family moved to indiana, nancy lincoln became gravely ill and passed away, young abraham lincoln was 9. this for many is center piece of this whole area. >> it is, it was a focal point for many years, the grave of lincoln's mother. you could she died october 5, 1818, he called her children in said -- she called her children in, said be good to each other and your father. >> we know how any 8 or old would be affected. he was not shy about talking about it there. >> he took his mother's words to heart. >> today we would call him gifted, he had a vision, and ambition and desire to learn what he could learn, it was not always easy, he said his find the was like a piece of steel, difficult to scratch anything in it but once there, you cannot rub it out, he tried to improve himself. >> lincoln still had to live a life of hard labor. at times his father was abusive. >> you are work, your dad was licensing you out to other farms to work during the day. >> it was a common practice. >> why didn't that suck the life out of him. why did he see hope, when so many others saw a stop. >> he had that

abraham lincoln it was born in 18 oh nine, under john brown and abraham lincoln was born in kentucky and indiana that he moves to illinois and he inherited this white slavery ant was shared many working-class whites who expected to make a living by the sweat of the drop in part because simply harder than they could make a decent living when you had to compete with the slave labor they can always undercut your wage. there's a general feeling that slavery many community a bad place to live. and then abraham moved to illinois as a sad and abraham lincoln himself had this inherited, this kind of moderate into the display rating his case epiphany came as he explains on a trip to the north, anyone down the mississippi to wear for the first time, he saw slave auction. and again, lincoln was familiar with slaves working on the docks and he had seen slaves working and doing this and that in the other thing and doing the kind of stuff that whites did as well and so, they don't have many freedoms but it really came home that evil is slavery gave him when he saw slave auction because there for t

abraham lincoln tried to adopt a political movement. he tried to avoid the war and he believed that emancipation would come by constitutional means. he failed to prevent the war, and he was forced to accept emancipation as a way of preserving the union. the irony is that in answer to this question, what do you do about the evil of slavery, abraham lincoln says they will go the peaceful way, but the end is the result that john brown wanted. and it leaves this discussion in question. >> thank you to you both, so much. those were wonderful talks. we have some questions coming in and i want to remind our viewers at home that you can post questions on facebook, twitter, you tube, and we'll get to read them on the air. i will start, phil, with you. can you talk a little bit, you talk about frederick douglas? >> yeah, it is an author about a book, and if hi had not existed i would have had to invent him or someone like him. he lived at the same time. and frederick douglas is the unifying character. and he much admired john brown. they have the

abraham lincoln tried to adopt a political movement. he tried to avoid the war and he believed that emancipation would come by constitutional means. he failed to prevent the war, and he was forced to september emancipation as a way of preserving. the irony is that in answer to this question, what do you do about the evil of slavery, abraham lincoln says they will go the peaceful way, but the end is the result that john brown wanted. and it leaves this discussion in question. >> thank you to you both, so much. those were wonderful talks. we have some questions coming in and i want to remind our viewers at home that you can post questions on facebook, twitter, you tube, and we'll get to read them on the air. i will start, phil, with you. can you talk a little bit, you taurt by -- talk about frederick doug last? >> yeah, it is an author about a book, and if hi had not existed i would have had to invent him or someone like him. he lived at the same time. and frederick douglas is the unifying character. and he much admired john brown. they h

abraham lincoln and frederick douglass and battle to save america's soul. trey: thank you, brian. take care with a great weekend, thank you for spending part of our sunday with us. good night from south carolina. "life, liberty and levin" is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ mark: hello america, i am mark levin, this is "life, liberty and levin." a special edition of the program, we have two great guests, jason wit lock, and represent donalds. before we do, my contention many of major media platforms this

abraham lincoln was not an abolitionist. that isse a person who believedn the immediate abolition of black slavery before thedi war. and i should say before i continue that the slide that i'm showing right now is from south carolina that announces that the union has been dissolved. south carolina, of course, ceded from the union a month after lincoln wasas elected followed other deepol south states. soso lincoln was not an abolitionist, though. he was a modern anti-slavery republican elected on a platform on the nonextension of slavery into thehe territories. thatat program some historians have recently argued could lead to abolition. but it was not abolition. throughout the 1850s, lincoln, a moderate anti-slavery politician, and this is a picture of him from the 1850s, this is the young lincoln. soso he was a modern anti-slave politician. he had adhered to the platform of the nonexpansion of slavery, constitutionally dispensable position s since the federal government had the constitutional part toet end slavery in the fede

abraham lincoln. the rail splitter from illinois would grant nomination and presidency but by the time he arrived at the white house seven states had left the union. for lincoln succession was not an option. the war was on. >> he took over a divided country did. he actually know what he was getting into. >> i don't think so but lincoln knew the law and he knew the constitution backwards and forwards. and so he realized after fort sumter happened and a lot of the country wasn't accepting him as president. correctly diagnosed union, union, union keep the country together. and then the abolition of slavery two grand causes of the civil war. brian: as for frederick douglass lincoln's win was all about hope. when he didn't immediately free the slaves, frederick seized. >> the whole story is that progress takes patience. douglas should have been, rightfully so, angry at the lack of progress, pushing lincoln to move as quickly as possible. at the same time, you have to admire and respect lincoln's patience.

if you decide to get yourself in abraham lincoln signature, this is one of the most common abraham lincoln signatures that exist. it's an endorsement so most of the time cut off of the letter and the rest of the letter stornoway. there is very popular, i didn't do it. [laughter] people did a long time ago when they were collecting lincoln. i can probably wrote more than any other time but this man take the oath of december 8, 1863 and be discharged. in this case, he signed december 31, 1864. in this case, for those of you want to see it, i'll put a link in the comments so you can see it. it signed by lincoln and andrew johnson we were talking how many times were those men in the same room together but maybe three bucks this is a very interesting link but what it tells us, but this man taken out discharged. the law lincoln is talking about and how does it affect the confederates at the end of the work bucks. >> december 163, we can and should what became known as the plan that would part of any confederate to voluntarily surrender or put on their weapon and quit fighting the union. johnson,

stanton cannot say anything to pope until abraham lincoln gets back to washington d.c. abraham lincoln left for west point june 23, he kept his departure a secret from those in washington d.c., a secret from the press heading up to west point to meet with general winfield to ask my views in writing to further dispositions to be made, lincoln is traveling to west point to meet with winfield scott asked scott if pope is capable of commanding several armies in the eastern theater of the war. sounds like we can place his confidence in pope and perhaps popes record issue has something to back it up with. although lincoln does not specifically mention pope in this conversation in the suitability whether or not he can take this command and account written down about this, it was certainly discussed, lincoln on his return back had a train stop in new jersey and he shares with the press then why he had gone to west point and he alludes to the situation that it's grueling back in washington d.c. we can set when the birds and animals are looked at through a fall, they are seen as

i will do a pitch for abraham lincoln bookshop. if you want to collect stuff, what john now did is a perfect example what can happen if you -- with this obsession of yours. it is valuable. it's not just you. it's a really valuable thing. anyway, it's a great job. congratulations. >> thank you. >> i know you love doing it and you have all this great stuff to work with. for the folks at home, caroline is also the author of "remembering the civil war, reunion and the limits of reconciliation." and "burying the dead, but not the past, the lost cause." when i see that book, professor, of course, i think of having karen cox on the show a few months ago. there's the late robert e. lee statue in richmond. of course, she had done dixie's daughter. this topic of women -- southern women in the post-war is crucial to understanding the civil war, i think. >> right. the work that karen does dovetails nicely together. the lee monument or former lee monument that the daughters of the confederacy rallied around, it was something i wrote about in th

and abraham lincoln? >> yes the southerners did make a lot of fun of lincoln for being a person who chopped wood. it did to the northern masses. i would say it's far more policy. in here i'll take the opportunity to address one of the questions about race. was lincoln hated because the criticism of them was racist? : : : so i think that connection between racism resettlement and policies takes us to the lincoln administration and reconstruction and gets redirected in the 20 century when it comes to people like johnson and nixon. >> i would say i'm going to offer a third option. jefferson not necessary policy that politics put himself forward as embodying his sword of small d democratic politics so he was needed in a sense for that combo. >> interesting. as is always the case there's so much more to say which is why we keep saying it. i want to thank our panelists for joining this roundtable. obviously we would much rather have done these things in person and we look forward to doing them again in person b

was a biography of lincoln called "abraham lincoln: racist." with i don't agree with it. the author was my friend. we were good friends in chicago. we got along very well. we argued with each other rather vigorously. but we're friends. and we respected each other as scholars. and this is my point, is that these are different ways of seeing history. and teachers and students benefit -- >> yes. >> -- from these conversations. >> in our culture wars, people can cherry pick facts without nuance, and when you say abraham lincoln was a racist, his statues need to come down, you overlook the fact that before he died he came around to supporting black suffrage and black civil rights, and had he not have been assassinated -- >> and it's important to know. and again, this goes back to thinking about they're complicated and that it's important to stand for principles, the different -- the american historical association issued a very strong criticism of the san francisco school board when it was about to change the name of 44 schools including abraham lin

common abraham lincoln signatures that exists. it is an endorsement. most of the time, it's cut off of these letters and the rest of the letters are thrown away. it was very popular. i didn't do it. [laughs] people didn't a long time ago and they were collecting lincoln. it is this -- lincoln probably wrote every other time, let this man take the oath of december 8th, 1863, and be discharged. a blinken, in this case, he signed it in 1864. in this case, just for those of you who want to come and see it later, i will put a link in the commons so you can see it. it is signed by a blinken and andrew johnson, and carrie and i were just talking, how many time where those men in the same room together? right? maybe three? so, this is a very interesting linkage. it tells us that it refers to let this man take the oath, december 4th 1863 and let him be discharged. what is the law lincoln is charging it -- talking about, and how does that -- confederates? >> lincoln had what was known as the 10% plan. any confederate before the rank of colo

was a racist was a biography of lincoln called abraham lincoln:racist. i don't agree with it. the author was my friend, we were good friends in chicago, we got along very well. we argued vigorously but we were friends, we respect each other as scholars and this is my point, that these are different ways of seeing history and teachers and students benefit from these conversations. >> in our culture wars people can cherry pick facts without nuance, and when you say abraham lincoln was a racist, stages need to come down you overlook the fact that before he died he came around to supporting black suffrage and black civil rights and had he not been assassinated - >> it is important to know, this goes back to things, they are complicated and it is important to stand for principles with different political valences. the american historical association issued a strong criticism of the san francisco school board when it was about to change the name of 44 schools including abraham lincoln high school and we said no. don't have a process where you consulted histori

abraham lincoln is your liberator. martin lutherking spoke down at the lincoln memorial, he spoke of you. spoke of your dreams. and now you have the opportunity that less than 13,000 americans have ever had to serve in this body. but madam speaker, why at times do i feel the rhetoric that i hear from some almost dislike this country. don't want to tear down -- they want to tear down the founding fathers. want to rename the schools. no one ever said we were perfect. but we strive to be a more perfect union. i would hope those members would come to my office, see the paintings, see how far we've come. frederick douglass had every reason to hate this nation. born into slavery. sold from his parents. taught to read. but was beaten for it. gave bible studies to the other slaves. was beaten, escaped. became a free throw man. became an adviser and one of the best friends to abraham lincoln. he had as much to do about america bonding together, of healing, and driving, where everybody would be equal. so yes, we are a nation of

it was at this time he was in washington that tyler met president-elect abraham lincoln. he came away from lincoln very impressed. lincoln was quite unimpressed with john tyler he returned the favor. once virginia seceded from the union in 1861, tyler won election to the provisional kind congress and eventually sought election to the permanent congress, he won. this is the best example of how politics retains its hold on him. how he was addicted to politics. he died before he would take a seat in congress he died january of 1862. but he should have stayed out of it. i'm very critical of him for the decision to get back into politics. critical because it really tarnishes historical reputation beyond repair. he was starting to enjoy a little bit more of the statesmen like settlement the american people had for him. a lot of bad feelings that had developed on him being banished from the whigs ranks had seceded in historical memory a little bit. getting involved in the politics again , coming up of retirement and part of the confederate government ruined all of that. he renou

for every line in-state ceremony abraham lincoln has used this which remains at the capitol, they preserve it and display it when the visitor center reopens, it's on display in the exhibition paid to. they have the laying in-state ceremony and they proceed november 11, 1921. they took her casket by horseback they take it over, they have the state funeral ceremony in the amphitheater recently completed. it presided over by harding and the interment is made on the other side of the amphitheater here, created tomb for the unknown older. you can see this is a small snapshot of the thousands upon thousands of americans who came to pay tribute. this one person representing so many more about the channel through which they could participate in public memory. congress' involvement in the tomb of the unknown soldier and how we pay tribute to those lost did not end with the first world war and interment of the first. in 1926, congress appropriated funds to authorized spending to increase improve the tomb of the unknown soldier and enhance the tomb of the unknown older by adding this march monument o

you j talk about abraham lincoln in you open the gambit with those superstars in many ways and you talk about checkers and about 40 years they have lost three t professional checkers matches which is unimaginable and tim you talk about darryl huff this person who wrote how to rely and statistics. both of these play a role in this great machine that was supposed to be over predict things and it didn't work. maybe could say about one of your favorite stories and to me that's the interest point to deal with complexity. maybe it could be as hard as choosing your favorite child. the thing that you love about something that you want to share? >> i fell in love with the public health campaign florence nightingale was waging in the 18 50's and 1860s. she was most famous as a nurse that she was a pioneer of digitalization. she began a public health revolution by going into the details of the opposition she was facing from a medical establishment and the point she wants to make about the importance of hygiene but then realizing people are listening and i'm not getting my point across. i don't hav

when abraham lincoln's election insi november of 1860 brought secession and eventually civil war,gh tyler decided he had to c back into politics. i like this image ono the left that shows fortress monroe during the civil war. fortresss monroe, the norfolk area, is where john tyler and julia honeymooned in the summer of 1844. tyler became the chair of an conference in washington in february of 1861. it was at this time while he was in washington for the peace conference thatt tyler met president-elect abraham lincoln. he came away from lincoln very unimpressed. lincoln was quite unimpressed with john tyler. he returned the favor. once virginia receded from the union in april of 1861, tyler won electionun to the provision confederate congress and eventually sought election to the permanent congress. he won. this is the best example of how politics retained its hold on him, how he was addicted to politics. now, he died before he could take his seat in the congress. hehe died on january 18th, 1862. but he should've stayed out of it. i'm very2. critical of him for this decision toi' get back i

i'm proud abraham lincoln was the first republican president. now, i tell you, at night i look at these two paintings and i wonder in moments in time what if abraham lincoln was not assassinated. malice towards none. there would be no jim crow laws. mr. speaker, i'd love to debate jim crow one day. another portrait hanging down from lincoln, joseph rainey, the first black american to be elected to congress. he was a republican. mr. speaker, 60 years later, the first black democrat was elected to congress. you see, joseph rainey was a slave and broke free and came back after the civil war and got elected in charleston, south carolina. we defeated that original sin. joseph rainey wasn't the only black republican elected. more started getting elected. in the south, we had a competitive presidential election that the democrats said they would recognize the republican if they moved the federal troops out of the south. and when they did, democrat won the states and they enacted jim crow laws. one of the darkest moments in our history. had abraham linc

that was abraham lincoln and frederick douglass. brian tells a story in his new book and he joins us now. people that follow the program, follow us on fox and friends know that frederick douglass is my idol. in fact, i have a big portrait. i know you have guys have it, it's on my right arm. >> there we go. >> he's my hero. and he is my compass and my political philosophy. you have a tough job. you had to weigh income of the pros and cons of douglass and abraham lincoln how they had a partnership at the end of the day. >> very few cons when it comes to frederick douglass. if you look at lincoln, he had to go over leaps in bounds. i think that attracted me most of the story what it meant to america in once again the two most unlikely people imaginable rows up at the right time when america needed them most. no one would have bet on abraha lincoln. yelled at every time he went to read and write, one year of formal education. frederick douglass, he didn't know when he was born, he never met his parents he may be met his mom once or twic

for both of you, jordan you talk about that from abraham lincoln >> they were also present in so many ways and then if you talk about marion tinsley in about 40 years, has lost three professional, that is unimaginable) the rise of compus at that point and then you talk about this thing about darrell, this persons who wrote the statistics but then broke number seven is one of my favorite three talk about transparency in computers and how to get both os these play a role in these google trends come the great machine that will predict so many things but that did not work. maybe each of you can say a little bit about what are your favorite stories or something, to me that is the entrance point for normal human to jump into these complexity of these beautiful stories and maybe it could be as hard as choosing a favoriteg child, my fourth one s my favorite by far but some might have a harder time. is there something that you love about what you wrote and you would love to share in your own voice heard. >> i really fell in love withth the public health campaign, florence nightingale was ragin

that we may never see in a person like abraham lincoln that the modern president and they have not achieved the level of greatness of people like lincoln had and we want to try to understand what that might be. and maybe the fault lies within the individuals who held office and with the recent terms in one thing that we know as americans love to rank things so i estimate that 67 percent of the content are listed thanks. so here are some interesting rankings that i recently came across in the hard work that i have been doing as a professor. the stupid people on twitter, four . zero and is better than version 2.0. if anything if your password is on that list, is already singing enough in the past 25 ranked by stupidity in a definitive ranking of every big brother season was the least and the 26th drake means and that one is actually kind of cool rated the definitive ranking of selfies posted on the internet and i look this one up and the messages do not take selfies of funerals, that is kind of the take away point there. americans also at that also breaking their presidents, and the most famo