all right, katie benner, mr. bannon, in addition to loving attention, has been a central character in the trump show season one and season too. remind our audience what he might know, and how you might know it. >> yeah, so one of the thing that their committees really interested in, it's a statement he made on his radio station the day before the attack on the capitol, he said things are going to get really crazy, said they want to under-understand why felt that way 24 hours before the attack, he was also present at the willard hotel where there is a lot of activity around the stop the steal rally. earlier that day. so he's been very important sponsor before the violence happened. >> all right, so that puts him at the center of all of this, as chronicled as well in the cost the woodward book, peril. jonathan lemay here, let me turn the corner to the white house that you cover on a daily basis. are they getting the message on messaging and is all of it in danger of being washed aside by gas prices? >> certainly, b

attorney, and katie benner, the "the new york times" justice department reporter whose story on this this morning is required katie, who is looking into this, where is the corpus of information going to come from? as he mentioned and as you reported on, the justice department is prosecuting lots and lots and lots and lots of people. the folks being prosecuted for disorderly conduct and trespass are not going to get us all the way down the road of who started this, who fomented it, who funded it, who organized it, who perpetrated it. is there a bigger investigation going on at the justice department that mirrors or parallels the one that this congressional committee is undertaking? >> sure. so first i would say that your question is also being echoed by judges here in the district. we saw the chief judge beryl howell say that the justice department's approach to this investigation, she called it schizophrenic. she said, you're calling this one of the worst domestic terrorist attacks perpetrated on american soil, yet i'm seeing lower level charges that don't make these kinds of stateme

katie benner of the new york times. coming up, what did you do over the thanksgiving holiday? it some turkey, maybe some pie, probably more than you needed to. maybe watched a little football, maybe you snuck in a little velshi over the weekend? a guy can dream. but here is a serious question, how many times did you think about the president? probably zero. hopefully zero. unless, you are the presidents family. in a normal world, you shouldn't be thinking about him over thanksgiving. you definitely didn't have to look at your phone with dread. for the first time since maybe 2015, joe biden didn't bother you on your holiday. and this is a new, old feeling of normalcy. and honestly, it is very good for democracy. or is it? y. or is it don't be fooled by the bike. or judge him by his jacket. while ted's eyes are on the road, his heart stays home. he's got gloria, and 10 grand-babies, to prove it. but his back made weekend rides tough, so ted called on the card that's even tougher. and the medicare coverage trusted by more doctors. medicare from blue cross blue shield. by your sid

. >> i noticed in an article written by katie benner why will be speaking within a few moments, you gave her a quote in which you said it is great to have a justice department that is back in business. earlier you tweeted in fact that the indictment shows that donald trump and his allies are not above the law and the american justice system is back in business, you are very confident in this move. this is significant. >> well, what happened under attorney general bill barr was that we had an attorney general who was essentially acting like a white house counselor at best, a personal lawyer to the president of the united states up until the very end when bill barr decided to jump off that sinking ship and he turned against the president, but up until then he was following orders. so it's good to have a u.s. attorney that is able to enforce law against clear defiance of a congressional subpoena, and it is great to have a grand jury that hears all of the evidence and renders a judgment according to the rule of law. i like the statement that attorney general garland made when he said that he

>> joining me tonight to break down all of this news on this friday night, katie benner, justice department reporter for the new york times, kayla toussie, senior white house correspondent, and anchor for cnbc, and brian bennett, senior white house correspondent for time magazine, and rachel scott, congressional correspondent for abc news. i want to start with you and steve bannon. in some ways, it was important and interesting news he was indicted. he's facing two counts of contempt of congress. talk about what is next receive bannon, the legal process. >> steve bannon is expected to turn himself in on monday. after that, he will go to the district house in washington, d.c. for his first appearance. we will see what happens, hearing his side, the justice department able to argue why they believe he should be charged with two counts of contempt. people have been waiting to see whether or not the justice department was going to make some sort of statement about the committee's work, the work to get to the bottom of january 6. when steve bannon refused to comply, there were eyes on the justic

>> joining me tonight to break down all of this news on this friday night katie benner, justice department reporter for the new york times, kayla toussie, senior white house correspondent, and anchor for cnbc, and brian bennett, senior white house correspondent for time magazine, and rachel scott, congressional correspondent for abc news. i want to start with you and steve bannon. in some ways, it was important and interesting news he was indicted. he's facing two counts of contempt of congress. talk about what is next receive bannon, the legal procs. >> steve bannon is expected to turn himself in on monday. after that, he will go to the district house in washington, d.c. for his first appearance. we will see what happens, hearing his side, the justice department able to argue why they believe he should be charged with two counts of contempt. people have been waiting to see whether or not the justice department was going to make some sort of statement about the committee's work, the work to get to the bottom of january 6. when steve bannon refud to comply, there were eyes on the justice de

jonathan lemire, katie benner, and daniel goldman. good evening and welcome to you all. mr. goldman, i need to begin with you and your legal training. for us laypeople in the audience, what is the significance of the bannon charges? >> the rule of law matters, congressional subpoenas matter. and the department of justice is taking the view that flouting congressional subpoenas is a crime as criminal statutes dictate. and they're not going to be afraid of a partisan backlash. it's a marker in the sand, if you're going to break the law, no matter if you're a trump supporter or someone who received a pardon from donald trump despite a massive fraud, you're not going to get the benefit of that partisan political interest that donald trump sort of used for the last four years. so i think it's very meaningful, not only to send a message to the witnesses before the january 6th committee, but also to send a message around that the department of justice is back. the rule of law matters. and people who flout the law and got a free ride under donald trump are no longer going to get a f

katie benner of the "new york times." >>> what did you do over the weekend? maybe a little pie, maybe a little football. here's a serious question. how many times did you think about the president? probably zero. hopefully zero. unless you're the president's family, in a normal world you shouldn't be thinking about him over thanksgiving. you definitely didn't have to look at your phone with dread. for the first time since maybe 2015, joe biden didn't bother you on your holiday, and this is a new, old feeling of normalcy. and frankly it is very good for democracy. or is it? i could use some help showing the world how liberty mutual customizes their car insurance so they only pay for what they need. (gasps) ♪ did it work? only pay for what you need ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ spider-man no way home in theaters december 17th hey hun ♪ hey, get your own vaporsy. liberty. ♪ relax with vicks vapobath or with vicks vaposhower. take a soothing vicks vapo moment wherever you chose. ow bizarre by omc ♪ no annual fee on any discover card. firefig

let's bring in katie benner for the new york time, tell us what we can expect to see today in terms of steve bannon and what happens this amp and how much time does he have? >> sure, we can expect to see bannon self-surrender today. not much is going to happen today in court. his side and lawyer will tell the story in an argument. he feels he's covered by executive privilege and arguing a lot of legal scholars does not hold weight because he did not work in the government. now one thing that's tricky for meadows in that argument is much of what the committee wants to ask him about involving meetings that meadows was in that other officials have already discussed including officials from the justice department. it will be difficult for him to say if he has executive privilege over those conversations. >> katie, good morning, it's jonathan lemire here. we know this does not mean that bannon will ever testify even if it's sort of to go forward. you mentioned the stakes for mark meadows. where else could this lead? the two of them are the bull face names if you will. they talk to a lot of