he promptly joined the new nixon administration in 199 working with daniel patrick moynihan and later working with domestic adviser john ehrlichman a special system to the president for urban affairs. he ultimately became head of government relations for chase manhattan bank and present ceo of the federal bank of pittsburgh. a special note jonas joined this evening by his daughter alexandria so welcome to both of you. john's new book "the last liberal republican" an insider's perspective on nixon's surprising social policy" reveals the influence of those of moynihan and ehrlichman and the broader demonstrations very at ease. these men who surrounded the president impacted american social policy for decades much of which we are only realizing now. richard nixon shocked democrats the extent of his -- he proposed a guaranteed family income and almost achieved a national health insurance program as a republican but i will save the rest of the conversations for these two gentlemen so pleased turn me in welcoming john roy price in frank gannon. [applause] b at the division of labor. it's a

daniel patrick moynihan used to call semantic infiltration. it wasn't his term. he got it from a sociologist in the 1970s. but it's a brilliant notion. the notion is if you use -- if we can get them to use our language, we have won half of the battle of the presentation. >> okay. >> and so an example for me of semantic infiltration, which is driving me crazy is a couple of words that i am going to say and really don't want to say in the next few minutes, and those words are proud boys, which i do not want to say. >> ah. >> and oath keepers, which i do not want to say, because i think both of those are cases of semantic infiltration. those boys have nothing to be proud of. but that's what they're called in their subpoenas. and the oath keepers don't believe in oaths that matter. and so i'm trying to find language for them that isn't what they want, that isn't the title they want. >> i will say that with both of those groups, particularly the proud boys, but also a little bit with the oath keepers, i have always found them to be inadvertently fu

daniel patrick moynihan said politics is important but politics follows culture and where we are culturally will determine a lot about our politics. you are looking at that right now. >> sandra: it's tangible for them and so are the pocket book issues. for us who have seen empty store shelves, not getting deliveries. the high price of just about everything. you feel that. and that impacts voters big time thanks to both of you. >> thanks. >> bill: good discussion there. interesting piece in the "washington post" this morning. talked to a lot of voters in virginia and there is a quote from a pastor in norfolk. seems like a democrat. he says this branch of the democratic party is fighting that branch of the democratic party. they are kind of like a house that's really divided against itself and when that happens, he says, nothing gets done. nothing. >> sandra: case in point today. >> bill: correct. that's his quote. you wonder how many people in virginia are thinking the same way he is be it democrat or republican. you will hear from glenn youngkin later this hour joining us live from his head