they met ahead of tools between the us and russia on monday. secretary general jens sultan burg, welcome the talks were ruled out russia's demands to halt nato's expansion. the russian military buildup has not, not stopped. it continues. ah, and there are gradually building up with more forces, more capabilities. so we see armored units wincy artillery. we see a comma to the troops. of course, that sends a message that there is a real risk for a new ah, on conflict in europe. but that's exactly why it is so important to engage in dialogue. jonah hell has more details. 10 stolen bugs, comments throughout that press conference, very much pointed to the substance of the foreign ministers meeting a short while before which was an opportunity, of course, for them to talk about russia and ukraine, but principally to align their positions against what one of them, the british foreign secretary list trust gold rushes unacceptable aggression towards ukraine, so that the secretary general could come out afterwards of project this sense of sort of bending unity strength and determination by native