some of these files go back to the clinton administration to a democratic administration wanting which i worked. the next set of files go into the bush administration. again, another administration in which i worked for both clinton and bush in their white house and their national security council and both administration made mistakes. some of them are documented in the 911 commission and some are not. some are not matters of national security. some are just matters of embarrassment that would embarrass officials or people who are in government at the time. so there are a lot of different things that are kept in these files. i hope for the family sake that they are not too disappointed, but some of the details that may come out may be pretty mundane, but very embarrassing for officials at the time. is it the right thing to do in your view and is, is this the right time to be doing it is way overdue. there is no reason to have kept these files classified. that i knew when i was either in the clinton administration or in the bush administration. there of course, were mistakes in the stat

the first term of the clinton administration. then, president bush did nothing on the issue. president obama came in talking about infrastructure investment. he passed the american recovery act that invested 4% of all that money in infrastructure. i worked with chairman jim oberstar. i chaired the subcommittee. we wrote a very ambitious surface transportation re-authorization which he had been promised by the obama administration would be next. they pulled the plug. and then came president trump, the builder. he invited a large group of us down to the white house. we had a long discussion. and we agreed and he turned to the speaker and said, nancy, nancy. how much do you need? $1.5 trillion, mr. president. no. $1.8 trillion. no. $2 trillion sounds better. ok. we agreed to come back three weeks and hammer out the details. we came back three weeks, walked in the room, had a hissy fit. the seven fake infrastructure weeks happened during the trump administration. now, the house on the first of july passed the invest act, a bill that went through the real legislative process. hour

administration until the obama administration got rid of it where cuban migrants when they reeved on u.s. soil they were allowed to say. after one year and one day, they could apply for t residency but haitian who is were caught at sea they were returned to their country of origin. we had guantanamo bay where we had 60,000 asians where we had 213 mine or who is were re-returned back to haiti. and a lot of people forget that there were haitians who arrived here in south florida and they too final finally received something immigration benef but only after the activism of the community. when i spoke to haitian-americans, immigration advocates that's what was what came to mind to them. you were seeing the double standard in terms of haitian immigrants no matter what was happening in their country, they were always perceived as economic migrants and therefore they were immediately returned back to haiti while other migrant who is come seeki asai lem are often arowed to go through the court system and make their case. yamiche: were also tad border, mexico and texas. why are migrants makin

administration until the obama administration got rid of it wher cuban migrants when they reeved on u.s. soil they were allowed to say. after one year and one day, they could apply for t residency but haitian who is were caught at sea they were returned to their country of origin. we had guantanamo bay where we had 60,000 asians where we had 213 mine or who is were re-returned back to haiti. and a lot of people forget that there were haitians who arrived here in south florida and they too final finally received something immigration benefit but only after the activism of the community. when i spoke to haitian-americans, immigration advocates that's what was what came to mind to them. you were seeing the double standard in terms of haitian immigrants no matter what was happening in their country, they were always perceived as economic migrants and therefore they were immediately returned back to haiti while other migrant who is come seeking asai lem are often arowed to go through the court system and make their case. yamiche: were also tad border, mexico and texas. why are migrants m

the first term of the clinton administration. then, president bush did nothing on the issue. president obama came in talking about infrastructure investment. he passed the american recovery act that invested 4% of all that money in infrastructure. i worked with chairman jim oberstar. i chaired the subcommittee. we wrote a very ambitious surface transportation re-authorization which he had been promised by the obama administration would be next. they pulled the plug. and then came president trump, the builder. he invited a large group of us down to the white house. we had a long discussion. and we agreed and he turned to the speaker and said, nancy, nancy. how much do you need? $1.5 trillion, mr. president. no. $1.8 trillion. no. $2 trillion sounds better. ok. we agreed to come back three weeks and hammer out the details. we came back three weeks, walked in the room, had a hissy fit. the seven fake infrastructure weeks happened during the trump administration. now, the house on the first of july passed the invest act, a bill that went through the real legislative process. hour

very few know that the bill clinton administration, but taliban leadership, including some of the people were saying now were invited to the united states. they dropped in, i think, in very secretly secretively, into disney world and to target stores and did a bit of shopping. and they went to the c i and langley virginia. why? because the u. s. wanted to build one american oil company to build a natural gas pipeline from took my no stand through afghanistan to pakistan. absolutely crucial. the alternative routes with russia and a wrong that wilson hall. it was only when bush came to power george shuffling bush . his administration actually started to question the reliability of the taliban to deliver on the deal. now this steel, the head of the steel was pick tracking who became bushes. vice president john, i'll stop you there more from jerome pilcher after this break ah, join me every thursday and the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport, business and show business. i'll see you then me. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we

that i knew i, when i was either in the clinton administration or the bush administration, there of course were mistakes in the states and intelligence mistake. and now a mistake and judgment. but those, all the american people had a right to see and understand what happened and why, who did what and when there's really no reason to keep them classified. even though in president biden, executive order that he issue today. there is a little bit of a call that he's keeping for himself for the u. s. government to preserve some documents that they say are of such enormous significance to national security. it'll be interesting to see what actually does come out and what is withheld. with 17 hijackers being from saudi arabia, there has got to be more information there that have not come out. that would be embarrassing if not to the saudi government, to at least the families and people who know who knew those values who are involved . but there is, there isn't one enduring question which i had when i was in the u. s. government never got an answer to and to this day, 20 years later, i still don'

very few know about the bill clinton administration, but taliban leadership, including some of the people, were saying now were invited to the united states. they dropped in. i think it in very secretly secretively into disney world and to target stores and did a bit of shopping. and they went to the cia and langley virginia. why? because the u. s. wanted to build one american oil company to build a natural gas pipeline from took nano, stung through afghanistan to pakistan. absolutely crucial alternative routes with russia in the wrong that wilson hall. it was only when bush came to power, george shuffling bush, that his administration actually started to question the reliability of the taliban to deliver on a deal. now this steel, the head of the still was dick tracking who became bushes. vice president, john, i'll stop you there more from jerome pilcher after the break. ah, ah, ah, ah, the, who's these terrorists play by a whole set of different rules? it's going to force us in your words to get mean 30 and nasty in order to take them . all right, we'll use all tools at our disposal to

very few know that the bill clinton administration, but taliban leadership, including some of the people were saying now were invited to the united states. they dropped in. i think it in very secretly secretively into disney world and to target stores and did a bit of shopping. and they went to the c i in langley virginia. why? because the u. s. wanted to build one american oil company to build a natural gas pipeline from took manner stung through afghanistan to pakistan. absolutely crucial. the alternative routes with russia and iran that wilson hall. it was only when bush came to power, george shuffling bush that his administration actually started to question the reliability of the taliban to deliver on a deal. now the steel, the head of the still was dick tracking who became bushes. vice president, john, i'll stop you there more from jerome pilcher. after this break the news, the news having all realities to experience or even live in like a role or does my idea, you know, especially during and where you can go anywhere in the game world, go everywhere. choose the game that you want.

very few know that the bill clinton administration, but taliban leadership, including some of the people were saying now were invited to the united states. they dropped in. i think it in very secret secretively, into disney world and to target stores and did a bit of shopping. and they went to the cia and langley virginia. why? because the u. s. wanted to build one american oil company to build a natural gas pipeline from took manner stung through afghanistan to pakistan. absolutely crucial. the alternative routes with russia in the wrong that wilson hall. it was only when bush came to power, george shuffling bush that his administration actually started to question the reliability of the taliban to deliver on a deal. now this steel, the head of the still was dick tracking who became bushes. vice president john, i'll stop you there. more from jerome pill jer after this break. the news join me every thursday on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politic sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me. so what we've got to do is identify the threat

the cia was screaming warnings to the clinton administration and then the bush administration. on 9/11, there was a degree of blowback, it's true. the results of the unintended consequence of what had happened , abandoning afghanistan after 1989. that was something we did at our peril. lots of lessons to be learned from all of this. we abandoned afghanistan at our peril. if we turn our backs now, who knows what is going to happen? host: you write that bill clinton had treated al qaeda as a problem to be dealt with by legal means. the afghans fighting the taliban were begging for more american help. can you summarize how the obama and trump administrations shaped what went on in afghanistan? guest: lots of blame to go around. after this early. , the bush -- early period, the bush administration took a turn toward nationbuilding. obama was elected because of his opposition to the iraq war. he did not want to be seen as soft on foreign policy. i think some of his stuff, he was played by the generals. the good thing about the military, there is a solution to every problem. the top-

that i knew i, when i was either in the clinton administration or in the bush administration. there of course were mistakes in the states and intelligence mistakes. and now at the mistaken judgement, but those all the american people had a right to see and understand what happened and why, who did what and when there's really no reason to keep them classified. even though in president biden, executive order that he issue today. there is a little bit of a call that he's keeping for himself for the u. s. government to preserve some documents that they say are of such enormous significance to national security. it'll be interesting to see what actually does come out and what is withheld. with 17, the hijackers being from saudi arabia, there has got to be more information there that have not come out. they would be embarrassing if not to the saudi government, to at least the families and people who know who knew those saudis who are involved . but there is, there isn't one enduring question which i had when i was in the u. s. government never got an answer to and to this day, 20 y

administration or the bush administration. there of course were mistakes in the states and intelligence mistake, and now a mistaken judgement. but those, all the american people had a right to see and understand what happened and why, who did what and when there's really no reason to keep them classified. even though in president biden, executive order that he issue today. there is a little bit of a call that he's keeping for himself for the u. s. government to preserve some documents that they say are of such enormous significance to national security. it'll be interesting to see what actually does come out and what is withheld. with 17, the hijackers being from saudi arabia, there has got to be more information there that have not come out. that would be embarrassing if not to the saudi government, to at least the families and people who know who knew those saudis who are involved . but there is, there isn't one enduring question which i had when i was in the u. s. government never got an answer to and to this day, 20 years

administration or the bush administration. there of course were mistakes in the states and intelligence mistake. and now at the mistakes and judgement. but those, all the american people have a right to see and understand what happened and why, who did what and when there's really no reason to keep them classified. even though in president biden, executive order that he issue today. there is a little bit of a call that he's keeping for himself for the u. s. government to preserve some documents that they say are of such enormous significance to national security. it'll be interesting to see what actually does come out and what is withheld. with 17, the hijackers being from saudi arabia, there has got to be more information there that has not come out. that would be embarrassing if not to the saudi government, to at least the families and people who know who knew those values who are involved . but there is, there isn't one enduring question which i had when i was in the u. s. government never got an answer to and to this day,

i did it after the clinton administration and the inauguration and i put that away in my desk. i never thought i could write a book. over the reunion weekend a lot of the former training officers were there and they were all meeting each other some for the first time and some had known each other for years and i here heard many of them talking about how to capture some of the history and they have learned later many had their own story. i first realized i could write the book as far security so it was possible. i did want to write anything that was unattractive to any president and a new i could read 15 stories of other commanding officers from kennedy forward and that would bring the history of a lot of the camp together and the ceos you will see their stories and their photos. and i would use it that way to tell a historical narrative of some of the personal insights. some people wanted third in stories but that wasn't the purpose or wanted to show respect and to tell the story. a little bit about the inside workings and how the military supports the president 24/7. >> thank

i did it after the clinton administration and the inauguration and i put that away in my desk. i never thought i could write a book. over the reunion weekend a lot of the former training officers were there and they were all meeting each other some for the first time and some had known each other for years and i here heard many of them talking about how to capture some of the history and they have learned later many had their own story. i first realized i could write the book as far security so it was possible. i did want to write anything that was unattractive to any president and a new i could read 15 stories of other commanding officers from kennedy forward and that would bring the history of a lot of the camp together and the ceos you will see their stories and their photos. and i would use it that way to tell a historical narrative of some of the personal insights. some people wanted third in stories but that wasn't the purpose or wanted to show respect and to tell the story. a little bit about the inside workings and how the military supports the president 24/7. >> thank

he served as deputy representative in the clinton administration. he has worked for secretary of state henry kissinger strategic. pfizer firm and founder fischer capital management and has earned an bachelor's degrees and it b.a. from stanford. i know will be a fascinating conversation and gentlemen thank you again and with that taken away richard. >> thank you liz and i want to introduce jeffrey beyond what was stated in the book. he and i have been friends now for 44 years. jeffrey is a true public servant. he went to dartmouth and then he went into the army where he was a lieutenant in the 82nd airborne followed by his father who was in the korean war and was also it world war ii bettman -- bet there will vietnam war veteran. jeffrey is served in the nixon carter and ford administrations. i had the privilege of meeting jeffrey nguyen both of us were called to write a memoranda for president carter on economic policy issues and he has gone on since to be a director at lehman brothers to serve on corporate boards and as you mentioned liz the very d

administration's epa overreach as well and from there she went on to become the national committeewoman for the republican party in wyoming, a push she vacated into this race. great to see you tonight. you supported liz cheney in the past and even donated to her yet now you are running to unseat her. what has changed? >> thank you for having me. wonderful to be on your show and it is very simple, liz cheney has betrayed wyoming, she betrayed all of us and she betrayed me, had i known five years ago that liz cheney would align herself of pelosi and the radical democrats in washington dc i wouldn't have taken that first phone call. the state of wyoming deserves to be represented by someone from wyoming, someone born and raised here as i was and someone who has wyoming's best interests at heart. that's why am running to be the next congresswoman from the state of wyoming. >> specifically on what issues do you take issue with her? >> server once was one of the primary ones is she aligned with pelosi and the radical democrats earlier this year to vote to impeach donald trump without due proc

she fought the clinton administration epa overreach as well and from there she went on to become the national committee woman for the republican party in wyoming, a post she just vacated to enter this race. harriet hagerman joins me now, it's great to see you tonight. you supported liz cheney in the past, you have even donated to her. now you are running to unseat or come pray tell what has changed? >> thank you for having me, it's wonderful to be on your show and it's very simple. liz cheney has betrayed wyoming, she's betrayed all of us and she's betrayed me. had i known five years ago that liz cheney would align herself with pelosi and radical democrats in washington, d.c., i probably wouldn't have even taken that first phone call. the fact is the state of wyoming deserves to be represented by someone from wyoming, someone who was born and raised here as i was and someone who has wyoming's best interest at heart. that's why i'm running to be the next congresswoman from the state of wyoming. >> laura: specifically on what issues you take issue with her? >> there are several ones, o

so in the 1990s, you have a cia persistly warning the clinton administration and the obama administration warning about al-quaida. that warned about al-quaida. the situation now they're back to the dark days of the 1990s. >> martha: we heard the fbi director say lone wolves were his biggest concern here in the united states. people are concerned. nine in ten people say taliban control pose as threat to the united states. 55% say a major threat. 34% say a minor threat. has president biden kept his promise to get american after agains out of afghan, 52% say no. seems like there's a lot of dissatisfaction with the way the administration has handled this situation, toby. >> yeah, absolutely. you know, i've been talking to the surviving members of team alpha. there's still six alive. shannon spann, the widow of mike spann in recent weeks. they are working sort of day and night, almost every waking hour to get afghan allies out. they're not being helped by the u.s. government. so i have an interpreter that worked for me the end of last year when i spent six weeks in afghanistan when it was clea

in the seventies and then again at the end of the clinton administration and all proposals assume the continuing validity of the executive branch ruling. it is something that could be overturned fall that takes is the justice department who doesn't think that's the t right part of the law they have a very strong rule of starry decisiveness an issue to look twice but it is conceivable they would change it i don't know the administration's plans on that. >> i don't know. i have no qualms with the two opinions of those presidents that are facing criminal investigation and impeachment that doesn't suggest in and of itself they are wrong but i am concerned away those opinions are constructed and now we have a problem that we discussed in the book but then while the president is not in office then they cannot be prosecuted. but then when they leave office there is a general sense with afford nixon partisan then to prosecute so now jack can speak to this but he is now arguing the that conduct fire is immune from prosecution they are to be suspended and that we debate in the book it is a conc

administration republicans challenged it. supreme court ruled it is constitutional provided taxpayers are given notice it is interesting here i just reported that the president, when he announced his plan, said it would be retroactive. his date was the announcement of the tax plan the house, the same thing. effective date, according to them, september 13th there is precedent it is legal. the question is will the moderates go along with the retroactive tax which some see as punitive. if you don't do it, everyone will get out ahead and sell before the rate hike. >> it is razor thin margins. it is no votes in the senate you can't have one swing from the democratic side. it is only three that can be swung in the house again, a very interesting story for sure on the tax tied robert frank, thank you. >>> coming up, don't be lulled to sleep by the market with we have big investment ideas with the ever, ever, ever popular kari firestone many of her stk ckcongocpis mi up after the break ♪ ♪ this is worth. that takes wealth. but th

and the clinton administration. with that, with no further ado i bring my friend to the podium. [applause] thank you all for having me. it's good to be back in cleveland. thanks for c-span. this is my 11th appearance. i don't know if anyone has done more, but in the era of cancel culture, what i like about booktv is that they don't edit you can't tell you what to say or what not to say and which is i suspect indicative of brian lamb, so thank you all. i was thinking about this today, a thought experiment where i walk into the newsroom if they have me and i would ask them where did george washington spend the first year of his life and they would look at me like everyone knows the answer to this, and they would say virginia. and they would say get more specific and say the northeast part of virginia. and if i ask when was george washington born, a lot of them could probably tell me the year. i could tell you without even looking it up, 1732. many of them use to celebrate the day at a day apart could tell me what day

administration. congress has an absolute right to subpoena those records and i think what they have done is exactly appropriate. >> paul, i have to ask you about the california recall. if they remove the governor, the conservative radio host larry elder could become the governor of california and he said he will flip the senate by replacing senator dianne feinstein if she retires with a republican senator. what do you think of that and do you think the cost is clear for the governor of california because that's what you're hearing from a lot of democrats. the latest poll shows he's fine but the republican voters out there in california are motivated and the recall process favors them to some extent. >> absolutely. i know you know this and barbara does but our viewers should understand in california, governor could get 49% and get tossed out of office and replaced by the radio host who is only pulling at 24%. that's just the way their system works. newsom has to be over 50%. democrats and republicans

bush got a subpoena for documents on bill clinton's administration. because the idea is that the privilege protects the presidency as an office, as an institution, and not any one individual. and even if donald trump somehow as the former president has a right to invoke executive privilege, it doesn't mean he wins. if donald trump's going to try to challenge these subpoenas with executive privilege, he's got a serious, uphill legal battle. >> a lot of precedent potential here. another viewer asks if a witness refuses to testify in congress, can they be criminally prosecuted? >> yes, but it's easier in theory than in practice. congress can refer a case to doj to consider bringing a prosecution. there's a federal crime for contempt of congress. it's a misdee meanor. if we look at resent precedent, doj under both political parties has repeatedly declined to bring criminal charges. merit garland is going to have to make this decision. he's got to start thinking about that now because that could be coming his way with these four witnesses. >> our final cro

administration and then all the validityume of an executive branch ruling at something could be overturned if all that it chases the justice department were no longer do that and then but i don't know what the administration's plans are aboutbo that. >> i don't know. so those that are facing a criminal investigation and impeachmentve that is in and of itself but i am concerned about the way those opinions were constructed and i think that they now have a problem that we discussed in the book with a slight difference of opinion that on the one hand or swimming atnt the president is in office cannot be investigated but not prosecuted but when you leave office there is a general sense of the aftermath of the for the nixon party that it is so divisive for one administration to prosecute the former of another administration but the better part of wisdom is just not to do it but that conduct prior now not arguing any pending prosecutions.to be suspended because a concern that some have is that looking at a prior administration with a concerted effort if the laws were broken and onid that basis p

they were hoping for jobs in the hillary clinton administration, right? so you know, you see the former president obama was briefed about this according to dni ratcliff's declassification of former cia chief john brennan's notes of his meeting that hillary's foreign policy advisor suggested and proposed a plan to vilify trump by connecting trump allegedly with russia. it all fell apart. mueller didn't touch any of this. the mueller report didn't touch any part of this. former policy advisor for the hillary clinton campaign is nsa jake sullivan for biden now. what do you say to this, final word? >> he has questions he will have to answer. he is in the thick of this. he is sitting in the white house right now. he is going to have to answer some questions as are a lot of other people working with him. elizabeth: okay, congressman chris stewart, great to have you back on. come back soon. >>> later this hour more on how the impact of the border crisis is being felt in america's heartland. drug gangs slamming law enforcement thousands of miles away from the bor

and again at the end of the clinton administration. our proposals assume that executive branch ruling. something that could be overturned as it is owned with the administration's plans are i have qualms ofav the two opinions are facing a criminal investigation and impeachment. that does not suggest in and of themselves that they were wrong. i am concerned about how they constructed. i think we now have a problem jack knight discussed in the book, is a slight opinion how to address theis problem. it cannot be prosecuted they can be investigated but not prosecuted, the guidance can be broad. when they leave officers a general sense, the aftermath of the ford nixon pardon with the advice is for one administration to prosecute the former president of another, is such a dangerous road to travel there. the better part of wisdom is just not to do it. as jack points out in the book and he can speak to this himself of course, he is not arguing the conduct prior to becoming president is not immune from prosecution not arguing any prosecutions ne

i guess with the arrival and advent of the clinton administration, they were having almost daily events, very crafty use of media time and attention for kind of customer service items. the small stuff of american life that eventually writ large became the stuff of executive actions i believe you're writing about in here. >> that's exactly right. people say it's a shame that the presidents have usurped congressional power to which the answer is if only they had usurped it. congress under both parties has been all too willing to hand over on a silver tray the power of presidents of both parties. but it's become particularly bad under a conservative president because conservativs used to say it is very important that public opinion become temporate and reasonable. instead conservatism has bought into the reverse of conseratism which is populism. they think they should buy presidents into policy without reference to other institutions. further more, the idea that mr. trump and the republican party in its continued loyalty to them had ideas as evidenced by the nonexistent 2020 platform. the

the first term of the clinton administration. then, president bush did nothing on the issue. president obama came in talking about infrastructure investment. he passed the american recovery act that invested 4% of all that money in infrastructure. i worked with chairman jim oberstar. i chaired the subcommittee. we wrote a very ambitious surface transportation re-authorization which he had been promised by the obama administration would be next. they pulled the plug. and then came president trump, the builder. he invited a large group of us down to the white house. we had a long discussion. and we agreed and he turned to the speaker and said, nancy, nancy. how much do you need? $1.5 trillion, mr. president. no. $1.8 trillion. no. $2 trillion sounds better. ok. we agreed to come back three weeks and hammer out the details. we came back three weeks, walked in the room, had a hissy fit. the seven fake infrastructure weeks happened during the trump administration. now, the house on the first of july passed the invest act, a bill that went through the real legislative process. hour

that was repealed under the clinton administration. there was the period after september 11 2001, very difficult to protest new york city. part of what made occupy so improbable is it was illegal to have unpermitted gatherings of more than 20 people. the left was demoralized, fragmented, beaten down. something changed in that year. your reporter touched on this. people were watching this movement around the world, the arab spring, the square, spain, were. people thinking, we have to do something. maybe we can protest and make a difference. that first day 10 years ago today, you have to say -- i went to zucotti park in march from bowling green up to zucotti park . it was powerful but not because there were so many people, not because there are thousands of people but because it was a space where those of us who felt things were wrong could come together and meet each other and talk -- we had to express our discontent and outrage. it was a major shift. 10 years later, i think we can see occupy inaugurated the social movement renaissance.

feels like we're back in 1998 when the clinton administration was warned about this. remember in 1993 the world trade center attack was a warm-up to 2001. we had no personal assets on the ground. the state department conceded they needed taliban authorization to let americans go. watch this. >> without personnel on the ground we can't verify the accuracy of manifests, the identities of passengers, flight plans or aviation security protocals. so this is a challenge. elizabeth: a challenge? seriously? why didn't they understand that ahead of time, senator, when everyone else in the country did? now he says this after they pulled out troops first? did they think it would be like working with the dmv of afghanistan who arrested u.s. citizens? there is no paperwork there. our citizens and allies are left behind terror lines. your reaction, senator? >> my reaction is what i her from our allies in the uk and brussels this past weekend when i was there meeting with our allies, talking to them about their frustration to the situation. they emphasized to me, what we happened we

whether it was criticizing the bush administration or the clinton administration. what we found after 9/11 was that our intelligence community in particular wasn't organized in a way to give us a fighting chance of success. that is one of the lessons the 9/11 commission was so instrumental in teaching the american people and led to fundamental reforms of our intelligence community. >> i would agree with her here that i served in the intelligence committee before, during, after 9/11 and after the reforms from the commission became law and were up lamented. changes in the community are profound. the integration of the agency's work, intelligence sharing are vastly improved. that sharing is best with respect to counterterrorism. the culture of the institutions has changed profoundly and in a positive direction. i concur with what she said. >> thank you. >> i would concur with both of my colleagues on the panel today. the organization matters. structure and the mission matters. one of the things when i look at the threat landscape today, my day job is running the cyber

this executive reportedly later said he was offered a top security job in the clinton administration. they were building dossiers on trump campaign officials, michael flynn, george manafort, carter page. using none public internet data traffic to of those individual i.p. addresses. they are mining data, researchers out of universities funded with federal grants. they had security clearances in the intelligence community. these researches saying, this feels quote, bogus. all we got to go on, they hate trump. and they were told just give enough to provide the base of a very useful narrative. you don't have to look for proof. right? so this feels like this is going to be more charges coming, privacy charges, grant fraud, contract fraud, mail fraud, conspiracy, go ahead. >> wire fraud, yes. it is interesting, as the tech analysts were looking at the data, this won't withstand any kind of scrutiny. there is nothing here. but it was interesting, this tech executive, we don't know who it is. the internet is full of guesses who this person is, but they didn't say look for the truth. was there

administrations of their obligation to accept those who had once been at the center of foreign policy negotiations, and it was this passionate advocacy on the part of american jewish groups that facilitated the entrance of over 358,000 former soviets most of them -- from 1990 to 1998. but here are some other examples. following the 1989 tiananmen square massacre congress worked hard to pass legislation to allow chinese students studying in the united states to remain here. many chinese students were afraid to return home because they had been vocal supporters of the student protesters at tiananmen. and now they were afraid to go home and perhaps face retaliation on the part of the government. president george herbert walker bush objected to these congressional initiatives and large part because he feared that it might strain diplomatic relations with beijing. but in the end his administration bowed to domestic and congressional pressure. and the emergency chinese immigration relief act allowed some 80,000 chinese students and faculty to remain in the united states and become a permane

in the 70s and again at the end of the clinton administration, and our proposals assume the continuing validity of that executive branch ruling. i will allow bob speak to this, but it is something that could be overturned. all it would take for the justice department to decide it is no longer part of the law. it's conceivable they will change it. i don't know what the administration's plans are about that. bob, do you have thoughts about that? >> i don't know. i do have qualms with the two opinions. they were boast issued in the administrations -- they were both issued in the administrations of presidents who were facing criminal investigation and impeachment. that doesn't suggest in and of itself that they were wrong, but i am concerned about the way those opinions were constructed, and i think that we now have a problem that jack and i discuss in the book, with a slight difference of opinion on how to address the problem, that on the one hand, people assume if the president is in office, that he or she cannot be prosecuted, can be investigated but not prosecuted. indictments can't be

i want to bring in a former senior official in the clinton administration and host of the deep state radio podcast. his op-ed in the atlantic has been getting a lot of attention which he says biden deserves credit and not blame for afghanistan. that's where i want to start, david. this has been getting a lot of attention what you wrote there. basically what you're going to say here which is narrative, you're saying that the narrative is out there other the last few weeks that what has happened in afghanistan the last few weeks is somehow a disaster. and the criticism that has been levied on the president. you are basically arguing it's all wrong. you need to look at this differently. >> well, i'm not saying it's all wrong. but what i'm saying is let's get our priorities straight. we've been in a war for 20 years. the war hasn't achieved any of its goals. it cost $2 trillion. 800 thousand americans served. 170,000 people died. the more terrorists in the world today than there were when we started. the taliban has been gaining strength for years and years. people have been arguing to g

i was general counsel of the air force during the clinton administration. i was back in private law practice for eight months. my first reaction is, i got to get back in there. i want to be in washington. i want to be at the pentagon. i wanted to devote myself to national security and had a chance to do that in the obama administration beginning in 2009. i was there in the command center at the pentagon may 1st, 2011, which was probably my single finest day as a public servant, the day we got osama bin laden. and for me, as well as a lot of others, a lot of new yorkers, a lot of americans, there was a feeling of some closure when we got bin laden as a result of what he inspired on 9/11. the threats are new. a lot has happened in 20 years. you and i are a little older, a little grayer, the threats are new and we have to stay one step ahead of them, wolf. >> you certainly do. thanks so much for your service. thanks so much for joining us. we will be commemorating this 20th anniversary all day tomorrow here on cnn as well. thank you very, very much. >> thanks