thus, now the judge has banned msnbc from the building. part of the segue into the all important topic of sequestration, preserving the jurors' identity as well as preserving them from outside influence and any type of intimidation. josh with i'll get your top line thoughts on what we just heard now. >> i think i also heard the judge say they are not allowing msnbc into the courtroom until this investigation internally is over. look, i think that's a good idea. >> the rest of the case. >> agreed. >> might be a broad mandate of film of similar mind to me. no, it's a serious issue and we've seen a circus outside spill into the public consciousness. it's very difficult to get a jury that's not tainted by what's going on, with the progressive left and trying to demonstrate in front of the courtroom and basically make up things about kyle rittenhouse along the way. they have their hands tied in terms of how difficult this is to actually prosecute and get a just verdict here. >> harris, you know, the scene that josh is describing there, at times

what was the msnbc doing? when i first heard about this, i think to myself, he's trying to get there likenesses and give them joy to read and she will shame them and anyone in the future on a high profile jury try to get out of it or they will vote a certain way to not be shamed by someone. >> whatever is intentional, that's going to be the result of tracking them down and even if he didn't manage to get their picture, there is intimidation that goes with tracking them down and following them. gangsters have gone away to prison for the rest of their lives for doing this sort of thing, as they should. i would argue from the beginning the media especially left-wing crazy kook media like msnbc, they are the ones who whipped up the rights in the first place. they are the ones who whipped up the prosecution to make the crazy charges. now they are trying to get the product they want out of this through intimidation. it is appalling and thank god the judge stepped in and said something about. kennedy: if you are not

the judge banned msnbc from the trial because a self-identified msnbc employee was caught trying to follow the jury in a bus and take photos of them which raises two questions. what do you think of that? why isn't the jury sequestered? >> it is hard to express how moronic that decision would be if msnbc sent someone to follow this bus. they are aware that this is a city on the edge. a case is about prior violent rioting that led to this encounter. everyone is on edge. to follow that jury was just a perfectly insane decision. particularly if you are trying to take their pictures. it's not just that you will take their pictures. it means the jury feels that someone is following them. it may make them feel uncomfortable in voting for the defendant because other people may follow them. you could not have a more series -- serious situation for the court to deal with. the judge banned msnbc from the courtroom. this is just adding to a trial that has been a parade of horribles in terms of prosecution errors and controversy with evidence. now the media itself is becoming part of the story. >> john

he was going to be this news program after a bunch of hours of opinion on msnbc. now he's become another kind of snarky or anti-trump turned against half the country little jabs at kind of funny, kind of not objective, kind of newsy and that's what works these days. howie: it works at msnbc. i interviewed brian many times for my book. he's a talented guy. i went on a reporting book to new orleans with him. he was accused of exaggerating there after the hurricane that he saw dead bodies floating by. these fabrications badly wounded his credibility as a journalist. has enough time passed that it's lightened up? >> i think so. i have to say. you played the clip. this was not dan rather putting ethicaaly problem attic stories. howie: he it was a helicopter. >> it was a lie. it took a knock on his credibility. i have no doubt about that. the reason he was able to come back, it wasn't a journalistic death sentence. it was embarrassing for someone in his position. the guy who replaced him is lester holt who said fairness is overrated. that's where we are in the media. if

clearly this has been try in the court of msnbc. take a look at joy reid with her expert legal analysis. >> do we have to? >> greg's favorite. >> kyle rittenhouse trial. it reminded a lot of people of something -- the brett kavanaugh hearings, it was brett kavanaugh who had been accused by a high school friend of committing sexual abuse of her, pries his way through the hearings. in america, there's a thing about both white vigilanteism and white tears, particularly male white peers. white peers in general, because that's what they care now, right? they care now and then when they get caught, the waterworks. >> wow. how does she still have a job? >> she's gone full on racist. and i think the ceo or whoever owns this network doesn't watch msnbc. because reverse racism is racism. but she is, i think because she's getting shellacked in the ratings, she's turned it up a notch. she's a full left wing crank. if you had the right wing equivalent of that mocking, weeping blacks -- mocking the black tears, you would be out the door before yo

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the judge was correct banning msnbc from the courthouse. on top of this, i worry deeply about all the protesters chanting outside on the courthouse steps, can be heard in the courtroom, "no justice, no peace." the "no peace" part is meant to say if you don't convict, we are going to burn and pillage your city the same way we did 14 months ago. that, too, is jerry intimidation. >> sean: you know, i'm worried, let me stay on the topic of jerry intimidation. professor, i got to imagine that jury is hearing what is going on outside the courthouse. i've got to believe they are not sequestered, well, first of all we know they are keenly aware of what led up to this incident. they are keenly aware that the entire country is watching this case. the amount of pressure they are feeling, and then to be chased by the media and hear the chanting outside, it is daunting, but more importantly, it is intimidating, just like if the average person that doesn't do tv regularly comes on tv, usually the first time, they are going to be scared to death. i bet yo

i saw tiffany on msnbc. and i don't know her last name on msnbc, even after the trial, she talked about kyle rittenhouse being a young white supremacist murderer. that's a great case. against somebody like her, as far we are not talking about as i'm concerned. defending a free press. this press is supporting activitiesde and movements that are destructive in this country. what i call this american marxist movement. if you are going on tv and be a bigot and racist and homophobe ight after night, as far as am concerned, yes. and i will one other thing. tell you they try to destroy the character of anybody who doesn't agree with them.on you could be black, brown or red. or whatever it is. if you don't join in the marxist revolution or critical race theory or climate change and don't believe in the redistribution of wealth, they start characterizing a you. they use racism. there was a study done by a guy at the heritage foundation a year ago. it's in my book. he points out that the use of white supremacy and the

jason, i wanted to have you comment on a clip from -- msnbc. michael dyson, i leave it to you from last week. election of winsome sears as lieutenant governor in virginia. >> they want cred for breathing for having hair in the morning or getting up brushing their teeth. look, i made an achievement that should be noteworthy, no, you are i doing what all political figures must do, make choices, be problem they want white -- supremacy with a van tril quest, quest, a black mouth moving by white ideas. we know that we can internalize in our own minds and bodies the very principles that are undoing us. to have a black face, speaking in behalf of a white supremacist legacy is nothing new to chagrin to those of us who study race, the white folk on other side, and right ringers do not understand this is race 101, it is the pre-k of race, critical race theory, we know the word critical and theory means let's be on the side of those who need to be emangs earning mans -- emancipated. >> what do you see? >> mark. i want to start by saying i enjoyed our open

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i'm talking about msnbc being banned from the courtroom. as the jurors were leaving after a day of deliberations, police stopped a man who identified himself as an msnbc price. and as judge bruce schrader explained, he said his bosses in new york had given him an assignment. >> he gave that information and stated that he had been instructed by ms. ryland in new york to follow the jury bus. i have instructed that no one from msnbc will be permitted in this building until duration of this trial. this is a are serious matter. howard: nbc claims this was a freelancer who just happened to be near the bus and had no intention of photographing the jurors. if he was trying to do that, it would be monumentally dumb given the tense situation in the wisconsin town. was msnbc actually thinking of putting out pictures of the jurors and putting them in danger? i'm howard kurtz, and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ ♪ howard: the heated and purely partisan media debate has been growing even louder since kyle rittenhouse was found not guilty. >> now it's just ope

not just by msnbc but the entire media industrial complex. who stopped at nothing to distort this tragedy every step of the way. they have completely distorted this trial and now it's up to the jurors to follow the real facts and allow the justice system to work. >> here to respond wisconsin senator ron johnson. so, senator, you know, it's probably some stringer trying to land an exclusive of a juror for "the today show." i get that. but, they are putting people's lives in danger by speeding and running red -- but there is also something else. they are intimidating the jury and they are saying the media is there. we're watching you. we know where you live. we are following you. and however you decide, you can be a good guy or a bad guy by the way we cover you. do you agree with that? >> by and large. you know, i think what this trial has just highlighted is the vast divide in this nation. you know, president biden in his inauguration speech said his primary goal was to unify and heal this nation. he has not accomplished that goal. i wish he w

the judge was correct banning msnbc from the courthouse. on top of this, i worry deeply about all the protesters chanting outside on the courthouse steps, can be heard in the courtroom, "no justice, no peace."abab the "no peace" part is meant to say if you don't convict, we are going to burn and pillage your city the same way we did 14 months ago. that, too, is jury intimidation. >> sean: you know, i'm worried, let me stay on the topic of jury intimidation. professor, i got to imagine that jury is hearing what is going on outside the courthouse. i've got to believe they are not sequestered, well, first of all we know they are keenly aware of what led up to this incident. they are keenly aware that the entire country is watching this case. the amount of pressure they are feeling, and then to be chased by the media and hear the chanting outside, it is daunting, but more importantly, it is intimidating, just like if the average person that doesn't do tv regularly comes on tv, usually the first time, they are going to be scared to death. i bet

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that's what they called him at cnn and msnbc. a lot of people watching this trial are saying i don't know that the narrative is overlapping in any way with what the actual facts are. leo is 100% right. if donald trump said what joe biden said today it would be the number 1 story on cnn and msnbc. we are 2 weeks away from thanksgiving. every week and month joe biden becomes more of what experience at the thanksgiving table has experienced, an old incompetent person who can't complete their thoughts. the positive is there. you love them because they are in your family, but they are not trying to run the country! that's what joe biden is every day.mi he is the worst person at thanksgiving to run the country and all of our families tables. >> sean: i don't think i would trust him to stir the gravy on thanksgiving. >> amen. i would not trust him to cook. >> sean: that's true. 30 seconds, your take, you have been a lawyer all your career. civil rights lawyer, leo. i am watching this case. they say joe biden accused him of being a white

i saw tiffany on msnbc. even after the trail, she walked about kyle rittenhouse being a young white supremacist murderer. that's a great case. we are not talking about defending a free press. this press is supporting activities and movements that are destructive in this country. if you are going on tv and be a bigot and racist and homophobe night after night, as far as i am concerned, yes. one other thing. they try to destroy the character of anybody who doesn't agree with them. you could be black, brown or red. if you don't join in the marxist revolution or critical race theory or climate change and don't believe in the redistribution of wealth, they start characterizing you. they use racism. there was a study done by a guy at the heritage foundation a year ago. it's in my book. the use of white supremacy and the use of racism and so forth by the media, by the "new york times" it was up 1200%. >> sean: mark -- >> when they talk about white racists. they are talking about all white people and including peopl

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no one does it more than the race lady at msnbc. her reaction moments ago. >> watching the criminal justice system at work, it was designed to do exactly what it did today. gun laws help to enhance the design to allow this verdict to happen today. this country was built on the idea of -- of white men had a particular kind of freedom and a particular kind of citizenship that only they have. it gives, you know, from the slave catchers on, the right to inflict violence in the name of protecting property. >> tucker carlson: man, you really think, again, over time, there are massive consequences for people saying stuff like that on television, racializing everything. the country has enough racial division, why are they pushing for more? green green wald is an independent journalist. you can find his work on sub stack. we hope you will. thanks for coming on. yours is the only twitter feed i read. maybe i misunderstand this. i thought you read today media organizations in brazil where you live were sincerely under the impression that peopl

an msnbc law enforcement analysts. subject, those responses are important, you talked about it in your last conversation with us in msnbc. about what this entire community, and how they are being torn, but torn together. both the public officials, the first responders, the police department, the fire department, numbering 100 the entire town. numbering in 72,000. >> that is correct. and you know in a town like waukesha, many communities across this country, more than small people are corrected to each other's directly and indirectly and some kind of. way and even though it occurred in that town, it took police early, they are all suffering through the night. the whole nation is feeling. this and our hearts and prayers to go out to them. but, in tough times like this you fine communities, such as the community of waukesha. they are going to make it through. this but it is going to feel very very tough tonight, and tomorrow. and i think it is important for all of us across the country to get them all the support that the

i'm chris jansing live at msnbc news headquarters in new york. it is thursday, november 25th. happy thanksgiving. we begin this morning with relief in georgia and around the country after three men travis mcmichael, his father gregory and their neighbor william bryan were all found guilty of the murder of ahmaud arbery. they were convicted on 23 of the 27 counts against them including all nine against travis. the man who pulled the trigger. all three will spend at least the next 30 years in prison, and that's before they face federal hate crimes charges next year. the verdict sparking tears and hugs and a lot of emotion inside the courtroom where the families of arbery and the mcmichaels were sitting. outside, people who had been waiting months to see if the justice system would deliver finally breathing a sigh of relief. ahmaud's mother wanda cooper-jones this morning with her reaction to the verdict. >> when i heard the judge read the charges, and immediately after every charge he said the first guilty, i said to myself, we finally got justice for ahmaud. we finally got this

on msnbc. and you can watch me on "the sunday show," 10:00 a.m. on msnbc. we have much more coming up. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. >>> good evening once again. day 297 of the biden administration. and tonight, as we bring a long week to a close, there is a glimmer of possible consequences for one of the most arrogant members of trump's inner circle. steve bannon indicted for contempt of congress. and the other news is about the former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows. he may be headed for the same fate. the grand jury's decision on bannon came this afternoon, 22 days after the house voted to send his case over to the justice department and hold him in contempt. he's been charged with refusing to testify, and refusing to produce documents. house investigators cited bannon's comments the

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liz: msnbc and cnn are racist flame throwing right now misrepresenting the facts. critics are saying it's bizarre, everybody violated curfew so the way the media portrays it is erroneous and misleads critics, gop senators chuck grassley and ron johnson found out the court filing involving chinese business partners, the d.o.j. and fbi were during wants to do surveillance. how are we now finding this a national security threat in the u.s.? >> i think what disturbed the senators, they wrote a letter in march and asked her all intelligence related information on the subject in the got a letter from a deputy assistant ag said we don't even know anything about this, not in the position to comment the fact is d.o.j. data filing 2019, public filing a public court that said against patrick promote the individual involved was a lobbyist for cfc and the d.o.j. data filing that said we are going to introduce evidence in court so the public fact at least with the department should have said we are not allowed to say anything under the law except what us direct you to the filing

steve: this was reported that night by msnbc. >> those came across after he shot and killed joseph and was about to kill anthony he acknowledges he was armed with a pistol that says his hands were raised when he was shot by rittenhouse. steve: except he didn't say that. at the top of the show that night msnbc told the audience the exact opposite of the truth played again back to back. >> it wasn't until you pointed your gun at him that he fired? >> correct. >> he acknowledged he was with a pistol that his hands were raised when he was shot by rittenhouse. >> i don't think i've seen a more blatant lie there is no way that is a mistake that was msnbc deliberately lying to the audience about its own narrative any own ideological agenda when you i.c.e. so blatantly about a high-profile incident that is not a little like that a big lie not so common it makes it impossible to have a shared conversation this country about the same set of facts that made up world and the world of lies invented by msnbc and where russian collusion down something the clinton campaign did and that the kid rather

life from msnbc headquarters in new york. we have a team of reporters in brunswick, georgia and kenosha, wisconsin. we're looking at all these life cameras because this is the start really of the holiday travel we can. >> it may not look at from some of the shots. okay, so upper left is inside laguardia. just a trickle of people right there. we're going clockwise here. washington d.c. and then new york, and then l.a.x.. but we know that today is going to be long lines, people kind of expecting delays. some of them weather related as. well >> it's going to be an issue for many people who are traveling all throughout the country. we're going to begin this morning with that dramatic start to the thanksgiving travel week. and atlanta's hartsfield-jackson international airport. one of the worlds -- in fact, the world's busiest airport. a gun accidentally discharged in a security screening area, leading to more than 50 flight delays. >> our police are on the hunt for the suspected owner of that gun. that person escaped in the airpo

"new york times" columnist and msnbc political analyst michelle goldberg, hayes brown, and sife fat, the chief executive officer at the new georgia project. it's great to see you all. hayes, finally infrastructure week, like, for real. democrats, though, you know only halfway done with their build back better agenda. how do they use this legislative victory and their momentum to pass the social spending aspect of biden's agenda? >> like the president said, this is one big item. the problem they have been facing in congress has been how to get all the rest of the many other big items that they want in this one package. we've seen over the last few months the total pact's been sliced and diced and shrunk until it's at its current $1.75 trillion of spending. this infrastructure bill, this part finally passing, it does two things. one, it gives them a win that they absolutely needed and shows that yes, we can pass bills in this congress, ins all going to this congress, ins all going to be infighting, which was a major hang-up, especially for those in the beltway. the other thing it does

first msnbc for following jury bus. running a red light to keep up attempted harassment and intimidation as for ms. reid as a journalist who can't repeatedly call people racist, white supremacist and most importantly guilty until proven innocent. >> we have important to see how this goes, jesse. >> jesse: so do you think todd, joy and some of these pundits have e posh legally to any sort of libel action. >> yeah, i do. when you accuse somebody of being a whited supremacist you are basically and in the situation of kyle rittenhouse you are showing him with an ar-15 and that implies that weighs engaged in racist misconduct and that's generally considered actionable. a lot of the other things calling him a school shooter, a murderer a member of a militia, those are all false statements once proven false they are actionable. he does have some pretty solid claims here. >> jesse: so if they were proven false, which they have been and done with malice that opens them up to oh my gosh you know what, todd, you probably started c

eastern, only on msnbc. >>> don't go anywhere. up next, i'll talk to congressman hakeem jeffries about the busy week ahead in congress. and another hour of "velshi" starts right now. >>> good morning. it is 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. 6:00 a.m. out west. i'll say hi to my california family. i'm in for ali velshi. tomorrow marks a major win for president biden and the country. he'll be signing into law the largest federal investigation into its investment infrastructure in more than a decade according to the white house. the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package contains billions of funds that will go toward improving things like roads, bridges, public transportation and expanding broadband internet access. the republicans in the house and the senate voted with democrats to push this bill over the finish line, gop lawmakers appear to be divided over whether or not to attend the signing ceremony. the wall street journal reports, quote, many gop lawmakers say they're skipping the event as republican members of congress who e

they are the racists and msnbc and cnn continued to perpetrate this race lie. they tell you it's about race. it's not about race. it's about class. it's about the working class son of a single mother who is powerless. this is effectively the modern day "to kill a mockingbird." mark richards is finch. this is the entire establishment against this weak and powerless young man. the jury thank god got it right. the entire reputation and the entire unity of this country rested on the shoulders of 12 american citizens in kenosha. who, we know, we don't know who they are, but my hat is off to them. we all owe them a great debt of gratitude. they resisted with great courage the pressure that was on them. they were not even sequestered. they would have been aware of the intimidation, the harassment and the vile laws lies from the media. the msnbc person who was following the jury bus. that was an intimidation tactic. they knew that and still came down and looked at the facts. anybody who watched that trial and read the transcript knew and anyone who had honesty in their

he's banning msnbc from the courtroom. we are waiting to hear from msnbc. we're waiting to see if they will issue a statement, so we're waiting to find out more, but certainly this judge not taking any risks, any chances. you know, one of the things that he's been really tough on is protecting the jurors and making sure they are comfortable. obviously this would be a pretty stupid move for anyone to do to try to take photos or follow the jurors in any way. >> shimon prokupecz, grateful for the hustle and live reporting. let's discuss this with our legal analysts. caroline, it would be stupid and amateur and unprofessional for a member of the media to try to photograph jurors. one would assume the jury is doing its deliberations are clown car episodes like this kept separate from the jury? >> oh, absolutely, and, you know, judges enjoy a wide degree of discretion with respect to how to run their courtrooms, and judge schroeder certainly is no exception. he has taken a hard stance here. i think it's a pretty dramatic development that he's ruled just a blanket