this is christopher john carlow, former chair of the commodity futures, trading commission and author of the upcoming book crypto dad. the fight for the future of money chairman, it's great to have you on the show today. now, when it comes to this news about the 1st bitcoin e t f, how do you see it? do you think that is worth the hype? brian rachel? great to be with you today. thanks very much. well, whether it's worth the hype, i think it's significant in all kinds of ways. certainly the record trading volume indicates that the demand is certainly there. and i think that demand has been there for a while. i think other interesting components of this are the fact that the 1st to go forward, as you noted in the intro, is based upon the big point futures market market that might actually my administration 4 years ago at the c, f t. c greenlighted. and at the time, you may recall that was quite a controversial decision, and there was a lot of naysayers out there, so i quite find it, find it quite rewarding and satisfactory. that's satisfying that in fact, the g e t f that the fcc is will