ironically, the so-called anti-racists sound like no one so much as john calhoun, roger tony and jefferson davis. i could start a game of who said it and i am confident you could not distinguish between quotes from confederates like jefferson davis and today's woke left. but why bother? one of these charlatans, amen named henry -- a man named henry rogers, who calls himself hebrew max candy entitled his book on american history stamped from the beginning, verbatim quotes from jefferson davis. after last week's elections, it has dawned on a few sane liberals that making common cause with geoff davis and john calhoun may not be a recipe for success. i have to confess i chuckled at how cnn has covered critical race theory. it reminds me of the old joke about lawyers making weak and contradictory arguments in the alternative could he does not -- in the alternative purity is not my dog. he didn't bite you. you kicked him first. with article race theory, the left says it does not exist. it is not taught in schools. you are racist for trying to take it out of schools. [applause] but we still see

one of those was john c calhoun from south carolina. rose formed a lifelong friendship with calhoun. and as she did with many politicians in washington d.c. but calhoun was among the closest. rose stood out for her beauty. she had thick dark long hair, chestnut eyes, of pale olive complexion, a good figure so she was a little curvaceous she was also flirtatious which attracted many men to her including married men. their wives were not too happy about that. we do not know really anything about rose's education. presumably she had acquired one before she came to d.c. i will mention she came from montgomery county, maryland for her family owned a small plantation. roosevelt's sister, susanna had married a man from a prestigious family in georgetown. so when rose and ellen come to d.c., susanna provides entrÉe into upper level deceit society. of course in the boardinghouse rose is immersed in a world of politics. within five years, rose's sister alan mary's james mattis huff who was the nephew of dolly madison. this is another avenue into

rose herself gave credit to her -- for her views to john c. calhoun. and this is what she wrote. she said i am a southern woman born with revolutionary blood in my veins, and my first crude ideas of safe and federal matters receive consistency and shape from the best and wisest man of the century, john c. calhoun. and even before the war rose was involved in entry to aid the expansion of slavery. in the summer of 1849 general narcisco came to robert and talked about his plan to invade cuba and give to the united states so it could be admitted as a slave state. she was so intrigued she arranged to have one-on-one breakfast with lopez, and then she recorded all this to john c. calhoun who was very enthusiastic about this endeavor. president taylor, though, quashed the expedition. he felt like it violated neutrality. but i think that shows you a little bit about rose and just how she was very much involved in what her husband was doing, very much involved in trying to expand slavery. rose by the time of the civil war was widow. her marriage ended rather tragically and rather suddenl

. >> biography of john calhoun, a very bright man. >> that's a bad combination.io [laughter] >> but it'ss true, very good thing for and a terrible cause, white supremacy. >> yeah. >> speaking of bad causes, this you wrote in 2018 about the holocaust museum in washington from place to go learn, it's hard to go there and learn about it. obviously you went, into eternity -- you tell the story. >> you have to refresh me. >> i can't read from it because i'll probably cry a little bit but it's a woman, she chose to go with him. >> the holocaust , someone discovered it our way. photographs and letters about a woman in czechoslovakia. >> correct. >> sent to not just a concentration camp but at best cap. i've written a lot about the holocaust because an italian survivor it happened once, it can have and event, and of reasn for writing about the holocaust. nothing is unthinkable. nothing. >> it's also striking that you don't write about it to be sad or scare people, you include this incredibly moving letter from human natures noblest manifestation, 43 million 90% who are non-jewish so the statistic

but john calhoun could tell you different he is about to get smashed it's another one of those things with the sledge of nashville to hammer him. so one thing that thomas complained to wilson was they treat me like a child they don't think i'm capable of doing a campaign. after the success and then to finish them off and then said dang it i told you we would like them. and that is when thomas repeated something he was very excited. and when you try to get regular promotions and then is happy to get it but also not happy because to say i earned this earlier i earned us at chickamauga. not here at nashville. i will take it. talk about doing the cemetery wayne and i both like cemeteries. and before it was power washed. he is not buried in virginia. he is buried in troy new york with his wife's family. so that gives you a sense of her influence. he died dies march 20th and doesn't that much longer after the war of heart attack or stroke or something because it comes on in a hurry and he is gone by the end of the day. it is pretty bad. i'm not a doctor. he was reading some stuff about nash

i don't know how much the residents who fought for and identified to be named after john c calhoun i don't know those who thought represented by that change of they also represented by the star tribune star journalist in theirhe neighborhood. they saw the authority the institutions had to be authoritative to them as well. i cannot tell you those things despite having lived and then a journalist in minnesota. i don't know. im ambivalent. it feels like the same flavor of ambivalence runs through your book that you say two things at once. that it is critical. and then to show up and reinforce and make healthy a democracy. on the other hand with the t patterns and inequities that are destructive. is that ambivalence? >> and with every academic it is complicated that's me with my way of dealing with the complication. i believe that conversation i'm thankful for open markets and you really cannot get to the heart of what is happening. and with that economic crisis arguably with that representation and you cannot talk about that stuff when it's about public service journalism and what happe

i don't know how much the residents who fought for and identified with being named afterg john c calhoun named bak to its indigenous name. of the institution had authoritative to them as well i can't tell you those things, despite having lived and been a journalist in minnesota. so i don't know, i am ambivalent. it feels like that really runs through your book, you were saying twoo things at once it s critical and does and can do a significant amount to reinforce and make healthy a democracy and on the other hand it also reinforces patterns and inequities destructive so is that ambivalence. a. >> they are thankful to the open marketst for not being baked in this nostalgia attack on american journalism you can't really get into the heart of what is happening in american journalismin around the economic crisis and arguably having a lack of representation. you can't talk about that with public service journalism and what happens when the watchdogs aren't there. they are not always perfect. there've been legacies of racism and segregation and not in actuality de facto. you can't just try to

. >> i just read about john c. calhoun a very bright man. a very bad man. he was this anyway minded tanker for a terrible cause of white supremacy. >> speaking ofca bad causes this column that you wrote in 2018 about the holocaust museum here in washington another place we can go to learn and it's hard to go there and learn about it obviously. the column is called into eternity and you tell the story. >> you'll have to refresh me. >> i can'tut read from it becaue i will probably try because it's about a woman who's taken to the camps. >> the holocaust museum she was in to it by someone who discovered it far away. there were photographs about a woman who -- was sent to a death camp not just the concentration camp at a death camp and i've written a lot about the holocaust and the holocaust museum. as an italian survivor said it happened once and it can happen again. nothing is unthinkable, nothing. >> was also striking about it is he don't write about it to be sadder to scare people. you include this incredibly moving letter. amusing present human natures vio

calhoun to being back to its original indigenous name. i don't know there's a to pelt represented by change if they felt represented by the "star tribune." they saw neighbors as journalists and saw the authority that the institution had as being authoritative to them as well. i can tell you those things despite having lived and been a journalist in minnesota. so it feels like that ambivalence that same flavor at of ambivalence really runs through your book and you say two things at once both that journalism is critical and does and can do a significant amount to shore up, reinforce and make a healthy democracy in on the other hand that it also reinforces patterns of inequities that are constructive to democracy so is that ambivalence? do you feel that? >> every academic is complicated i think the conversation are not taking in the nostalgia of journalism. you can't get to the heart of what's happening around the economic crisis and around the crisis of arguably having a of representation and you can't talk about that stuff when you are el

c calhoun to being back to its original indigenous name. i don't know where the residents who felt represented by that change if they also felt represented by the star tribune or saw journalists in their neighborhood . saw the authority to that the institution had as an as authoritative to them as well. i can't tell you those things despite having lived and been a journalist inminnesota . so i don't know. i'm ambivalent and it feels like that ambivalence, that same flavor ofambivalence runs through your book . you're saying two things at once, both that journalism is critical and does and can do a significant amount to shore up, reinforce and make healthy democracy and on the other hand it also reinforces patterns and inequities that are disruptive to democracy so is that ambivalence to you? you feel that western mark. >> there's an answer for every academic and it's complicated. that's my way of saying it stop it. i think that the conversation and i think also open markets for not taking a sort of like basic nostalgia path about american j

. >> guest: i i just wrote a biography of john c. calhoun. >> host: okay. >> guest: very bright man, very bad man. >> host: that's a bad, nation. >> guest: a commendation but it's true. he was a very sinewy mind, good thinker and a terrible -- but white supremacy. >> host: speaking of the bad causes, this column he wrote in 2018 about visiting the holocaust museum here in washington, another place you can go to learn, it's hard to go there to learn about it. obviously you with an the column is called into eternity velma. you tell the story. >> guest: you will have to refresh me. >> host: i can't read from it because i will probably cry over that but it's about a woman who was taken to the camp and her son was taking. she chose to go with the trachea the holocaust museum, some of who discovered it from far away, some photographs about a woman publishes from czechoslovakia and was sent to the death camp, not just a concentration camp but a death camp. i've written a lot about the holocaust including holocaust museum on the tip of manha

winners like stephen miller, who evidently took a break from reading john c. calhoun to plot a coup. these people are afraid to go to congress and tell the truth under oath. that's why they are asserting a executive privilege. it's as you lear. >> neal katyal and congressman eric swalwell, thank you for joining our discussion. >>> and a programming note. as we wait for the january 6th committee to at some point surely subpoena rudy giuliani, you can watch the extraordinary documentary about the infamous press conference rudy giuliani held last year in the parking lot of a family landscaping company in philadelphia. did that by mistake. that documentary is "the four seasons" total documentary. it airs tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. right here on msnbc. and coming up, why do texas republicans want to get isabelle wilkerson's masterful book out of texas school libraries? texas representatives jasmine crockett and julie johnson will tell us next. us next [ sneeze ] are you ok? oh, it's just a cold. if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. unlike o

it is something john calhoun came up with, a slaveholder from a slave state and a proponent of slavery from south carolina. by giving a filibuster to 40% of the senate independent of population, the small states, often time in the south, got 3/5 counted for the slaves, even though they did not get any rights and they could not vote. they gave slaveholding states more power to preserve their grip on having slavery be legal in this country. the existence of the slaves contributed to the process that continued the people institution of -- continued the evil institution of slavery. host: do you think california having two senators and tennessee having two senators is equal? guest: obviously not, and it should not be. the senate was a representative of the states. senators were appointed by state legislators. they picked two people from the state to be senators. we amended the constitution to provide for direct election of senators. we have had it for 100 years but it is still set up with two senators from each state. i think the biggest discrepancy -- it is like 80-1 the population, but to

first, homes remember it seems john c. calhoun the risk of notification position destroyed voted by the civil war, all right. you read the argument this as it's sort of like that, sort of, okay. holmes said the best. i do not think the united states would come to an end if we, the court to come lost our power to declare an act of congress void. i do think the union would be in peril if we could not make that declaration as to the laws of the states. all right? keep that in mind. now, holmes was on the court for ex parte young. that court said, to await proceedings against a company which is equivalent of the clinics and the women here, and a state court, and then obtain review in this court would place the company, i.e. women and clinics, in peril of larger risks and its agents in great risk of fine and imprisonment, which you just heard the equivalent. this risk, the company, ought not to be required to take. now, why doesn't holmes statement, in your opinion, illustrate what is the underlying problem here, generally spea

two statements, first, holmes, remember had seen john c. calhoun's theories of nullification, interposition, destroyed really by the civil war. all right? he -- you've heard -- you read the arguments that say this is sorts of like that. mr. stone: of course, justice. justice breyer: sort of. sort of. okay. holmes said this: "i do not think the united states would come to an end if we lost" -- we, the court here -- "lost our power to declare an act of congress void. i do think the union would be imperiled if we could not make that declaration as to the laws of the states." all right? keep that in mind. now holmes was on the court for ex parte young. that court said: "to await proceedings against the company" -- which is the equivalent of the clinics, "in a state court and then obtain review in this court would place the company" -- i.e., women and clinics -- "in peril of large risk and its agents in great risk of fine and imprisonment" which you've just heard, the equivalent of "this risk, the company, ought not to be required to take." now,

c calhoun drive. >> we were do you live? >> i live in or orangeburg. >> the symbols are part of the symbol of repression against my people. >> our first goal is to remove the racist statue and racist street names in orangeburg. and then of course, the confederate flag at the creamery. we've called the mayor's office, we've called the city council members. >> i'm excited to see what's going on in orangeburg. we are seeing people who want change. they're not asking for change, they're demanding it. as we continue, we're going to do a much better job collectively of being willing to fight the fight, when i ate the popular thing to do. and if we can keep doing that, keep pushing for change, and we can keep standing up to people who stand behind institutions of bigotry and hate and slavery, under the guise of heritage, we will get there. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and i look forward to the day when i jump in my car and come into orangeburg, that can further flag is no longer flying there. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i know my sister would have fought. we

john pelham was born september 7, 1838 and bentonville county which is now calhoun county in alabama. it's hard to find county records begin to changes in the time that his family is there. he's one of six boys and the six boys who are all in a row have a little sister. their father was a doctor in a plantation owner and the family properties were around the time of alexandria alabama. calamas educated locally made 200 by a local him minister aziz getting ready to pursue the next definite higher education. in he and his brothers were known as the wild boys in the neighborhood. they broke up schools when they didn't like the teacher, became to bowl and learned how to ride it and neighbors were so troubled by the pelham boys they predicted elisa one of them was going to hang. [laughter] well, john pelham was not destined for hanging and steady adventures in the military got an appointment to west point which was signed by secretary of war jefferson davis and the mixing 50's and he was recommended to west point i a powerful politician in the state of alabama. the west point years for joh

john pelham was born on september 7th, 18 they in bentonville, county, which is now calhoun county in alabama. it's a lot of fun when you have to do county records because it even changes in the time his family is there. he's one of six boys and then these six boys who are all in a row have a little sister. their father was atkinson pelham, a doctor and a plantation owner and the family properties were around the town of alexandria, alabama. pelham is educated locally and then he's tutored by a local minister as he's getting ready to pursue next steps in his higher education. he and his brothers were known as the wild boys in the neighborhood. they broke up schools when they didn't like the teacher. they came to bull and learned how to ride it, and the neighbors were so troubled by the pelham boys that they predicted at least one of them was going to hang. well, john pelham wasn't destined for hanging. and said he had an interest in the military. so hue got an appointment to west point, which is signed by secretary of war jefferson davis in the mid-1850s. he was also recommended to we

well, patty calhoun has more now on this from the pentagon. at a briefing here at the pentagon, the spokesman for the department of defense, john kirby was asked about these allegations from iran and he, in no uncertain terms, completely denied it. he didn't leave himself any wiggle room calling these claims ridiculous. i've seen iranian claims, they are absolutely totally false and untrue. there was no such effort by us naval assets to seize anything. what this refers to is back on the 24th of october, u. s. navy assets did monitor iranian forces, illegally boarding and seizing a merchant vessel and international waters in the gulf of oman. united states, 5th fleet, directed to ships scenario assets to closely monitor that situation at no time. were us forces attempting to retake or otherwise engage in the situations situation where you acted completely in accordance with the law. so it's a bogus claim. now kirby said that the u. s. was monitoring the situation. they said 2 ships which appear to be destroyers and aerial assets. the big questi