the nra has continued to do it. if there's not something done s g se the about it, i think these campaigns will continue to use these same techniques. the other available remedy is to give the money back essentially. you can't take back those ads but you can require the campaigns and the political committees to provide this money to the treasury. so potentially what we're looking at is an outcome of an order by the court for the nra to pay $35 million to the u.s. treasury to compensate for all e of that wrongful spending. david pucino, i appreciate you helping us understand this tonight, thanks. keep us apprised. >> thanks so much for having me. >> much more ahead here tonight, stay with us. stay with us >>> it was september of 2016. the fbi's top counterintelligence official had been running an investigation into potential links between the trump campaign and russia for just a few weeks, but some truly explosive material reached his desk in september 2016. they were raw intelligence reports compiled by a former bri

the nra has continued to do it. if there's not something done about it i think these campaigns will continue to use these same techniques. the other available remedy is to give the money back essentially. you can't take back those ads but you can require the campaigns and the political committees to provide this money to the treasury. so potentially what we're looking at is an outcome of an order pie the court for the nra to pay $35 million to the u.s. treasury to compensate for all of that wrong spending. >> david pucino, i appreciate you helping us understand this tonight, thanks. keep us apprised. >> thanks so much for having me. >> much more ahead here tonight, stay with us. he ad her e tonight, stay with us reen saver (man 2 yeah, but we need to go higher. (man 1) higher. (man 2) definitely higher. (man 1) we're like yodeling high. [yodeling] yo-de-le-he... (man 2) hey, no. uh-uh, don't do that. (man 1) we should go even higher! (man 2) yeah, let's do it. (both) woah! (man 2) i'm good. (man 1) me, too. (man 2)

okay, but this is another huge scandal for the nra. which is already on the ropes right, the new york attorney general is trying to dissolve them as an organization over the top leaders allegedly rating the organization toppers for their own personal gain. the nra tried to declare bankruptcy in response and a judge told them that they couldn't. because it was a bad face effort to declare bankruptcy just to avoid accountability in that lawsuit. they are also trying to claim bankruptcy while bragging to their supporters that they have just as much money as ever, and they have just as much info as ever. an nra affiliate is the plaintiff in its major gun rights case, argued for the supreme court yesterday, a case in which, if the court sides with the nra, way more americans are going to be able to carry concealed firearms in public. i know that there is a lot going on right now, but this lawsuit hitting the nra right now, it feels like a consequential freaking deal. joining us now is david casino, he's senior staff attorney at the gifted l

that was not with the nra. it completed the trajectory of its transformation from what began as a shooting club for union soldier veterans into this hard right extremist organization pushing not just a narrow argument focused on responsible gun ownership and gun rights, but a broader vision of stoking the right wing fetishization of guns and violence and the use of those guns this violent confrontation. the nra ran wild ads with this scary footage of unrest. left wing protesters were collaborating with the media to destroy the american way of life. >> the only way we stop this, the only way we save our country and our freedom is to fight this violence of lies with the clench ed fist of truth. >> freedom. that's a message that was being pushed to a 17-year-old kyle rittenhouse, a child. he took this illegally acquired assault weapon, which he admits not for hunting or home defense, and he throws himself as the fray in kenosha and he kills two people. the boy who killed people, the boy who killed people, is then

those moderate democrats who would support gun rights and the nra, after sandy hook, the nra kind of re-bundled itself as a quote on quote freedom organization. one that really doubled down on the culture war. it is not just about guns anymore, for the nra. it's about being the organization standing between the government and. you and between, you know, people want to take away your freedoms, and you. that marks a huge shift for the nra, and ultimately, it leads them to a place of strategic peril, and today, the nra is an enormous amount of financial and legal trouble. i think a lot of it stems from that decision after sandy hook. >> tim mak, the book is called misfire. really recommended. thank you for taking some time with us. >> thank you. >> in the ten months since the attack, there have been over 670 arrests related to january six. so far, the people responsible for investigating the attack i've managed to escape justice, but from last night ruling, could a change that? what happens now that a judge denied trump's attempt to block the widest committee from obtaining records, aft

i want to play this sound from then nra president. this came after the nra decided to go through with their conference in denver. have a listen to what he had to say. >> when an isolated terrible event occurs our phones ring demanding that the nra explain the inexplicable. why us? because their story needs a villain. the dirty secret of this day in age is that political gain and media ratings all too often bloom on fresh graves. >> okay. so that was -- he said that publicly it looks like that that was at the convention. he just doubled down. you can take from that tone there that the nra in that moment decided we're not -- we're not only not going to take responsibility, we're going to be proactive in pushing back against it. >> what is so amazing about these tapes is you see in realtime really the nra strike that -- strategizing behind the scenes what will be their strategy for dealing with school shootings in the decades to come. columbine and shootings at the high school were the start of the modern era of more common school shooti

the nra made a strategic choice to double down. he took part in negotiations during the mansion tour and the background check only to withdraw the last minute and mobilize and our supporters against the legislation. in the aftermath, marched into the conservative culture war, shifted further to the right embracing republicans entirely and abandoning even the pretense of outreach to democrats. this would work for a time during the obama years but my crash was coming. the nra's decline started with its greatest success. the election of president donald trump. joining us now is tim mak, washington investigative correspondent for npr and author of the new book, misfire: inside the downfall of the nra. and tim, i hope you heard rachel maddow say at the beginning of this hour she is eager to read your book. she is reporting on this lawsuit that i just referred to with during her hour tonight, let's talk about the first of the state of the nra. where is it in its downfall? >> the nra is facing its most serious crisis it's ever faced. it's

. >> he has his new nra book. >> entitled "misfire, inside the downfall of the nra." he's going to guide us through this lawsuit. and everything that has led the nra to the place where it is tonight. >> "a," tim mack is a fantastic guest. "b," i've not red that book yet but can't wait because it's a fantastic interview. they are alleging a scheme one who brought the lawsuit that's already dumped $35 million in illegal contributions into various republican campaigns. the nra's responsibility to pay those things back itself would be a significant chunk of change. but that's alleging a bunch of crime around the trump campaign and senate and house campaigns among republican candidates. that's a serious lawsuit. >> yeah, we're going to get into that later in the hour. >> great. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. >>> well, one grand jury is not enough for investigating donald trump and his businesses, and so the manhattan district attorney, cy vance, has impanelled a second grand jury. nbc news has confirmed that the second manhattan grand jury is expected to examine h

the nra also have more ideological views. for the first time you can enter the room and hear what some of the executives and officials of the organization really think about those members behind closed doors. . >> yeah. it's fascinating really. clearly they thought no one would ever hear this. can you tell us how the nra is responding and how npr authenticated the tapes. >> we checked with multiple sources about the identities of the tapes, as well as listening to publicly available audio to check against the sounds. and so that's -- and of course we reached out to all the players on the tape, as well as the nra, for a response. >> they didn't deny that it was them? >> we did not provide them with the original audio. with he provided them with transcripts of the audio. >> i want to listen to -- there's more. let's listen to this. this is the internal deliberations about whether to cancel the nra convention in the wake of columbine. >> i've got to say, we've got to think this thing through. because if we tuck tail and run, we'

what is the nra response been to your book? >> well, you know, we reached out for comment and i've asked, of course, to interview wayne lapierre and susan lapierre and also provided a long list of questions related to my reporting. but i haven't heard back. what's interesting is that i have, however, interviewed more than 120 folks for this book, al of them, most of them, vast majority of them, inside the nra orbit, as well as i reviewed thousands of pages worth of secret depositions and internal nra emails in order to paint a picture of what happened behind the scenes. so, the reason why it's a page turner is because we get into some of the color, the personalities, the feel, the human feelings of greed and betrayal that our president, this dramatic story of how the nra declined over the last two years. >> yeah. again, the book is "misfire, inside the down fall of the nra" tim mak, thank you for bringing it to us. good luck with the book. >>> the houston chronicle depicts a city anguish. we'll return to houston next. net manho

it begins the slide of the nra towards its downfall. . >> yes or no, can the nra bounce back? . >> it's a really interesting question. right now the new york attorney general is trying to dissolve the nra completely. so we've got this ongoing court case that really will determine the entire future of the nra and whether it can survive in the coming year. . >> look, you answer so many questions that

. >>> the story of the secret tapes that the nra said it would be bad for the brand. and we will hear from some of the nearly 1 million children who have been ability to get vaccinated against covid. "velshi" starts right now. good morning. it is start, november 13th. i'm in for ali velshi. we may soon find out if there is a limit to steve bannon's loyalty. the grand jury has indicted bannon on two counts of contempt of congress. that comes 23 days after the criminal referral was sent to the justice department because bannon refused to comply with investigators. bannon is expected to turn himself over to law enforcement on monday and scheduled to appear in court that afternoon. he faces up to one year in prison and $100,000 fine if convicted. this is notable because no one ever claimed executive privilege which is the excuse he gave for not cooperating has ever been indicted by the grand jury for contempt of congress. only time will tell if the bannon executive privilege defense will hold. here is why it is so interested in talking to him. investigators pointed to a c

it begins the slide of the nra towards its downfall. . >> yes or no, can the nra bounce back? . >> it's a really interesting question. right now the new york attorney general is trying to dissolve the nra completely. so we've got this ongoing court case that really will determine the entire future of the nra and whether it can survive in the coming year. . >> look, you answer so many questions that people have about this black box. tim mak, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and "new day" continues right now. >>> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. we can do it a duet. there's no reason we can't say it together. i'm john berman. >> with brianna keilar. >> so a win is a win. that is what democrats are saying this morning, and they mean it. they also need it. a huge sigh of relief for them as cnn projects that new jersey governor phil murphy has won re-election. he is the first democratic governor in that state to get a second term in four decades. now, he survived a very tight race in a very blue state. >> and the slim margin of victory in tpnew

then -- >> i obtained thousands of pages of secret depositions, internal nra emails, private documents that let me paint of picture of what really happened behind the scenes. >> inside the down fall of the nra, reporter tim mack tells me w the national rifle association misfired. also ahead. >>> emancipated enslaved people in the confederacy, he was acting against what he himself had said constitutional rule. >> harvard law professor noah

is it just the nra? how did we get to a place where well-regulated part of the amendment can be ignored when it comes to a white teenager who encourages racist violence? >> well, thank you for having me, reverend. you are exactly right and it's important for viewers to remember, chief-justice warren berger was a rock-ribbed conservative. he was appointed by richard nixon and what he was reflecting there was what people thought the second amendment meant throughout almost the entire history of the country. the supreme court did not say that the second amendment protects an individual right to gun ownership until 2008. it was really quite recent. and it was the product of myth making, as you say, we have had gun regulations even in the wild west from the beginning of the country. and it was the product of a very sophisticated push by the nra and other gun-rights advocates to change how people saw that provision. to make it a license for people to have guns. and now, you've basically seen a whole generation

joe bigs an nra member mentioned on nra website used to market their message biggs posted on line at one point encouraging his followers to get a gun, by ammo, be ready because the left isn't playing anymore, nor should we. how do you fight this with one party being named by the insurrectionists as on their side? >> well, you know, you mention the report that we did. we studied thousands of protests between 2020 and 2021. we found that -- this is no shock, armed demonstrations are six times as likely to turn violent compared to unarmed demonstrations. so when you look at potential solutions, it really is about advocating to bring down the temperature, right? there shouldn't be guns in buildings of democracy. there shouldn't be guns at protests. we should enforce the law against people who try to intimidate and silence other people with guns. then on top of that we have easy access to firearms in our country. individuals can just go on line, go into a chat room and be armed in a matter of minutes. technology creates these new opportunities for radicalization that we have to combat. at

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(nombre en inglés) el joven que mató dos personas en una protesta de black lives matter (las vidas nras importan). hoy hubo detenidos frente a la corte rubén está ahí con el reporte >> así es julio vaqueiro mientras dentro de esta corte en (nombre en inglés) se lleva el segundo día de deliberaciones sobre el caso de (nombre en inglés) ha estado a flor de piel el debate de personas que apoyan al joven y otros que piensan que es culpable de homicidio hemos visto muchos enfrentamientos veamos las imágenes cuando la policía arrestó a personas después de violencia en horas de la mañana vimos que un hombre se atrevió a venir al lugar con un arma de grueso calibre y fue desalojado por la policía es el debate sobrel derecho a la autodefensa hasta dónde está el límite de porte de armas veamos uno de los enfrentamientos que han pasado en horas del día >> (información en pantalla) >> (información en pantalla) >> (información en pantalla) >> (información en pantalla) >> (información en pantalla) >> (información en pantalla) >> (información en pantalla) >> y julio vaqueiro s

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so you're driving around fort bragg, you see, nra stickers, you know, come and take, gadsden flag. you see all of this. when they started to say the extremists were in the military and that those extremists had an interest in the spirit of 1776, you started seeing really poorly scratched out bumper stickers over all of fort bragg. we're slowly purging out of the military, any dissenting voice that may actually stand in the way of using military improperly in the future. the last 20 years, we have been a country at war. iraq, syria, afghanistan. now that those wars are winding down, there's this idea that the military needs to find a new mission. their job is not to root out domestic extremism in the homeland. be ready for that day when you were given an unlawful order per the constitution. where you take your rank off and you say no. the hell with that. that's my prayer. is really for my own brothers and sisters in arms. wake up. the united states is in the state of war, undeclared total war, against the basic principles and the foundations of this system. there is an old interview

winkler: well, i think that justice alito buys into that nra argument that the only thing that's going to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. and there are a lot of guns in america. a lot of bad guys do have guns. we can question whether it's true, that a good guy with a gun will actually do much to prevent the danger that's caused by a bad guy with a gun. but justice alito clearly believes in a very strong and robust second amendment, and believes that people should have the right to defend themselves with firearms almost anywhere they go. soledad: with the conservative supreme court, it seems pretty obvious to me, the way that they're both signaling that they're going to go, and thus lead the way they're going to go. what do you think? prof. winkler: it does seem like, as everyone predicted, that these new trump justices were going to make a big impact on the supreme court. it's going to be this case on -- the case is prepared to make some serious changes in american constitutional law, and this gun case is really the beginning. soledad: professor adam winkler, very n

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lawyers representing the new york branch of the nra made a similar argument before the supreme court justices chief justice john roberts questioned whether new york's law is too restrictive from the woods. it's pretty unlikely that you're going to run into someone is going to rob you in the street. but justice steven briar questioned whether states will then be able to restrict concealed weapons anywhere like in schools or places where alcohol is served. what are we supposed to say in your opinion. >> that is going to be clear enough. that we will not produce a kind of. >> and as you know, california is one of those other states that has a similar concealed carry law. now we expect a decision from the supreme court before the end of the term next summer reporting live in washington. alexandra limon. >> thank you for that report. alexandra. coming up next on the kron 4 morning news a retired doctor from the bay area news battling stage 4 cancer finds herself in a pitch black battle with the big nasty there. how she survived that attack left on that. we'll get back. i was injured in a

former nra chief speculated it was syndicated column about his chances as a gop presidential underdog. the underdog served up a slathering answer. if the government keeps on taking my business away, johnson offer is the best time. and we will go on to fdr, a canny note of hugo johnson's speculation, the new deal political climate had become less favorable of the elections. on november 9, the country awakened an 81 new deal house seats, six new senators and 11 new governors, three who led to the new progressivism that gained connecticut its first gop governorship since 1930. suddenly, fdr made an expected decision to remove the everlasting c&s controversy in the 1940s presidential landscape. then what happens were several secret telephone exchanges between them resulting in the final file. on august 15, 1939, staged with -- in the offices of first national back and to wall street, when david handled wendell wilkie a check for $78.6 million, to 1..4 billion current dollars. wendell's time magazine article all but announced his prospective presidency candidacy if, he said, roosevelt dare

when general hugh johnson fdr's former nra chief speculated in his column the willkie as a gop presidential underdog the underdog served up a thigh slapping answer. if the government keeps on taking my business away his offer is the best i have. and we will go on to fdr took note of hugo johnson speculation. the new deal political climate have become less favorable after the 1938 off year elections. on november 9 the country had a new deal six new senators and 11 new governors. whom reflected the new progressivism that gave connecticut's first gop governorships since 1930. suddenly if they are made in unexpected decision to remove the everlasting cns controversy of the 1940 presidential landscape. we now know that what happened where several secret telephone exchanges between willkie and if they are resulting in the final buyout of commonwealth and southern. on august 5 team, 1939 before newsreel cameras at the first national bank and to wall street when david william told handed wendell willkie a check for $78.6 million roughly equivalent to 1.4 billion current dollars. when does -- when d

. >> dana: in some places like the nra, they said it was the worst thing, but now there's all these new gun owners that are a law-abiding gun owners and they went to the background check and got the gun. >> geraldo: the biggest goal is to keep people safe and if people are taking it into their own hands. i think bail reform is defunded the police. that's one of the most failed public slogans and it's horrible. i've said it many times, and the city of brotherly love, new york with hundreds, my little town of cleveland almost approaching 200. it's a civil war and we have to recognize it. where you loot a luxury store or walmart, with 40 strong or 50 strong, wise and someone taking the license plate numbers of all the people that are participating. there must be a way when 40 cars show up to identify them, this one has a bump in the left fender. it takes more detective work when they are covering their license plate but you can identify, you can track them down and you can treat them with statues as organized criminal enterprises and show that the government has some balls. >> greg: thieve

. >> i cannot have a discussion with some of my colleagues had red states on litigation against the nra. i do not inc. they would accept my position on reproductive rights or might lawsuit, the investigation we are engaging and against a previous president, whereas daga they accept that. in nag we talk about big tech, juul. on some issues that i know my colleagues in red states would not accept i tried to find common ground. >> i was going to ask you about that. on your press release, i see very often lawsuits are brought by 17 attorneys general or 14 attorneys general and those of the democrats on more ideological issues, and i was wondering whether or not there are many lawsuits brought by all or most of the attorneys general. on the tech issue i sought -- i do not know if it was facebook. >> it started in the previous administration and it was much more partisan. we find ourselves coming together on some issues, but, for instance, today i co-authored a letter with respect to the situation in texas involving haitian refugees signed on by 16 attorney generals in blue states. it depends

the redundancy of if the gun is handed, the they have to look at it and i say this every time, and nra instructor was there for someone who was part of it because they are obsessive about this stuff. i have been yelled at and i have yelled at people because he i'll be out of range and someone is walking around with his rifle and you have to yell at people and instructors will smack you at times. >> jesse: he called his crew a well-oiled machine, how about that one? >> katie: there's questions here about criminal liability and a lot of blame about who handed who the gun and whether it was low loaded but an organization that trains a lot of actors, trained for john wick and halle berry and kiana reeves say they're actors understand all the safety protocols themselves even when they are not on the set to make sure things are going well and they also say that there have been millions of rounds fired over the past 20 years and just because a single product refusal to recognize establish safety protocols doesn't mean the entire system should be changed because alec baldwin allegedly didn't h

. >> i can't have a discussion with some of my colleagues in red states on litigation against the nra. i don't think they would accept my position on reproductive rights or my lawsuit, the investigation we are engaging in against a previous president. whereas at daga they accept that. and that nag we talk about juul, bipartisan, we talk about big tech, bipartisan. but i know that some colleagues in red states would not accept that, how to find common ground. >> in your press release, i was going to ask you about that. often, lawsuits are brought by 17 attorneys general or 14 attorneys general, maybe most of the democrats on some of the more ideological issues. and i was wondering whether or not there are many lawsuits brought by all or most of the attorneys general. i think on the tech issue i saw -- i don't know if it was facebook. >> yeah. it started in the previous administration, it was much more partisan. now we find ourselves coming together on some issues. for instance, today, i coauthored a letter with respect to the situation in texas involving haitian refugees. that was sign

but i can't have a discussion with some of my colleagues in red states on my litigation against the nra. i don't think they would accept my position on reproductive rights or my lawsuit on the investigation we're engaging in again of a previous president. whereas in daga they accept that. so in nag we talk about big tech which is bipartisan. juule is bipartisan. so i try to find bipartisan issues i can work with alli my colleagues. and some issues we know my colleagues in red states would not accept. i try to find common ground. >> i was going to ask you about that. because on your press release list, and see very often lawsuits are brought by 17 attorneys general or 14 attorneys general, and those are usually the democrats on some of the more, you know, ideological issues. and i was wondering whether or not there are many lawsuits brought by all or most of the attorneys general. i think on the tech issue i saw that i don't know whether it was facebook or other tech companies. >> obviously during the previous administration it was much more partisan. now we find ourselves coming togethe

what happened was he was really smarting and these rejections overturning of the nra in retrospect but he was resolved he kind of lost it the main or several come proposals one was a constitutional amendment which was difficult. one of the statutory change the jurisdiction of the court. there are various ways of tinkering. the last one was to add provision that whenever justice reached 70, he or she would have to step down or roosevelt could appoint someone to take his place. that was his plan and he somehow got convinced that this was doable. as john said, he had this wonderful super majority, he coasted in with the 27,000 votes, a huge majority in 1936. he had every reason to think that the country was just waiting, labor was on a side etc and that this would be welcome and of course it was not. >> a little context here. 1936 presidential election was a large electoral landslide in american history. i always think i fdr had an extraordinarily political instinct had gotten him to worry what. a fact that he was elected and reelected in a wheelchair is incredible. this is one of the dar

fauci recently said in a conference, "right now, officially, fully vaccinated equals two shots of the nra and one shot of the j&j, but without a doubt that could change since the village troll." will the goalposts move once again? here to react to that and much more, dr. nicole saphier and former senior advisor to president trump. dr. nicole, really, when we think about this variant, i believe, correct me if i'm wrong, but there's thousands of variance already. we heard about the new environment. using the greek letter system. that is the last. we were supposed to be very afraid of. delta, in the meantime, as now the variant. 1% of our cases here in the united states. are you concerned about this new one are we at a point where it's just seeming like they dr. fauci that cried wolf and the w.h.o. that cried wolf? >> to make him of the latest variant is recently named earlier today -- it's thought to have originated from south africa, as you mentioned. as it has expanded to the surrounding nations also seen cases in the u.k. -- not the u.k., europe, israel, and even hong kong. they believe

we've got some great partnership with us, the rnc, the nra's see, the rca, groups like winning for women, even though they do like to take our candidates, our candidate to run for higher office, thank you for doing what you do. we believe you are what you need to be. we area committed to this. we know this is a big effort. we've got to grow in the same direction so that's why we here tonight.e with that i will introduce our moderator, former governor of puerto rico, luis fortuno. [applause] >> it's truly an honor to be in the company of such great leaders and want to thank them all for being here. for over a decade rslc has been active in recruiting and assisting getting primo candidates as well as minority candidates. .. candidates that may be thinking about running or may need a push to run or may actually want to talk to someone who has done it before. our leaders, all of them started at the state level. and they are now at the federal level and known by everyone. i don't know how they can walk around airports given how well they are known by everyone. [indiscernible] >> they think i'

he was smarting under these rejections although the court overturning of the nra probably helped him because it was so unpopular. but anyway, he was resolved. this is unlike him with his perfect temperament and great sense of timing and wonderful way of reading the country. he lost it and he decided to put all his chips on this plan to change the court. their work for actual proposals given to him by overcoming's, is attorney general. one was a constitutional amendment which would be very difficult . one was sent to change infection of the court and there were various ways of tinkering and the last one was to add a provision that whenever justice reached 70 he or she, hewould have to step down roosevelt what somebody to take his place. that was his plan and he somehow got convinced thiswas dual . and then as john said, he had this wonderful super majority. yet posted in with the 20,000 votes, i majority in 1936 so he had every reason to think the country was just waiting and liberals were on his side that this would be and of course it was not . >> a little context. the 1936 presiden

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you had the nra aligned lawyer arguing against the law saying that laws that states where the relax still carry on low crime rate and possible to new york. that's flatly untrue the new york has two, three, five times gun violence than these states that these folks want to. >> david this is one of the situations that the court as the group there ignorance up the real world always comes through in these kinds of arguments about gun laws. >> yes, absolutely. i think one of the important things for the americans to know, is that really since 2008, is that the court actually struck down a gun law. so if we're actually talking about the history of this theory, it's much more into the work court of holding a well regulated militia and common gun law, that the vast majority of american support. i cannot overstate enough the importance of everyday americans -- because the court republic opinion seems to drag this often will help stick take what the justices decides in this case. and, if we make our voices heard because the court gains it's the to the missy from the public icing is as legitimate, w

but what happened is he got -- he was really -- these rejections, the overturning of the nra actually probably helped him in retrospect because it was so unpopular. but he was resolved and this is unlike him with his perfect temperament and sense of timing. his wonderful way of reading the country. he lost it and he decided to put all his chips on this plan to change the court. and there were several -- there were four actually proposals given to him by homer cummings, his attorney general. one was a constitutional amendment, which would be very difficult. one was statutory too, change the jurisdiction of the court. and there were various ways of tinkering and the last one was to add a provision that whenever a justice reached 70, he or she would have to step down or roosevelt could appoint somebody to take his place. that was his plan and he somehow got convinced that this was doable. and as john said, i mean, he has this wonderful supermajority. he coasted in with the 27,000 votes, a huge majority in 1936. so, he had every reason to think that the country was waiting. liberals were

gun owners in america have pulled the nra to the right. how did this become so -- >> i think in this environment today, you are unlikely to see at least any state where republicans hold any levers of power, a winding back of any of these laws. when you ask voters do they feel more concerned about crimes, about their own personal safety, the answer is yes. after big shootings, after big crises, you see sales of guns go up. so this -- you know, two years ago, we had talks of bipartisan criminal justice reform and these sorts of things, and we're a long ways away from where we were two years ago. >> i'm going to assume in about a month we're going to all hear about gun sales and what happened after this verdict. i have a feeling we all know which way the arrow is going to move. >>> when we come back, covid cases back on the rise. has the government done enough to combat disinformation about mandates and vaccines. that's among the questions i have for transportation secretary pete buttigieg. he joins me next. ugh facing expensive vitamin c cre

look, alex, people are afraid and the nra preys on people's fears. the problem that we have, however, is that gun and guns in the home are much likely to kill family members, individuals who are visiting, and out in public squares, which is what is at stake right now, with this written case -- rittenhouse case, and also with the case before the supreme court right now, we have to understand that lax gun laws when combined with vigilanteism, mean that none of us are safe in public squares. our first amendment lights, our right to assembly are put at risk by what we're seeing right now. so i would encourage all americans, we need to lift up our voice around these issues. the only way that we are going to change these things is by focusing on these issues in elections and making sure that we understand that our fundamental right, our fundamental right to live, to exist in public squares, is what's at stake with these cases. >> let me ask you quickly, because you brought it up. the supreme court that will be making the first major ruling in the battle ov

. >> to pick up on this point, 20 years ago, people at the nra would have criticized rittenhouse and their parents for how they handle guns. you don't see that responsible gun owner rhetoric anymore. >> the broader picture, is what happened in kenosha. what happened is the collapse of the rule of law. when you have that situation, then you have vigilantes. when i look at these two trials, i see the restoration of the rule of law. it's going to be very important that that continues, especially going into the next presidential cycle. >> a nice way of putting it. i hope you're right. >> now i'm giving the good news. bad news last segment. >> exactly. thank you all for doing this today. thank you all for watching. we'll be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >>> we're heading into a busy day of news. former trump adviser steve bannon is expected to appear today after being indicted on two counts by congress. will we see him in court? >>> plus, president biden will sign the bipartisan infrastructure bill into law. >>> kyle rittenhouse, was he forced to act in a

. >> to pick up on this point, 20 years ago, people at the nra would have criticized rittenhouse and their parents for how they handle gunless. you don't see that responsible gun owner rhetoric anymore. >> the broader picture, is what happened in kenosha. what happened is the collapse of the rule of law. what happens in that situation you have vigilanteism. when i look at these two trials, i see the restoration of the rule of law. it's going to be very important that that continues, especially going into the next presidential cycle. >> a nice way of putting it. i hope you're right. >> now i'm giving the good news. bad news last segment. >> exactly. thank you all for doing this today. thank you all for watching. we'll be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >>> breaking overnight a tenth person has died in connection with houston's astroworld music festival. the 9-year-old boy, the youngest so far succumbed to his injuries >>> in just hours from now, the jury in the kyle rittenhouse dole-homicide trial will hear closing arguments. we have got a preview. >>> i