hi had been in the woods with the rabinowitz family. and i interviewed him and spent a couple days there, and we had very long conversations, hours at a time. and wrapping up our last conversation i was talking to him and his memory is absolutely astounding. he remembers dates, numbers, times of day, the distance between the places they were. it was tremendously helpful to me to speak with him. and i said, you know, this is amazing, your memory is just incredible. and he said, you know, it is not so good. he said, you know, the memories disturb him. and he told me afterwards that in anticipation of my visit he hadn't slept for a long time. that it was, he knew he would have to talk about it. he knew it would be upsetting. he didn't say any of this to me until the end. but that it is, you know, after all this time, it doesn't get any easier to share it. and it wasn't easy for me to tell during our conversations that it was difficult. but of course it was. and why wouldn't it be? >> well and that is why the book is so important. it is so

hi had been in the woods with the rabinowitz family. and i interviewed him and spent a couple day there is and we had very long conversation, hours at a time. and wrapping up our last conversation i was talking to him and his memory is absolutely astounding. he remembers, dates, number, times of day, the distance between the places they were. it was tremendously helpful to me to speak with him. and i said, you know, this is amazing, your memory is just incredible. and he said, you know, it is not so good. he said, you know, the memories disturb him. and he told me afterwards that in anticipation of my visit he hadn't slept for a long time. that it was, he knew he would have to talk about it. he knew it would be upsetting. he didn't say any of this to me until the end. but that it is, you know, after all this time, it doesn't get any easier to share it. and it wasn't easy for me to tell during our conversations that it was difficult. but of course it was. and why wouldn't it be? >> well and that is why the book is so important. it is so

>> don, i have to give a huge shout-out to our newly minted associate producer, hannah rabinowitz. she's been staking out the courthouse and will continue to do so as we watch this process unfold. we expect bannon will self-surrender on monday and appear in court monday afternoon. then like anyone, this criminal process will play out. he'll have the opportunity to engage in plea deal negotiations though that is not expected, and he has the resources to fight this through a criminal trial. if he is convicted, he can also appeal. so this could be a long, drawn-out process. but in the immediate future, the biggest consequence is for the committee. without any consequence for steve bannon's blanket defiance of this committee, this investigation, don, would have been crippled. i've spoken to witnesses who have been subpoenaed in this case, and they've been watching to see what was going to happen with bannon. would there be any consequence? now that they've seen criminal charges, those come with a cost, not only a cost potentially to your reputation but also legal bills. now those witne

our producea hannah rabinowitz has been coming to the courthouse for weeks since they referred the criminal contempt charge to the justice department and has noticed the grand jury has been meeting periodically. and today we saw an fbi agent around the area of the grand jury courtroom. saw the fbi agent go into the courtroom where presumably the grand jur y heard from that fbi agent. shortly less than an hour we saw the assistant u.s. attorney molly gaston and other prosecutors walk out of the grand jury room and two courtrooms down to the magistrate judge's courtroom. that's when they presented this grand jury indictment. the foreperson was also in the courtroom and then it was presented to the magistrate judge here. what happens next? we know the arrest warrant has, in fact, or will be soon signed by the magistrate judge. that indicates that perhaps steve bannon will be soon arrested on this indictment. we have not yet learned the specifics of the indictment. we know it was referred from the house of representatives for criminal contempt. we presume this may be what the indictment is for,