>> well, first of all, he doesn't like mitch mcconnell. it's vindictive and it's petty, and he's not going to find republicans eager to get up and challenge mitch mcconnell as "the wall street journal" pointed out. people believe he's been a very good leader. scott jennings knows a lot about mitch mcconnell and has been close to him. look, i think he -- he says mitch mcconnell said on the floor of the senate that i provoked the insurrection. mitch mcconnell didn't vote to decertify the election, right? he don't like him, and he wants to make trouble for him, and he's supporting candidates to run that mitch mcconnell doesn't run because he thinks that they would lose and that would endanger getting back a majority. the president is playing games here and i think given internal senate politics he's going to lose this one if he's real serious about it. >> scott, you worked with mitch mcconnell. what do you think he does with this? >> well, he's not engaged with trump since really december, and he won't talk about him publicly because mcconnel

>> reporter: donald trump is trying to take his feud with mitch mcconnell to the next level. of course it's no secret these two had a falling out in the wake of the 2022 election even though mitch mcconnell did not vote to convict trump in the impeachment trial he strongly condemned him for his rhetoric and behavior leading up to january 6th and privately blamed trump for the pair of losses in the georgia senate races. now trump, who is known to hold a grudge and already on a revenge campaign, is actively trying to find someone who challenge mcconnell for gop leader, according to "the wall street journal." there appears to be little, if any appetite inside the republican conference to do that, even tommy tuberville, one of trump's top allies in the senate told "the wall street journal" he thinks mitch mcconnell is doing a good job and this is not a fight he wants to engage in. it speaks to a few points. number one, mitch mcconnell is widely viewed as an effective and respected leader inside the conference. keep in mind there is a 6-3 conservative majority on the supreme court

let's talk about mitch mcconnell. a broad question to you, when i pretty much know you think about on a regular occasion. that is, where did this nihilism come from? take the case of mitch mcconnell, a guy who is a complete product of the system. where did it come from that he now is okay burning the system down? >> well look, the situation here brian is a feature not of -- for mitch mcconnell. i don't think this came naturally for him out of birth. it came from the fact that this is what republican voters want from him. he realized that he could be nihilistic and get what he wants, just powerful power sake. you know, if you roll back the clock to the garland debate, the fact that mitch mcconnell got away with that and was able to essentially steal a supreme court seat demonstrated him that he suffers no political penalty for acts like this. the only way to get mitch mcconnell the changes actions is to ensure that he suffers a political penalty. i think you saw him change only temporarily, but somewhat after the loss

so this is what mitch mcconnell is prepared to do apparently for political reasons. i don't understand the political calculus here because i think the american people will hold him responsible if there is damage done. >> what is happening here is if the democrats bring up a change to the debt ceiling mitch mcconnell is saying that republicans will actually require a 60-vote threshold. they will block it. they don't have to do that. it used to be that no one would dare try to bring a 60-vote threshold to a must pass bill like a debt ceiling or other things in the senate but now mcconnell is saying, you will need 60 votes to do that. you won't get the republican votes. and therefore he is kind of in effect saying, democrats should just do it in their reconciliation bill. >> well, you're making a very important point, which is what mitch mcconnell and the republicans should do of course is what they did throughout donald trump's term, which is to vote to lift the debt ceiling. if they don't want to do that, they don't want to provide security for the country's economy,

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so this is what mitch mcconnell is prepared to do, apparently for political reasons. i don't understand his calculus here, i think the american people will hold him responsible if there is damage done. >> so what is happening here is that if the democrats -- if chuck schumer brings up a change to the debt ceiling, mcconnell is saying that the republicans will require a 60 vote threshold, they will block it. they don't have to do that. it used to be that no one would dare try to bring a 60 vote threshold to a must pass bill like a debt ceiling or other things in the senate. but now mcconnell is saying you will need 60 votes to do that, you won't get the republican votes to do that. and therefore he is in effect saying, democrats should just do it in the reconciliation bill. >> you are making a very important point, which is mitch mcconnell and the republicans should do, what they should do versus what they did during donald trump's term, which is to lift the debt ceiling. but if they don't want to do that, if they don't want to provide security for the country's econom

i think that mitch mcconnell is being extremely cynical. if it came down to it, let's just say maybe a couple of democratic senators had to go into covid quarantine and couldn't make the vote. mitch mcconnell wouldn't let the country default on its debt. we had this debate in 2013. i was working for people that wanted to have spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling which i still think is a pretty good policy because if we're going to keep spending this money, maybe we should get it under control. mitch mcconnell didn't want to do it but he crossed over and voted with the democrats to raise that debt ceiling. so he is being cynical, hypocritical, yes, but let's just call him a bare knuckled partisan because that's really how he's acting here. in my view. >> amanda, it's more than that because look at the rule that he is setting up. he is saying now, the majority party should have to raise the debt ceiling by itself without any votes from the minority party. that's what he is saying. but at the same time, the minority party sho

i think that mitch mcconnell is being extremely cynical. if it came down to it, let's just say maybe a couple of democratic senators had to go into covid quarantine and couldn't make the vote. mitch mcconnell wouldn't let the country default on its debt. we had this debate in 2013. i was working for people that wanted to have spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling which i still think is a pretty good policy because if b we're going to keep spending this money, maybe we should get it under control. mitch mcconnell didn't want to do it but he crossed over and voted with the democrats to raise that debt ceiling. so he is being cynical, hypocritical, yes, but let's just call him a bare knuckled partisan because that's really how he's acting here. in my view. >> amanda, it's more than that because look at the rule that he is setting up. he is saying now, the majority party should have to raise the debt ceiling by itself without any votes from the minority party. that's what he is saying. but at the same time, the minority party s

the person who broke it was mitch mcconnell. he took the unprecedented step of blocking a nominee, refusing to even have a hearing, refusing to have a hearing on a nominee by the president, and he received no punishment for that. democrats didn't punish him. voters didn't punish him. the court itself didn't punish hichl him. neil gorsuch didn't. mitch mcconnell will continue do his court-breaking political maneuvers, and until the democrats grow some kind of -- i don't want to say backbone because it sounds like i'm pulling things out of the air. there are concrete things democrats could do to depoliticize the court. one would be to expand the number of justices on the supreme court so each individual confirmation bat sri lanka not a life-or-death decision. if one goes down, that's a huge political ideal. if there were 19 justices, 29 justices as there are on the ninth circuit court, they could do it in a bipartisan position, you get five, i get five. they won't do that, so mitch mcconnell is going to keep winning the street bra

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coming from mitch mcconnell and his republican band of brothers in the united states. they launched a political war, that could hold our troops paychecks hostage, threatening a government default that could stop military pay. threatening the security of 1.4 million active duty troops. the people who fly the skies, course the se, and run towards danger. to defenand protect the united states. military families using who struggle to get by in the best of times. cut off from their pay in the middle of a pandemic. hey mitch, knock off the politics andpay our patriots. >> vote eventto take us off the air, and with that our tuesday night broadcast with us on behf of all our colleagues at the network of nbc news, goodnight. we >>tonight on all in, the anti-vaccine grift, why would a political movement do so much to sicken its own supporters? >> the sign and shows that the vaccine will not necessarily protect you. >> maybe it doesn't work and they're simply not telling you. that >> tonight blockbusters news reporting from the daily beast on who is getting rich from sewing vacci

coming from mitch mcconnell and his republican band of brothers in the united states senate. they have launched political war that could hold our troops' paychecks hostage, threatening a government default that could stop military pay, threatening the security of 1 hadn't 4 million active duty troops, the people who fly skies, course the seas, and run toward danger to defend and protect the united states. thank you don for joining us. won a criminal complaint is filed in a case like this,

that's what mitch mcconnell is doing right now. that's what the republican party is doing right now. they're telling americans they're going to let the country default on its debt, which would be economically devastating because they're not going to pay their own bill. >> first of all, we would need barnacle's help even to get in that club. you and i can't get in on our own. >> true that. >> i think the argument democrats have been making correctly this was debt racked up under president trump, debt from both parties, and republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling repeatedly, when a republican was in office and democrats have done that when a republican was in office. so there's the extraordinary and accurate claim of hypocrisy here, the nation could default for the first time. we heard the warnings in the financial markets. we her treasury secretary yellen say how devastating this would be for the u.s. and its global reputation and economy at home were this to happen. simply, it's the republicans. we all who do this in washington

mcconnell and susan collins and mitch mcconnell and lisa murkowski and they are, and the rob portmans, and they have just been re-elected and we will get ten votes, but it is not happening. one other point here, and this is going to remind me of the merrick garland situation of 2015. >> do it. >> and i remember sitting in the white house and talking to denis mcdonough, the then white house chief of staff, and he is going to fold on garland's nomination for the supreme court, and said, respectfully, you are wrong, this is mitch mcconnell. and democrats hypnotize themselves, and he is exactly who he is. >> and that is why people need to spend more time reading the punch bowl and bresnahan and your pals there, and not believing the left wing twitter. thank you, and we will be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." and check the chuck toddcast, and we will unpack california and how it applies nationally. we will have much more msnbc news daily with geoff bennett. . n to apply with sofi loans, just based on the interest rate and how much i would be saving. there was only one that

he sees mitch mcconnell sitting in the u.s. senate. what would you tell stephen breyer about what he should do? some think he should retire while democrats control the senate so they can get a more liberal justice in now, in case democrats lose the senate. what would you tell breyer? >> retire now or retire during this session or at the end of this session. be replaced. because this is, of course, what happened when we lost ginsberg. he's going to pull a merrick garland again, mcconnell, and he said he would. it's not like -- you know, that's shameless. the principle upon which he didn't take up merrick garland was that it was an election year. then, of course, comey barrett was seated nine days before the election. so he's a shameless hypo -- you know, he is just shameless. if i were breyer, it is his decision, but i think he should retire. >> again, dealing with mitch mcconnell, other than changing the filibuster rules, which you've talked about and you're very much for, how can democrats get what they want or work around mitch mccon

um, i also talked to mitch mcconnell walking in. and i asked him, i said do you think that leaders should be encouraging their members not to be attending this? and i didn't get a response. but those are the questions you saw kevin mccarthy saying that he doesn't think any of his members are. they're not entirely speaking out against the event or saying don't attend the event. but they are trying to kind of, you know, basically be a little bit more quiet ahead of the rally without upsetting the base or members by speaking out against it. >> yeah. so this is interesting. i would have figured. so we have seen marjorie taylor greene, i think paul gosar, i think matt gaetz doing things like showing up at department of justice at some points, sort of demanding to see the political -- the quote/unquote political prisoners. i would have guessed they would go to this. it strikes me that there was some back and forth in that caucus about this as maybe not a great look to attend. >> well, you know, i -- i don't know if there have been any kin

>> top congressional leaders pelosi kevin mccarthy mitch mcconnell, and chuck schumer. all of them received a briefing about the potential threat of the rally. pelosi and schumer both walked out and said that they believe they feel more prepared. compared to january six, where we know the intelligence report suggested that the intelligence once and being shared properly, and that led to the security failures. i also talked to mitch mcconnell walking, in and i asked him, do you think leader should be encouraging their members not to be attending this? and i did not get a response. but those are the questions you saw kevin mccarthy saying that he doesn't think any of his members are. they're not entirely speaking out against the event. or seeing don't attend the event. but they're trying to kind of basically be a little bit more quiet, ahead of the rally. without upsetting the base or numbers by speaking out against. it >> this is interesting, i would've figured we've seen marjorie taylor greene and matt gates, doing things like showing up the department of justice demand

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mitch mcconnell is holding us hostage and putting us on the brink of catastrophe. republicans will not rubberstamp reckless spending. if democrats want to go it alone , they can go it alone. republicans saying tie it to this reconciliation. senator todd young, republican, saying a vote to raise the debt limit is a vote to cosign on the unprecedented spending spree and republicans will not be complicit. robbie, florida, you support the increase of the debt limit. why? caller: the reason why, the last time we had a balanced budget was under a democratic regime, the clinton regime. but by raising the debt ceiling we can take care of some of the problems that have gotten worse under the pandemic. the reason why republicans are against it is because of a power struggle. the first thing when trump came in, they relieved the wealthy and the large corporations from having to pay taxes. those taxes are money collected that pay for the things we need. we need to make sure that any bills in terms of infrastructure are paid for and that's what the democrats have done, by rolli

how is mitch mcconnell justifying saying that republicans, that he believes they have to do the debt limit, that it has to be done. important for the country. can't let the country go into default. but republicans won't vote for it at all, and the democrats will have to carry it themselves, even though democrats unanimously voted for three donald trump debt limit raises helping republicans when they were in charge. >> reporter: there's no consistency in the position by mcconnell. this is purely an opportunity by republicans to cause democrats political pain. and when you're in the minority across all of government, you don't have much of an agenda of your own, mainly what you can do is make life miserable for the other side when you so choose. that's basically what republicans are doing. the argument boils down to they say democrats have shown little interest working with republicans as they spent trillions, whether it was on the first covid relief package earlier this year passed by democrat only votes or the new 3.5 reconciliation bill, expected to be passed by only democratic vote

mitch mcconnell. he was able to push through 300 federal judges on the bench, during the trump administration. we the democratic party, are the only group that never talked about the. course and mitch mcconnell knew with this was going. that's why he has three supreme court justices, and that's why he's that is over 300 federal judges. we are in trouble if the democrats cannot get kristen cinema, and joe cinema on board. our democracy is weaning, coming to its and right now, and that is not me being hyperbolic, that is absolutely the truth. no voting. no democracy jonathan please stick around we're just getting started, thank you for pulling that triple duty forest. good to see my friend. coming up after america's 20 a war in afghanistan, there's a lot to unpack. nbc's new york angle joins me here on set, the head of a special edition of an assignment airing tonight, on msnbc at 10 pm. and when we come back traditional philosophy, versus political party, while some are calling justice amy caliber's la

and a long relationship with mitch mcconnell. he understands -- i love the quote that sahil brought us about the hostage with mitch mcconnell. he is someone who is shrewd strategically on these matters and at the same time he is testing the ground here of a thin democratic majority. this is action from mitch mcconnell that appears more dangerous than we have typically seen for someone who is risk averse when it comes to threatening the country's economic sovereignty with the debt limit. so the answer is the president is tied up with foreign policy at the moment in terms of his public stage, at the u.n., having other meetings, dealing with those things. we have not seen what they're prepared to do behind the scenes, but the biden agenda really has to be set in the first year of this presidency given the midterms coming and given the nier oweness of the majorities. so he's got a lot riding on this and has to be involved at some point. >> during the bipartisan infrastructure talks steve rish ety was the point person from the white h

right next to mitch mcconnell. as then-senate majority leader, mcconnell invented one precedent in 2016. he refused a hearing on merrick garland's nomination because it was within eight months of an election. he then reversed that precedent in 2020 to rush amy coney barrett to the supreme court less than one month before an election. yes, she chose that setting, next to mitch mcconnell, to complain that the supreme court is unfairly viewed as partisan in this country, believe it or not. to help viewers understand why this outrage lasted all week, we thought it would help to use two different references. now, for viewers my age and perhaps older, you see what amy coney barrett said is kind of like this clip. >> i'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here. >> your winnings, sir. >> oh, thank you very much. >> if you're a younger viewer and have no idea what that reference was, this is more like it. >> i'm going to throw a hot dog shaped car through the window. >> the driver's gone. >> somebody call

you know mitch mcconnell cares about, all that dark money deference those. elections and gets where that money comes from? it doesn't come from mom and pop, down the corner got drugstore. it comes from major corporations in this country. and i can assure you he is going to have a moment where his stomach will clinch over whether or not he is going to be able to get the money he needs dark money to take the senate if he does this to the economy. eugene, give me an on the fly column of 60 seconds or so. reminding everyone that joe biden was elected having been there on his experience and competence. and while folks like us have learned never to draw conclusions about a moment in time, because tomorrow everything can change, if time stopped tonight, what's your column say? with his agenda frozen? what happened? is there a leading reason, to you? >> well, i guess i am not quite sure about the premise. it's unclear to me that the agenda is frozen. if time stopped tonight, we wouldn't know how it ended, right? we wouldn't know what eventually happened. and my posi

mitch mcconnell has amazing nerve. i mean, the republicans did this three times during trump, they raised the debt ceiling. and i think it's time to do away with this. you know, it seems to me when you vote to spend money, you are voting to raise the debt sealing because that's what they're defending. that americans won't understand what this is. it sounds like to americans that they're raising the limit on their credit card. no, they're not doing that. all they're doing is paying their bills. that's all they're doing. so, the notion they want to play political gains with america paying its bills is astounding to me. that they are trying to withhold every single vote. democrats always gave them votes on the debtd ceiling, always. >> so, eugene, tonight, among other things, we're thinking of george floyd. so much for the most impactful summer of protests thinl history of this republic, being the imitous for police reform. if you ask senate negotiators, not so much. and so it ends with a whimper. >> and one of our major

the democrats had the opportunity on saturday to start the process that mitch mcconnell laid out that said that he would allow to go forward and they refused to doyt. at the start of the budget hearing on saturday i made a motion, i made a motion to postpone the hearing until monday so that we could revise it and start the process that mitch mcconnell suggested. they failed to do it. it's in their hands they control the house they control the white house they control the senate. and they have the process and the tools at hand to raise the debt limit by themselves and they're refusing to do it. mr. scalise: they vice president even gotten a congressional budget office score for the massive tax and spending they plan to bring to the floor possibly this week. we asked for a c.b.o. score. they acknowledged they don't have one and my not bring it to the floor with a score. so nobody knows what the cost of this is. we know it's in the massive trillions. the number only keeps going up. that's the biggest concern is every time you get a resiezed estimate because it's not even official the est

senator manchin met with minute majority leader mitch mcconnell to pitch voting rights. he left the meeting telling reporters he was, quote, optimistic, but mcconnell doubled down on the party's complete opposition. >> there is no rational basis for the federal government taking over how we conduct elections in this country. every state conducts elections differently. you're watching some states pass their laws, based upon the experience we had last year, during a 100-year pandemic. what do all of these new laws have in common? none of them, not one, is designed to suppress the vote based upon race. so, there is no reason for the federal government to take over how we conduct elections. it is a solution in search of a problem. and we will not be supporting that. >> some democrats are reportedly now hoping that thisological show senator manchin that bipartisanship is impossible for voting rights and may get him to back the filibuster exemption. joining us now, co-founder of punch bol news, anna farmer, she's also an msnbc contributor. reconciliation, avoiding a shutdown.

it would be a catastrophe but let me quote mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell said the following. he said not supporting the debt limit suspension assures congress will not throw this into the thriving economy. they didn't want to throw and unnecessary wrench into the job growth. today to do that we urge him to stop holding the debt and the economy hostage. again we will be upholding our values and we will have legislation on the security interests that we have in the middle east by putting additional funding in the defensive system to negotiate in that support it's vital for american security and we pray for innocent lives lost on either side of these arguments. tomorrow, led by the congresswoman we are passing the health protection act. it's a very exciting day for some of us in the congress. we've long been supporters of roe v wade but we haven't been able to codify. every woman everywhere has a constitutional right to basic reproductive health but that has been questioned by some. it goes beyond the discussion and it has evoked a response. this is probably why you are all here

senators, democrat, republican and independent do their job, then we can prove to mitch mcconnell that we can indeed have a free and fair election system that responds not only to the record turnout we saw but the record response we are seeing that continues the insurgency. we need to make certain that no matter where you live in america your right to vote is real and protected. and i call on mitch mcconnell and all his colleagues to stand with democrats and say we believe in patriotism over partisanship and the freedom to vote act is going to be the bill that makes it so. >> stacey abrams, great to get the chance to talk to you tonight. >> thank you for having me. >>> president biden was in colorado today. he's been chris crossing the country quite a bit touring a renewable energy lab as part of his big push. and an ambitious part of his agenda is the plan for over half of all new cars sold by 2030 to be electric. we talked about it a bit on this show, but i finally got to have an in-depth conversation about the electric vehicle revolution with bloomberg reporter dana hall in my podca

there's a -- >> mitch mcconnell's decided to play politics, don. as you said, they did it three times for president trump, they did it countless times with president obama. it's what the government has to do to continue to go forward. and mitch mcconnell's decided that he wants to draw a line in the sand and see if he can hold his base together. because his party has a similar problem. they're warring with themselves too. the trumpians who are trying to continue to run this party and you have traditionalists like mitch mcconnell. he's saying, well, here's an issue that we all can get behind, which is fighting joe biden. no matter the economy would crash and the stock market would go crazy and all these things. mitch mcconnell just wants to play politics, and it's sad, but it's true. >> i just remembered during the bush and the obama administrations, all the consternation, and we covered it over and over, the debt ceiling, and we may have had a countdown clock, who knows. but it was most probably we did -- but this isn't something that's new just to

the dispute between mcconnell and trump goes back, really, to mitch mcconnell's refusal to undermine the election along with donald trump, really, and now trump is trying to oust him, trying to get him out of a leadership position that he's held longer than any other republican in the history of the party. the striking thing to me is that -- dana had a very good point here about trump holding onto this idea that he won the 2020 election because he didn't want to be called a loser, but there is no reason for him to give it up at this point because he's convinced 65%, 70% of the republican party that he did win. so while he's able to convince all these republicans that he won in 2020, what he can't convince anyone, or he hasn't yet, is to attack mitch mcconnell. one ally after the next, one trump ally after the next in the senate came to mcconnell's defense and said this is -- donkeys will fly before they vote the senate came to mcconnell's defense and said this is, you know, donkeys will fly before they vote mcconnell out. trump's endorsed candidates in the contested primaries in penn

. >> mitch mcconnell has decided to play politics, don. as you said, they did it three times for president trump. they did it countless times with president obama. it's what the government has to do to continue to go forward, and mitch mcconnell has decided that he wants to draw a line in the sand and see if he can hold his base together because his party has a similar problem. they're warring with themselves too. you have the trumpians who are trying to continue to run this party, and you have traditionalists like mitch mcconnell. he's saying here's an issue we all can get behind which is fighting joe biden. no matter that the economy would crash and the stock market would go crazy and all these things. mitch mcconnell just wants to play politics, and it's sad, but it's true. >> i just remember during the bush and the obama administrations, all the consternation and we covered it over and over, the debt ceiling, the debt ceiling. we may have had a countdown clock. who knows? most probably we did. this isn't something that's new just to th

it's like mitch mcconnell. i'm not comparing them in terms of any kind of ideology, but they know how to do what they do. and she is not going to bring something to the floor if she doesn't have the votes. this setting the 27th wound up not working for her or for the party because it is now evidenced them to the country at large at a time where the numbers are not good for biden personally. therapeutic not good in terms of job performance and they're not good in terms of right way or wrong way for the country. on that last one, they're probably blaming the republicans a lot for that also. but they need to get something done. and some is better than none. these are all popular items. whatever they get done. but what if they don't get anything done? >> that's the point. let me tell you this, and this goes for news the news media as well. now that covid has -- we're out of quarantine so to speak, still safe, still wearing the mask and whatever, i've had a chance to travel around the country, as you know. i've gone

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the dispute goes back really to mitch mcconnell's refusal to under undermun the election with donald trump. now donald trump is trying to oust him, trying to get him out of a leadership position that he held longer than any other republican in the party. the striking thing to me is that, you know, dana had a very good point about trump holding on to this idea that he won the 2020 election because he doesn't want to be called a loser. but he's also -- there's no reason to give it up at this point. he is convinced, you know, 65%, 70% of the republican party that he did win. while he is able to convince the republicans he won in 2020, what he can't convince anyone or he hasn't yet is to attack mitch mcconnell. one ally after the next. one trump ally after the next in the senate came to mcconnell's defense and said this is, you know, donkeys will fly before they vote mcconnell out. trump's endorsed candidates in the contested primaries in pennsylvania, north carolina, georgia. her shall walker wouldn't be running without trump. refused to weigh in and say whether or not he would vote for

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mitch mcconnell is a legislative master. what he needs right now is for there not to be trillions of trillions of dollars not spent on a reconciliation bill. he knows the way to help delay that is to make democrats own their work. host: the debt ceiling, the bipartisan infrastructure framework, the build back, better act, the issues we are talking about that congress will be talking about all week long. worry cooper -- rory cooper and adrienne elrod are with us until 9:00 a.m. eastern. start calling in. the government funding ends at midnight on thursday. from a purely political standpoint, who generally wins these government shutdown battles? guest: unfortunately the people who lose are the ones you just mentioned -- government workers. nobody wants to have a shutdown under their watch. the biden administration has made it clear where they stand on things. when it comes, to raising the debt ceiling, one of the reasons we have to do that is to pay for the legislative agenda under donald trump. democrats are doing the best we

just ask mitch mcconnell. but despite that inconvenient, well-documented truth, more than 400 bills have already passed this year that restrict access to americans' constitutional right to vote so the freedom to vote act which could come to the senate floor as soon as this week is a last-ditch attempt to protect voting rights after republicans blocked the more sweeping voting rights legislation, the for the people act, back in june. now, this second iteration is a compromise, crafted by a group of democratic senators, including joe manchin, who did not support the first bill. about it, politico reports, quote, the latest legislation would establish some federally mandated voting rules such as requiring early voting options and expanding access to mail ballots but is more scaled back than an original version that would have broadly remade the election process. but just like its predecessor, republican opposition to the new bill came swiftly. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell described it as a, quote, solut

mitch mcconnell and the gop need to come to the table. this debt creting is about the full faith and credit of the united states. it is about not hurting our economy as we are starting to emerge back from this pandemic and it is a fundamental responsibility of members of congress that we pay for this debt. what we have seen is the gop and mitch mcconnell running up the credit card and then turning around and saying we don't have anything to do with this. it is unacceptable, we need to come back to the table and get this done. >> so cnn has reported that leaders in your party are talking about attaching a debt limit increase on to the must-pass spending bill to keep the government open. bring us up to speed on where the discussions stand. >> we're going to do what we need to do to be good guardians of our economy and of the fiscal soundness of this country. when the republicans were in charge and had the majorities in the white house, we helped them because it is so fundamental. this isn't a partisan discussion. this is about the united st

but the position that republicans primarily senator mitch mcconnell have taken is totally irresponsible and i hope they come to their senses because mitch has been running around kentucky taking credit for a lot of the spending that is requiring us to raise the debt limit. mitch doesn't really care about seeming inconsistent or hypocritical. he says whatever is expedient. chris: let me interrupt if i can, just for a moment, chairman. because if people hadn't gathered already, you and the republican senator from your state of kentucky, mitch mcconnell, are political adversaries. he has taken a clear stand on the debt limit. let's hear from him. >> let me be crystal clear about this. republicans are united in opposition to raising the debt ceiling. chris: so i guess here's the question. if you separate them, then mcconnell and the republicans in the senate are going to vote to fund the government but not for the debt limit. if you combine them, then wouldn't that make it harder for republicans to vote against it because if they vote against the debt limit they're voting to shut down the g

mitch mcconnell literally introduced her. she was standing alongside the man who has threatened to blockade any future biden picks and then claiming that justices are not political actors. come on, the only thing that's surprising to me is that a lot of mainstream media outlets continue to gullibly report these. we have liberal justices, he's got a whole book tour out claiming that the court still needs to be viewed as an apolitical institution, and assertions otherwise are off base. i think those claims while justice briar are belied by the rulings like the one in texas. i think the public sides with the views of justice sotomayor, who in her dissent showed a fundamental disregard for the rule of law. that's what's going on here, the curtain is being pulled back. the conservative justices are going to get their come up pans, there was a poll that came out two days ago that showed the court's approval rating is at a low we haven't seen in decades. >> and to that point, you know, senator mitch mcconnell he already said he's go

mitch mcconnell literally introduced. or so she is standing alongside the man who promised to blockade anybody picks and claimed that justices are not political actors. come, on the only thing that is surprising to me is that a lot of mainstream media outlets continue to report these at face value. and we have local justices like justice breyer having the same taco points on this. he has a book out now that claims that the court has to be viewed as and a political institution. those claims by breyer are just belied by rulings like the ones in texas. i think that the public increasingly sides with the view of people like justice sotomayor who in her dissent said that this ruling showed a fundamental disregard for the rule of law. that is what is going on here. the curtain is being pulled back. the conservative justices are going to -- win a polling came out two days ago that showed that the courts approving rating is at a low that we have not seen in decades. >> and to that point, senator mitch mcconnell, he already said h

now, that is happening as mitch mcconnell putting his hypocrisy on full display -- shocking -- mitch mcconnell is refusing to vote for something that he has voted for 32 times in the past. that's according to "the washington post." >> i think the -- the debt ceiling legislation is a time that brings us all together. in the case of the debt limit, we need to act quickly, given the new uncertainty from the large cost of storm recovery. secretary of the treasury, senator schumer and i had a good meeting this morning in my office to discuss the raising of the debt ceiling which we all know will need to be done sometime in the next month or so. and we are going to be looking for a way forward to do that, together, to make sure america continues to never, ever default. it's time that we got serious on a bipartisan basis to try to work this out and not have the kind of chaos that goes along with our inability to come together on these kind of important issues. you may or may not recall i said that during the years when i was the leader of the minority in the senate, i don't think there's an

but mitch mcconnell has said no, what is the way around this? >> well, one thing mitch mcconnell knows full well and the republicans know full well what would happen if we don't extend and we don't let the government keep running, because mitch mcconnell was the -- the last long shutdown of 30 days and people were going to food banks. federal employees were going to food banks to get food, because they weren't getting paid. so mitch mcconnell knows the damage that would be done if our economy and our families if we have a government shutdown, and if we don't pay our debts. but he's willing to sit on his hands and all the republicans like lemmings are going to let him do it. so this says to me the republicans take no responsibility and they don't care about the danger that are government shutdown will impose, and that we don't pay our debts as a country. but they are going to do it anyway. so yeah, everyone in america should know that this is the posture of the republicans. we are going to do everything we can to make sure that these bills pass.

"the wall street journal" reporting donald trump wants mitch mcconnell out. it's reign as leader of the republican party has lasted long enough. they have had periods of detente where they both go about the business. trump is looking for republican senators to essentially organize a civil war or a revolt against mcconnell. not going too well but the fact that it's happening as you go into a mid-term year not helpful. >> yeah, but -- perhaps not helpful for mcconnell, sure, but the big takeaway for those us on the hill reading the story is trump owes clout really has -- has been scaled back considerably at least in the senate. you have team like tommy tuberville, republican from alabama endorsed by president trump saying that he supports mccould be. you have people like john kennedy that this would happen when, quote, donkeys fly and john kennedy from louisiana was a huge supporter of drew. even the candidates that trump has endorsed in the senate races are refusing to go on record to say they think mcconnell should be out or removed, and so, you know, that sh

mitch mcconnell says i'm not going to take it up. democrats are going to have to see how serious that is, whether he can be pressured into doing something. if not, they have to fall back and do that in the reconciliation bill. it's all very heavy load for the democratic leaders to carry. we'll see whether they can handle it. >> question 1a on senator manchin. i heard him talking about he was worried about natural gas prices in west virginia and 3 1/2 trillion dollar of remaking the american economy in the next ten years. he's worried about inflation. aren't most of these proposals in the human infrastructure package the biden administration is proposing, wouldn't those help struggling west virginians? >> reporter: yes. there are a whole lot of proposals in there on education, child care, health care subsidies that would benefit his very poor state. but he's raising concerns that many in the business community are raising about inflation. the biden white house talks about the transitory nature of the inflation we're seeing now. but wh

mitch mcconnell i saw him on fox news talking about the democrats wanting to give free giveaways. and he fails to speak about the free tax giveaways to billionaires, 2 trillion not paid for, on our debt. to giving money to people who don't even need it. and as for medicare, are you aware under the trump administration the push to privatize medicare and essentially if you're someone who had traditional medicare to put you into one of the private advantage plans? >> julie? >> well, this has been sort of a push for the last 20 years or so. republicans would like to see more private plan involvement in medicare. there's already an enormous amount, there's something called medicare advantage, it's currently optional but an increasing number of people who are used to being in managed care plans in their working years are opting for these plans partly because many of them they get paid more by the federal government are able to provide some of these extra benefits, things like dental care, like vision care, like hearing care. so they can -- in exchange for agreeing to only use a certain

what roadblocks are they up against from senate minority leader mitch mcconnell? >> several. i think it's becoming very clear. i mean, mitch mcconnell has been saying this since july now, so it's been several months of the minority leader insisting that he would not support any efforts by the democrats to raise the debt ceiling. of course, you know, democrats are technically right. it is not usual. raising the debt ceiling a bipartisan exercise. democrats helped republicans do this three times during the trump administration, including after his push to raise the $2 trillion tax cuts, which added a lot of debt, as well. but the issue for democrats here is regardless of whether their arguments are technically right, republicans are not going to falter. i spent time last week pushing republicans and asking them, are they going to balk? this is something, i think, a lot of democrats had been hoping for. they'd hoped that, you know, senator chris coons is fuss, fuss, and then last minute, fold. allowing the government to default would be potentially kas -- catastrophic for the ma