bill buckley won the cold war. >> it's a compressed version that ideas have consequences and bill make conservative ideas accessible and fun with the spirit and the cheerfulness in a political argument. when barry goldwater for whom i cast my first presidential vote in 1964 when he first got into politics i think he was running for the city council of unix in 1948. he said politics ate for life and it might be fun. pretty much turned out to be life for him. writing about it is fun. i am a compulsive writer and i can't stop. i write one other write one other columns a year and i'm alwaysm ng writing books but i happen to like politics. i've spoken with a lot of politicians. i dislike some of their attributes but we have to have politics and we have to have government and we have to have laws. the whole culture of democracy is a culture of persuasion and argument -- if you don't like arguing you've picked the wrong country. >> there's a difference between making an argument in fighting. a lot of people tend to do that with social media and things like that. how do you stay focused on mak

and therefore bill buckley won the cold war. >> that's consequential. >> that's the compressed version but i did that had consequences, building conservative ideas accessible and brought up a lab and a spirit of cheerfulness.to the business of political arguments. >> how important is the fun? >> went very goldwater might have my first vote in 1964, when he first went into politics i think hewas running for the council in 1948 . he wrote a letter to his brother that said it before life and it might be. >> it turned out to be pretty much for life but it certainly he brought me to do something else. >> first of all, writing about is fun. i love to write. i'm a compulsive writer. i can't stop. i write 100 columns a year and i'm always writing books. but i happen to like politics. i like a lot of politicians. i dislike some of them and dislikes some of their attributes but i admire the business. we have to have politics. we have to havegovernments, we have to have walls. therefore we have to argument . the whole culture of democracy is at bottom a culture of persuasion . and argument is par

. >> host: i was going -- so many of your writings, i remembered you call bill buckley the most consequential writer of the 20th century. >> guest: consequential journalist. >> host: you would remember your columns better than i. >> guest: [inaudible] >> host: but, of course, he had a purpose, in the "national review" and the thinks is doing advocating for. what made him -- why did you call them the most consequential? >> guest: because before ronald reagan that was barry goldwater who captured the republican water for conservatism. before gary wallner -- affords very goldwater there with the "national review" that made the nomination i can secure possible and before those "national review" the was a young deal graduate and bill buckley and, therefore, the buckley won the cold war. >> host: that's consequential. >> guest: that the compressed version, yes. butd ideas have consequences. bill make conservative ideas accessible. he brought in the spirit and cheerfulness to the business of political argument. .. went very goldwater might have my first vote in 1964, when he first went into politics

. >> host: so many of your writings i remember you called bill buckley the most consequential writer of the 20th century. he had a purpose with of the things he a was advocating for. why did you call him the most consequential? there was r a national review in 1964 and before there was the national review with there was the spark in the young mind therefore bill buckley among the cold war. >> the compressed version, yes. and at the cheerfulness to the political argument. >> how important is the fund? >> traffic. on whom i cast my first vote in 1964 i think was running for the city councilrs in phoenix in 198 and wrote a letter to his brother and it might be life and it might be fun. it certainly wasn't fun. do something else. first of all, i love to write. one hundred columns a year, but i happen to like politics like a lot of politicians. but i admire the business. we have to have politics and government and laws. therefore we have to have argument, the culture of democracy is a bottom of culture persuasion and the argument is fun. if you don't like argument, you picked the wrong co

buckley and ronald reagan in the 60s, we can fight back again to make ourselves up positive for the party. bret: i hear all the time people say i love president trump's policies but i did not love his personality or the comments with the insults. can those things be separated? with him as a political figure? absolutely. >> the policies have been outstanding, cutting taxes, cutting regulation, conservative judges and justices. strength overseas. new trade policies. all of those things have added to american a very positive way. i think it's still a center-right country in a country that is lurching back against the crazy liberalism going on in this country right now by joe biden and kamala harris. it can be separated and it should be separated. it's made harder if we have this discussion about 2020 in stolen elections which make the american people feel like were living in the past and not worried about the future. i think if donald trump wants to be a part of that, that is fine and is his choice. but it's his choice if he wants to talk about the past or if we want to talk about the

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