and that seems to be part of the motive for jonah goldberg not just leaving fox but speaking out. this is what he writes about how they sort of contort themselves. during the trump years, many people found safe harbor in changing the subject. it only makes sense, if you can't defend something indefensible, bring up something the other side did that's not defenseble either and talk about that. the whole point of these what aboutist games is consistency, if your only goal is letting trump off the hook, you're adopting the same double standard you're committing, the has been the over riding ethos of fox opinion hosts for years. one of those opinion hosts just left fox news, but i see the tape, watching their coverage, saying how can anyone defend a monster who grabs about bragging women between their legs but they didn't break with him. they never broke with him. good people on both sides of a kkk rally didn't break with him jim mathison's letter about america's strength in the world, military and democracy, they doic and still don't. what do you make, again, of where this is leading

. >> jonah goldberg slammed republicans who are antiabortion but refused to get the vaccine. he tweeted in part this. it's amazing how many who claim to be pro-life are so cavalier about other human freakin' beingings who die from this virus. it's shameful. joining us is josh. we heard the president push back, remarkably stay on message. he never stays on message, but he did with the vaccine to candice owens, and he's telling people you should get vaccinated. at least he seems to be. what do you think? the people he's talking to, why the change of tone? >> and bill o'reilly. donald trump coming in off the bench, coming in hot. he said all along one of the most effective things that could happen is for donald trump is to encourage people to get the vaccine. of course, it goes without saying that people dying and being hospitalized are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. the unvaccinated are overwhelmingly likely to support donald trump, tend to be from rural areas, republican. that all lines up. they want to hear from trump. they haven't been hearing from him. he also reportedly got

. >> so, you know, bob, there's to a counterpoint from what rachel just said there, jonah goldberg had a column in the "l.a. times" suggesting that trump's power is actually waning and he cited a number of things including some of the senate candidates he's supported stumbling out of the gate. you mentioned something he didn't mention which is mcconnell. trump has made no credit he wants mcconnell to be dethroned as the republican leader and that is going nowhere. is there -- i mean, could we -- could we finally be getting to the point where trump's power is actually waning? >> we're seeing mcconnell make certain decisions. for example, in georgia's senate race, he has endorsed herschel walker, the trump favorite in that race, but as our reporting shows, he also privately despises president trump even though publicly he has -- >> maybe even publicly if you go back to what he said after the the insurrection. >> he had a tough speech after the insurrection, but he did not vote to convict president trump in the senate trial, but he has privately -- mcconnell, called trump a fading brand,

. >> so, you know, bob, there's to a counterpoint from what rachel just said there, jonah goldberg had a column in the "l.a. times" suggesting that trump's power is actually waning and he cited a number of things including some of the senate candidates he's supported stumbling out of the gate. you mentioned something he didn't mention which is mcconnell. trump has made no credit he wants mcconnell to be dethroned ashe republican leader and ats going nowhere. is there -- i me could we finally be getting to the inwhere trump's power is actu waning? >> we're seeing mcco for example,n race, he has endorsed herschel walker, the trump favorite in that race, but as our reporting shows, he also privately despises president trump even though publicly he has -- >> maybe even publicly if you go back to what he said after the the insurrection. >> he had a tough speech after the insurrection, but he did not vote to convict president trump in the senate trial, but he has privately -- mcconnell, called trump a fading brand, and off the track thoroughbred to use a kentucky term, and he would like to s

jonah goldberg has been live tweeting liz cheney's stewartship. he tweeted to me, the relevance of the text shows all of those people have been shamefully schilling for trump, broadly speaking, their position is that the riot was evil and terrible if conducted by antifa and the false flag operation to make trump support ers look bad, but no big deal if it was perpetrated by trump support ers. how many people appreciate what folks like goldberg are doing but don't have the power and the structure to say so? >> i mean, i think there's a diminishing minority at fox who are appalled by what they're seeing on air. if you work at fox and try to get a job somewhere else, it's a black mark on your resume. it's interesting what steve was saying about how they see their audience. what you hear when you talk to people there is that well, we know some of this is crazy, but we have to respect our audience and the way they view them is telling them whatever they want to hear. to some degree, the reality is it's donald trump's audience. not fox news' audience an