jim baker and his dad did not enter as that event. he did not see himself as peacemaker or as a secretary of state helping to midwife the reunification of germany. this was an aspiration for some decades. there is a famous memo written by staff in the early days after the inauguration in 1989 in which they look at the possibility of german unification, they considered it a pipe dream not likely to happen in their lifetime. a few months later this happens, baker's key partner, of the soviet foreign minister mentioned this was a very unlikely close bond that baker forged and that he and bush had with gorbachev when you look at the state of the relationship today between the united states and russia, the whole succession of american presidents, of the relationship between baker and bush and gorbachev was much closer, much more friends in many ways. the imperative for stability was almost impossible to see since things were destabilizing every minute and nobody knew where things were going to end up. this is an opportunity for the united

jim baker george bush made the decision that yugoslavia was in europe. i am a supporter of the european union. very personally very strong supporter of nato. it seems to meet the europeans should've been able to do this. does not encourage decisive leadership they all have veto power the countries have veto power to stop unified decision-making and they did not do a good job. i will not say who is he is a former prime minister of the countries in you americans keep telling us what to do all the time i'm fed up with that. why didn't you fix bosnia? you just told us we should not have intervened and now you are telling me we should have fix ball you should have fix bosnia. or stop the civil war. he went on a long time, the dark team was the longest running team was sent into bosnia to provide aid in bosnia, you may know this but it was there seven or eight years. a long, long time. >> i have another question that came in that really is not about politics. it is more about particular students of foreign policy think the possibilities. india will begin this

jim baker george bush made the decision that yugoslavia was in europe. i am a supporter of the european union. very personally very strong supporter of nato. it seems to meet the europeans should've been able to do this. does not encourage decisive leadership they all have veto power the countries have veto power to stop unified decision-making and they did not do a good job. i will not say who is he is a former prime minister of the countries in you americans keep telling us what to do all the time i'm fed up with that. why didn't you fix bosnia? you just told us we should not have intervened and now you are telling me we should have fix ball you should have fix bosnia. or stop the civil war. he went on a long time, the dark team was the longest running team was sent into bosnia to provide aid in bosnia, you may know this but it was there seven or eight years. a long, long time. >> i have another question that came in that really is not about politics. it is more about particular students of foreign policy think the possibilities. india will begin this

jim baker george bush made the decision that yugoslavia was in europe. i am a supporter of the european union. very personally very strong supporter of nato. it seems to meet the europeans should've been able to do this. does not encourage decisive leadership they all have veto power the countries have veto power to stop unified decision-making and they did not do a good job. i will not say who is he is a former prime minister of the countries in you americans keep telling us what to do all the time i'm fed up with that. why didn't you fix bosnia? you just told us we should not have intervened and now you are telling me we should have fix ball you should have fix bosnia. or stop the civil war. he went on a long time, the dark team was the longest running team was sent into bosnia to provide aid in bosnia, you may know this but it was there seven or eight years. a long, long time. >> i have another question that came in that really is not about politics. it is more about particular students of foreign policy think the possibilities. india will begin this

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her portrait of the televangelist, who with her husband, jim baker, hosted a christian television programme, is mesmerising. jim bakker was arrested on counts of fraud in connection with their ministries and sent to jail. to many americans, tammy faye bakker, loved by her followers, stayed in the public consciousness as a figure of ridicule. this film takes her seriously. that was my goal, and it came from first watching the documentary the eyes of tammy fae. i watched it about ten years ago and i was shocked with how little i actually really knew about tammy and how full of compassion and love she was. i didn't know much about her beyond the drama and the media sensationalism. so it was really important for me to kind of right that wrong, not only for her family, her legacy, but also for the lgbtq audiences that she wrapped her arms around in a time when the conservative evangelical community was turning their backs on them. how much work was involved for you, every day when you were shooting the film, in transforming yourself to play the part? you really do become tammy faye bakker in the

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baker who was secretary of state at the time, they raised questions. they were concerned, looking to see if there was some other way out without going to war. once it had to be done, he was all in, he of course developed the powell doctrine, if you're going to do it, you're going to do it right, not let it drag out into something like vietnam. he did not want to go to war. he didn't want to go to war the first time in iraq, he didn't want to go to war the second time in iraq, he didn't want to go to war in the balkans. in the modern military era, they believe in the use of force when necessary but let's be very careful how we define necessary. >> and the other piece, he's also well-known i think for that sort of famous so-called pottery barn rule, telling former president bush, you break it, you bought it, basically. eugene, i wonder if you want to join in on this part of the conversation. >> do i. i'm reflecting on the fact that, first of all, everybody knows what the powell doctrine is. and who gets to have a doctrine? that gives you a sense of what

he handed in the information to not just anyone but jim baker, at the same time he handed it to him, he's spinning up the press saying i got information to the fbi, this is why it's so bad. so thank goodness they admitted there was wrong statements in all of these stories in the past. but people need to be held accountable. i don't know if it goes to top people in the fbi like andy mccabe. we'll find out. sure seems like it does. >> neil: there were stories that they won pulitzers for. the stories pulled up are the ones that they made corrections in. we'll see how many will be issued as this moves forward. i want to ask you a last question on an issue that we discussed in the past. merrick garland and the effort by the doj to make sure that any of these parents speaking out at the school board meetings that step over the line are under the purview or investigation of the fbi, a new development in that? >> there is. we just had a whistle-blower come forward. we got information from this individual yesterday. as he points out, the fbi, the day before, merrick garland was the, he testif

it there's another theory, remember they made the switch, ronald reagan a lot of people believe that jim baker was still chief of staff instead of ronald reagan. >> well that is another possibility and i don't know why he would want to be chief of staff so that. i know nancy did not like it. >> will i think her judgment was pretty correct printed. >> while he would say things like will not here into leaders or whatever countries, it would be right in the middle. but we always well she always like ronald ragan for some reason he doublecrossed us on the budget and i remember i think i told you this before that he came up with an exit with was champagne and chocolates and all of the stuff into the office. >> what was your first impression of bill clinton in the white house printed because a stories about you going down there more the story says that about the donuts. it. >> as first meeting coming in donuts at his place. it's always the donuts. the next meeting we had donuts in every meeting after that we had donuts grade at fatty very charming guy. i helped him out on nafta which i'm not s

there are a lot of people who remember if jim baker were still chief of staff instead of ronald reagan iran contra wouldn't have been announced. >> that's another possibility. i don't know why ronald reagan wanted to be chief of staff so badly. he was always kind of leaning over the president like i'm right here. two leaders of whatever countries and he's right in the middle. he double crossed us on the budget. i remember we came up the next day with champagne and chocolates and all this stuff -- >> what was your first impression of bill clinton in the white house because these stories about you going down there, and one of the stories is what? about doughnuts? >> yeah, first meeting i was like you don't even have doughnuts in this place. i thought he was a very charming guy. and i helped him out on nafta. a lot of our companies get out of this w.h.o. stuff and adverse bias rulings. anyway, and i remember talking to him about monica lewinsky. and i told him what i thought he should do to get a letter signed by 34 senators saying there's no way we're going to convict, to have it in your

baker to orchestrate the coalition. he goes through a detailed account almost day by day. i never asked him how he knew he made this phone call on this day. i think he must've kept a journal with a must-have archives of the state department. it is astonishing how many of these chapters are very detailed about exactly what happened from one day to the next. we have the archives of the bush presidency right next door some of the writers went and got documents to confirm. i wrote stuff i wasn't sure was true we went back to the archives and we corrected things. there was a real effort to find out exactly how this was done. >> gentlemen, congratulations on this great book transforming our world. it really is an excellent read. it's like walking in and seeing all those photos and saying oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, i had forgotten. congratulations this is a real service for anyone who cares about history and american foreign policy. congratulations and thanks again for joining us today. and thanks for it to everyone for listen

lot of people who believe if jim baker was still chief of staff instead of ronald reagan. the iran con ra never happened. >> oh, that's a possibility. -- >> he was always kind of leaning over the president like i'm right here. two leaders of the -- whatever countries, he's right in the middle. but, you know, we always got -- shiela always liked ronald reagan some reason. and he double crossed us on the budget. i think i told you this before. came up the next day with champagne and chocolates and all this stuff. >> what was your first impression of bill clinton in the white house? because these stories about you going down there and one of the stories is what? about the doughnuts? or. >> yeah. first meeting. you don't even have doughnuts in this place. always doughnuts republican. next meeting we had doughnuts. had'em every meeting after that. i thought he was a very charming guy. and i helped him out on nafta. which i'm not sure i look back on it and they were supposed to help me out on something which never happened. or allow our company to get out of this w.h.o. stuff. a

baker and george shultz, two form sister secretaries of state called for, that we would rebate 100% of, but get people to reshape the market, to truly incentivize investment in green technologies going forward. >> in the meantime, though, we are in a positioner than places like europe, where they don't have the supply of natural gas they have to go to vladimir putin and beg him to release natural gas, and if it gets cold, the europeans are in a very precarious position. >> if it's a cold and calm winter, you could find european countries in a choice -- or family, milleding to lower-income families in a situation of eat or heat that could be a huge setback for the green movement in europe the first thing they tell you if you go to brooks brothers and you want to buy a suit, it's really a good idea not to take your belt off before you have the suspenders in place. in germany, in 2010, germany got 22% of its electricity from nuclear power, virtually completely clean power they voted after fukupuck sh shim -- fukushima to phase it all out. now i just read a report hundreds of germans ha

and reagan's excited, jim baker is excited, george schultz is excited. colin powell said his first thought was you can't do this, i spent my entire life training to fight the soviets. what did he do? he learned to do with a new challenge. tim mentioned we don't focus on good news. doesn't get enough attention. think about what happened. the soviet union collapsed. the iron curtain fell. lithuania, latvia, poland, the czech republic, and nothing happened. nothing bad happened, right? because this remarkable national security team managed the world from the reagan administration into the bush administration, and he was part of that because he was optimistic. he used to always joke, all my training was suddenly useless. but he learnedadapted. >> we're looking at former presidents obama and bush, formeform former first ladies. hillary clinton there. bill clinton was in the hospital so he's recovering, i'm sure he's fine. i suspect out of an abundance of caution he decided that maybe he shouldn't attend this funeral of general powell. >> that's right, wolf. w

not just anyone at the fbi, jim baker, the chief counsel, walked right in and handed him false information. the false information was used as part of the basis to spy on president trump's campaign. i would like to believe that the fbi had to know this was all garbage and all made up. maria: yeah, we have to see and we are waiting for further indictments from john durham. good to see you, congressman, thank you so much. congressman jim jordan, great leadership there. we will see you soon. quick break and we break down the border crisis with texas attorney general ken paxton. he's coming up at 8:20 a.m. eastern. ange. planning can't be that easy. actually, it can be, carl. look forward to planning with schwab. schwab! ♪♪ at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking means we see things differently, so you can focus on what matters most. whether it's ensuring food arrives as fresh as when it departs... being first on the scene when every second counts... or teaching biology without a lab. we are the leader in 5g and a partner who delivers exceptional customer support and 5g included i

jim baker was arrested on counts of fraud in connection with their ministries and sent to jail. for many americans, tammy fae bakker, loved by her followers, stayed in the public consciousness as a figure of ridicule. this film takes her seriously. ridicule. this film takes her seriously-— ridicule. this film takes her seriousl. . , ., seriously. that was my goal, and it came from — seriously. that was my goal, and it came from first _ seriously. that was my goal, and it came from first watching _ seriously. that was my goal, and it came from first watching the - came from first watching the documentary, the eyes of tammy fae. i watched about ten years ago and i was shocked with how little i actually knew about tammy and how full of compassion and love she was. i didn't know much about her beyond the drama and the media sensationalism, so it was really important for me to kind of right that wrong, not only for her family and her legacy, but also for the lgbtq audiences that she wrapped her arms around, in a time when the conservative evangelical community was turning their b