. >>> let's get more with our chief political analyst gloria borger. john cass sick, the former republican governor of ohio, is with us. cnn's jeffrey toobin with us,

let' bring in hairy litman and gloria borger. gloria, let's start with the recording of the former president and i think about former vp mike pence saying he and the former president had a good conversation after the insurrection and they've come to an understanding. what is there to understand if he believes there that there is common sense to stage a coup. >> and mike pence has been trying to downplay this saying that they have had some amicable conversations and that when he said publicly is that we've agreed we don't see eye to eye. who the president told john carl in this interview is, i didn't really care. i thought he was fine. and who can blame these rioters because, quote, they were very angry. and the more you think about it, if you try to get into donald trump's mind which i will admit is difficult, if you try to get inside of donald trump's mind as he looks at this, the insurrectionist were doing in public exactly the same thing that he was doing in private. he was trying to overturn the election, by calling state ele

. >> let's dig deeper with cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger and cnn's senior commentator and former ohio governor john kasich. gloria, not only did congresswoman boebert refuse to publicly apologize but she actually doubled down in that twitter video accusing congressman omar of sympathizing with terrorists. this is so outrageous. >> it is. you just keep waiting for an adult to enter the room and to tell her that she cannot do this, that she does not represent what the republican party ought to be. that adult ought to be mr. kevin mccarthy who happens to be the leader of the republicans in the house and instead he remains silent. he met with her privately, spoke with her privately, told her she needed to apologize. she tried to do that. obviously she has no sense wof what that means. this continues and is going to continue unabated until a grown up steps in and says, we're going to ostracize you. we're going to tell you, you can't do your job here because this is not who we are. and we haven't heard that. >> governor kasich, the congresswoman omar responded, saying this part,

i'm joined now by cnn analyst gloria borger. where are the adults in congress, gloria? >> i don't know. i think they are hiding in the basement, but they are certainly not out front in the republican party, and the person i'm talking about is kevin mccarthy who happens to be the leader of the republicans, and i know that he has talked to -- to these women privately. he certainly talked to boebert privately. let me say that, and, you know, expected that perhaps there would be an apology, et cetera, et cetera, to ilhan omar in a phone call that disintegrated and then they went at each other again. look, this is a problem for mccarthy because he's not doing what a leader should do which is he should say we will not tolerate this in the republican party. this is not what we stand for. this is not who we are, and if you can not behave you won't be on your committees. you will be ostracized by the republican party. we have more important things to talk about than your fighting with your fellow colleagues. i mean, it's interesting to me to recall that when the democrats were f

joining us now, gloria borger and scott jennings. scott, thanks for being with us. scott, i want to start with you. i'm not going to ask you to agre adefend that unless you agree with that but this is an important change in the pandemic here in the u.s. as a political weapon, is that what is coming from the rest of the party or is he out on a limb by himself? >> i think he's out on a limb. i think what everyone hopes and prays for is that variant comes and goes and is mild and doesn't change our trajectory which is the vaccines work and they continue to work and we'll get back to normal life some day. i think what he's tapping into is that a lot of republicans believe that during the pandemic voting laws were changed to accommodate the pandemic and that we were all trapped inside, and a lot of republicans believe democrats want to put those into law permanently even if the pandemic goes away. and so that is what he's tapping into. and i suspect he won't be the only republican you hear sort of giving voice to that general concern. >> gloria, just to remind people thi

perspective now from cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger. and s.e. cup. gloria, first of all, what do you make of the plan for a democrat resolution to censure congressman gosar? >> we are not sure if it's going to go anywhere. they are going to introduce it on friday. um, i think it's not surprising that it comes from the democrats. remember, it was the democrats who voted to strip marjorie taylor greene of her committee assignments. um, who said, you know, this shall not stand and they put that on the house floor. so clearly, they believe something has to be done but it's -- as you were talking about just a moment ago, where is kevin mccarthy? this is about leadership. this is about his leadership team. this is about how a member of congress ought to behave, not about well, gee, you know, will this hurt me with donald trump? because donald trump likes paul gosar, i want to be the next speaker of the house and on and on. i mean, there is a moral obligation, it would seem to me, to speak out and say this can't stand. this person needs to learn a lesson he

joining me now is chief political analyst gloria borger and reporter jeff zeleny. terry mcauliffe was really banking on the passage of the two biden bills and what we see now is he's doubling down on his attacks against trump and really playing defense on social issues like education. does he think that's a winning strategy at this point? >> it's the best thing that he has because the reality is terry mcauliffe and his campaign have been doing one thing above all. looking for those biden voters. a year ago joe biden won the commonwealth by virginia by ten percentage points, so there are millions of joe biden voters out there. yes, they may not be as enthusiastic. yes, they may not like what they are seeing, all of them, in washington with this democratic divide, but that is what terry mcauliffe has been trying to do to make his opponent a trump-like clone, but that has proven to be much more difficult than any democrat expected. that's because glenn youngkin, never run for office and people well know donald trump. he's defined himself again and again and glenn youn

jessica dean is at the capitol and phil mattingly is at the white house and gloria borger joins us. what is the latest where this stands? >> right now, anderson, right over my shoulder, that way they are debating this bill and then they'll move into the final vote on the build back better act and just to remind everyone it will leave the house and it will head over to the senate where it is very likely that it will be taken apart and put back together and there are things in the bill like paid family leave and other items that will likely come out when it goes to the senate and it's got to come back to the house and there's still a long road ahead and for tonight, this is a first major step forward and house speaker nancy pelosi doesn't like to put things on the floor and doesn't put things on the floor that she doesn't know will pass and just in the last hour or so after that cbo score that you just mentioned came out, we had heard from the holdouts, and the moderates and there were a handful of them that were waiting to get this score in order to get their support from this bill a

let's turn to our chief political analyst gloria borger for an analysis on this. good evening to you. so they're trying to vote -- >> hi, don. >> on the president's build back better plan tonight. but you know kevin mccarthy speaking for more than an hour. what is this all about? >> well, for kevin mccarthy, it's a show to his conservatives that he's got enough to become the next speaker of the house. you know, they've been unhappy with him. you know, they think, you know, why did you let those 13 republicans, those turncoats vote for infrastructure, for example. you know, they're -- you know, they don't like him. and so today he also came out and said, you know, if i were speaker, i would put paul gosar back on his committees, marjorie taylor greene too. so now he is standing on the floor for an hour with a binder full of talking points. and he's going to go on and on for goodness knows how long. >> he is really trying to appeal to the trumpy base of the party. >> yeah. >> because he knows that he screwed up when it comes to what happened on january 6. so he is t

perspective now from cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger and s.e. cupp. gloria, first of all, what do you make of the plan for a democrat resolution to censure congressman gosar? >> we are not sure if it's going to go anywhere. they are going to introduce it on friday. i think it's not surprising that it comes from the democrats. remember, it was the democrats who voted to strip marjorie taylor greene of her committee assi assignments. who say, you know, this shall not stand, and they put that on the house floor. so clearly, they believe something has to be done but it's -- as you were talking about just a moment ago, where is kevin mccarthy? this is about leadership. this is about his leadership team. this is about how a member of congress ought to behave, not about well, gee, you know, will this hurt me with donald trump? because donald trump likes paul gosar, i want to be the next speaker of the house and on and on. i mean, there is a moral obligation, it would seem to me, to speak out and say this can't stand. this person needs to learn a lesson here.

borger joins us as well. where is the latest where this stands? >> right now, anderson, right over my shoulder, that way they are debating this bill and then they'll move into the final vote on the build back better act and just to remind everyone it will leave the house and it will head over to the senate where it is very likely that it will be taken apart and put back together. there are things in the house version of this bill like paid family leave and other items that are likely going to come out when it goes to the senate. then it's got to come back to the house. so there is still a long road ahead. but for tonight, this is the first major step forward. and as you mentioned, house speaker nancy pelosi does not like to put things on the floor and really doesn't put things on the floor that she doesn't know will pass. and just in the last hour or so after that cbo score you mentioned came out we have heard some of the holdouts from before from some of the moderates. there were a handful of them that were

let's discuss all of this with our chief political analyst, gloria borger and cnn's senior commentator, the former ohio governor, john kasich. gloria, americans have certainly gone through nearly two years now of the covid pandemic and now they're facing these higher prices heading into the holidays. you feel like people just can't get a break right now? >> yeah, absolutely. it's been a long couple of years, woclf, and i feel like te white house feels like it can't get a break either. they feel like the good news they've brought to the american people like increasing jobs, higher wages, stock market surging, is being overtaken by inflation, which they had said was temporary. it doesn't appear to be that way. so now they have to have a recalibration about how they talk about this to the american public and what they're going to do about it. z >> governor kasich, how much political pressure does this put on president biden right now? >> well, you know, wolf, when you think about inflation and gloria's right. this is something that affects people every day. you go to fill up your car with

. >>> i want to bring in chief political analyst gloria borger and david axelrod. gloria, more work to be done, but take a look at what's in this sweeping climate and social spending bill that passed the house of representatives. will this be a transformational moment? >> if he gets this through as phil mattingly was saying. but when you take a look at everything that's on this graphic, wolf, you see that even if they get part of it, they are affecting younger families in this country, older families, families in poverty. and they're talking about the future. they're talking about fighting climate change. they're talking about things like child tax credit. paid family leave, which as we all know, joe manchin objects to. who knows if that's going to remain or not remain. but given the struggle to get this through, what is remarkable about what happened this morning is the virtual unity of the democrats in supporting this. we all know what they went through with the progressives and the moderates and there was only one democrat voting against this. all republicans vo

. >>> i want to go to gloria borger now, our chief political analyst. and, gloria, i actually want to start with congresswoman lofgren ended. that she feels ashamed to serve with someone who would -- would tweet something like this and do something like this. um, and yet, and as i point out, right, this is not something that should be, in any way, political. to say that tweeting out a video of yourself killing a colleague is wrong. it's just wrong and there should be some consequences. but we have heard nothing from republican leadership. nothing. >> no, i mean, erin, if you did that or i did that about any of our colleagues, we'd be gone. we'd be fired. and deservedly so. and the fact that we haven't heard from the republican leadership about this is a disgrace. you know? this is -- this -- this is somebody who thought it was funny. you know, his staff said, you know, relax. take it easy. you know? everyone's overreacting to this. um, and that's not right. that's wrong. so, he's disgraceful, pathetic, whatever -- whatever you want to say. and he doesn'

so i want to now go to gloria borger, our chief political analyst. so, gloria, there is a lot to talk about here, including a lot of what the governor just said. um, but let me just start with congressman gosar. so, the last time a member of congress was censured, you know, because it sound -- current political environment, lot of people probably think it happens all the time but it doesn't. it hasn't happened since 2010 and at that time, it was democratic congressman charlie wrangle of new york who was censured by his own party over various ethics violations. anyone who lives in new york remembers the new york post pictures and coverage of that. what we are seeing today is not common. >> no, it is not common. it's only happened a couple-dozen times in our nation's history and the reason it's not common is because it's -- it's important and it shows you what you need to do to get censured. it -- it just shows you how serious it is. that it's happened so few times. they don't do it all the time and what i think we are going to see -- and you have been

and cnn's chief political analyst, gloria borger. jeffrey, how important are these witnesses going to be as the committee tries to piece together the events that led to january 6th? >> well, they're very important, but i think the odds of the committee hearing from any of them are remote. what jumps out about these six is none of them worked for the government so none of them should be in a position even to claim executive privilege for protecting their conversations, but like bannon, they are likely to refuse to testify because they are all trump loyalists. but look what's happened to steve bannon. yes, the house referred him for contempt to the justice department, but the justice department has been dithering since october 21st doing nothing, allowing bannon to run out the clock and it certainly seems like this six will follow a very similar pattern and this committee cannot last forever. the fact that they will go to court means that they will be able, it seems to me, to run out the clock on all of this. >> gloria, some of these w

. >>> let's discuss this with gloria borger and kim. it's been about two weeks since a majority of the house of representatives, a bipartisan vote, voted to refer criminal contempt of congress charges against bannon to the department of justice. attorney general merrick garland has not yet weighed in. how long do you think it's going to take before he makes a decision one way or the other? >> gloria and i were talking off air. there's a new u.s. attorney and that's the person that would make this decision. and so it could be a matter of days. could be a matter of weeks but this has to happen really soon or we are going to see a break down of congress itself. and its ability to do these kinds of investigations which frankly the problem traces back to the first impeachment and acquittal on obstruction of congress. congress said it's okay if you ignore all requests, white house, and here we're paying the price. the american people are paying the price. >> that's the point. until they make a decision, right, until these other individuals, s

. >>> let's get more with our chief political analyst gloria borger. john cass sick, the former republican governor of ohio, is with us. cnn's jeffrey toobin with us, the author of "true crimes and misdemeanors: the investigation of donald trump". the committee is sending mark meadows another letter. how hard is it going to be for them to get the information they want from him? >> well, it's going to be difficult but it just got a bit easier because they now have new leverage. now that the justice department agreed to indict steve bannon, this threat of an indictment is now real. bannon obviously sees an environment as a marketing opportunity. he seems to be having the time of his life as a defendant. most people actually don't feel that way about being a criminal defendant. mark meadows lives more in the real world. the idea of being a criminal defendant is probably a lot less appealing to meadows than to bannon. >> i suspect you're totally right on that. gloria, the committee soon issuing more subpoenas. a member told me in the last hour they want in

our chief political analyst gloria borger and professor. are you saying these things are not relevant? of course they're relevant, this was literally an attack on the congress' house, but then they're saying the request is enormously broad. it doesn't seem different from what she anticipated so far. >> as soon as they said alarmingly broad, she said even more alarmingly broad is your claim of executive privilege. we only have one president at a time. she also said it's quite alarming for you to ask these documents be withheld when you don't even explain what the harm is to the president of releasing them. she kept pressing mr. clark, who represented mr. trump. wha what's the harm to your client? and clark kept saying executive privilege. and she said, no, we're past that. we only have one president at a time. >> so if one is alarming and the other is alarmingly worse, it could go into favor here that congress has a right to all they requested? >> maybe they'll trim a few, like april 2020. she said maybe some of the political polls that were

tonight gloria borger looks at the journey adams has taken to get to city hall. >> reporter: for eric adams, it been a long and deliberate trek from his childhood home in blue collar queens to gracie mansion. >> right here was ms. brown. i used to run her papers. >> reporter: not anymore. how long have you wanted to be mayor? is this the job you always dreamed of? >> not always dreamed of but it happened 24 years ago. >> reporter: when a mentor gave him advice about climbing the political ladder, he took it. >> he said if you want to be mayor, here are four things you need to do. >> reporter: so he got a masters degree and joined the police department and became a state senator, then brooklyn borough president. >> i'm on queue what i'm supposed to do. i'm the mayor. >> reporter: what exactly happens next is anyone's guest. >> i'm evolving as a man. i'm evolving as a dad. i'm going to evolve if i'm the mayor of the city of new york. >> reporter: all guided by a personal anthem. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: frank sinatra's my way. >> it's just eric adams all the way. i'm sure you knew i bit off

tonight gloria borger looks at the journey adams has taken to get to city hall. >> reporter: for eric adams, it been a long and deliberate trek from his childhood home in queens to gray see mansion. >> right here was ms. brown. i used to run her papers. >> reporter: not anymore. how long have you wanted to be mayor? is this the job you always dreamed of? >> not always dreamed of but it happened 24 years ago. >> reporter: when a mentor gave him advice about climbing the political ladder, he took it. >> he said if you want to be mayor, here are four things you need to do. >> reporter: so he got a masters degree and joined the police department and became a state senator and brooklyn burro president. >> i'm on queue what i'm supposed to do. i'm the mayor. >> reporter: what exactly happens next is anyone's guest. >> i'm evolvinged a a man. i'm evolving as a dad. i'm going to evolve if i'm the mayor of the city of new york. >> reporter: all guided by a personal anthem. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: frank sinatra's my way. >> it's just eric adams all the way. i'm sure you knew i bit off more than i

our chief political analyst gloria borger and cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein as well. why was it so hard for virtually every republican to simply condemn gosar's behavior, hold him accountable? >> because this was about a lot of other things in addition to gosar's reprehensible behavior. i think they feel as mccarthy laid out that if they take control of the house that there's going to be an eye for an eye. and they wanted to use this as an opportunity to say to democrats, just wait. and as mccarthy said memorably, i believe, he said the speaker is burning down the house on her way out the door. and that was a warning that if you do this to gosar, we're going to do this to you. we're going to strip your members from committee. we're going to censure your members if we believe they have behaved badly. so be careful what you do. so they were trying to make -- it should have been an easy vote. it seemed to be for cheney and kinzinger. but they were making a larger political point which is that you, democrats, you're going to get it and by the way, you're a bunch of hypocr

. >> gloria borger and margaret. things are moving quickly. here is a plan. we have to go back and say that is not a viable plan any more. >> see you later. >> for more on today's job's report and what is happening on capitol hill, let's bring in jason ferman. jason good to have you. especially in this moment. considering the conversation we just had, why can't democrats get this done as soon as there is a potential plan, it is out the window. what do you see? >> it is a very hard puzzle to try to solve with no margin for error. literally no margin in the senate. effectively no margin in the house. and a desperate set of views, y you have 99% of democrats on the sape page and you need 100% to get this done. >> so there are these moderates, five of them who want the score from the congressional budget office which estimates the economic impact, the cost of the legislation. should democrats wait for that cbo score which could take a couple of weeks before bringing the legislation up for a vote? >> i would love to see them vote as soon as possible. i understand

. >> let's discuss with our chief political analyst gloria borger and cnn's senior political commentator the former republican governor of ohio john kasich. governor, what goes through your mind hearing meadows suggest a that former president trump should be the speaker if the republicans become the majority after the midterm elections in the house? you were once a member of the house. >> i think he hit the nail on the head when he said meltdown. i mean, this is just so crazy. as i watch everything happening down there, which is a fact that the republicans did not condemn gosar for his cartoon favoring the execution of aoc and i'm trying to figure out, wolf, as i like to do streaming sometimes with my wife, can you say what is happening in washington, is it sci-fi? is it fantasy? maybe it's a horror film. you pick the category. you know? but it is just nuts. it goes on and on in the house of representatives and to some degree when we see the senate beginning to back candidates who donald trump was for, it looks like he is still running so much of the republican party. as to whether that

along with our chief political analyst, gloria borger. and shan wu, a former federal prosecutor who is also counsel to then-attorney general janet rino. so, evan, let's just start with the fact that this is a big move but it didn't come at the snap of a hand, right? it took 22 days for merrick garland to do this. got the grand jury involved and as jessica is laying out, um, there are challenges here. it's not just going to be an easy walk in the park to take this to a finish line. what was attorney general garland's thinking? and -- and why -- why -- why did he wait. >> well, look, i think for a lot of the critics who have been talking about this, i -- it seemed like a simple case. but inside this building and at the u.s. attorney's office, it was not that simple. as jessica pointed out, there is some novel issues raised by this. the justice department doesn't bring these type of cases very often. the justice department, you know, tends to be, frankly, on the side of people from the executive branch when they are defying congress because

gloria borger sat down with him to reflect on his long journey from the streets of brooklyn to gracie mansion. >> reporter: for eric adams, it's been a long and deliberate trek from his childhood home in blue-collar queens to gracie mansion. >> right here was ms. brown. i used to run her papers and her errands. >> reporter: not anymore. how long have you wanted to be mayor? is this the job you always dreamed of? >> not always dreamed of. but it happened 24 years ago. >> reporter: when a mentor gave him advice about climbing a political ladder, he took it. >> he said if you want to be mayor, here are four things that you need to do. >> reporter: so he got a masters degree and joined the police department. became a state senator, then brooklyn borough president. >> so i am on cue of exactly what i am supposed to do. >> reporter: what exactly happens next is anyone's guess. >> i'm evolving as a man. i am evolving as a dad. i am going to evolve if i am the mayor of the city of new york. >> reporter: all, guided by a personal anthem. frank sinatra's "my way." >> it is just eric adams all t

cnn's gloria borger recently spent time with adams in queens, new york, where he says it all started. >> for eric adams, it's been a long and deliberate trek from his childhood home in blue collar queens to gracie mansion. >> right here was ms. brown. i used to her her papers and errands. >> reporter: not anymore. >> how long have you wanted to be mayor? is this the job you always dreamed of? >> not always dreamed of, but it happened 24 years ago. >> reporter: when a mentor gave him advice about climbing the political ladder, he took it. >> he said if you want to be mayor here are four things you need to do. >> reporter: so he got a masters degree and joined the police department. became a state senator. then brooklyn borough president. >> so i'm on cue exactly where i'm supposed to be. >> i'm the mayor. >> reporter: what exactly happens next is anyone's guess. >> i'm evolving as a man, evolving as a dad. i'm going to evolve if i'm the mayor of the city of new york. >> reporter: all guided by a personal anthem. ♪ my way ♪ >> reporter: frank sinatra's "my way." >> it's eric adams a

. >>> gloria borger is with me, our chief political analyst and as i promised, larry sabato, founder and director of the university of virginia center for politics. the author of sab dough's crystal ball newsletter and, larry, of course, as i said, you are a virginian, true and true. and tonight, you say that this race is leaning republican. it had been leaning democratic. i mean, you know, jeff talks about the energy really shifting to glenn youngkin's side but i mean you are shifting this to lean republican. tell me why. >> well actually, jeff summarized it quite well. the fact of the matter is everything that could go wrong for terry mcauliffe has. much of it, not his fault. not under his control. let's be honest. president biden's ratings are way down nationally and in virginia. he is a little bit higher in virginia than he is nationally but not -- not that much. and the congressional democrats -- it's almost like they planned to torpedo mcauliffe's campaign. look at what happened today and this has been going on for months. the parading before the cameras and airing of all their

also with us, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger, and cnn political commentator david axelrod. i don't know, you guys, we're prepared for anything, whatever happens with all of you guys here. kat let's first talk about what president biden hopes to accomplish with in show today because i have a few excerpts from the speech he's going to make, and he's going to say i ran for president because the only way to move our country forward is through compromise and consensus. that's basically his mission statement, and this is, i think, exhibit a of it. >> yeah, i think that's also what the president is going to get across in the signing ceremony today, this is much more to the white house than roads and bridges. of course there's a lot for that. the president is saying this is what he is proving on the campaign trail. democracy can work, and democrats and republicans can come together. that is what the signing ceremony the white house believes is proof of, given of course this was a bill that was passed with both dremocrats and republicans. that is what the president will say, signing

. >> gloria borger, let's go big picture with you. >> sure. >> for the average american out there in montana or florida or arizona, what's the significance of what happened too? >> it's very significant because what it means is that congress has oversight responsibilities of the executive branch that cannot be denied, period. and that what the justice department has done today is to say, people who are contemptuous of that, people who do not honor congressional subpoenas will be held in contempt. and, you know, it's not like there's a huge fine or jail time or anything else like that because there is jail time, a maximum of a year, i believe, and a small fine, maybe a thousand bucks, whatever it is. but it's not good to be held in contempt of congress. and what it says is that congress has to be able to do its job, period. i just want to read something from congressman raskin who is on the committee. he says, and i quote, i am certain there will be little patience for anyone who is just blowing off congressional subpoenas. we have been moving promptly to respond to defiance, to any h

chief political analyst gloria borger and john harwood. wolf, what we just, how do you reconcile that from senator manchin with the narrative of they're just inches away, he still has plenty of questions and wants those answers before he gives support. >> they're not inched away, they're a long, long way away from a deal on the bigger package. he said vote on the bipartisan infrastructure package, get that out of the way, but as you know there is a lot of progressive democrats in the house of representatives who say they're not going to vote for that bipartisan infrastructure package unless at the same time they can vote ahead on the so-called reconciliation package, the $1.75 trillion package that deals with all sorts of social issues and climate change and other important issues and what manchin just said, there is no deal. and unless the progressive democrats decide to change their position, there is not going to be the bipartisan infrastructure package, pramila jayapal has made it clear of the 90 or so members of the progressive caucus

gloria borger, what are your thoughts watching this? >> i remember talking to colin powell back in 1995 when everyone wanted to recruit him to run for the presidency. what was so extraordinary -- of course it's kind of hard to turn people down when everybody seems to be saying you've got to run. and i had this conversation with him where he pointed to the stars on his shoulder and said, you know what? people have to listen to me because i have these stars. when you're in the oval office, they don't have to listen to you. and he said, you know, this is something i'm thinking about because what i do now is what i love, and i'm thinking about that i might not love that as much, because the authority i have now is very much unquestioned sometimes, and i kind of like that. >> in fact, he wrote two speeches, one in which he was going to announce his intention to run for the presidency, that he was going to deliver to his beloved alma mater, city college of new york, and one he announced he was not going to run. in the end, he delivered the se