and also ukraine. why? because which is that neutral you create before 2014 majority of ukrainians believed in our french friendship partnership with russia. supporters of the go with the side store and next crania, that's what happened basically if people do compared to what saddam hussein so that the same set weight is ours to which it is saying we're saying, you know, korea is our so i have a next by the way, despite the fact that he's in a muslim natives to korea, but their views were totally ignored by, by russia. so yes, as a result of russia's actions last, ukraine, that's through what we are free or now is not only lunch military offense. we also free over so called limited military offense because pollution may try to cease one or 2 strategically important. see, this is the new create, like the in february, 2015 when, despite the cease fire, despite all the promises which russia di to invest and partners, russia can i, you know, if i could do a regular and see if i could just jump in here for a mom

obviously with ukraine. i think the statement as i said earlier by chairman of the eu commission this morning about the eu's strength of conviction with regard to the potential need to deploy more and far harsher sanctions this morning speaks to the unity that we are building as did the very strong statements we had from nato when secretary was there last week and, again, the president is continuing that diplomacy today as we all are at every level. >> ambassador, president putin and foreign minister lavrov have repeatedly indicated that they seek to deny any potential path to nato membership for ukraine and other eastern european country. does the administration view this demand as a valid issue for negotiation? president biden made it crystal clear to president putin today that the issue who joins nato is an issue for nato to decide, an issue for applicant countries to decide that no other outside power will or may have a veto or a vote in those decisions. >> thank you, ambassador. i have no further questi

these of the ukraine go ahead. it's hard to tell because it is on the one hand supporting ukraine, giving it up, mac it back in giving it to lexi backing on the other hand makes it very clear that it's not actually willing to defend it militarily. so we had a mr. lincoln of the other day saying that if a rationalist attack, he'd crane of united states would put heavy sanctions on russia, medical sanctions and not a military response. because of course, ukraine is not a member of nato. so, on the one hand, the c nato kind of egging ukraine on a bit and, and lending it support and on the other hand, backing off as well, which is probably not desperately good combination. alexander, i can help, i get the feeling that nato, and particularly the leader of the, of the alliance. the united states wants some kind of military conflict because at the end of the day, this is entry, ukraine conflict that needs to be resolved. and there's actually a roadmap for that. it's called the minsk accords here, which of course western d

but the main topic was ukraine. president biden was direct and straightforward with president putin as he always is. he reiterated america's support for ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. he told president putin directly if russia further invades ukraine, the united states and our european allies would respond with strong economic measures. we would provide additional defensive material to the ukrainians above and beyond that which we are already providing. and we would fortify our nato allies on the eastern flank with additional capabilities in response to such an escalation. he also told president putin there's another option, deescalation and dedi diplomacy. the united states and our allies, including our strategic concerns with russia and russia's strategic concerns. we managed to do this at the height of the cold war, and we developed mechanisms to help reduce instability, and increase transparency. we have done this in the post cold war era through the nato russia council, osce and other mechanis

on one level they are messaging to possibly ukraine or that ukraine needs to recognize -- they want ukraine to recognize that russia is the primary military actor in the region. they are threatening possible invasion to also signal the west will not come to ukraine's aid and ukraine will have to come to russia's understanding. they are also possibly signaling to europe and west that they want to be included in new negotiations and understanding of european architecture. and to better include the russian security interest in these discussions and understanding. possibly in the same way many negotiations happen between the west and soviet union during the cold war. again, i think it is important to understand from the russian perspective i think what they are doing is forcefully reasserting their claim to the west's understanding of russian dominance in the sphere of influence. that is not justifying their approach but it is important to understand the framework they are using and craft the strategies to respond back to the russian claims. michael: thank you, andrew. kat, is there an agreemen

he thought ukraine was going to be a failed state. ukraine is not a failed state. ukraine is going to continue to become a more difficult problem for him. this is the time to act. he also perceives a lot of opportunities with regards to the hyperpolarization in the u.s., the rhetoric from the right wing media, why should we care, we should just give ukraine to russia the way putin is asking for it. he sees the opportunity to leverage pressure, energy, this energy crisis in europe against europe. he sees divisions between europe and the u.s. this is the time to act. >> quick final question. guys like putin, they seem either to be in office, in jail, or dead. is it all about him asserting his strength and therefore trying to hold on to the office? >> i think this is part of his legacy. i think he's definitely firmed up his control. there are no real contestants for power there in the short term. he does eventually have to identify a successor. right now, the question is what is his legacy? is he the gathering of lands, is he the one rebuilding the russian empire? is

but ukraine? no. it's a god given right to territorial integrity and american soldiers will die to defend that territorial integrity. that's our official position as a country. now according to cnn, we must stop these russian attacks on the sacred borders of ukraine because if we don't stop then, what we could have here is what cnn is calling a dire security situation. now that phrase apparently comes from joe biden's undersecretary of state, toria newland who gave a gloomy briefing to u.s. senators last night. she's strongly in favor of war with russia. what is amazing is that anyone anywhere is still listening to her. no serious person could take victoria newland seriously. she's a joke. not only is she unimpressive as a person and she's not pro american, by the way, she's one of the architects of the disaster in iraq. so why is she still talking about foreign policy? is the guy who designed chernobyl still building nuclear reactors? probably not. only in washington where failure is rewarded could s

what is it about ukraine? and i think that would be a powerful way to compete in this information space. i mean, i think ukrainians saw how much better life became in poland as they became a member of the european union and member of nato. so this is important but of course for our information signaling to be effective, we in the united states have to live up to our own talking points as well, that we have to demonstrate we have these strong democratic institutions, the pillars of democracy, and people are watching that. this is also important. georgia, what are our obligations? for us to set the example and live up to our own talking points, to show continuous support, to follow through on whatever the president is saying to president putin, but also to have a strategy for the region. host: let's talk to chuck who is calling from jefferson, georgia. good morning, chuck. caller: how are y'all doing this morning? guest: good morning, sir. caller: you said something about thinking you said something abot thinkin

-- two ukraine -- i think back to my trip to ukraine. one of the students were killed there. it was a very sad time to be there. there was a lot of talk about people being sent to the front line. i hope the world can come together and make it clear to russia that this is not in their best interest long-term to continue in their aggression toward their neighbors. we don't want to have to be in any sort of war to lead to that sort of escalation. at the same time, it is clear that the region is going to continue to destabilize. we will push closer to some sort of unfortunate conflict that does involve war or casualties at the very least. this is just not in their best interest. the world will have to come together to convince them of that in my opinion. >> thank you. i look forward to working with many of you. we will craft a second countermeasure. >> dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of infectious diseases talks about the current state of the pandemic. watch the discussion tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, online

that's for ukraine to decide. and the allies to decide when ukraine is ready and meet the nato standards. so, again, russia tries to control neighbors. and that's the main problem in this conflict, that russia doesn't respect the integrity of sovereign independent nation. >> so you're saying to be clear that ukraine either association or membership with nato is still a possibility? >> so we have decided and stated in nato that ukraine will become a member of nato, but ukraine will become a member of nato when allies agree that ukraine meet nato standards. that's for the allies to decide, not for russia to decide. and i myself, i'm coming from a small country, norway, bordering nato. i'm very glad that our nato allies never gave russia that power over norway to -- we decided to join nato many years ago. >> understood. jens stoltenberg, thank you for joining us. we appreciate you joining the show. >> thank you so much for having me. >>> still ahead, former president trump now refuting reports he hid a covid diagnosi

and nato forces into ukraine. it's support that putin sees as a provocation and may not accept any more. the question tonight, will he use force to end it? >> ukrainian people will fight fiercely. their military is much better than it was in 2014. but even beyond that, there's a core of combat veterans, and they will come back in, take up arms, and they will fight the russians on every street. >> reporter: however this crisis unfolds, the ukrainian soldiers on the ground stand prepared. are you worried that russian forces, they have tens and tens of thousands of soldiers and tanks now on the russian border. >> we are ready. >> you're ready? >> we are ready. >> ready to fight? >> ready to fight, yeah. >> ready to die? >> yeah. >> ready? >> yeah. >> why? >> it's our ground, our country. >> your ground, your country, yeah. >> reporter: ian pannell for "nightline" in ukraine. >> our thanks to ian. >>> up next, inside the interactive experience, the art meant to immerse the viewer. does your plug-in fade too fast? try

visa be ukraine? go ahead. it's hard to tell because nato's is on the one hand supporting ukraine, giving it up mac it back in giving it to linux baton on the other hand makes it very clear that it's not actually willing to defend it militarily. so we had mr. linton of the other day saying that if a rationalist attack keep crane, the united states would put heavy sanctions on russia. medical sanctions are not a military response. because of course ukraine is not a member of nato. so, on the one hand, the c nato kind of egging ukraine on a little bit and, and lending it support and on the other hand, backing off as well, which is probably no desperately good combination. alexander, i can help get the pulling that nato and particularly the leader of the, of the alliance. the united states wants some kind of military conflict because at the end of the day, this is a entry ukraine conflict that needs to be resolved. and there's actually a roadmap for that. it's called the minsk accords here, which of course western

and that's ukraine. must be in his mind if not part of the russian state, then part of russians sphere of influence. and the, and this is, this is and manufactured crisis that has been entirely engineered by vladimir putin . what do you say to that? well, put in may believe that, but we have him throughout the last 2 decades of his rule. russia has not been able to change the cal kilo's, the political calculus, the j political balance in the ukraine in its favor. so in 2000 and just just a brief go back to the history of 2004. the 1st. 1 ukranian might done when russia was interested in one outcome and western states were interested in an other outcome of the election of the presidential elections of that time. and russia was unable to sustain. it's to get it scheduled that elected you shaneka, who was a pro, what more pro western candidates 110 years later. so 10 russia at 10 years to do something about that situation. and yet in 2014, when a new crisis emerged with western powers being on one side of t

this is ukraine, nato. we stay on our turf and work with our allies rather than speak for our allies. mr. putin has made a huge investment. that brings a need for recouping from that investment. he is going to want to get the demands he has made. i believe he will continue to use this moment he has manufactured and the power on the ground until he gets those. i do believe he is taking a look at the cost. finally, i would say again, we have to be careful not to reward bad behavior. we need to avoid playing this game with ukrainian chips or nato tips. we need to stay in our lane and not sell out our allies and bring along our allies and others and involve them in the things we do. we have to focus on concurrent progress and get a seat at the table in my humble opinion and finally we need to remember the rest of the world is watching for the results of this bad behavior. >> thank you so much, general. andrew, great to have your perspective from kyiv. if putin invades, what would he likely take and what is his

and then russia last ukraine in 2014 your response that yes and also ukraine. why? because which is that neutral you create before 2014 majority of ukrainians believed in our french friendship partnership with russia. supporters of the go with the side store and next crania, that's what happened. basically if people do, you can pay up to what saddam hussein, so the same set weight is ours to which it is saying we're saying, you know, korea is our so i have a next, by the way, despite the fact that he's in a muslim natives to korea, but their views were totally ignored by, by russia. so yes, as a result of russia's actions last, ukraine. that's through what we are free or now is not only lunch military offense. we also free over so called limited military offense because push and may try to cease one or 2 strategically important. see, this is then you create like you did in february 2015 when, despite the cease fire, despite all the promises which russia di to invest and partners, russia can i, you know, i could do a regular and see if i could just jump in here for a

these of the ukraine go ahead. it's hard to tell because nato's is on the one hand supporting ukraine, giving it up, market back in giving it to lexie backing on the other hand, making it very clear that it's not actually willing to defend it militarily. so we had mr. bloomington of the other day saying that if a rationalist attack, ukraine of united states will put heavy sanctions on russia because sanctions are not a military response. because of course, ukraine is not a member of later. so, on the one hand, the c nato, kind of egging ukraine on a burden and lending it support and on the other hand, backing off as well, which is probably no desperately good combination. alexander, i can help, i get the feeling that nato, and particularly the leader of the, of the alliance. the united states wants some kind of military conflict because at the end of the day, this is a inter ukraine conflict that needs to be resolved. and there's actually a roadmap for that. it's called the minsk accords here at which of course wes

it is more than ukraine, but ukraine, of course, is the focus point. that is a sure thing. >> the russian defense minister says u.s. private military companies are plotting provocation using unknown chemical components. how do you see that statement, the background of the conflict. >> this is just cynical propaganda to give a pretext for an invasion. this is by far the most dangerous situation militarily we have seen in europe over the past three decades. i agree with the founder of the silverado accelerator that all sides .2 putin actually preparing to launch an invasion with a tactical endgame of establishing a public state in eastern ukraine and creating language to crimea, but a more strategic endgame, and a russian colleague alluded to that, to establish some sort of putin doctrine that no country of the former soviet union ever has the idea of trying to join nato without fearing invasion, and that seems to be the name of the game from the kremlin side. >> one of the arguments advanced by president putin is basically it is about time to stop those

i'm back in the ukraine. some state it can apply to joy, any organization it want shirt and i don't think in a rush to tell it you can't apply. but at the same time, nato members are also sovereign states and, and they don't have to accept new members. or when you know the country like canada isn't as a native members, considering whether it should allow someone else into the car, but it should be thinking about its own inch as it does. it serve us to have these people join our club. what do we get out of it? do we become stronger from it? or do we end up essentially adding a liability to us? personally, i can't see what benefit nato would acquire from having ukraine. i, as a member, it's a very poor society. um, it's a military, it is quite leak or is extremely vulnerable. and it risks dragging us into war, russia and why should no essentially put it quite bluntly. you know, what, why should canadians die for ukraine? i mean, what, like why, what's in it for us? and so, yes i ukraine is, is um entitled to ap

charles stratford reports from taura, skin east in ukraine. a coal mine close to the front line in eastern ukraine. mines such as this one, have helped fuel industry in the don bus region and across what was the soviet union for over a century. but ukraine remains dependent on russia to meet its energy needs, especially coal, which is vital for fueling ukrainian pow stations. in 2014 pro russia, separatists seized control of the majority of the mines. further depleting, ukraine's access to call decades of neglect means much of the mines infrastructure is close to collapse. about all the new enough is your thought. the equipment we have is from 958, lack of investment and government negligence is one of the reasons why we face a shortage. things could be difficult this winter. another problem is that russia caught ukraine's coal supply. last month. russia has recently stopped exporting coal to ukraine, saying that there's just too much domestic internal demand for the natural resource . some analysts are describing this is nothing short of blac

and ukraine is russia's soft underbelly, under no circumstances can the russian government allow ukraine to be nato. often nato forces to be even more widely deployed in the country because of that would pose a most perilous french. so the security or russia to the security of the russian people. and also the americans could extend their missile defense system in eastern europe into ukraine. and that would mean that the russian strategic nuclear arsenal would be in dire trouble. so unless the americans relents and put into right though, as i said the wrong, i don't think i played from them in writing would mean anything. but if they do put into rights and ukraine would not be admitted into the ranks of the west and military block. and if they do pull their forces back from eastern europe and the states, then of course tension will somewhat decrease. but the problem is that in a year from now, in 2 years from now, we could be a decision. again, that is why decisive action has to be taken by russia. because you, i will come when you dos and so the ranks of nature. and by then it just be to

it is more than ukraine, but ukraine, of course, is the focus point. that is a sure thing. >> the russian defense minister says u.s. private military companies are plotting provocation using unknown chemical components. how do you see that statement, the background of the conflict. >> this is just cynical propaganda to give a pretext for an invasion. this is by far the most dangerous situation militarily we have seen in europe over the past three decades. i agree with the founder of the silverado accelerator that all sides .2 putin actually preparing to launch an invasion with a tactical endgame of establishing a public state in eastern ukraine and creating language to crimea, but a more strategic endgame, and a russian colleague alluded to that, to establish some sort of putin doctrine that no country of the former soviet union ever has the idea of trying to join nato without fearing invasion, and that seems to be the name of the game from the kremlin side. >> one of the arguments advanced by president putin is basically it is about time to stop those

i'm peter labelle, focus on ukraine. joe biden says, i don't accept any one's red line, rushes foreign minister saturday. margaret says the nightmare scenario of military confrontation is returning on this edition of the program. we examined the significance of both statements. ah, discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess, george m u l e. in budapest, he is a podcast or the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and in oslo we have gland deason. he is a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as author of the book, great power politics in the 4th industrial revolution or a gentleman cross huck rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it. again, it's got to glen 1st the in our slow i, i don't think we can, you underestimate the significance of the 2 sentences that i cited in the introduction. i don't accept anyone's red line and the nightmare scenario of military computation is returning. i don't think anything we've heard anything like tha

when he invades ukraine. that's how we'll know he's decided. >> evan, you wrote a great biography on joe biden. how momentous was this conversation today for joe biden? this is somebody who has been a little bit more hawkish than his former boss president obama, not in terms of direct military confrontation, but in terms of more direct aid to the ukrainians, et cetera, twhen comes to putin. >> part of this is that he has a fundamental lack of trust in vladimir putin's intentions. his word. there's this famous moment which we sometimes recall when joe biden visited vladimir putin at the kremlin and said i looked into his eyes and he didn't -- you don't have a soul is what he said. you don't say that to that many foreign leaders. a decade later here they are facing this moment of incredible negative potential. this could put a cloud over the biden administration. they are trying to prevent this from becoming a catastrophe but it's not a case in which he's working with somebody who we trust who he can say let's

i would say it's bigger than just ukraine. right. ukraine? maybe it has been the focus point of the rush or western stand up with now it's kind of more and rush is talking about not just about your brain, but about the entirety of the russian border. you cri, you border between rush and they go and russia wants to have a secure situation where there are no threatening western mo, trees, or weapons or anything and appearing there. and those that are there should be withdrawn. and russia have a right to have a kind of veto on nato expansion or natal deployment, even in countries that are already became nate members after and $97.00. so it's more than you create. but you agree and of course is the focus point. that's the sure thing for us, and you would expect also statements and narratives when it comes to conflicts such as the one we're dealing with. but when you russian defense minister. so gay show says that u. s. private admitted to companies are plotting provocation using unknown a chemical component. how do you see that statement under th

ukraine has been celebrating the 30th anniversary of its armed forces. an adviser to the president said the country was gratefulforjoe biden�*s support and urged russia to use diplomatic means to ease regional tensions. the ball is now in moscow�*s court, all eyes will be on the ukrainian border to see what happens next. peter bowes, bbc news, los angeles. michael 0�*hanlon is director of research for foreign policy and co—director of the center for security, strategy, and technology at the brookings institution. getting to you. what is your take on this conversation between the us and russia? i think president biden and russia had it mostly right, economic punishment would be the right response for europe, nato and canada in the event of a very unfortunate and i think are unlikely russian attack on ukraine. i don�*t think we want to commit american or nato military forces to protect ukraine. it�*s not a nato member and we don�*t want to use our military forces all over the world in places that are important but still secondary importance.

biden and putin in urgent talks about ukraine. the u.s. threatens the sanctions ofhe frontier is correct. russia has troops on ukraine's eastern border and kyiv fears another annexation. our correspondent standing by with the analysis live. the man wanted over the 2018 murder of saudi dissident journalist jamal khashoggi has been arrested trying to board a flight here in paris. dr. fauci says research so far shows omicron is more contagious but less deadly than the delta variant of covid-19. the u.s. infectious disease experts says more information is to come in coming weeks. this is "live from paris." mark: thank you very much for being with us. the urgent phone conference between joe biden and vladimir putin on the crisis in ukraine took place this tuesday, exchanging frank and professional words, according to the kremlin. putin telling biden that the ukraine's destructive attitude towards settlement. u.s. feels different and feels pressure is planning a military operation against ukraine. there are reports of 175,000 troops massed on uk

but ukraine?e? no. it's a god given right to territorial integrity and american soldiers will die to defend that territorial integrity. that's our official position as a country. now according to cnn, we mustte stop these russian attacks on the sacred borders of ukraine because if we don't stop, then what we could have here is what cnn is calling a dire security situation. now that phrase apparently comes from joe biden's undersecretary of state, toria newland who gave a "gloomy briefing" to u.s. senators last night. she's strongly in favor of war with russia. what is amazing is that anyone anywhere is still listening to her. no serious person could take victoria newland seriously. she's a joke.ni not only is she obviously unimpressive as a person and she's not pro-american, by the way, she's one of the architects of the disaster in iraq. so why is she still talking about foreign policy? is the guy who designed chernobyl still building nuclear reactors?he probably not. only in washington where failure i

right. ukraine? maybe it has been the focus point of the rush or western stand up with now it's kind of more and rush is talking about not just about your brain, but about the entire the of the russian border. you cri, you border between russia, nato and russia, wants to have a secure situation where there are no threatening western mo, trees, or weapons or anything and appearing there. and those that are there should be withdrawn. and russia have a right to have a kind of veto on nato expansion or natal deployment, even in countries that are already became nate members after and $97.00. so it's more than you create. but your grain, of course, is the focus point that the sure thing fos, and you would expect also statements and narratives when it comes to conflicts such as the one we're dealing with. but when you, russian defense minister, so geisha go says that u. s. private, the emitter to companies are plotting provocation using unknown a chemical component. how do you see that statement under the

putin if he dares to go further into ukraine. we always must have the ability to back up our national security by the use of our military, but it should always be of last resort. >> i want to ask you about the decision of the diplomatic boycott of beijing when it comes to the olympics. you know,like, okay, it makes it seem like we're punishing china. does it seem like it's been done at a fair price? >> you look at the olympics scheduled to take place in two months. >> right. >> we need to recognize that we have to be very clear about china's treatment on human rights of its own citizens, not just the uighurs. there's so many in russia -- in china that are paying a very heavy price baufs of the current regime in china. they have violated international norms, and there should be a price to pay. we have to might clear we will high light china's violation of the rights and stand up for the people being persecuted, uighurs and others. >> senator, my interview with you reminds me of how serious it is the issues you have to discuss in t

, reside in ukraine. ukraine officials have indicated if putin does invade, not only do they believe it would be a bloodbath but there would be millions of refugees that leave ukraine. so there would be a need for providing assistance to americans. obviously when you have something that becomes a war zone, it makes it that much more difficult. this isn't just the taliban advancing when they took crimea. putin's forces even downed a commercial airliner killing all of the citizens that were on board because it was a war zone and it's very difficult for normal operations to occur. >> i think they did that from russia, though, not from crimea itself. same era, though. before you go, i have to ask you, you're the number two republican on the house intelligence committee, the number one republican congressman devin nunes of california announced he's retiring to go work for trump's media company. do you want the top job? presumably, if republicans take the house, you'd be the chair. do you want that? >> absolute

charles stratford reports now from eastern ukraine. as critics accused the kremlin of blackmail and weapon icing energy exports coal mine close to the front line in eastern ukraine. mines, such as this one have helped fuel industry and the don bass region and across what was the soviet union, the over a century. but ukraine remains dependent on russia to meet its energy needs, especially coal, which is vital for fueling ukrainian pow stations in 2014 pro russia, separatists seized control of the majority of the mines. further depleting, ukraine's access to call decades of neglect means much of the mines infrastructure is close to collapse. the, about all the new north is your thought, the equipment we have is from 958, lack of investment and government negligence is one of the reasons why we face a shortage. things could be difficult this winter. another problem is that russia caught ukraine's coal supply last month. russia has recently stopped exporting coal to ukraine, saying that there's just too much domestic internal demand for th

that raises new questions how exactly president biden could support ukraine if they get invaded. >> ukraine is not a nato country, right? but to ukraine's west, are nato countries and to that point, i don't happen to believe that vladimir putin would be crazy enough to invade nato country. his obligations under article 5 we are under war and i don't think vladimir putin wants that. ukraine is not a nato country. >> president biden chaired senate foreign relations committee and talked a lot about how he has known sam to so many world leaders for so long and campaigned at somebody who would draw upon that experience to restore order in the world, but now all of that knowledge is being tested, john. >> john: this could be all about putin ensuring ukraine does not become a nato country. an important conversation in th, great to have you in this moment where big decisions have to be made. do you share in the president's critics, fears, the situation ukraine could be afghanistan 2.0? >> sadly, so many ways we have been here before in history is repeating itself. when russia invaded crimea under b

what might be ahead for the future of ukraine, ukraine, the who and the us are concerned about a recent build up of troops near the ukrainian border. washington says it could take no plans to attack. russia meanwhile, says it was a written declaration that ukraine will never be allowed to join the nato military alliance is the 2nd time this month. the 2 leaders have spoken you more talks with senior us, and russian officials are set for january. for more, let's bring in james, curt shake. he's a visiting fellow with a brookings institute, specialize on european politics and u. s. foreign policy strategy. mister curtis. these were the 2nd talks this month between president biden and putin. what results do you expect? i think will be more still made because i don't see the united states backing down . i said, united states and its allies does this really should not be a conversation between the united states and russia over the heads of the ukrainians. this is, this is about the democratic west, the free world. it's about the european community standing up for the really post world war 2

moscow, both russia and ukraine of accused each other ramping up tensions in recent weeks. ukraine says more than 90000 russian soldiers near the border, but claims that it is preparation for an attack have been denied. russia accuses ukraine of plotting to recapture areas in the east of the country held by pro russia rebels. it says ukraine has gathered about 125000 soldiers near the conflict june. something which that side has denied ukraine is not part of nature, but russian president vladimir putin has warned that any expansion of the alliances military infrastructure into ukraine would be a red line or not by or neutral which had of ukraine for him at the international. think tank chatham house, thanks very much for being with a certain, with a build up of troops that we've seen a how lucky is it that russia will make some kind of incursion into ukraine. while with this current build up proseries, clearly trying to communicate that the military option is on the table. there are the options, as i am sure, but a lot will depend on how the west and especially the united states, re egg

well, once a week, i mean, it's moving into georgia, ukraine. i know when is the north atlantic treaty organization and that kind of them moving and then happily in their way into a central asia. so we're getting all of the rhetorical excesses from they do. and it's glen pointed out when push comes to shove, and they have to justify themselves to the western public as a say, well, we only have sanctions in mind. we're not actually going to go to war because it was the western public isn't going to tolerate with russia. you know, quick thing. this argument, if nato doesn't expand the means, granting rational sphere influence. we hear this over and over again. so influence actually has a meaning, it's such an exclusive influence, expand nato. that's just tool for fears of influence. russia saying no expansion, best not sphere of influence? that's a, you know, that's, that's an opposing. and so we really turn the language on this has it's quite remarkable. yeah. well, it means when i tell you it means and you have really what it means. and what is

u with more calls that the escalade tensions with ukraine. russia substantial. miller build up in and around ukraine. this races tensions and undermined security in europe. we call on russia to return to diplomacy and to the escalates and to respect ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity the about. and we expect russia to deescalate and refrain from any aggression towards his neighbors and respect the rights of sovereign states. separately, the reservation on thursday, the 30 javelin anti tank missiles systems were delivered to ukraine in october, as part of a $60000000.00 military aid package. with another $200000000.00 donation. still an option on washington's table are senior correspondent. i guess they have discussed the ukrainian tension with andrew farmer. the situation on the ground in ukraine is perhaps, worst of all because that is where people are dying. people are dying, people are suffering. people are going through through hell and have been going through hell for many years now. we have seen of the united states, specifically, pumping weap

passed a nonbinding if russia invaded ukraine. the white house so far has not taken a position on it but issued stern warnings. >> we consulted with our allies and have a path forward impose significant and severe harm on the russian authority. you can call that a threat, you can call that a fact. you can call it preparation. whatever you want to call it. >> ahead of the biden putin call the white house is signaling to return there is still an off ramp. >> i think there is a lot of space here for the diplomacy and leadership to work. >> they are also painting a picture of what might happen if russia moves forward. saying partners in the eastern flank, which the u.s. is obligated to defend, would be looking for reassurance from the u.s. republicans say now is the time for president biden to project strength. >> what we don't want to do is allow president putin to continue with the pipeline, especially as he is preparing, perhaps, to invade ukraine. so, we do have to push back on that and i think that there is a large group of unite

tell me more about a wider look at the ukraine. tensions right now, the situation on the ground in ukraine is perhaps, worst of all because that is where people are dying. people are dying. people are suffering. people are going through through hell and have been going through hell for many years that we have. we have seen the united states, specifically pumping weapons into ukraine for the ukrainian military. and these are weapons b, b, b, they a javelin miss are supplied by the united states or by dr. drones supplied by turkey. these are, these are weapons that are flowing into ukraine and immediately going to the conflicts of where the civil war is being fought in the east of ukraine. there are more than 2000000 civilians are trapped in the conflict soon in east than ukraine. and they're just having to break it out, people going to sending their kids to school. they will have to worry about a tang cello, a mortar round landing. they're on the grounds of the school. vladimir putin is like and what is happening to a war cra, sorta see, i should say the rooster phobias, the 1st step toward

the people are still getting killed in yeern ukraine -- in eastern ukraine. and, russia, of course, is still holding on to ukraine, two massive violations of ukraine eastertorial integrity, ukraine's also under siege from cyber attacks and espionage. i think vladimir putin is very well aware if he opened it up fully to a full invasion, russia would pill an in-- spill an inordinate amount of blood and treasure in the process. i wish president biden would have stated publicly exactly what was said in that meeting with vladimir putin. there's no reason to have kept that a secret. we should be discussing this publicly. again, the concern going forward is russia wants some kind of veto over ukraine's foreign policy, and the■ç secretary-general for nato last week said that ukraine should be free to join nato if they wish. well, russia doesn't see it that way. putin wants a legal guarantee that nato will not expand further, and i think that's the long-term question for the biden administration. david: yeah. putin also clearly wants some area, some territory in at

and the allegations here are that russia and ukraine are not engaging in prison, a swaps ukraine is not allowing local elections to take place in the area control by russian separatists. russia isn't removing heavy armor. lots of things like this should have happened by now. so this is what an exchange in russia will repeated its point about his red lines that he does not want to see nato expanding eastwards, taking in ukraine and ga iran has submitted to draft proposals to european powers, negotiating the revival of the 2015 nuclear deal this is the 7th round of talks in vienna aimed at bringing iran on the us back into the deal. it's meant to limit iran's nuclear program and exchange for sanctions relief. on wednesday, the us nuclear watchdog said iran is expanding its uranium enrichment capabilities . despite the negotiations or the hash them has more on iran draft proposals from vienna. there are 2 lines one on the sanctions. really, the 2nd is on iran, rolling back, it's measures the post 2018 measures. and from the radius will now be waiting to hear from the world whether this is

and the allegations here are that russia and ukraine are not engaging in prisoners swaps. ukraine is not allowing local elections to take place in the area controlled by russian separatist. russia isn't removing heavy armor. lots of things like this should have happened by now. so this is what an exchange in russia will repeated its point about his red lines that he does not want to see nato expanding eastwards, taking in ukraine and ga iran has submitted to draft proposals to european powers, negotiating the revival, the 2015 nuclear deal, the talks are the 7th round to be held in vienna aimed at bringing iran on the u. s . back into the deal. they're meant to limit iran nuclear program and exchange for sanctions relief. on wednesday, the us nuclear watchdog set iran is expanding its uranium enrichment capabilities. despite the negotiations on the hashem has more on iran draft proposals from vienna . there are 2 lines one on the sanctions. relieve the 2nd is on iran, rolling back, it's measures the post 2018 measures and from the radius will now be waiting to hear from the war power

that ukraine is his. that ukraine and russia must be one. the united states looks at ukraine as an ally, but doesn't nearly have the same emotional and strategic connection to ukraine that russia does. it is just an imbalance of power. there putin understands that. if you testing how far the united states or allies will go to defend ukraine? obviously the united states is not going to war with russia in order to defend ukraine. everyone keep saying that up and down, but short of war, the united states presumably has more options than we have exercised in the past. is this an effort to flush out what those might be, and you sense the biden administration might be willing to do things that haven't been done before to dissuade this type of aggression? >> well look, you are absolutely right rachel. you framed this exactly the right way. this is what putin is doing. he is probing and testing. he is making it very clear that if he decides to keep us testing about whether he has made that kind of decision, that he is poised to do much more damage t

ukraine and western partners. hibatallah: we can get into that later but i want to get a ukrainian perspective on this. this summit was generally seen as constructive i the united states and russia. ultimately, nothing was resolved,, and ukraine's fate hangs in the balance. how are they likely to view this in tf -- kiev? alexei: i think, first of all, there was a strong statement from the u.s. president, and this is very important. the president and his advisers --the u.s. and its european partners, they have seen t ogether there would be increased economic sanctions against russia and this is very important moment for mr. putin. in all this talk, basically that is what he would like to hear. again, i would like to remind to your viewers that in 2014, nobody expected russian attack, because ukraine, at the time it, was no allied states, and we were hoping -- we would never imagine that putin would annex crimea, start a war, and annex. he violates the freedom of navigations. nobody expected that putin would send tr

it's a shared water ukraine's president, ukraine's presence. there is legal. i wonder if it was just pushing the boundaries a bit to night and maybe war more more was more to it than just a vessel that was all of a sudden incommunicado just got lost. look, look at it this way, the ukrainians know what they do. they know what they're doing, they've done this many times before that he's passed through the street. if you have a vessel and it is very strange to hear that the ukrainian and military doesn't have any information on this incident. considering that this is a command ship of all things it has been, it was previously a repair ship, has been retrofitted updated to a combined ship many years ago now. so if there's a cup, a breakdown, and communication between the ukrainian or military and one of its ships are command ship no less than they have. yes. serious, serious problem, right. we're reporting from, from russia. what, what would the west expect russia to do tonight? what, what, what would you train of wanted russia to do tonight? if say this was a pro

what would ukraine's president like to hear? do you think, charles i think it's fair to say that the lord mayor's uminski is going to want a hair more pledges of support. he's going to want to see the one of a better expression, more meat on the bone. we can imagine he's going to want a hair bite and telling him about a continuation of what the us called a supply of defensive capabilities. we understand at the us this year is as given around $450000000.00 worth of security assistance to ukraine. and the finals tranche of a package of around $60000000.00 worth of light arms and ammunition is expected in the next few days. we're also probably expecting him to tell zalinski more details about these kind of sanctions or straight of economic sanctions that the u. s. a nato ally said i put together to try and it's her russia from any kind of further escalation. but alice, you talked to also mention things that biden may be forced to tell zalinski the things that he may not want to hear. a means of trying to possibly get some sort of c