, anas haqqani denied this. he said it had been concocted by the united states to split the taliban. have a listen. translation: the haqqani network is not a name - that we have ever used. it's part of the cia's programme to divide the islamic emirate of afghanistan. regarding the fight against the invaders, it is true that we were involved, we accept that. every afghan is proud of it. it is because of this fight that we ended the occupation. it is natural that there will be casualties in war. it happened to both sides and everyone is sorry for that. we are not happy about it and we ask all sides in the conflict to forgive each other. it is part of warfare. we were not the main cause of this war, however — the united states was. does it feel in afghanistan that the threat of violence is always there? and if so, how is the taliban dealing with that? the one thing the taliban said when they swept to power was that they were promising security for all afghans, but since they came to power 100 days ago, we have se

anas haqqani is the younger brother of sirajuddin haqqani, who is the main leader of the infamous haqqani network, and, as you have been saying, they have been synonymous with terrorism and linked with large—scale attacks on civilian populations across this country and on the coalition forces for the last two decades. sirajuddin haqqani has a $5 million bounty on his head, the united states says he has been closely linked with terrorist activities, as well as their uncle, khalil haqqani, the refugee minister. he also has a $5 million bounty on his head. when i asked about the links of the haqqani network to terrorism, to the militant wing of the taliban, anas haqqani denied this. he said it has been concocted by the united states to split the taliban. have a listen. translation: the haqqani network is not a name i that we have ever used. it's part of the cia's programme to divide the islamic emirate of afghanistan. regarding the fight against the invaders, it is true that we were involved, we accept that. every afghan is proud of it. it is because of this fight that we ended the occupat

anas haqqani is a leader of the haqqani network, and was a member of the taliban's negotiation team in its political office in qatar. well, anas haqqani has been speaking to the bbc�*s yalda hakim in kabul, and she joins us from the afghan capital now. as you said, i've been speaking to anas haqqani. to put it into context, the haqqani network has been infamous for some of the most large—scale attacks in this country on its civilians and coalition forces over the last two decades. his brother is currently the interior minister of the country and the united states has a $5 million bounty on him as well as on his uncle who is the refugee minister, the terrorist activities. anas haqqani is an influential member of the taliban as well as the haqqani network but he told me the whole idea that the haqqani network is one of the most dangerous terrorist organisations in the world is a myth that was concocted by the united states to split the taliban. this is what he had to say. translation: the haqqani network is not a name i that we have ever used. it is part of the cia's programme to div

the haqqanis were in charge of security at the airport. they had been running the kabul attack network for over a decade. we think of these groups as distinct, but they have lines of communication and often cooperate with even isis-k. i think this was a deliberate effort. i don't have evidence for this, but i think that was a deliberate effort to humiliate us on our way out. and what we heard our leaders saying, we're cooperating with the taliban on security. that ought to be stomach turning to all of us. we actually ceded our agency because we stuck with a surrender agreement. and guess what happens when you surrender to terrorists. this is what happens. >> that lead into my next question. some of the others want to jump in, that's fine. thoughts of the biden administration relying on the taliban to provide security around the hamid karzai air force. that's pretty much in line with what your just said. any of the others like to comment on that? >> it's a question of mission, and if the mission was, as i understand it was, to get out under

including the haqqani network. including the taliban. >> i agree with you, help make some sense of this for me. why is the biden administration not moving forward with removing, especially pakistan, status as a major non-nato ally? what would be the rationale? the purpose? >> i think they should move forward and maybe you are assessing it. that's a good idea, maybe. >> -- >> i would say the only time we have ever laid out a very clear and realistic assessment on that strategy is president trump's speech of august 2017. he abandoned it and i don't know how that happened but i think if you go back to that august speech, that was for pakistan as well. until pakistan fundamentally changes its behavior. >> let me ask you a follow-up. i know you can't answer for the biden administration. but secretary blinken accepted a speaking fee from the prime minister of pakistan and has praised the taliban. should we care about that? is that an issue? does that point to an issue that we should have concern about? >> i don't know an

the same haqqani network that launched the attack at the university in 2016, killing 15 faculty and students, that is who is now inhabiting it. >> yeah. kelly, we know you and your team are doing hard work, and frankly those folks on the ground, courageous work. thank you. we wish you the best of luck. thanks for coming on. >> thank you, jim. >>> still ahead, conservatives seizing on historic inflation, pressuring moderate democrats to not support president biden's build back better legislation. so what are the options for president biden? that's next. improve our workflow. attract new customers. that's when fastsigns recommended fleet graphics. yeah, and now business is rolling in. get started at fastsigns.com. [sigh] ♪ dramatic music ♪ [sigh] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [typing] ♪ ♪ [typing] ♪ ♪ [typing] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ music swells ♪ ♪ ♪ [footsteps] ♪ ♪ [typing] ♪ ♪ inspiration is out there. go find it. ♪ ♪ i'll shoot you an estimate as soon as i get back to the office. hey, i can help you do that right now. high thryv! thryv? yep. i'm the all-in-one management softw

my colleague yalda hakim who is in afghanistan — she spoke to senior taliban leader anas haqqani — who was calling for a new relationship with the west after 20 years of war with the american led coalition. translation: regarding the fight against the invaders, _ it's true that we were involved, we accept that. every afghan is proud of it. it's because of this fight that we ended the occupation. it is natural that there will be casualties in war. it happened to both sides, and everyone is sorry for that. we are not happy about it, and we ask all sides in a conflict to forgive each other. it's part of warfare. we were not the main cause of this war, however, the united states was. no one is defected to isis, except for maybe a few people who are getting a government salary under the old regime. the rest of us have been working without pay for the last two decades, fighting on empty stomachs. we are not worried about our fighters defecting to isis k, as they have been through hard times of us. it is only those who are getting paid a lot by nato that are worried about money. those poor gu

the haqqani network and al-qaeda are completely intertwined with the taliban. they and other terrorist organizations are celebrating a jihadist victory over the world superpower. they are using our surrender and withdrawal as isis used the establishment of the islamic state in 2014 after a complete withdrawal from iraq in december 2011 to contribute recruit more to the cause to the emirate of afghanistan. the islamic emirate of afghanistan will give jihadists access to the lucrative trade and other enterprises, state revenue and diverted international assistance. but your hottest terrorist organizations are not only growing larger in numbers, more confident and richer. they are also becoming more destructive in the face of our humiliating withdrawal. weapons will be shared with over 20 u.s. designated terrorist organizations in a terrorist ecosystem across afghanistan and pakistan. some of those groups have already turned against the nuclear armed pakistani army and government. it is not difficult to imagine terrorists gaining access to the most destructive wea

the interior minister is haqqani. that is a designated terrorist by the united states and has a $10 million bounty on his head and he's running security. of course they would do this. shouldn't have surprised anybody. doesn't surprise me. probably surprised the biden administration because clearly they didn't think about it. there's a bigger issue here. the bigger issue is what kind of message is this sending to our allies and adversaries as well about how well national security has done within the biden administration. when you have ukraine and russia and china, taiwan, the uighurs in china and the current talks the iranian nuclear talks going on in vienna. this does not go well for confidence in the united states decision making or the national security apparatus the united states has. this was predictable. you called it, i called it. the only thing we didn't call was the biden administration. >> martha: general, they said we will pick a time and place of our choosing to retaliate against isis-k and any forces that

i think these are propaganda statements by these taliban leaders, the haqqani network in particular. well it is not a terrorist operation, it has a gang of thieves. this is what the country has come to, it is part of the tragedy. when you look at the situation in the country, although than the humanitarian crisis, there is a relative security, if that's how i should describe it. i is a relative security, if that's howl should describe it. i have been to kandahar, _ howl should describe it. i have been to kandahar, helmand. i | howl should describe it. i have - been to kandahar, helmand. i have travelled by road, by plane. people are desperate because of the humanitarian situation, but in some of these remote areas they spoke about us aerial bombardment and some kind of relative security and peace coming to their areas. do you think the united states and other military strategy here in afghanistan was the wrong one? tia. strategy here in afghanistan was the wron: one? ., ,, strategy here in afghanistan was the wron: one? ., ~ _, . wrong one? no, i think we concede that any 20 — wron

fundamentally our goal is to make sure that we are implementing our sanctions regime against the taliban and haqqani network but at the same time allowing for the permissible flow of humanitarian assistance into that country. to that end we've met on a regular basis with humanitarian groups doing business in afghanistan as well as our international partners including the u.n. we've issued a series of general licenses that allow for the permissible floel of that humanitarian assistance going forward, and we're also consulting with these groups on specific issues they continue to have. we believe that ultimately in order for humanitarian assistance to flow, the taliban has to allow that to happen within the country. but we're in a position where we're taking very step we can within our sanctions regime to make clear to humanitarian groups that we want to facilitate the flow of humanitarian assistance to the afghan people. >> i presume that the state department -- well, i can't presume that because we have very little presence on the ground. who is actually monitoring the distribution of these humanita