those cases. he said he doesn't discussed leaked cases with president trump, but the president was out there shouting from the rooftops about what he wanted. take a listen. >> i've actually called the justice department to look into the leaks. those are criminal leaks. the leaks are real. you know what they said, you saw it, the leaks are absolutely rule. the news is fake, because so much of the news is fake. >> we're going to find the leakers. we're going to find 9 leakers. they're going to pay a big price for leaking. >> susan, was that a clear directive from president trump? >> well, look, i think this is a clear-cut example, frankly, yes, not only was it a directive from president tr

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so susan, nancy pelosi there asking the big question. is it possible for two highest level members of trump's doj to not have knowledge about this, and if they don't, then who did? >> it seems extremely unlikely. i can't come up with a scenario where it would be the case. obviously i think you're going to see a lot of pushing off, no, he knew, no, he knew, and that may happen. the other thing that could be even scarier is that trump had someone inside doj that he communicated with directly. and while, yes, you would expect it to make it up to the head of the doj, it could have happened, but it doesn't matter, the point is that it happened, and that these records, we need to find out if they were on republicans as well. i think "the new york times" is just breaking that mcgahn's records were looked at by apple. so there's a lot of moving parts to this story. the one thing i feel very secure in is knowing that this is the tip of the iceberg, alex. a lot of people are saying garland should have came out sooner and done this. i think that th

i said susan i would have walked. [laughter] it's that good of friendship. and it means a lot to me. i think it means a lot to her. i value that so much, it made serving their so much better. and maybe it still makes her service i there. it is not easy being there, it may be better because we still have each other. >> one of your chapters is entitled the fog of law. which i thought was a wonderful chapter title. but now i'm harkening back to your days not only as a member of congress but as a very, very good lawyer. maybe you could describe for the viewers what you mean by the fog of law. this is also an aftermath after the invasion of iraq. >> okay, well, yes it is also writes two hours staying in afghanistan after we accomplish the immediate mission authorized by congress and ended up with a lot of hard problems. probably many of them. there is a fog of law meaning the law was not clear in what we should be doing. the fog of long-term is adapted from the fog of war, many have known for years it is very unclear going into a battle or into aad war how it's g