amy: let me bring anatol lieven back into the conversation. the issue of who is questioning this rush to war. you have fox network of attacker carlsson, who is -- fox network, tucker carlsson, the u.s. should side with russia then you have many calling -- many of tucker carlsson's fans calling democratic commerce members saying, stop siding with ukraine, side with russia. but where are the progressives on this? not about siding with russia or ukraine, butalking about stopping this rush to war? >> i think that is been one of the greatest aointment of recent years in america, and of course this goes back to the invasion of iraqn 2003 which a great many american progressives importantly supported. i wrote athat tim was extraordinary in the debate as it was in iraq, you had all of these debates about iraq in some weight resbleietnam? vietnase jungles, which turned out they did imany ways. rerkable health few people are asking how does what america is doing threatening to do or will do as an occupying force, how is that likely to resembl at america
