and although america may change and grow, but the memory and the words of abraham lincoln remain fresh. but now the charity for all, let us strive onn to finish the work we are in and invited the nations and to do all which we cherish and just into our nation. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ the gilder lehrman institute of american historyat make it. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ >> it is my privilege now to introduce the president of the gettysburg college, bob, distinguished lawyer editor blog review student at the law school a federal prosecutor and bob was for several years senior vice president and general counsel of harvard university where he led many university wide initiatives and was president the trusted advisor bobby came 15 president of the gettysburg college in july of 2019 and midst of his first year as president that covid-19 struck and bob is been heroic and very successful in his efforts to lead the college through this challenging time and bob is also a member of the lincoln prize and i can tell you from personal observation he is an eloquentde participant in the

," and professor david reynolds and his book, "abraham lincoln and his time." there will be a live q&a with both authors at the end of our hour of long program. additionally, we'll hear remarks by liz lehrman, and a host of other distinguished guests. please note we are going to keep the chat closed to minimize any distraction during the program, but we encourage audience members to submit questions in the q&a feature at the bottom of the screen. before we get started, our program tonight will begin as it traditionallyy does as an invocation. scott, we turn to you for the invocation. me you to our virtual celebration of the prize. behind me is a statue of mr. lincoln signing the emancipation proclamation which i'm proud to say that lynn and i and-under around checker higgins family, donatessed to get tis burg college. the statute is in front of stevenses hall, named for the congressman abolitionist who wag a longtime crustee of the college provided the landin' 1832 response the welcome was built. let's us take a few minutes in prayer. lord god we meet this even

her book deliverance and the winner of the 2021 prize for his book abraham lincoln and his time. you'll be hearing remarks from both sides this night and there will be a live q&a with both authors at the end of our our long program . additionally we will hear remarks by louis berman and jim baxter of the gilder institute, president of gettysburgcollege and a host of other distinguished guests . please note we are going to keep the chat close to minimize any distraction so we encourage audience members to submit questions using their q&a feature at the bottom of the screen . before we get started our program tonight will begin as it traditionally does with an invitation by scott higgins. he's a graduate and former trustee of gettysburg college . friend of the lincoln prize and founder of the nation's leading advocate for military veterans. scott, we turn to you for the invocation. >> and scott higgins and as the trustee of the lincoln prize i want to welcome you to our virtual celebration of the prize. behind me is a statue of mister lincoln signing the emancipation proclamation w

on abraham lincoln the american civilil war soldier or the american civil war hero. tonight the 2020 lincoln prize is awarded the elizabeth barrett for exceptional book armies of deliverance -- "armies of deliverance" a new history of the civil civil war. liz is one of the leading historians of the civil war era and we are very fortunate to have her leadership and intellect at the center for civil war history and located at the university of virginia. i've had an interest in the study of the civil war since i was a young boy. all started with civil war battlefields on families transferred as a young undergraduate starting at uva in the fall of 1964 i was surprised when registering for classes that there were no history classes on mid-19th century america. over the years i made up my mind that if i ever had the capacity i would work to establish the 19th century history class at uva. i'm very proud of the work of the center uva and the role that it plays in the study of the american civil war. liz has played a significant role in helping to shape programming at theg c

in english on abraham lincoln, the american civil war soldier or the american civil war hero. tonight the 2020 lincoln prize is awarded to elizabeth varon for her exceptional book "armies of deliverance" a new history of the civil war. liz is one of the leading historians of the civil war era and we are very fortunate to have her leadership and intellect at the nau center. it had an interest in the study of the civil war since i was a young boy. all started with civil war battlefield tours on family trips. as a young undergraduate starting at uva in the fall of 1964 i was surprised when registering for classes that there were no history classes on this 19th century america. over the years i've made up my mind that if i ever had the capacity i would work to establish a 19 system -- i'm very proud of the work of the nau center at uva in the world that it's played in the study of the american civil war. liz has played a significant role in helping to shape programming at the nau center. she she's a very talented and dedicated teacher at both the undergraduate and graduate levels.

a new fan of abraham lincoln bookshop. daniel, i'm going to toss it over to you to take us out and if you have any last thoughts. >> as we go out of this, i just thought as we were listening to some of the questions coming through, the import of this book is also we are dealing with destroying lincoln statues for some reason of lincoln bailey. i think in this book is a quick answer to what actually lincoln is, who he is. the breath of who he is and i think all of us in this is powerful reasoning why we should not be taken down but building up more statues. he's one we should all be looking at as a moral exemplar. we all fail as a human being in 19th century, we all have fat but if we look at the plus side of him, i think it overwhelms any of the human family might have as we all do so i want to thank everyone from those who are live with us and those who are with us on c-span and all of you who have seen this on youtube, we put this up on youtube and you can see many of our pastho interviews there. appreciate you being wit

although america may change and grow, the words of abraham lincoln remain fresh. but now let the charity fall, let us drive on for the buying of the nations that do all which we achieve a just and lasting peace and with our nation. the gilder lehrman lincoln prize is sponsored jointly by the gilder lehrman institute of american institute at gettysburg college it is my privilege now to introduce the president of gettysburg college, a distinguished lawyer, editor of the law review while a student in the law school, a former appeals court clerk and federal prosecutor, bob for several years was the senior vice president and general counsel at harvard university where he led many university wide initiatives and was president trusted advisor. bob became the 15th president of gettysburg college in july, 2019. in the midst of his first year as president, covid struck and bob has been hero again very successful in his efforts to lead the college through this challenging time and as a member of the lincoln prize and i can tell you from personal observation he is an ardent a

friend of abraham lincoln, kind of a frenemy of abraham lincoln. definitely the most powerful in illinois it was not abraham lincoln's john hardin. john hardin was the first in illinois to volunteer. he leads the whole brigade of illinois soldiers down to mexico. and he dies there. >> let's start with illinois and hardin. we can talk about lincoln as well. let's begin a war that lease on the surface think after the war one could say that. surely there are pockets of dissent from the very beginning. that has expanded or enlarged over time. i think if i recall correctly, illinois set more to mexico than any other northern state. hardin is a wig. moe would expect him to be somewhat reluctant to do this. nonetheless he is out there in the forefront. can you talk a little bit about politics how that reverberates back to lincoln in his political future? >> i did not know a whole lot about illinois before i started researching this book. it was one of the great pleasures of researching this book was learning about hardin and learning about hardin's family

abraham lincoln saw this early, and he was fairly successful at convincing people. and not living in the big city, on equal footing with everyone else. you create transportation routes, you get the infrastructure to get people there. and lincoln was fairly successful as a young assemblyman and she introduced this conceptdu vase on the american system and it would create economic progress, fundamental to the view of the world and the united states and they were very much into building infrastructure and internal church to pay for them. and they call it the era of good feelings. i'm not quite sure why they call it that, but the biggest thing was to build canals all across the country to connect these majorry river systems which were our inner states at that time and of course the railroads took off in the following decades of the 1840s in what became of this huge interstate system because the canals exceeded the growth. what had happened when lincoln proposes little canal out of springfield is that he knew that any place where the canal was at a conjunction, a law of

lincoln prize that is awarded for the fine scholarly work on i abraham lincoln, the american civil war soldier or the american civil war hero. the 2020 lincoln prize is awarded to elizabeth for her exceptional book armies of deliverance, new history of the civil war. come up she is t one of the leading historians of the civil war era and we are very fortunate to have her leadership located at the university of virginia. i've had an interest since i was a young boy in the civil war, starting with battlefield tours on family trips, as a young undergraduate starting at uva in the fall of 1964 i was surprised when registering for classes that there were no history h classes on mid-19th century america. over the years i made up my mind that if i ever have the capacity i would work to establish mid-19th century history classes. i am proud of the work of the center here in the role that it plays in the study of the american civil war. liz has played a significant role in helping to shape the programming at the center and this includes the graduate and undergraduate levels. she has trained a n

this young man was abraham lincoln. took another trip out of springfield, illinois. 1828 is a really important here though. that is with the erie canal opened. that gave new york city, which became of course with the greatest imports in the world, access to the markets west into the great lakes brit at the time chicago was not even a city it was a swampy trading post a very inaccessible because the only way of getting down to the mississippi river was through an ugly portage called bud lake. even in 1673, two explorers said hey there should be a canal here. if you connect the chicago river to lake michigan, the great lakes, the erie canal, new york city you can get to new orleans because internet to the illinois river, then the mississippi and onto the chosen city. that was on the first impressions that young abraham lincoln had as the nation was growing in the 1830s, it was really a time that we don't really study a whole lot. because we mostly skip from the revolution to the civil war, there is a lot of history in bet

i am abraham lincoln, i wish. i am daniel weinberg and we're here at abraham lincoln book shop in chicago, and our broadcast studio embedded in our shop. i wish you were here with us as you have been in the past but our next book we hope to have you do that. of course we are here for your latest book which i will talk about in a moment, "lincoln in private" and if you're watching this we will have books signed for you in the book place just like this. our logo is on it. that came from carl sandburg years and years ago, and ron is going to be signing those for us and for you when you order a book from us. let's introduce ron first. ronald white is a reader at the huntington library, senior fellow of the trinity forum in washington, d.c. he is has taught at ucla, coo college, whitworth university, at the princeton theological seminary. he's lectured at the white house, been interviewed for "the pbs newshour," and lectured on lincoln truly all over the world. some of his previous books include american ulysses, a lin

lincoln's bookshop website that is abraham lincoln books.com. if you are watching this live on the facebook feed were going to put a link to the order form in the comments. so you can go when there in order the book, we have special signed and dated bookplates that karen was kind enough to sign for us, thank you karen that are only available if you order it on the day of the release. we have other signed book places we will get you if you order later. but if you order today you'll get signed and dated which will create an effect of c limited addition of no common ground, signed and dated. folks at home feel free to get out there and order the book that's how we can afford to put the programs on for real and introduce you to the authors on house divided. a little bit on our guest today doctor karen alcock's is a professor of history at the university of north carolina charlotte she's also dreaming of dixie, dixie's author and she writes about, she writes in public about the controversy and she does a lot of media appearances infrequent. since on

[laughter] the abraham lincoln workshop in chicago in our broadcast embedded in our shop. first, we are here for the latest book which i'll talk about in a moment, we could in private. who have books signed for you and just like this, our logo is on. signing us and for you when you order books from us. let's introduce ron first. ronald white junior is a reader of the library, senior fellow in washington d.c. he's taught at ucla, wentworth university and princeton theological seminary. he's lectured at the white house.r previous books include american ulysses, life grant, a lincoln biography, lincoln's greatest speech, the second inaugural, liberty and justice for all, racial reform and the second gospel. the latest book lincoln and private personal recollection, tell us about our greatest president. random house book 328 pages it's $28.oo one of our shows here, at our 83-year-old shop, we are comfortable as you can see in the 21st century even though we are 19th century oriented and we have been broadcasting these author interviews called house divided 2004, inspired by th

this young man was abraham lincoln. he took another trip out of springfield illinois. it's a really important here because that is when the canal opened. that gave new york city which became of course one of the greatest ports in the world access to the markets into the great lakes at the time chicago wasn't even a city it was a swampy trading post, very inaccessible because the only way of getting down to the mississippi river was through an ugly port. two explorers said there should be a canal because if you connect the chicago river and new york city you can get to new orleans and the mississippi and on to the crescent city so that was one of the first impressions that young abraham lincoln had. the nation was growing in the 1830s and it was a time we don't study a whole lot because we mostly skip from the revolution to the civil war. there was a lot in between and one of the reasons i wrote the book is because i wanted to know how did our country develop. what did we need to do to get to where we are today. and eventually, what do we need to do to get deeper into t

lincoln book. >> welcome to a house divided, i'm abraham lincoln. i wish. [laughter] we are here at the abraham lincoln bookshop in chicago and our broadcast video in our shop, which one you were here with us as you have in the past but our next book we hope to have you do that. we are here for the latest book which i'll talk about in a moment if you're watching this, we will have signed for you, books like this, our logo is on. god is going to be signing those for you when you order a book from us. ronald white junior is a reader at huntington library, senior fellow washington d.c. he taught at ucla, colorado college, and seminary. he is lectured at the white house it interviewed for the cbs news hour and lectured truly all over the world. previous books include, a lincoln, biography, lincoln's greatest speech, the second inaugural, liberty and justice for all, racial reform and the second gospel and numbers of others. his latest book is lincoln in private but it's most personal recollection tell us about our greatest president. random house book,

for treason, to complicit assassination of abraham lincoln. and three the mistreatment of federal soldiers in order to answer those charges in federal court he had to be in a place that would be in richmond for the confederacy. interior four months for almost two years. you would never see his day in court. he would never be acquitted. he would write his memoirs and lived to the age of 80 with the understanding jefferson davis was charged with three federal indictments. many folks in the united states or of influence decided it would be the best way to heal the nation. to try jefferson davis and appear he might be acquitted with cast a shadow over two-point to million people going to war in 750,000 of them losing their lives. at the conclusion of the american civil war, the priority's in the present with the citizens of the united states was to reunite the country, and make us once again a strong union. many confederate officers would not be charged in fact many of those officers have roles and occupy positions within ... as grants administrat

abraham lincoln wrote 266-2279. [laughter] you asked us to read through them and be interactive and try to understand and question what we are reading of lincoln because there's a lot of them there and you go through 11, 12, 13 in the main part of the book but yout ask us to be interactie and analyze. he goes over slavery, the number of labor, fragments of the house divided speech. the longest response i've seen for any autograph request and there it is. robertla e lee may be the farewl to the troops rivals it but there's an autograph request and it's fabulous. of course my favorite fragment is when you can't find it anywhere else, go with this. one is a note to zachary taylor if he had him in front of him and this is a time in the 50s when the whigs were trying to get into power and what he ought to say to policy. i've asked others before with the particular problems are with a soldier becoming w a politicin versus a politician becoming a commander-in-chief so how does lincoln in this fragment say how a shoulder sh

this is your captain coming to you from abraham lincoln bookshop in chicago and i have our guest with us right here it's doctor karen cox, the author of no common ground confederate monuments in the ongoing fight for racial justice. doctor cox, welcome to the show. >> it's great to be with you i wish i was in person but glad to be with the bookshop again. >> thank you very much and we also wish you were here in person because this is so much fun to have a conversation like this face-to-face it's more fun to interact will have those times again, were coming to the end of this current unpleasant group. we are here tody talk about 'skaren's new book but before we do that i wish to send out greetings and salutations to those of you who may be watching this conversation on c-span booktv a we have a recording ths event on april 12, 2021 which is the release of no common ground so those of you watching this on c-span book tv will be watching it at some other time but we thank you for your attention and we hope you will enjoy this conversation if you're watching it later, if you are watching

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features the writings of 165 troops from male abraham lincoln's home state, and covers the war from the first in less teens to the final muster. mark photo of the abraham lincoln national museum, which hosted this discussion and provided the video. >> today i have the pleasure to talk to a good friend of mine, you and i have known each other for a good number of years and being colleagues i'd like to think that we've collaborated on successfully under several different things. you are an anthropologist by training, you got your degree in you have 30 years with the online department of health. and you finished off that time as the chief at the illinois center of health sticks. boy, if there's ever some place as the focus of what's going on right now, that would be it. something of a demographer and a statistician. i can even say that term. but also, i know you got into poetry a little bit later in life and i think that has something to do with this book. more i want to start is just to ask you how it is that you came to write this book? >> yeah, well thank you for that introduction mark.

so, i came over here to the presidential library, just a couple of doors down on the abraham lincoln presidential library to look at manuscripts and personal letters. and as many illinois soldiers as i could find. and after a couple of years, three years, i had enough for a poetry project. wrote various poems.

the first thing that occurred is that abraham lincoln promoted and a sign major general benjamin butler to come and take command of fort monroe. almost on the heels of that the commonwealth of virginia who had been sitting on the fence on whether or not to stay under the protection of the united states are joined to confederacy finally made a decision and that decision was indeed. they would join the new confederate government and invite the national capital to be removed to the city of richmond, virginia. butler takes command, virginia leaves the union during all this three individuals three brave individuals baker townsend mallory would steal a ship? row across the chesapeake bay present themselves at the gate of the american soldiers and say we're run away slaves seek be refugees and protection. they were invited into the fort the very next day major general benjamin butler interviewed the three individuals and he found out that these individuals were being used for the use of the confederate army to build trenches and to do chores around the confederate camp. that same day the owner

welcome to a house divided coming to you from thehe abraham lincoln bookshop in chicago. i'm here with you today and i will be the administrator for the program. and you will learn more about that in the moment. dinner was with us and he is here to speak more about house divided. >> welcome to house divided. we are here at lincoln bookshop in chicago. we thank you for being here with us as you have been in the past as well. the latest i will talk about in a moment. we will have a book signing. .. >> and lectured on lincoln truly all over the world. some. previous books include, american ulysses, the life of ulysses s. grant. a. lincoln, a biography, the second inaugural. justice for all, racial reform and the second gospel and numbers of others. his latest book, as you've seen is lincoln in private, but his most personal recollections tell us about our greatest president. the random house books, 328 pages. and it's $28. now, as i said, you're in a house divided, that's one of our shows here at our 83-year-old shop, but we're comfortable in the 21st century, even though we

this young man was abraham lincoln. he took another trip out of springfield, illinois, 1828 was a really important year. that is when the eries canal opened. that gave new york city which became one of the greatest ports in the world, access to the markets west into the great lakes. at the time chicago is not even a city it was a swamping trading post. very inaccessible because the only way of getting down to t theg mississippi river was through an ugly portage called mud lake. even in 1673, two explorers said hey, there should be a canal here. if you connect the chicago river to great michigan, the great lakes, new new york city and get to new orleans. and onto the city. that was one of the first impressions that young abraham lincoln had as the nation was growing in the 1830s it was really a time we don't study a whole lot. we mostly skip from the revolution to the civil war. there is a lot of history in between. one of the reasons i wrote the book is because i wanted to know how did our country develop? what did beat

bjorn: i'm occasionally going to share things that we have in abraham lincoln's bookshop and usually want to do this, try to sell it to you. to me some of the things we will share in this program. tell us the value as the next ordinary valuable historically. knowing pitching this to you but karen, i'm going to give you one chance to talk about one particular unc person and that is the photographer we don't need to go back to dixie daughters but i think people are interested in the confederate monitor and monuments will want to know that there is a project going on and people behind this project and here we see these pamphlets that she is passing out there teaching in a pitching it in teaching it privileged version of the civil war that privileges of the confederate memory of the civil war. it's called the lost cause. a lot of people were listening to the snow about the lost cause. even those monuments have a real project behind them that is to tell our story. karen: exactly. there was like a one-woman pr machine for the unc, she wrote all of the scrapbooks about various aspects of co

this young man was abraham lincoln and he took another trip out of springfield illinois, this was 1828 it's a really important here because as erie canal opens. that gave new york city which became of course, one of the greatest force in the world, access to the market last into the great lakes at the time chicago was not even a city, is a swampy trading post, very inaccessible because the only way to get to the mississippi river was an port called mud like which even in 18 or i'm sorry 1673, two explorers in marquette, father market said hey there should be a canal here because if you connect the chicago river to michigan in the great lakes and erie canal and new york city you can get to new orleans printed in the illinois river in mississippi and onto carson city. so that was one of the first impressions known abraham lincoln had as a nation was growing in the 1830s and it was really a time that we do not really study a whole lot. because we mostly skip on the revolution to the civil war was a lot of history in between and one of the reasons that are of is because that i wanted to kn

he is the uber leader or he's eclipsed even, i think, in my opinion abraham lincoln as the icon of the republican party. >> well, some would argue that ronald reagan knew gingrich who you have written about and donald trump are the outsize figures of the modern republican party, would you agree with that? >> no, i absolutely agree with that. they certainly are. t gringrich and the revolution of 1984, trump in his populist revolution of four years ago. all of them represent different periods in times and philosophies of republicanism which is actually, i hate to phrase big tent, big tent of ideologies and going back to abraham lincoln and down through the ages. >> so when did you first meet ronald reagan? >> i first met ronald reagan in 1978. i was working on a campaign in new hampshire. gordon humphrey. considered by everybody at the time as a long shot and actually ended up winning over incumbent by 6,000 votes and reagan came up to campaign. it was in new hampshire. it was a important primary state and reagan needed to win new hampshire and he came into new hampshire highway hotel an

eighth overall top performers in crisis leadership abraham lincoln fdr theodore roosevelt. truman dwight eisenhower thank you for that question. we do know about kennedy and averting war for their different kinds of crises but if you favor only one kind of crisis that is crisis foreign policy. you also want to look at domestic crises such as covid. there are two philosophies. not all demand activity or restraint. were going to talk about coolidge, coolidge was a president who held back in a crisis there is terrible flood in the south, there is a flood in the home state of new york. he held back. he did not jump in. he actually believe the state should handle the crisis. americans of both want presidents to jump in domestic crises and don't. that is the division. our system is divided. when people voted on crisis management it did depend somewhat on their philosophy. you always jump in a crisis? you always jump in and a certain way or do you hold back? to me that is the big question what is the definition of crisis and what is the definition of the correct response. that's a

so there was one a first impressions that young abraham lincoln had as a nation was drawing in 1830s and it was really a time we don't really study a lot. because we mostly skip from the revolution to the w civil war there is a lot of history in between and one of the reasons that i wrote the book was because i wanted to know editor country developed and what did weow need to do to get to wheree are today. and eventually, what we need to do to get into the future into the more equitable. so what was really important about that one trip, is a very huckleberry trip from lincoln and it had changed his worldview and thinking in a changed the way that he said things in public. and one of his first really campaign when he ran for the general assembly, in springfield illinois now, still young man in his 20s, he felt it running to stores tried surveying, swimming would doing anything to make ends meet and he has some debts and a department in the store hade left in my right hand of a half-dozen he did all of this will be very curious about the world reading about the market in economics and

. >>> mark flotow's book features the writings of 165 troops from abraham lincoln's home state and covers the war from the earliest enlistees through final muster. he's interviewed by mike depew of the abraham presidential library and museum which hosted this discussion and provided the video. >> today i have the pleasure to talk to a good friend of mine. you and i have known each other for quite a few years here, mark, and been colleagues. i like to think we collaborated successfully on several different things. you're an anthropologist by training and then you ended up in state government. i know you had 30 years with the illinois department of health, and you finished off that time as the chief, the illinois center of health statistics. boy, if there's ever someplace some focus on what's going on right now in the world that would be it. something of a demographer and statistician. so what i want to do is ask you how it is you came to write this book. >> yeah, well, thank you for that introduction, mark. the idea for the book was actually a poetry project. i was inspired also by you wit

go visit the abraham lincoln presidential museum. he got that hallway with all these dissonant voices and all the different opinions drawing opinions. they had on this very subject. yes. yes, that's one of my favorite parts because it really does show the angst and the difficulty that abraham lincoln face when he was president united states. yeah at the beginning of the war certainly not all the soldiers in illinois. that signed up were abolitionists. in fact, they would have been quite a minority. but some of them came to see this when it did happen, that is the emancipation proclamation that it was a good thing because it would shorten the war and they would get home sooner that was the overriding thought that would be in the back of their minds. all the time and that's why they kept up on politics and newspapers because they were looking for signs and symptoms of the war starting to come to a conclusion. and when will we be home? there weren't any it says this is only going to lengthen the war. the other were some that said, yes,

so, i came over here to the presidential library, just a couple of doors down on the abraham lincoln presidential library to look at manuscripts and personal letters. and as many illinois soldiers as i could find. and after a couple of years, three years, i had enough for a poetry project. wrote various poems. i gave a presentation on those at poets in the parlor series. and thenl they actually ended up down stairs in theaterium for several months, hung up as two posterboards. and i have read so many letters that i could not find that book at the beginning that i'd been looking for. i thought maybe there's a need there. maybe i should start working on that. so, i read more and finally put in a book proposal. and finally got the book. >> and how long did you spend diving into these letters? >> i don't know. i've read at least a few thousand. i don't know how many hours. i started in 2013 reading. and up to 18, 2019, i am still coming across >> one of the things that struck me about how you developed this book is the organization of it. can you talk about how you decided to organize th

eighth overall top performers in crisis leadership abraham lincoln fdr theodore roosevelt. truman dwight eisenhower thank you for that question. we do know about kennedy and averting war for their different kinds of crises but if you favor only one kind of crisis that is crisis foreign policy. you also want to look at domestic crises such as covid. there are two philosophies. not all demand activity or restraint. were going to talk about coolidge, coolidge was a president who held back in a crisis there is terrible flood in the south, there is a flood in the home state of new york. he held back. he did not jump in. he actually believe the state should handle the crisis. americans of both want presidents to jump in domestic crises and don't. that is the division. our system is divided. when people voted on crisis management it did depend somewhat on their philosophy. you always jump in a crisis? you always jump in and a certain way or do you hold back? to me that is the big question what is the definition of crisis and what is the definition of the correct response. that's a

lincoln, but one of the highlighted -- this is really a cool case because not only does it have the original manuscript of juliet ward howe, battle hymn of the republic, but actually has a bible presented and given to abraham lincoln by a group of african americans from baltimore, in appreciation of his signing of the emancipation proclamation, they presented this bible to him. this would have been a very, very expensive bible. the emancipation proclamation is riddled with many biblical references as well. so really cool and dynamic case inserted here, what's known as confederate states new testimony. similar to what happened when america declared independence, the english ceased to supply america with goods. same thing happened from the north and south. what was established was confederate state bible society. this is the first new testament printed from the confederate when he was reordered to take the tower he asked the company commander, he said can i get some grenades. and captain harington said you can have whatever you want. so he told him go get me all the grenades you can l

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coming from abraham lincoln shopping chicago, i have our guests with us here, doctor harry, the author of no common groundnd the ongoing fight for racial justice welcome to the show break to be with you, i wish it was in person glad to be. >> we also you were here in person, it's so much fun, even having a conversation like this, face to face is so much more fun to interact. we'll have those times again. >> sure. >> were coming to the end of this unpleasant didn't. everybody out there, we arein he to talk t about karen's new book but before we do that, i wish to send out greetings and salutations to those of you who may be watching this on c-span book tv. we are recording this about april 12, 2021 which is the date of release of no common ground. those of you watching this on c-span book tv, or watching at another time but we thank you to your attention to it and we hope you will enjoy this conversation if you are watching it later. if you are watching later, we willre still have copies, first edition signed copies of no common groundn available at you can order at abraham lincoln book

it was only when president abraham lincoln signed the emancipation problem case in january 1863 that they could join the union army. it was at that moment that governor andrew of massachusetts leapt into action to form the 54th massachusetts regiment. he had actually been thinking about forming it for quite some time. massachusetts in general and, of course, boston specifically, was a hotbed of abolitionist sentiment, and he had very much wanted to pull together a troop, a regiment of african-american soldiers. so he looked to the prominent abolitionists in the massachusetts area, in boston specifically, to form what was called a black committee, which consisted of not only noted african-american abolitionists such as frederick douglas, but also white abolitionists, as well, such as wendell phillips or george luther sterns. they formed the black committee and started to rally support around the idea of forming a regiment of african-americans. they got together a group of recruiters. along this wall over here, we have pictures of many of the men and women who spread out across the nor

it was only when president abraham lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation in january 1863 that they could join the union army. it was at that moment that governor andrew of massachusetts leapt into action to form the 54th massachusetts regiment. he had actually been thinking about forming the regiment for quite some time. massachusetts in general and, of course, boston specifically, was a hotbed of abolitionist sentiment, and he had very much wanted to pull together a troop, a regiment of african-american soldiers. so he looked to many of the most prominent abolitionists in the massachusetts area, in boston specifically, to form what was called a black committee, which consisted of not only noted african-american abolitionists such as frederick douglass, but also white abolitionists, as well, such as wendell phillips or george luther sterns. they formed the black committee and started to rally support around the idea of forming a regiment of african-americans. they got together a group of recruiters. along this wall over here, we have pictures of many of the men and women who s

lincoln. but one of the highlights, this is a really cool case because not only does it have the original manuscript of julia -- the bible him republic, but it actually has a bible that was presented and given to abraham lincoln by a group of african americans from baltimore. this in appreciation of his a signing of the emancipation proclamation, they presented this bible to him. this would have been a very expensive bible. the emancipation proclamation itself is riddled with many biblical references as well. so, it's really cool and dynamic case. -- very similar to what happened when, america declared their independence. the english cease to supply america with goods. same thing happened from the north and south. what was established was, confederate states, viable society. and this is the first new testament from the confederate states viable society which is actually imported with the title page. this is a very rare new testament. because the soldiers, rather bibles under new testament. it

here an extraordinary letter from corporal henry james gooding to president abraham lincoln complaining about that desparility in pay and he says quite pointedly to president lincoln. are we soldiers or are we laborers? as so many others would argue, you know in the years thereafter arguing for equal pay for equal work and then he goes on to remind president lincoln that at that as soon as the north had opened its armies up to enlistment by african-americans the south had tried to inhibit that by saying that any african-american soldiers who were caught would be killed outright some rarely executed. and lincoln had said if you know you if you do that, you must treat all of our soldiers equally black and white gooding in this letter goes on to say if you tell the south that it has to treat all soldiers black and white the same then why aren't you paying all soldiers the same so wonderful extraordinary letter and indeed when the union army refused to pay the african-american soldiers that the 13 dollars a month that they had promised all of the 54th both the officers and the soldiers refu