in jamie raskin's new, book out today. we learned, among other things, that he had a little initially proposed a motion that senators should vote on senators impeachment by secret ballot. they should not stand up and vote, but they shouldn't conduct their vote in secret. i think a lot of americans believe that had been a secret ballot, the conviction of trump would not have just been a shirt, it might have been unanimous. raskin also proposes senators should sit alphabetically rather than by party, breaking senators apart from their partisan bonds, at least in that physical sense, so that could more easily vote,. we learned then raskin's book that he has come to see the attack on january six is three coincided and brinks, the first ring, the outer ring, the rioters. screaming and smashing things. up the second ring, the middle ring, the insurrectionists, who came to actually stop the congressional vote counting process, including the paramilitaries among them, who are trained, and who in some cases brought arms to the capi

joining us now is congressman jamie raskin. democrat of maryland. the author of the new book "unthinkable:trauma, truth and the trials of american democracy." congressman, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> so i have to ask you, reading the book and knowing you a little bit and having talked to you over the course of the last few years. you are incredibly articulate. unimaginably articulate about your choice to stay public and to keep working and indeed write this book in the middle of the grief and challenge. now that you are putting it out to the world, and able to talk about it, does it still feel like the right thing to do? does it feel like you had to do it? >> well, tommy was a young man. indeed, he was a boy who was filled with extraordinary moral and political passions. and i think if feels right because of who he was and what he wanted for the world. tommy was in his second year at harvard law school. when we lost him. and he was deeply engaged in movements for human rights against war, or animal rights and wel

jamie raskin's mom barbara was a best-selling novelist. his dad, marcus, an anti-vietnam war activist who ended up on president richard nixon's enemies list. >> it certainly gave me a sensitivity to people who get into high office or the highest ofice of the presidency, and then abuse it for their own political purposes. >> reporter: when raskin, a longtime professor of constitutional law at american university, decided to enter politics, his family was all in. sara, daughters hanna and tabitha, and especially son tommy. >> tommy was pure magic. he just was. he was always writing plays. he was always writing poems. he was exuberant. everybody wanted to be around him. like so many kids today, he had -- he had a struggle with mental health. >> reporter: during the paemic, tom t hisarla school clm the raskins' maryland home. he was shaken by both george floyd's death and donald trump's false election claims. >> the darkness at the time overcame him. >> reporter: and on the night of december 30th, 2020, tommy raskin would take his own life. an

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after all, jamie raskin seems to have lived a charmed life. since 2017, representing a maryland congressional district that shares his pragmatic progressive ideals. >> this is a community of activists and dreamers. it always has been. >> reporter: he met his wife, law professor, sarah bloom rskin, a former deputy treasury secretary when they were both students at harvard law school. so why did you marry him? >> i knew life would be really, really deep and beautiful with jamie. >> reporter: jamie raskin's mom, barbara, was a best-selling novelist, his dad an anti-vietnam war activist who ended up on president richard nixon's enemy list. >> it gave me a sensitivity for people who get into the highest office of the presidency and then abuse it for their own political purposes. >> reporter: when raskin, a long time professor of constitutional law at american university, decided to enter politics, his family was all in. sarah, daughters hannah and tabitha, and especially son tommy. >> tommy was pure magic. he just was. he was always writing plays.

joining us now is maryland congressman, a member of the january 6 investigation, jamie raskin. he is the author of the book called "unthinkable, trauma, truth and the trials of american democracy." congressman raskin, i appreciate you talking time on this busy night. thank you for being here. >> thank you, rachel. >> i have tried to sum up a number of developments today. it's one of the days that feels like a whirlwind. can you tell us -- correct me if i got any that was wrong. can you put in your own words what the importance is of the four new subpoenas. mr. epstein is complaining about the fact that these subpoenas are -- we have eric trump complaining this is a partisan investigation and he has nothing to hide. can you tell us about the importance of the subpoenas from your perspective? >> well, let's see. lawyers first of all are not exempt from having to obey the law.

congress man jamie raskin, a member of the january 6th select committee hasn't personally seen this draft executive order but this is what he said about that ton tonight. >> it indicates there was one more line of possible attack which was something like a military coup planned before january 6th, the military seizure of ballot boxes and military takeover of the process. it seems to me that president trump tried to let 11,000 flowers bloom in terms of para military and extra constitutional attacks on the election result and all of it come c came together january 6th. >> mark, seizing voting machines because you lost is the kind of thing that really stops you right in your tracks. this is crazy. >> it is, don, and shows the

member jamie raskin next. tomorrow, the house is back in session. and all eyes will be on the january six committee. so far, congress members jim jordan and scott perry say they will not cooperate with the committee. and last week, their leaders in the house, republican kevin mccarthy says he will not testify either. which begs the question, are subpoenas on the way? while the committee zeroes in on the peripheral figures around the insurrection, what about donald trump? the man who incited the riot. well, that man is still out stalking the flames of the bigger. listen to what he had to say while endorsing a republican candidate in pennsylvania. >> we won the state. it's something that i contests, and i will continue to contests. we are up a massive amount at 10:00 in the evening. and then all of a sudden, things closed, and it reopened, and voila, look what happened. so we have to be a lot sharper the next time when it comes to counting the votes. sometimes, the vote counter it is more important than the candidate. and we can't let that ever happen

author jamie raskin, whose new book is titled unthinkable. thank you very much for joining us. it's always an honor to have. you >> thank you so much for having me, lawrence. >> coming up, here's a live look at the house floor where lawmakers are preparing to vote to send the freedom to vote act to the senate. more on that coming up. next, ezra klein has written the new must read peace for anybody who is worried about the midterms, voting access and state of democracy, the messages stop worrying, and start working. mesereau klein will join us next. when you're born and raised in san francisco, you grow up wanting to make a difference. that's why, at recology, we're proud to be 100% employee owned with local workers as diverse as san francisco. we built the city's recycling system from the ground up, helping to make san francisco the greenest big city in america but we couldn't do it without you. thank you, san francisco. gracias, san francisco. -thank you. -[ speaks native language ] let's keep making a difference together. new year, new star

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joining us now is congressman jamie raskin. democrat of maryland. author of the new book unthinkable. trama, truth and the trials of american democracy. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> so i have to ask you, reading the book and knowing you a little bit and having talked to you over the course of the last few years. you are incredibly articulate. about your choice to stay public to kp working and write this book in the middle of the grief and challenge. now that you are putting it out to the world, and able to talk about it, does it still feel like the right thing to do? does it feel like you had to do it? >> well, tommy was a young man. he was a boy who was filled with extraordinary moral and political passion. and i think if feels right because of who he was and what he wanted for the world. tommy was in his second year at harvard law school. when we lost him. he was deeply engaged in movements for human rights, against war. for animal rights and welfare. and to defend and expand democracy. he was asking a lot more of democ

jamie raskin seems to be behind that as well. jonathan, let's talk about another topic that you and i were discussing yesterday. that is, extremism in general in the threat it poses to democracy. it is part of the larger conversation that we are having. when we saw yesterday, was one small thing, and it didn't end up being the worst result. but we are in an environment where extremism thrives in america. >> there is no doubt. i think we kid ourselves when we believe that some natural law that dictates that democracy will persist forever. unless we fight for. we have got to fight to work and protect the liberties that our shrine in the constitution. when we have an environment where people think it is normal for an armed militia to literally overtake the capitol, to assault police officers, and keep in mind that will happen on january the 6th was not a surprise to us at adl. we track extremists. and we have seen, for example, their efforts to take the capitol in michigan. their efforts to attack the capital building in oregon. we

raskin, now best-selling author jamie raskin, whose new book is titled "unthinkable." thank you very much for joining us again tonight, it's an honor to have you. >> thanks so much for having me, lawrence. >>> coming up, here's a live look at the house floor where lawmakers are preparing to vote to send the freedom to vote john r. lewis act to the senate. more on that coming up. >>> next, ezra klein has written the new must-read piece for anyone who is worried about the midterms, voting access, state of democracy, and the message is, stop worrying and start working. ezra klein will join us next. working. ezra klein will join us next ♪ baby got back by sir mix-a-lot ♪ unlimited cashback match... only from discover. [ sneeze ] are you ok? oh, it's just a cold. if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. unlike other cold medicines, coricidin provides powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure be there for life's best moments with coricidin. now in sugar free liquid. i'm always up for what's next, even with higher stroke risk due to afib

>> the most important lesson -- actually, as i listened to jamie raskin -- is truth. in order to have self-governance we have to have a basic compact between the furthest left and the furthest right, which is you go and vote, your vote will count and the election results will be the election results and if you lose you go out and try to convince more people of your side. when conspiracy infects truth and when identity becomes built not around the community you live in, not around your faith, your identity becomes built by your political affiliation, you know, nobody wants to lose their identity, and now all of a sudden you have these lies that have to exist, particularly as republicans, to stay republican, self-governance can't survive in that. it's a disappointing day for me, it's a day where i'm a little pessimistic, optimistic in the long term, but i'm doubling down my efforts to get to the truth because that's what's going to save everything. >> how close do you think we came to having the democracy collapse? >> i think we came pretty close, honestly. i mean, you

joining me now is congressman jamie raskin. he's the author of the new book "unthinkable." i have not had a chance to read it yet. next time i would have read your book, thank you for writing it and thank you for doing this. >> i appreciate you are having me on tonight, don. >> let's start with these bomb shell texts, what does the committee think hannity knows about the effort and why does the committee believe he must cooperate? >> he clear lly knows something because he was on the course trying to dissuade him from executing the coup against joe biden. they were trying to overthrow and just repudiated by the electoral college. he seems to know a lot more. those texts are kind of pregnant with possibilities when he says i am disturbed this could happen the next 48 hours or i am nervous the next 48 hours so we want to know. not because he's a news commentator anywhere than sound engineer, he knows and he was a fact witness and his name has come up. everybody owes congress his or her truthful testimonies. the supreme court have said as much. we are operated under commands f

i talk to congressman jamie raskin on the house side today. and i'm curious about your reaction to the day and whether there are a lot of republican senators around. >> republican senators are not around now. my good old friend and colleague, johnny isakson, his funeral is today. so 30 of the republican senators are in atlanta georgia for that purpose. and i just think that it's noteworthy that there was not a single republican in the united states in the building. >> i thought as i was watching that speech that there was a chance to do something right afterwards. which that the president was impeached for the second time in the first time in american history. he was the largest bipartisan vote of impeachment. and the largest vote for conviction but not the threshold. and what would the punishments that you could've dealt out had he could've been convicted in the senate was just barred from future office. i wonder if you think about that at all and how different things might look in america had republicans understood that that was their opport

joining me now is congressman jamie raskin of maryland. author of "unthinkable, trauma, truth and the trials of american democracy." i should point out you were on the january 6th select committee. congressman raskin, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you very much for having me, jonathan. i'm delighted to be here. >> all right. so let's talk about part one as i've been calling it throughout the week. the trump takeover plan. it was in three -- it was in three parts here. the first one was to persuade and coerce state election officials to overturn the results under the guise of fraud and the second was to convince republican-led state legislators to vote and get pence to reject electors in swing states. you talked about this as early as may of 2020. why were you so prescient? >> well, i wasn't particularly prescient, jonathan, it's just clear where the polls were going. it's clear where the people were going, but we also knew donald trump's nature by that point. he refuses to accept defeat. he refuses to accept

jamie raskin a member of the select committee is here live with us one on one in a couple minutes. i'm hallie jackson in washington along with other nbc news team to start us off. peter alexander at the white house, courtney at the pentagon, garrett haake at capitol hill and matt bradley in kiev. let me slew blanket apology in case i have to interrupt any of you. we want to hear from that end of washington on the latest. we heard from president biden who was clear about the potential consequences for vladimir putin if russia invades. talk us through this. this was not an expected news conference from president biden. these were off-the-cuff remarks to a group of reporters traveling with him today. >> that's exactly right. there was nothing on his public schedule but they added this unannounced stop at a small business and when the president was doing some shopping he turned to reporters and said you may have some questions. it was clear he had a message he wanted to communicate on ukraine, and it sounded like it was focused on the idea he would be willing to move some of the 8500 f

congressman jamie raskin's book on the list, unthinkable, about what's happened here in washington. and then the other one is carl bernstein's chasing history. now, mr. bernstein of watergate fame, of course. is he somebody that you would try to get in store or at least on a zoom author event? >> most definitely. we're trying right now. in fact, i think we're working on a date, and we're leaving it kind of in person until we can't have it many person. i'm also going to have carl on my bod cast -- podcast. and the book looks, i'm waiting for one to come to me soon, and it looks really, really great because he talks about, you know, the making of a journalist, the early days, you know? even sort of pre-watergate days as well, which i'm looking forward to. i mean, someone who thought one time in my life that maybe i would go that route, i've always been fascinated by what makes someone do that. you know, it's, i expect really good things from that book. and in terms of -- jamie raskin, he's somebody i didn't know very well, the horrible, tragic story of his son who seemed like a remark

i wanted to mention i want to mention that you also have congressman jamie raskins book on your list unthinkable about what's happened here in washington. and then the other one is carl bernstein's chasing history. now as mr. bernstein of watergate fame, of course, is he somebody that you would try to get in store or at least? on a zoom author event most definitely we're trying right now. in fact, i think we're working out a date and we're leaving it. kind of imperson until we can't have it in person. i'm also going to have carl and my podcast and the book looks i'm waiting for one to be coming out to come to me soon. and it looks really really great because he talks about you know, the making of a journalist the early days, you know, even you know, sort of pre-watergate days as well, which i'm looking forward to i mean as someone who thought one time in my life that maybe i would go that route. i've always been fascinated by you know, what makes someone do that. their there you know, it's i expect really good things from that book and in terms of jamie raskin, he's someone that i di

joining us now is democratic congressman, jamie raskin. he was a member of the january six committee and served as the impeachment manager in the second impeachment trial of donald trump. he is the author of the new book, unthinkable. and importantly for our purposes tonight, he is a professor of constitutional law. i don't know whether i should call your congressman or professor raskin tonight. but i am eager to get your reaction to work things stand tonight with justice breyer and formal announcement today. the presidents promise to make a decision within the month of february and possibly on to senate confirmation hearings at some point in march. >> well, good evening lawrence, thanks for having me. it is definitely an exciting moment. it always is when we could put someone new on the supreme court. i would hope this process moves as quickly as the process did for amy county brett nguyen she was added to the supreme court. that was a matter of weeks for the whole thing to happen. i'm hoping that we're not going to run into a whole seque

congressman jamie raskin is back with us. so tell us, congressman, cnn is reporting that mark schwartz, pence's former chief of staff is cooperating with the committee. my understanding is he's supposed to be talking to them next week. what do you hope to learn from him? >> we want to fill in all the details of the effort to get pence to unilaterally, sweepingly and lawlessly reject electoral college votes. we want to know what kinds of pressure won't nonviolent and vio violent were in the air that mike pence to his credit refused to succumb to on that day. and we want to know what other efforts were afoot to undermine and overthrow the presidential election result. >> i'm going to turn to something that is very sad and something that you know too well. actress regina king just lost her son to suicide. you are no stranger to that kind of loss. you talk about it in your book, unthinkable, trauma, truths and the trials of american democracy. your strength and grace, they have been just incredible, congressman. so what you your

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jamie raskin is one of those people. he is also just a wonderful human being and a wonderful example of a public servant. and for him to have both contributed so much to the country in particular over this last year but to have done so from the position of grief that he was in with losing his son, it is unthinkable. it's the type of a. spoke to him to be able to write about it and still be tree ching through that, i cannot fathom the strength and the depth of character that he has to be able to do. it i don't know anything like it. >> yes, it really is. and rachel, i for one, you could put me down as having extremely low expectations for learning anything important about what is going on in the justice department tomorrow. this is when the attorney general speaks. i got really low expectations. >> why did they say days in advance that he is going to give the speech. because he very easily could have -- they could've put it on in this morning notice to the justice department personnel that they have and nobody would -- bu

thank you, jamie raskin. >> the pleasure is mine. thank you. >> cheers. >>> tune in on sunday, all of you please on february 6th for the premiere of "love and the constitution" about congressman raskin's struggle to save democracy and his personal tragedy with the loss of his beloved son tommy. >>> coming up, 30 million families are feeling the effect of the manchin sinema wrath as monthly child tax credits come to an end. stay with us. to an end. to an end. stay with us how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. i've been telling everyone... the secret to great teeth is having healthy gums. crest advanced gum restore. detoxifies below the gumline... and restores by helping heal gums in as little as 7 days. crest. the #1 toothpaste brand in america. inner voice (kombucha brewer): as a new small business owner, i find it useful to dramatically stare out of the window... ...so that no one knows i'm secretly terrified inside. inner voice (sneaker shop owner): i'm using hand gestures and pointing... ...so no one can tell i'm

joyce, i was talking to the congressman jamie raskin who was part of the january 6 committee yesterday about the powers of that committee, what it can or can't do in terms of subpoenas and other members of congress. here's what he told me. >> look, we've got the power under article 1 of the constitution to set the rules of our own houses. we have the right to discipline members all the way up to the point of expulsion, and the speech and debate clause says the members of congress cannot be questioned for their legislative activity outside of congress, which clearly implies that within congress, we have the authority to do that. >> i always enjoy talking to jamie raskin, but he's a super smart guy and lawyer, and i need you to help us make sense of what he was saying. >> well, i think his constitutional scholarship is just dead on point here. it seems very likely to me that the committee can, in fact, subpoena members, that it has that power. the problem that they're going to face is what are they going to do about it when some of those members refuse to show up and testify? so that's t

joining us is jamie raskin, author of "unthinkable, trauma, truth, and the trials of american democracy." thanks so much for being with us. i want to get your reaction, first of all, to the seditious conspiracy charges. jeff toobin saying it's about to determine if these so-called oath keepers were acting alone or had help from people either in the white house or the acolytes around the former president. do you agree with that, and how does that track with the work your committee is doing? >> well, it seemed perfectly obvious to me, anderson, for many months now that within what i call that second ring of the action on january 6th, there were people who had been planning, coordinating, and organizing to come to smash our windows, to break down our doors, to break in, and to go and interrupt the proceeding of the joint session of congress counting electoral college votes. and they obviously were armed in lots of different ways. they were well funded. i hope that this arrest and this prosecution will shut up our colleagues saying if there was a conspiracy, how come there were no conspirac

paula reed reporting. >>> let's discuss this and more with congressman jamie raskin. he is a key member of the january 6th select committee. he is also the author of a very timely, brand-new book, there you see the cover, entitled "unthinkable: trauma, truth and the trials of american democracy." congressman, thank you so much for joining us. thanks so much for writing this book. i want to get to all of the news in just a moment, but let me start by once again expressing my deepest condolences to you and your family for the loss of your son tommy. you buried him i know a year ago today, and you write about him in your new book. first of all, how are you doing and how would you like him to be remembered on this day? >> well, thank you for asking, wolf. thank you for having me. we are hanging tough as a family and we have great friends and we have great neighbors and wonderful constituents of mine here in maryland's eighth district. so we're doing okay and we're able to talk about tommy without dissolving into tears and agony, but we want him to be remembered as a beaut

joining us is jamie raskin, author of unthinkable trauma, truth, and the trials of american democracy. thanks so much for being with us. i want to get your reaction, first of all, to the seditious conspiracy charges. jeff toobin saying it's about to determine if these so-called oath keepers were acting alone or had help from people either in the white house or the acolytes around the former president. do you agree with that, and how does that track with the work your committee is doing? >> well, it seemed perfectly obvious to me, anderson, for many months now that within what i call that second ring of the action on january 6th, there were people who had been planning, coordinating, and organizing to come to smash our windows, to break down our doors, to break in, and to go and interrupt the proceeding of the joint session of congress counting electoral college votes. and they obviously were armed in lots of different ways. they were well funded. i hope that this arrest and this proscecution will shut up our colleagues saying if there was a conspiracy, how come there were no conspirac

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love and the constitution follows maryland representative jamie raskin through a heartbreaking three years. raskin was a professor of constitutional law for more than 25 years for going to congress in 2017. raskin cloaked the january 6th insurrection days after his son tommy died by suicide. >> we were not the only family in that god off year to lose a family member. if you add up covid-19, opioid deaths, gun violence and all of the other normal causes, millions of people lost loved ones. >> amen. >> we are surrounded now by american carnage. the country is still just trying to absorb the emotional impact of events that brought us right up to the edge of a real coup in america. we can't have healing before we have an honest reckoning and this president must be held accountable for the role he's played. >> raskin said house speaker nancy pelosi threw him a lifeline when she selected him to be the lead prosecutor of trump ease sect impeachment trial. gave him a renewed sense of purpose after his son's death. madeline, the story you ended up telling is not necessarily the story that you

joining us now is jamie raskin of maryland. he's a member of the january six committee and serves the lead impeachment manager and the second impeachment trial of donald trump. he is the author of the new book, unthinkable. and importantly for our purposes tonight he is a professor of constitutional law. i don't know whether i should call you congressman or professor raskin tonight. but i am eager to get your reaction to where things stand tonight with justice breyer and formal announcement today, the presidents promise to make a decision within the month of february and possibly on to senate confirmation hearings at some point in march. >> good evening, lawrence. thanks for having me. it's definitely an exciting moment. it always is when we can put someone new on the supreme court. i would hope this process moves as quickly as the process did for amy coney barrett when she was added to the supreme court. that was a matter of weeks for the whole thing to happen. i'm hoping that we're not going to run into a whole sequence of ro

jamie raskins reflections of the loss of his son the violence at the capitol on january 6th of 2021 and the second impeachment of former president donald trump. and wrapping up our look at the washington post's best-selling. nonfiction books is novelists and patchett's collection of essays these precious days. some of these authors have appeared on book tv and you can watch their programs anytime at book tv.org. just as stephen breyer recently announced his plans to retire from the supreme court appointed by president clinton in 1994. his departure will provide president biden with his first supreme court nomination last october justice breyer discussed his latest book the authority of the court and the peril of politics. here's his response to protesters asking him to retire. of best-selling books from different eras. so before i introduce our guests, i do want to thank our sponsors like so many of our programs tonight's program is sponsored by the wish you well foundation and by connecticut public wnpr, and it'

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joining us now is maryland congressman, a member of the january 6 investigation, jamie raskin. he is the author of the book called "unthinkable, trauma, truth and the trials of american democracy." congressman raskin, i appreciate you talking time on this busy night. thank you for being here. >> thank you, rachel. >> i have tried to sum up a number of developments today. it's one of the days that feels like a whirlwind. can you tell us -- correct me if i got any that was wrong. can you put in your own words what the importance is of the four new subpoenas. mr. epstein is complaining about the fact that these subpoenas are -- we have eric trump complaining this is a partisan investigation and he has nothing to hide. can you tell us about the importance of the subpoenas from your perspective? >> lawyers are not exempt from having to obey the law. neither are family members of presidents or former presidents. we don't have royal families here or former royal families that occupy any privileged constitutional position. everybody is subject to the law and congressional subpoenas and

joining us is jamie raskin, he is author of a great book, unthinkable, and i thank you for taking time on this busy night for being here. thank you. >> thank you rachel. >> so i have tried to sum up a number of different developments, it seems like a whirlwind, can you correct me? can you put in your own words the importance of these new subpoenas, they are complaining that the subpoenas are to lawyers, we have eric trump complaining that there is a partisan investigation, and he has nothing to hide, can you tell us about the importance from your perspective? >> well, lawyers, first of all, are not exempt from having to obey the law. neither our family members of presidents or former presidents, or royal families who have a privilege position, anyone's subject to the law and order to turn over papers in it. we're examining attack on the democracy itself and how to preventing it in the future. what's the subpoenas have in common, is these four individuals are responsible for the big lie. they were spreading it in courtrooms, they were spreading it in official and unofficial ways. our co

we are back with congressman jamie raskin. this sense of having let people down is something that one of your former impeachment managers shared with me. that after presenting all of the evidence, that you had some disbelief that people ostensibly doing their jobe could look at that and not vote to convict. do you still feel that way? >> well, i thought we could end up with a 100-0 verdict. the evidence was so overwhelming it was irrefutable. at the very least, it was totally unrefuted. they didn't even try to lay a glove on the evidence we presented, which was so overwhelming of the president's guilt. and i really thought that at a certain point that within the republican caucus they would say now is the time for us to disengage from this madness and we can put this chapter behind us. they didn't do it. not enough of them did. we did have brave republican senators who institute up. of course in the first impeachment only myth romney cast a vote on one count to convict. it was a dramatic improvement over that. it was a crushin

raskin. he's also the best-selling author of "unthinkable: the trauma, truth, and the trials of american democracy." congressman, great book, thanks so much for being with us, we appreciate it, especially on this snowy night here in the nation's capitol. you've said that when the committee holds hearings later this year that they're going to blow the roof off of congress. what do you mean by that? are there some bombshells we should be looking for? >> well, what we saw on january 6th was an attempted political coup in america, and it was surrounded by a violent insurrection. charges were just brought related to that insurrection. and the oath keepers, and surrounding that insurrection was a mob riot. and none of this happened spontaneously. it was not some kind of dramatic improvisation. this was a carefully planned and staged assault on american democracy, and overwhelmingly people have been cooperating with the committee. so we've got lots of information about what took place. and we're goi

. >>> joining me now is the democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland. he was the lead house manager in donald trump's second impeachment trial, which came about as a result of january 6. he is the author of the new book "unthinkable, trauma, truth and the trials of american democracy." congressman, good to see you. thanks for being with us. i want to follow off of what betsy said. what we are learning in our reporting every day is that there are more things to be learned about january 6, despite the fact that when you were a house manager for the impeachment, you had such detail and so much information and yet there's so much more. my question for you is, where does it lead and when do we find out that someone will be held accountable? we saw the oath keepers charged this week. is that as good as it gets? >> thank you for having me. the senate impeachment trial dealt with one guy and one crime. incitement to violent insurrection. the select committee on january 6 has undertaken a more sweeping investigation into every level of activity taking place. i t

joining us now is maryland congressman, a member of the january 6 investigation, jamie raskin. he is the author of the book called "unthinkable, trauma, truth and the trials of american democracy." congressman raskin, i appreciate you talking time on this busy night. thank you for being here. >> thank you, rachel. >> i have tried to sum up a number of developments today. it's one of the days that feels like a whirlwind. can you tell us -- correct me if i got any that was wrong. can you put in your own words what the importance is of the four new subpoenas. mr. epstein is complaining about the fact that these subpoenas are -- we have eric trump complaining this is a partisan investigation and he has nothing to hide. can you tell us about the importance of the subpoenas from your perspective? >> well, let's see. lawyers first of all are not exempt from having to obey the law. neither are family members of presidents or former presidents. we don't have royal families here or former royal families that occupy any privileged constitutional position. everybody is subject to the law a

i thought it was really interesting in your prior segment with representative jamie raskin you asked him what will the committee do if sean hannity does not comply? representative raskin said we have a panoply of options. i know he can't commit at this point but he doesn't really have a panoply. he has two. one if hannity defies this request is let him go. that's it. would is subpoena him. there is really no complexity about it. so the committee has to decide are they going to serve these informal requests and then follow up with subpoenas or are they going to serve the informal requests and if people say no thank you say okay. go on your way now. that is an important decision the committee has to grapple with. >> elie, hannity's attorney telling cnn they are reviewing the letter and will respond as appropriate do you expect hannity will try to use the first amendment as a defense even though hannity himself said he is not a journalist and you heard jamie raskin saying we're not concerned about, not asking for notes or who his sources are. we are asking as, you saw the analogy he sai

and you heard jamie raskin saying we're not asking for notes or who his sources are. we're asking as if -- you saw the analogy. he said, you know, if you witness a car crash, right? that's what he wants to know. you're still a witness. >> yeah. i think sean hannity and his attorney will certainly hide behind the first amendment, but there's a distinction there. i think representative raskin made the perfect example, don. if you witness a crime on your way to work, you're a witness, right? no one's going to ask you about your sources or your reporting or your personal opinions. the committee goes out of its way in this letter. they're cognizant of that. they say, mr. hannity, we're not going to ask you about your reporting methodology, about your sources, about your personal beliefs. you're just a witness. you're like somebody who witnessed a robbery or a car crash. they will try to cloak themselves in the first amendment, but i really think it's misdirection. >> the committee wants to speak with the former vice president, mike pence. we know that top aides on pence's

the miami herald reports congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and jamie raskin are collaborating on a plan to use the 14th amendment which prohibits people from running for state and federal office to prevent insurrectionists from getting elected. joining me now is florida congresswoman debbie wasser man schultz. it's good to have you back on the broadcast, especially august about this. update us about the discussions and what do you think the chances are that the 14th amendment can be enacted in this way? >> well, happy new year and thanks for having me. first and foremost, the january 6th select committee in the house continues to investigate and with every passing day, more and more is revealed that not only was there an attack on the capitol with, you know, over a thousand rioters, but there was a very diabolical and deliberate plot by donald trump and his allies to overthrow a legit -- overturn a legitimately held presidential election, and so our founding fathers crafted a provision in section 3 of the 14th amendment of the constitution that essentially said anyone who commits

thank you for taking the time to be with us. >>> straight ahead, jamie raskin breaks down the latest in the january 6 investigation and a lot more. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. >>> good morning. it's 9:00 a.m. in the east. it's been nearly one full year since donald trump left office in disgrace. at this time last year, his second impeachment trial for inciting an insurrection was underway. it justifiably dominated the trump narrative since then. the heinousness of the attack has almost made us forget about his other horrible acts of corruption. new reporting from "the new york times" sheds light on the attempts to politicize the census bureau. a newly disclosed memorandum citing unprecedented meddling by the trump administration in the 2020 census and circulated among top census bureau officials indicates how strongly they sought to resist efforts by the

i'll ask jamie raskin why they want to interview the former president's daughter. and is donald trump going to be criminally charged in georgia? >> so what are we going to do here folks? i know we need 11,000 votes. fellas, i need 11,000 votes, give me a break. >> why today's announcement of a special grand jury of the case against donald trump. when all in, starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the day is january 20th, 2022. it is exactly one year into the first term of the 46th president of the united states, joseph, are biden. and one year since this moment. the year of the one term of the twice impeached, disgraced, ex president, donald trump. >> but we really did. we've gotten so much don that nobody thought would be possible and i do want to thank congress. i want to thank all the great people of washington d.c.. all of the people that we worked with to put this miracles together. so, have a good life. we will see you soon, thank you. thank you very much. thank you very much. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> have a good life, i'll tell you, we are t

i'll ask jamie raskin why they want to interview the former president's daughter. and is donald trump going to be criminally charged in georgia? >> so what are we going to do here folks? i know we need 11,000 votes. fellas, i need 11,000 votes, give me a break. >> why today's announcement of a special grand jury of the case against donald trump. when all in, starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the day is january 20th, 2022. it is exactly one year in t

let me ask you to react what jamie raskin was saying there, your colleague there in the house. the fact that the 1/6 committee may be moving forward with subpoenaing sitting congressional members. that's a big step. >> thank you, alex. nice to be with you again. yes, it's a big step, but no one is above the law. former president donald trump, members of congress, no one is above the law. and i think the committee is moving forward in a very objective and a very -- in many ways in a very bold way because they know good and well that our democracy is very fragile and what happened on january 6th, and i think now we're seeing what the justice department's indictment of the oath keepers that this was, in many respects, a militaristic operation to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. i am the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit sponsored by the naacp to hold donald trump, rudy giuliani, the proud boys and the oath keepers accountable. no one is above the law, and we have to protect our democracy. >> tell me a little bit more about this lawsuit, specifically how you joined -- i believe