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i agree with bernie sanders. someone needs to stand toe to toe with joe biden -- i mean with joe manchin. but also i believe that the -- they shouldn't go no lower than 1.9 trillion. because of so much that has to be done and i believe that bernie and the progressives, all it takes the one of them. just like manchin and sinema, it takes one of them to say, we're not going to budge. thank you. >> one of the follow-ups to that story between joe manchin and bernie sanders is from "the hill" and in that story the headline of that story on the money, it all comes down to bernie and joe and they write that senator manchin told democratic colleagues that he will work with bernie sanders and senate majority leader chuck schumer to reach a deal by week's end. according to sources familiar with the lunch, manchin said he thought a general agreement would be possible by friday. sounding a more optimistic tone behind closed doors than he did when asked by reporters earlier in the week about the meeting on october 31st deadli

everything that bernie sanders is saying in terms of the numbers is true. joe manchin didn't want anything, and he came up to 1.5 trillion. he thinks that's a pretty big step. berns was at $7 trillion to get everything he wanted, and he came way down to $3.5 trillion. he thinks that's a pretty good step. it's not wrong. what you said about president biden is the key. manu's great reporting about his joke about it being homicide getting them in the same room, notwithstanding, this is what he campaigned on. >> right. >> joe biden said i am the guy who can get things done and we're not talking about across the aisle here. we're talking about inside his party. why not. take a piece of paper, sit down in the oval office with senator sanders and with senator manchin and get beyond the vagaries that manu is talking about and talk about what are the issues that you can live with, what are the issues that you can't live without and let's put it down, and the reason at this point the hard truth politically is that president biden would have full responsibility, and i

listen to bernie sanders moments ago. i want your view on the significance of this when bernie sanders says maybe not. >> members of the house in my view are going to have to have some insurance. what we've said as all you know from day one that both of these bills are linked. i support the the infrastructure bill, but i want to see a strong build back better bill as well, and they are linked together, so what you don't want to see is the infrastructure bill pass and then not have the kind of build back better bill that we need and that's why you need 50 members on board before there should be a vote in my view in the house. >> david chalian, president wanted his friend bernie sanders to back the president. >> the critical words at the end of what sanders just said, before are -- there should not be a vote before there is a bill to see. that is a message to house progressives to defy, to defy the speaker, to defy what the president and his team would like to see happen today in the immediate term and get nag infrastructur

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bernie seems desperate to bankrupt, he doesn't even care. i'm going to die soon, at least in five years before the planet does. now manchin says life would be much easier if he flipped parties different goals, typically young on the same team? senior editor fox news computer of the brand-new, democrat sees our election. good to see you, molly. >> great to be here. kennedy: how are bernie sanders and joe manchin still in the same party? >> i think it's funny we are supposed to think they are so far apart when they are both in favor of this massive spending package. it wasn't that long ago people freaked out over $700 billion in troubled asset expenditure to fail bank and even low estimates like the joe manchin moderate is still two to three times what was so they are both seeming extreme relative to bernie sanders, anybody might look moderate on the spending. kennedy: bernie sanders has to be upset because -- and he set this out loud in front of cameras that he thought 6 trillion was a good start. about 1.75 would be an appropriate ceiling an

comeback was to say i beat bernie sanders. it's very interesting to watch now. bernie sanders wanted $6 trillion. he came down to 3. 5 trillion. now mansion wants 1.5 trillion. so nancy pelosi is trying to work out something that is somewhere in the neighborhood of around 2 trillion. still an enormous amount of money when you say couple down from 3 1/2 to 2 trillion. it's still a lot of money. and then the question becomes will the progressives vote for the infrastructure bill with the promise of a frame work or do they have to wait to see a vote, a passage of the social spending bill in the senate. if that will happen, we're talking days or weeks before that. kyrsten sinema is not even in washington. she's in phoenix. there's not been a word written on the legislative language for reconciliation in the senate. we're talking ant a bill. i'm sure it thousands of pages. that will take awhile to write. that would be a setback for joe biden, not necessarily fatal but a real setback be he can't get a deal with the progressive sayin

was your about the message bernie sanders had? >> the heart of the message is exactly right. for instance, childcare and the child tax credit for working parents, therapy feelings of dollars and several million dollars and families in west virginia his points are beyond dispute with childcare, free care and home care are good for working families in west virginia. joe pandian has a different history than bernie sanders the only person in west virginia and what you saw cap like another issue we were out resolving and making progress. it's going to be painful because joe manchin said he never could have imagined need one from five bernie couldn't imagine 2.5 care about the people they represent having to do what the investor should be. >> you think the revenue pieces esof this, taxes in their he needed to pay for much of this in these measures will still be intact in the final version? >> on that bernie and joe manchin are produced, we have operations extraordinarily profitable don't pay taxes. there was a time with nike where if you bought a pair of nike sneakers, paid more fo

>> do they have senators on board, where is bernie sanders on this? >> reporter: well, that is the question. we're hearing from our sources, stephanie, that bernie sanders backs the position of the progressives and that is until there is legislative text then they will not give their vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill that speaker pelosi wants to vote on today. let me see who's walking behind me. congresswoman can you stop for the cameras. sorry i was trying to get representative custer who was in the meeting with president biden just now to see what was being said. we heard moments ago from another member, congresswoman carolyn maloney, that they are going through the bill section by section in that room behind me. president biden has been in there for 35 minutes so he is also educating the caucus on what is in this bill. and that is, you know, in the steps of how this is supposed to go, educating and convincing and persuading people to get on board. that is a huge task to do in an hour-meeting this morning. he's going to address the nation

i would say that, think about bernie sanders. i never thought he really wanted to be president actually because then there is accountability there is accountability look at what he can do now with no accountability. so i think that a lot of people like attention you have to be another ten on —- in that position but in fact at this is a collapse to the biden administration the fact is it will be just like everything else from joe biden like afghanistan and the border and the economy why would anything work smoothly for them when they are responsible for setting this nation on fire? they are setting themselves on fire right now. i don't mind if the government shutdown maybe we would be better off they save themselves from that moment. but i do think there is such a lack of vision and leadership there is no center in the white house and like the monologue said why did he come? there is a leadership. horses running wild and i think it is a disaster for them and could be a disaster for the country and if it works for them it will be

they called the reconciliation bill but is really bernie sanders agenda. joe biden made it clear that it's a package deal. if they are separated by a little bit of time, the point is, the infrastructure bill is a delivery mechanism for the other bill. host: we want to invite our viewers to join us. congressman, you have reintroduced a bill called the cbo show your work act, what is it? guest: the congressional budget office score error bills. they create financial models to say how much revenue with a wealth tax collect if was structured this way. they will publish a score. they published a score on reconciliation or bernie's agenda as i call it stop it was $5.5 trillion price tag over 10 years. they don't show their work, they don't show their financial models and don't disclose the data or the structure of the model so nobody can replicate it or troubleshoot it. they don't show to the public or members of congress. if we say we like this provision of the bill, how would that work? i might be able to support this specific provision but i don't support the

bernie said, "we need to do $3.5 trillion. manchin said, "i'm comfortable with zero," forming a zero with his thumb and index finger all right, first of all, never get into a hand gesture battle with bernie sanders. the man uses his index fingers the way ninjas use throwing stars. remember the debate? he never had to say a word he just raised that index finger while someone else was talking it would be like watching the rock pick up his microphone. [ laughter ] but say all you want about manchin, and clearly, we've said a lot. at least he's a democrat from west virginia, where trump won by almost 40 points. sinema, on the other hand, is from arizona, a state joe biden won, and where her poll numbers among democrats have collapsed thanks to her obstructionism and, unlike manchin, she never even talks to the press or to voters, for that matter. she holds private fundraisers and meetings with lobbyists, but then when constituents and reporters try to get answers out of her, this happens >> i know you're getting dozens of lobbyist

good evening, rachel, you have bernie sanders tonight. >> do i have bernie sanders tonight. boy, did he have a lot to say. i've interviewed him many times, i haven't had this much anticipation to talk to him. >> a lot going on. >>> thanks to you at home for joining us. as chris mentioned, senator bernie sanders will join us live tonight in just a few minutes. i do want to address just a quick personal matter here before we go on to the news, if you will indulge me for just a second. a couple of months ago susan and i went to a minor league baseball game. i sat on the aisle. she sat to my left. our team won. it was a fantastic game. i bought like all the swag, i ate all the hot dogs, it was a great time. minor league baseball i am convinced is god's gift to american spectator sports. at our local minor league baseball park, box seats are six bucks. the parking is free. the players are really good, but nobody really cares who wins. at this particular minor league game i went to with susan, i'm sitting on her right, she's sitting on my left. i caught her giving me a squinty eye

you're crazy, bernie, i can't get enough of you. their beef has broken out into the open and we're all getting a look. >> the leaders of the parties liberal and moderate wings spent much of the weekend at each others' throats. first this op-ed from bernie sanders in west virginia's biggest newspaper, says poll after poll shows overwhelming support for this legislation, two democratic senators remain in opposition including senator joe manchin. >> manchin shot back, this isn't the first time an out of stater has tried to tell west virginias what is best with them despite having no relationship to our state ." >> oooh, bernie and joe are at each other's throat. the claws are out, rar! but i get why joe is upset about this, coming into his neighborhood and writing an op-ed in his hometown newspaper, you don't see joe going to the mall and slapping the ben and jerries out of bernie's mouth. it's rich when joe has been writing op-eds in america. i saw an op-ed mentioned in the last fortune kooky i i opened. maybe there would be more fres

that is what bernie sanders supports. he has his left-wing mob going after fellow democrat senator supports that using force and intimidation. that is in his playbook. he is, i'm a parent liz. listen, when you have brat at this kids, if you let bratty kids be bratty you celebrate their brattiness you get more bratty kids. you have to reprimand kids, right? so the liberal base, the liberal media should actually come down hard on the people who are going after senators in the bathroom? really? i had that happen to me. they give the radicals a pass instead of holding them to account. elizabeth: people should remember this number. the reason why it is 50-50 for democrats in the senate is because they have narrowest margin in a century. why? the senator, republican senator out of georgia, david perdue, he lost by just 13,500 votes. that's it. that is why they're in charge right now, 13,500 votes in georgia. that is why it is 50-50 in the senate. that is why democrats in control. senators, wanted statement to urge kyrsten sinem

back senator bernie sanders will be live tonight. he will be here in just a few minutes. i do want to address just a quick quick personal matter here before we go on to the news, if you will indulge me for just a second. a couple of months ago susan and i went to a minor league baseball game. i sat on the aisle. she sat to my left. our team won. it was a fantastic game. i bought like all the swag, i ate all the hot dogs, it was a great time. minor league baseball, i am convinced, is god's gift to american spectator sports. at our local minor league baseball park, box seats are six bucks. the parking is free. the players are really good, but nobody really cares who wins. sometimes after the game there is fireworks. it is literally a way to spend a summer night. at this particular minor league game i went to with susan, i'm sitting on her right, she's sitting on my left, i caught her sort of looking at me, giving me a squinty eye. i was like, what, what's wrong? i'm thinking, mustard from the hot dog or something. but she poked me in the neck. kind of hard. and she said, th

no disrespect meant to bernie sanders, but an op-ed in a west virginia newspaper for bernie sanders, i don't know how many joe manchin voters that -- >> three voters for bernie sanders in all of west virginia. >> he didn't do that bad in the 2016 primaries, in west virginia, but does that change the field? >> everybody has their own politics. bernie sanders isn't just doing this to affect west virginia. he's also doing this to show that he's fighting for this package so that his voters know it's going to occur. the neighborhood i grew up in, don't start none there won't be none. his return fire on bernie sanders was effective. he's an independent democratic socialist and nobody in west virginia is listening to that person. the question here is for people like joe manchin who think of themselves as majoritymakers for the democrats, they have to be careful he has to be careful he's not a majority taker. if they don't get a deal done here, people like raphael warnock who is up next year. he's not up in four years like manchin. he's up next year. he needs these deals to be done and joe m

joe biden and bernie sanders got multiple homes. questions over nancy pelosi and bernie sanders, how do they own multimillion dollars homes own government property? nancy pelosi's husband is a venture capitalist, invested in commercial real estate but bernie sanders family run numerous non-profits. the money is hard to track. little to no oversight. what do you say, joe? >> i say bernie sanders has more houses than i do, that's for sure. not bad for a socialist. you know who is 100% accurate on this whole situation? going to shock you here, elizabeth. rem alexandria ocasio-cortez, democrat in new york. she said it should be illegal to buy and sell stocks if you're a member of congress. she is exactly right. it would be like professional athletes gambling on their own sport for which they would actually help decide the outcome, right? pelosi for example, wealth increase from 41 million about 17% ago to more than 100 million in 2020. that is according to open secrets. close to 75% of pelosi's stock trading over last two years involved

when there was a valid socialist like bernie sanders on the ballot. as we know from wiki leaks, there was a deliberate sabotaged campaign from the clinton side of the dnc against him. so when it comes to real power and fundamental power, and i'm sure you've been watching all the negotiations, the book barrel politics is they've been gold. is it? is it all words about the quality rather than actual attacks on wealth foundations, on investment banks and investment income? well, the kinds of things that really need to be tackled well, clearly the, i mean, the us political system has been captured by these wealthy interests by the corporate interests. and so they, within what happens in washington, d. c is highly constrained by that. the good news is, the popular base and opinion of people is changing and ultimately that'll shift the politics the public is way more where bernie sanders is than they are. where most centrist democrats are, they want to reduce inequality. they want the rich to pay their share, they want to abolish student debt. you know, the

both the trump ers and the bernie sanders, people will all agree. the rules the economy have been rig to benefit the very wealthy. and then the question is, what do you do about it? and people have different solutions, but that from visceral gut analysis is broadening. that's what i see changing. ok. well, putting my all ago catherine, i'd say to you, look at the pandora papers, no one the l. a. u. s. a wealth advisory firm is on there. if you look at the map of the world to russia, there's nothing, nothing wrong going on in the united states to all the other countries. well, you know, here's the problem. all the leaks came from officer services companies outside the united states, and that's not the place where u. s. oligarchy are going to go for their, you know, wealth defense services. we, we need a couple of good leaks from some of these trust companies. and if anyone's listening and they want to contact me, i can help you, you know, disclose your information confidentially. because that will actually help shift the u. s. dynamic. the fact that

. >> bernie sanders was fighting on medicare for all. that's not part of this, but let me ask you this -- >> to lower the prescription drug prices. >> to a larger point, why wouldn't biden want to take the victory? >> a $1.5 trillion? you're right. they promised the moderates -- >> what money by the way? $1.5 trillion plus -- >> plus $1.9 trillion in january. >> and your tax cuts? >> it doesn't even count. i understand that you want the american people to give their money rather than keep it themselves. i get that, that's fine. you can spend it better. >> you know how much money we spent every day in afghanistan and got nothing to show for it? let's talk about how much it cost, and how many lives we were going to save, and how many people we were going to educate, and how many seniors can have the comfort of being able to take their medicine. >> if you get it passed. let's play what president biden said yesterday expressing some real frustration at two democrats in particular. >> if we can bring the moderates and progressives together, w

both the trump ers and the bernie sanders, people will all agree. the rules, the economy have been rig to benefit the very wealthy. and then the question is, what do you do about it? and people have different solutions, but that from visceral gut analysis is broadening. that's what i see changing. ok. well, putting my oligarch hat on, i'd say to you, look at the pandora papers, no one the l. a u. s. a wealth advisory firm is on that. if you look at the map of the world until russia, there's nothing, nothing wrong going on in the united states at all. the other countries? well, you know, here's the problem. all the leaks came from officer services companies outside the united states, and that's not the place where u. s. oligarchy are going to go for their, you know, wealth defense services. we, we need a couple of good leaks from some of these trust companies. and if anyone's listening and they want to contact me, i can help you, you know, disclose your information confidentially. because that will actually help shift the u. s. dynamic. the fact that

the public is way more where bernie sanders is than they are. where most centrist democrats are, they want to reduce an equality, they want the rich to pay their share, they want to abolish student debt. you know, they want to live in a more equal and healthy society. and yes, we obviously have the coven pandemic, killing hundreds of thousands of americans. do you think the u. s. oligarchs being actually incentivized by cove? if they made a lot of money from it, haven't they? you've been talking about how much money they have made, just as all the gods made money at the opioid crisis, of course, which killed so many. yeah, no, i mean, i think one of the powerful juxtapositions right now is us billionaires have seen their wealth, go up almost 2 trillion dollars during the pandemic. this is an embarrassment, and this is, and you know, juxtaposed with the loss of life and the loss of livelihoods for so many people. that's where some of the populace anger about inequality is coming from. and there's a tiny segment, i think, of the oligarchy who, who

the public is way more where bernie sanders is than they are. where most centrist democrats are, they want to reduce an equality, they want the rich to pay their share, they want to abolish student debt. you know, they want to live in a more equal and healthy society. and yet, but we obviously have the coven pandemic, killing hundreds of thousands of americans. do you think the us all a galks? i mean, actually incentivized by covey. they made a lot of money from it, haven't they? you've been talking about how, how much money they have made, just as only god made money at the opioid crisis course, which killed so many. yeah, no, i mean, i think one of the powerful juxtapositions right now is u. s. billionaires have seen their wealth, go up almost 2 trillion dollars during the pandemic. this is an embarrassment, and this is, and you know, just to post with the loss of life and the loss of livelihoods for so many people. that's where some of the populist anger about inequality is coming from. and there's a tiny segment, i think, of the oligarchy wh

if the country had wanted bernie sanders' budget they would have -- democrats would have nominated bernie sanders. not the country. remember, democrats nominated joe biden. it's been democrats even who have rejected particularly black democrats straying from one moment rejected the defund the police moment. have you certain voices in the party and certain voices in the country coming forward with wanting wild spending and wild policy departures in areas which we shouldn't have. but democrats are speaking. i heard joe biden tonight he said democrats we're going to get something done but it's not going to be that number. we have to stay within our bounds and have to pass something that america will accept. >> mike: so the question is, do they hold to a puritiy test on the progressive side and question of timing. will there be votes this weekend? jason? >> well, you know, no one can predict the future here. i don't know why someone like joe manchin would hold out this long and then cave at the last minute. but, you never know what might happen. but i think he is right on the substance. we ha

senator bernie sanders of vermont tonight. delivering a blunt message, and how compromise is supposed to work, a blunt message to his colleagues, senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. specifically talking about manchin by, name to put it mildly it's not something we usually see of senators in the same party talking about each other in such blunt terms. it's a remarkable turn for senator sanders today, i'm eager to know what made him decide to do that today, joining us now is vermont senator bernie sanders. he's chair of the senate budget committee. senator sanders, it's a real pleasure to have you here tonight. thank you for having time. >> thank you for having me. >> you always speak your mind, you never leave any ambiguity or shadow or a gray area in terms of what you, roy and what you're seeking. and why. still though it was remarkable to hear your blunt language, today about your senate democratic colleague, about senator manchin. and how you feel like he's essentially behaving in an unfair way, what led you to that poi

we're told anyway that bernie sanders is extremely angry. should he be? >> well, i mean he can be angry that it's not going to be what he would have done if he were completely in charge. or if there were 51 senators that shared all of senator sander's view. that's not the way our government is organized. i don't get to decide all on my own how congress will act and neither does any single senator. i do think it's a point that senator manchin ought to take heed of that while senator sanders doesn't get 100% of what he wants, neither can senator manchin. there's got to be some rationale common ground that can be found. >> very well-put. dan kilde, thanks very much. thanks for the kind words. coming up next, the ohio senator not running for re-election, rob portman. very good to have you here with us. obviously republicans are not keen on any of this. they're not going to vote for any of this. are you encouraged at least by some of the signs that are out there that at least the overall price tag is coming down? >> well, i suppose that's good but it's a terri

bernie sanders who is budget committee chairman and represents viewpoint of the left, pushing back at the moderates in his own caucus. kyrsten sinema and joe manchin over two key issues emerging as major sticking points. allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices, something that senator sinema along with house moderates have resisted and expanding medicare to include dental, vision and hearing. joe manchin said that would be fiscally irresponsible to include in the bill and moments ago bernie sanders made it clear both need to be in the final package. >> so to my mind any serious reconciliation bill must include real medical negotiations with the pharmaceutical industry to lower the cost of prescription drugs and serious reconciliation bill must include expanding medicare to cover dental, hearing aids and eyeglasses. >> is that a red line for you? is that a red line for had you? not only is there division on the policy still but, again, on the process. replaying this debate that the democrats had back in september. the liberals want the larger bill agreed to, signed off on and approve

on the whole manchin versus bernie thing, the idea 6.5 trillion was starting point for bernie is nonsense. starting point at 3.5 trillion is still too high, my opinion it will come in $2 trillion and i think there is a lot to do in this post-covid environment and on the pay for, unlike the trump tax reform, we are paying for it. there are pay for to pay for it. >> sandra: let douglas respond before i move on. >> that's fair. >> doug: the problem is simple, progressives in the house don't trust they will get the reconciliation bill if they vote on this bill. whatever the merit, it is not moving, they cannot generate trust overnight, put them back together and get something that is passable. real issue, robert, they are spending time on things they want, wish list, have to raise the debt ceiling and not doing that, that is a huge peril. getting tagged with bad inflation, if they get financial disruption out of this, terrible for the democrats. >> sandra: robert, you and i had a chance to talk a second ago, you have republicans warning this is going to transform america, as we know it today.

bernie says, i don't want to see it. jayapal says, you're not going to see it. they had to call some 70 participants and all the progressives said no. even some members of the cbc, i'm being told, the congressional black caucus. this now makes a very interesting question, not about the dynamic, not about the result, because they're going to make some deal. the leadership. schumer nowhere in this discussion. pelosi, only a question mark in the discussion. why did she force this? what was the strategy? is she in touch with the people who are calling the shots in the party right now? it's a really interesting time for them, but if they get anything done like this, we will have never seen anything like it since the new deal. >> yeah, and guess who is going to be here until the wee hours covering this if they actually do get to vote. we don't know. it's still up in the air. >> you will not have to stay late tonight. >> don't jinx me, okay, chris? don't say that. let's just say we'll see. let me say this. i think that, and i'm just conveying what's being said in washi

the public is way more where bernie sanders is than they are. where most centrist democrats are, they want to reduce an equality, they want the rich to pay their share, they want to abolish student debt. you know, they want to live in a more equal and healthy society. and yet, but we obviously have the coven pandemic, killing hundreds of thousands of americans. and you think the u. s. oligarchs every actually incentivized by covey. they made a lot of money from it. haven't they, you've been talking about how much money they have made, just as only god made money at the opioid crisis, of course, which killed so many. yeah, no, i mean, i think one of the powerful juxtapositions right now is u. s. billionaires have seen their wealth, go up almost 2 trillion dollars during the pandemic. this is an embarrassment, and this is, and you know, just to post with the loss of life and the loss of livelihoods for so many people. that's where some of the populace anger about inequality is coming from. and there's a tiny segment, i think, of the oligarchs who,

>> i just spoke to bernie sanders. he was in a meeting with democratic leaders to cut some sort of a zeal on that larger bill. he told me just moments ago if the infrastructure bill comes to a vote in the house tonight should be defeated. he's calling on progressives to defeat that bill, and he calls it absurd that there is late night deal making on this massive package they're trying to move and to expand the safety net. he said this has been negotiated for months. we shouldn't be working in the last minute before a major vote on this larger package. we should continue to discuss, get a deal and move both pieces of legislation together. that is significant. what the white house and democratic leaders had hoped was to get a deal to be signed by all the major players. and then sell it to the progressive caucus and say we're going to approve that $1.2 trillion infrastructure plan because we know a bigger bill will come forward. but bernie sanders just signaled, he said i'm not ready to do that right now. let's defeat the

they didn't want bernie sanders to be president or donald trump. i've been thinking long about how did we get to where we are today, joe biden went big in his words and he shouldn't have. he should have run straight up the middle and gone small and built from there and convinced the american people he was indeed a moderate, he was a uniter and could get things done. instead he really did try to implement a bernie sanders tax and spend agenda. let me remind you, this is very important. there is not a single cut being discussed by democrats. when they talk about they will have to take this out or take that out or go lower. every cent is new spending. not one penny of cuts. >> harris: alexandria ocasio-cortez, congresswoman from new york, why is she all upset and why are the progressives upset if it doesn't have cuts? >> great question. it is because in washington when one person comes along and says i want to spend $6 trillion and another person wants to spend $5 trillion. one persons wants a 5 and the other wants a 6 trillion increase and why the na

i spoke kind of like bernie sanders. i was like, this is a prime example of why the well thing i was little really reciting a speeches. i'm like the wealthy need to pay their fair share. there was a charity group oxfam international will saying, specifically this is where, you know, are missing the hospitals are, and this is a, it's a prime example of and we should equally why one of the arguments on the right don't work, which is this idea that you don't need the government to regulate the wealthy and enforce them to pay taxes. they'll do it on their own sheets quite clear from this or this, these findings that they absolutely will not do it on their own. and just the links that they will go to, to not circulate that money and put money toward things like hospitals and things that everyone uses that the tax system is meant, you know, to benefit ag. if the u. s. were to adopt something closer to say, a flat tax, do you think taxpayers would actually be able to get ahead and spend the money they make incentive in tax on w

i sound like bernie sanders, but i, i agree with the corruption. i just think that the, the real best path forward is more transparency, not less as we've seen. now we'll get maybe get to the story we have insiders at the fed trading stocks trading on insider information when you and me and natasha are, are stuck trying to figure out what's gonna happen next. so more transparency is good, but don't be surprised that people use incentives and are, are moved by those incentives, care of and, and as you just mentioned, you know, there were several media reports made today regarding allegations of potential trading scandals. so and what are your thoughts on the claims made that the federal vice chair treated millions one day before the chair made a statement about the pandemic? well, it's a scandal and the guy should resign yesterday. i mean and look, i don't even know if these are public. i don't know what his positions are. it's just a scandal. the american people. and again, this is where bernie sanders and mog america, the sanders people in mog ame

capitol and bernie sanders and said they are still talking. [video clip] [no audio] [laughter] >> you are going to have a resolution by the end of the week? >> we are talking. host: penny in brooklyn, new york. you are on. caller: i am wondering why most of these people who are calling don't realize this package is paid for. if you raise the taxes, not even back to the level trump gave the tax cuts but backup for the rich and anyone making over $400,000, this package is paid for. if the employers are requiring college, the poor will never get out of being poor if they cannot get college. to borrow money and end up in debt most of your life where people are still living at home at thirtysomething or fortysomething paying off college debt makes no sense. we have to have an educated society. if two years of community college -- it is essential. that is like high school. that is getting more high school. this is not something rich people are just going to go to community college. they go to private colleges and then make it. you have to do somethi

both bernie sanders and cedric richmond said this is not about a number.■ç let me ask you, if this is not about a number, why don't we have a deal? >> it's about a number. i think everybody is trying to figure out what the number is, what can fit inside that number and what th% can do. what you're seeing is this is a general piece of legislation. we're next to the pelosi-ologist here. she said everything she's been building up to for 30 years in public office, more than that, is in this legislation. people are taking it seriously. every side is doing■ç what they can. this is like a great example of power pole ticks. every side is doing what they can to gain as much leverage against the other side to achieve the end they're trying to chief. >> susan, speaker pelosi rarely blinks, and the progressives made her blink. >> they made her blink. when you go back to the affordable care act, a comparable big victory, the last victory where she faced seemingly really difficult odds, the liberals, the progressives■ blinked on things like the public option. th

bernie sanders for this fiery response from manchin. it was no surprise there. you have the discussion about the climate provision and whether it's going to be taken out and it sounds like the white house is going to follow that, according to our reporting from three congressional sources today, that this provision will be taken out. and i'm wondering if this puts the white house in a bit of a box or a tough situation given the fact that it's supposed to go to the climate convention very soon with top officials going there. >> yeah, this is a big issue heading into the climate summit. so sources told my colleague that if this is ultimately cut, which it is looking like the clean electricity standard as it was originally framed is going to be taken out, the white house is trying to find other proposals or other mechanisms that can get to that 40% cut in carbon emissions or 50% cut in carbon emissions. what else can they offer to manchin, can they offer to these democrats that are potentially sceptical of it? because they really -- they c