archives and steal stuff from the national archives. so they've got like a cold case squad on the heist of harry truman's bedazzled sword and dagger collection. it's also the same entity that's on the hunt to this day for a ring that looks just like this one. a ring, which appears to be be lifted from the lbj collection of the national archives. it's a costar academy ring given as a gift in 1964 the jam it is a yellow sapphire and it's got -- as you can see on the right side of the screen there and importantly the identifying feature that they're looking for is that it's got an lbj engraved. it is missing. presumed stolen. if you find it somewhere call the investigators of the national archives they're looking for it in they won it back. someone also somehow lifted this very nice portrait of fdr, stolen from the national archives. if you have seen this portrait, if you know where it is called the investigators at the national archives they want it back and they're actively looking for a. in 2002, a guy was sentenced to prison for steali

archives and steal stuff from the national archives. so they've got like a cold case squad t on the heist of harry truman's bedazzled sword and dagger collection. it's also the same entity that's on the hunt to this day for a ring that looks just like this one. a ring which appears to have been lifted from the lbj collection at the national archives, it's a coast guard academy ring that was given to him as aad gift in 1964, the ge in it is a yellow fire, with a shift engraved on the side on the right-hand side of the screen there, importantly, the identifying feature they're really looking t for is this haa big lbj engraved inside the ring. it is missing. it was stolen. if you find someone, call the investigators at the national archives. they areig looking for it and ty want it back. someone also somehow lifted this actually very nice portrait of fdr. stolen from the national archives. somehow. if you have seen this portrait, you know wherear it is. call the investigators at the national archives. they want itti back. and theye are act

senate and national archives. fortunately federal investigators are looking into it but shouldn't the state's prosecutor have at least a passing interest in such a blatant scheme carried out right under his nose? he continue, quote, it seems painfully clear that you can't be both the attorney general of arizona in charge of investigating all aspects of the 2020 election and a u.s. senate candidate who is chasing trump's endorsement. at least you shouldn't be. the conflict of interest is oh, so clearly everybody department in the latest fundraising plea. his hearst may lie with trump but his obligation remains to the people of arizona. he should resign. that's from the arizona republic today. calls for the arizona attorney general to resign if among other things he's not going to prosecute the state's fake electors. i'm not close enough to arizona politics to know about the likelihood of any resignation here. i'm guessing that's not going to happen but if you're wondering why there is a need for a federal investiga

senate in the national archives. fortunately, federal investigators are looking into it, but shouldn't the states prosecutor have at least a passing interest in such a blatant scheme carried out right under his nose? roberts continues, quote, it seems painfully clear that you can't be both the attorney general of arizona, in charge of investigating all aspects of the 2020 election, and a senate candidate who was chasing trump's endorsement. at least, you shouldn't be. the conflict of interest is oh so clearly evidence in brnovich 's latest fund raising plea. brnovich's heart may lie with trump, but his obligation remains to the people of arizona. he should resign. that's from the arizona republic today. calls for the arizona attorney general to resign if, among other things, he's not gonna prosecute the states fake electors. and i'm -- i'm not close enough to arizona politics of the likelihood of any resignation here, i'm guessing it's not gonna happen. but if you're wondering why there is a need for a federal invest

senate in the national archives. fortunately, federal investigators are looking into it, but shunned the states prosecutor have at least a passing interest in such a blatant scheme carried out right under his nose? roberts continues, quote, it seems painfully clear that you can't be both the attorney general of arizona, in charge of investigating all aspects of the 2020 election, and a senate candidate who was chasing trump's endorsement. at least, you shouldn't be. the conflict of interest is oh so clearly evidence in brnovich's latest fund raising plea. brnovich's heart may lie with trump, but his obligation remains to the people of arizona. he should resign. that's from the arizona republic today. calls for the arizona attorney general to resign if, among other things, he's not gonna prosecute the states fake electors. and i'm -- i'm not close enough to arizona politics of the likelihood of any resignation here, i'm guessing it's not gonna happen. but if you're wondering why there is a need for a federal investiga

in addition to what politico is reporting, the national archives confirms it is compiling documents on fake electoral college certificates from republicans in arizona, nevada, wisconsin, michigan, and georgia, who would have been trump's electors had he won. you are looking at video of some of these electors actually signing those certificates that claims they, the trump electors, were legitimate and qualified to cast their electoral college ballots for donald trump. here is the catch. they were not. all five of those states were won by president biden. and still more evidence that these false claims of fraud weren't just words but for some a call to action. today the fbi arrested a man who made numerous threats to elections officials in georgia. according to an affidavit, chad stark of texas posted on craigslist a year ago, georgia patriots, it is time to kill. one of many comments. this is the first charges brought by the doj's newly formed election threats task force. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell. nbc news justice correspondent pete willia

we received notification from the national archives as you pointed out. and saying that this alternate false slate of electors had been submitted. we, of course, lived through the -- what you showedier, because the attorney general and i were in the state capitol when the -- the false slate of the electors we'll say showed up outside. and amidst all of that there were a lot of security concerns and threats percolating as well. it was a very tense moment for all of us. and so in the midst of all that we were seeing this as yet another way in which the former president tried to impose his will over the will of the voters. and you know outside the law in a really unprecedented way and, just to play dumb here a little bit for a second, i think i know the answer to this, secretary benson, but tell me true. is this the sort of thing that's happened before in the state of michigan? is this something you've ever seen in your role as chief administrator in elections in the state? is this something that just looks weird to us from a national perspective but actuall

we received notification from the national archives as you pointed out. saying that this alternate false slate of electors had been submitted. we, of course, lived through what you showed earlier because both the attorney general and i were in the state capitol when the false slate of electors, we'll say, showed up outside. and amidst all of that there were a lot of security concerns and threats percolating as well. it was a very tense moment for all of us. and so in the midst of all that we were seeing this as yet another way in which the former president tried to impose his will over the will of the voters. and, you know, outside the law in a really unprecedented way and, again, turned it over to the attorney general's office, to attorney general nessel's office for further investigation at that point. and also, you know, we let the national archives know we had received it. but of course that it was not an accurate reflection of the electors awarded in our state. >> just to play dumb here a little bit for a second, i think i know the answer to this, se

the supreme court about the national archives. that, of course, has been adjudicated and reached its conclusion. and according to the letter, they want to know what ivanka trump knows about those outtakes. she may not know anything. when i talked to this former white house official that was there that day, this official was saying there were a limited number of people around trump dealing with this video. that appears to be very important. when that video comes out, that has the potential to be very explosive. if the public gets to see trump stumbling over whether or not to call off the mob and so on, i think that could really shape public opinion very negatively for the former president, even more so. >> if i could make one quick point about ivanka's possible testimony. many people know there is the marital privilege. there is no father/daughter, parent/child privilege. she can't say i'm not going to testify because he's my father. she may cite executive privilege because she was a white house adviser. however, the supreme court

i want to add one thing on the national archives. we know about four traunches of documents, about 750 pages. i am told there is a fifth and sixth traunch that is likely to be as many more documents. >> wow. >> so all together that's 1,500 pages at the national archive. it is going through the pipeline. will trump try to fight that? the supreme court has ruled if he fights it i'm told he's not going to win. but it looks like they're going to have 1,500 pages of documents from the national archives. >> i mean, the fact that if they have this text exchange about the person saying it's insane, there's no telling what anybody else -- it just sounds like there's going to be a lot of text messages they already have. >> correct. to your point they have had people from trump's inner circle who have voluntarily handed over text messages. they do not -- national archives is icing on the cake. they already have an incredible amount from the inner circle top white house advisers. donald trump cannot be happy. >> elliott, in georgia we've been re

they sent these to the national archives, the united states sentence. this is the same weird republican forgery scheme that was apparently being run in at least five states in what seems to be like a coordinated effort. and it was part of multiple investigations to attack the capitol and on january 6th. according to joscelyn benson, she and her staff have spoken to the january six investigation in congress, including about the forged election documents in her state. we know this by the public request files by the joint detroit news. and we know -- on this matter, the fake a master's suit ca shun has forged documents from republicans, according to a collector this is part of an ongoing in the state of election in the michigan. joining us state of michigan. now, are both joining joscelyn benson, us is now secretary state of joscelyn and -- attorney general. state secretary benson, general nestle. thank you both for being election cemetery benson here. i really i appreciate you both being. appreciate you both being here here. it's it's a coup to have a cre

i want to add one thing on the national archives. we know about four traunches of documents, about 750 pages. i am told there is a fifth and sixth tranche that is likely to be as many more documents. >> wow. >> so all together that's 1,500 pages at the national archives. it is going through the pipeline. will trump try to fight that? the supreme court has ruled if he fights it i'm told he's not going to win. but it looks like they're going to have 1,500 pages of documents from the national archives. >> i mean, the fact that if they have this text exchange about the person saying it's insane, there's no telling what anybody else -- it just sounds like there's going to be a lot of text messages they already have. >> correct. to your point they have had people from trump's inner circle who have voluntarily handed over text messages. they do not -- national archives is icing on the cake. they already have an incredible amount from the inner circle top white house advisers. donald trump cannot be happy. >> elliott, in georgia we've been r

they circulated drafts of fake certificates that were ultimately sent to the national archives. behind the scenes, giuliani and trump campaign officials, actively coriaographed the process. "washington post" has this important new piece of news. quote, vice president pence's chief of staff, mark schwartz, tell said the post that rudy giuliani and his associates forwarded to pence's office letters arguing the trump electors should be recognized in these states that biden had in fact won. mr. short and pence's legal team reviewed the unslised letters but not persuaded to accept trump's electors, who had not been certified by their states. so, rudy giuliani and associates directly conveyed to vice president pence and his staff that pence should count the fake ones. should open the forged, fake elector counts and count those instead of the real ones, when it came time to tally up the electoral college results january 6th. and per his reporting, giuliani led the effort, at a nuts and bolts level, to create the fake elector states in the first place, including distributing the drafts

the national archives is the place that the certificates get sent. it's just getting sent from people who didn't actually win. now in some cases the documents were signed by a top state republican party official, this was not like a freelance group or wackos. so even though this may sound like flailing or almost again, comical attempts of forging appearance signature, sending fake documents within the national archives won't notice. a look, we got this from arizona. it was actually part of a very coordinated plan by donald trump and his allies. they knew full well that these documents were hard have legitimate. one might even say fraudulent. but it's congressman jamie raskin, a member of the january six committee told the new york times quote, the phony electors were part of a plan to create chaos on january six, as a pretext for a contingent election. they were an effort to create the illusion of contested state results in order to trigger the second part of the plan, to give mike pence an excuse to reject the electors. stop the certification and ke

they sent them to the congress, to the national archives. nicholas reports at politico.cot part of the reason we know is that the national archives last december forwarded the arizona forgeries to the secretary of state in arizona, quote, for orh your awareness. national archives making clear they were not planning to act on these forged documents, but the secretary of state should know they exist. the secretary of state of arizona, katy hopps, responded at least in part by sending a cease and desist letter to the republican fake electors telling them they at least really truly needed to stop using the official state seal. now, interestingly, we don't know what ultimately became of the forged documents drawn up by the republicans in michigan. we don't know of any response to them, for example, from the oc national archives. we also don't know if they are facing calls for their prosecution the way their neighboring republicans are in wisconsin right next door where they tried the exact same stunt, apparently using the exact same language, fon

it's not like there is a, you know, national archives police who go up and are scooping up all these documents. it's really just up to mark meadows and all these people i guess to -- to hand over their records. is it -- for all we know, they didn't? >> right. look. mark meadows i will say -- i would put him in a separate category, anderson, because he did turn over a bunch of documents before he then decided he wasn't cooperating with the committee, right after he published this this tell-all book about his former boss. so he's in a different group. but he did turn over a bunch of things. however, you are right. a lot of this is the honor system. the white house is certainly not the only governmental entity i have ever covered where a lot of people use encrypted apps and try to keep their comms off of official lines but this is certainly the most significant and highest office in the land and we are talking of an event of national significance, where there is just unlikely -- as much work has gone into the january 6th committee and the report they are planning on putting out, it is s

coming up, the january 6th committee now has all the documents from the national archives that former president trump spent months trying to clock. what the committee is hoping to uncover from them next. >>> also a quick programming note, you know her face, but hollywood icon marilyn monroe was so much more as captured in a new cnn original series "reframed: marilyn monroe." >> her third marriage had ended in divorce and it was a very bleak period. >> after the divorce she has a very bad nervous breakdown and her psychiatrist felt that she needed to be put in a hospital to be revitalized and taken off drugs. so marilyn voluntarily went to a hospital thinking basically that she was getting some therapy and some care. >> imagine being in the early '60s, you are a woman, you are one of the most famous and recognizable people on the planet. i think her decision to ask for help showed a tremendous strength and self-awareness within her. the problem, of course, is sometimes the help you get is not the help you need. >> all right. the original series airs tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. right he

and they apparently sent them into the national archives and to the congress. as if they were the real electors. so, we reported on that last month, just before christmas. and on the still live question in wisconsin as to whether or not those ten republicans who signed their names to those forged documents, whether they could actually be prosecuted for forgery. for having signed their names to this document. impersonating real electors. still an open question in wisconsin. it's an open question before the state election board. potentially before the milwaukee state district attorney. but that was reported right before christmas. but now look at this, political reporter, nicholas woo, had the really good idea to file public records request in multiple states asking to see what officials in those states had handed over to the january six investigation. if you think about this from an investigative point of view, this makes sense. right? we know that the january six investigation is looking at what happened in washington. the lead up to the attack on the capital o

they sent them to the congress, to the national archives. nicholas reports at politico.com part of the reason we know is that the national archives last december forwarded the arizona fortunately reese to the secretary of state in arizona, quote, for your awareness. national archives making clear they were not planning to act on the forged documents but the secretary of state should know they exist. the secretary of state of arizona responded at least in part by sending a cease and desist letter to the republican fake electors telling them they at least really truly needed to stop using the official state seal. now, interestingly, we don't know what ultimately became of the forged documents drawn up by the republicans in michigan. we don't know of any response to them, for example, from the national archives. we also don't know if they are facing calls for their prosecution the way their neighboring republicans are in wisconsin right next door where they tried the exact same stunt, apparently using the exact same language, fopt, and formatti

these are false -- falsified forged documents that were going to congress and the national archives to try to flip an election. to me it is monre times more dangerous than the false documents climb. >> so then if it is a crime, it is a year since they've done this. why haven't the people who were on these fake slates of electors and the people who led this scheme been indicted? >> well, first of all, investigations take time. they very well may be under investigation right now. we don't know exactly who is being talked to behind closed doors. but of course, i agree with elie, that submitting false documents is a crime but you have to knowingly doing. and i imagine they're trying to build evidence to ensure they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this was a knowing and willful effort to deceive, to create a false document in order to steal the election. >>elly, for people who have lost track of the trump legal woes this week, we have a graphic to explain all that has happened this week and it is a lot. the atlanta attorney general has the phone call and then the new york attorne

. >> the 8 news iteam recently reported the national archives received documentation from the nevada gop certifying the state's six electoral votes for former president donald trump even though president joe biden won. here's the governor weighing in. >> well, if they send fraudulent or fake electoral votes in, absolutely. it's up to theto attorney gener to decide what he's going to do ine' terms of filing charges. our democracy is at stake. you can't have people filing false reports and fake certifications and what not. >> they sent frad lent or fake electors, absolutely. was committed. that's nevada's governor speaking d.today. so far the attorney general in nevada has put out a statement saying he's not confirming or denying if any state investigation is active on this matter, but he's assured the public his office is aware of it and it's, quote, on our radar. >>> look in nevada. this> was the front page of th "las vegas sun" today. legal line crossed. nevada's gop faux electors. look at this on the front page of the "detroit free press." a.g. says fake electors. she hopes they pr

it's not like there is a, you know, national archives police who go up and are scooping up all these documents. it's really just up to mark meadows and all these people i guess to -- to hand over their records. is it -- for all we know, they didn't? >> right. look. mark meadows i will say -- i would put him in a separate category, anderson, because he did turn over a bunch of documents before he then decided he wasn't cooperating with the committee right after he published this this tell-all book about his former boss but he did turn over a bunch of things. however, you are right. a lot of this is honor system. the white house is certainly not the only governmental entity i have covered where a lot of people use encrypted apps and try to keep their comes off official lines but this is certainly most significant and highest office in the land and we are talking of an event of national significance, where there is unlikely -- as much work has gone into the january 6th committee and the report they are planning on putting out, it is still not going to be a complete picture. >> jeff, obv

they actually sent it into congress, they sent it into the national archives. they tried to pass it off as an official document, as if they were the real electors, and they were casting wisconsin's electoral votes, and they were casting them for trump and pence. so we talked about that forged document from wisconsin on the show last month. and we did that in the context of this sort of ongoing open question in wisconsin as to whether or not anybody's going to get in trouble for that. whether or not the state election board or in fact state prosecutors in wisconsin are going to signers of that fake document, potentially on forgery charges. so that is sort of where this story started for us. and, boy, did we hear from you, the viewers, on this story. when we started covering it. we got a lot of feedback, a lot of people expressing concerns about how serious this seemed to be. and, you know, it's a big story. you know? wisconsin republicans taking the whole election denial thing one step beyond. actually sending the national archives and congress a forged document

you can't put fake documents in the national archives. our national repository is reserved only for the founding fathers' secret treasure maps. basically, a group of maga morons in michigan and arizona forged certificates to trick the national archives into declaring their guy the winner. so they were attempting a coup via fake i.d. (as bouncer) says here your name is 'ida realprez,' looks good. give him the nuclear codes. lav lav no surprise, the national archives saw right through the fake documents. but the maga fraudsters tried their best. the arizona letter featured a state seal in an attempt to appear as if it was an official document. and it takes a skilled forger to replicate their state seal: an old man fighting a rattlesnake over an arizona iced tea. turns out, republicans are going crazy from sea to shining sea. case in point indiana state senator and chem teacher watching you eat that apple from across the quad, scott baldwin. in december, baldwin introduced a bill that would prohibit schools from teaching a variety of concept

so we were first notified in december 2020 by the national archives that there was a second document that was not real, it was fake, and it was attempting to submit an alternate slate of pro trump electors illegally to the national archives. we referred the matter to the attorney general, and it really illustrates the moment that we were in, what trying to overturn democracy looked like. and guarding democracy looked like. there were so many attempts where we had to go to the courts, and other -- look at all other avenues to block against these, you know, multiple fronts that we were defending against of people using anything, all based on lies, to overturn valid accurate election results. >> a fake slate of electors. you say illegally submitted here. how so? and did you receive any indication that this is being investigated further? >> well, the michigan attorney general is investigating. now there was no state seal, no fake signatures on the documents, so there wasn't a clear forgery, but federal law does include specific provisions for how electors are chosen and this group obviou

the national archives releasing the trove of information after the supreme court cleared the way for the documents to be release the to the committee. throwing the former president's claims of executive privilege out the door. the documents will reveal the inner workings after the insurrection and days after and not hard to see why he tried to keep them from public scrutiny. politico is reporting details on documents the committee is reviewing including a draft of an executive order dated december 16th, 2020 directing the defense secretary to seize voting machines. a member of the committee reacting reporting just a short time ago. >> it's incredibly concerning. you know, if this is in fact a verifiable document that was drafted by the president's inner circle and the department of defense and looking at this very closely from the committee at this point, you know, still determining if that reporting is accurate but it is certainly very concerning. >> the trump allies were plotting with him inside the oval office two days later on december 18th. sydney powell urging trump not only to

, with the archivists this weekend. >> let's talk more about the national archive documents that you're receiving. we know there are schedules, call logs, hand written notes from administration members like mark meadows. as you comb through them, what's standing out so far the most? >> well, some of the material that has been sent over is, you know, routine and not of particular note. some may be more important. as i mentioned, there is a lot more information that we expect in the days and weeks to come. not all of it documents. some of it would be, we believe, videos and other sorts of material. so we are, you know, poring through volumes and volumes of information. meanwhile, having depositions practically every work day, multiple depositions at the same time. the members of the committee are splitting up so we can cover multiple depositions at once. we're hard at work. >> have you seen this draft executive order about seizing voting machines that's been making headlines over the last few days? has that been part of the documents handed over and have you been able to see it for yourse

actually sending the national archives and congress a forged document. where they pretended to be the states real electors, when they were not. it is a fascinating story and i understand why a lot of our viewers were disturbed by and contacted us about it. that was where we were last week. last night, thanks to reporting from politico.com. reporter nicholas woo. we were able to show you additional forgeries from additional states. turns out, it was not just wisconsin. republicans in michigan and republicans in arizona also created forged documents after the election. where they try to pass themselves off as the real electors for those states. when in fact, they were not the real electors for those states. and again, they didn't just brief pair those documents for home scrapbooking on how i wish the election had gone. they prepared these documents, made them look as official as possible. they cited u.s. law. they proclaimed themselves, quote officially to beat the legal representatives of the state. and they sent these things into the government. to be co

then you have this, which is just one of the documents from the national archives. have you learned anything about what's in the hundreds of other documents the committee is receiving now? is there any indication these documents might become public at some point? >> they'll definitely become public at some point. i think when is the key issue. so when the supreme court handed its decision down on the national archives case and rejected trump's effort to block their release to the committee, that night the national archives transmitted about four documents to the select committee, and those included a couple of notes and draft tweets. the committee got the rest of the documents that trump was trying to withhold. it sounds like the national archives has completed its transmission of all the document s. the documents are the documents trump wanted to hide. they're in the files of people like kayleigh mcenany, the fact that trump went to such great lengths to hide these would suggest the former president thinks these are particularly incriminating because trump voluntar

the committee wants those outtakes for the national archives. will they have a problem getting them now that the supreme court says the national archives can hand things over? >> unless they've been destroyed they shouldn't, and there's no indication from the archival response in the litigation there's anything amiss with this material than is available. they haven't reported it's not in the inventory as requested. i think this will be forthcoming. i think these will be very telling to see what he had to say that he couldn't sell to even his staff. >> i find it interesting, andrew, because wouldn't that be something the folks around you, the handlers, the press people would write for you and the first thing you would say is leave the capitol. but apparently, i guess, he was ad-libbing and, you know -- >> i mean, don, how often have we ever seen this president take advice from lawyers, from staff members, from anyone else. it doesn't surprise me they were just like, oh, gosh, hit record and let's see what happens. i'm sure there were a number of

apparently, those are in the category of documents that be moved from the national archives into the custody of the committee? >> well, that's our request. and we, you know, if they exist, we will get them. i do think it will give insight into what the president was doing as rioters were terrorizing the capitol and trying to overturn the government. what was the president doing? how was he fulfilling his oath to protect and defend the constitution? we have had testimony on this from people in his inner circle, but i think this will augment our understanding of that, and i'm looking forward to getting this information, getting the truth out the door. >> all right. congresswoman zoe lofgren, thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> anytime. >>> don't go anywhere. we've got eisan to the senate floor where democrats are fighting what could be their last battle on the voting rights bill. they have been debating all day. we have mark elias and eric holder here to talk about the implications of this vote and what it means if it fails just ahead. we'll be right back. ead. ead. we'll be rig

they sent it in to congress, to the national archives. they tried to pass it off as an official document, as if they were the real electors, and they were casting wisconsin's electoral votes, and they were casting them for trump and pence. so we talked about that forged document from wisconsin on the show last month. we did that in the context of this ongoing open question in wisconsin as to whether or not anybody will get in trouble for that. whether or not the state election board or state prosecutors will pursue the signers of that fake document, potentially on forgery charges. so that is sort of where this story started for us. and, boy, did we hear from you, the viewers, on this story. we got a lot of feedback, a lot of people expressing concerns about how serious this seemed to be. and, you know, it's a big story. you know? wisconsin republicans taking the whole election denial thing one step beyond. actually sending the national archives and congress a forged document, it's a fascinating story. and i understand why a lot of our vie

. >> you mentioned national archives, why do you think that information in particular may be so relevant? >> well, it has everything. it's got the call logs, who called in, who visited, it's got the rough drafts of comments that he made. we understand that there were several videos made, you know, they have the outtakes. so we want to see, give us an insight into what the former president thought he was doing during those 187 minutes when he failed to intervene. >> i'm joined now by a former archivist at the national archives, john carlin who teach at kansas state university and previously served as the governor of that state. appreciate you joining us. you told the daily beast referring to the former president's legal battle, given how frantic they are there are things in those records that are going to make real trouble, i'm talking about prison time. why do you say that? what makes you believe that there could be some criminal exposure in those records? >> i base it quite frankly on the fact that the president is spending a lot of time, energy and actual money lawyers trying to keep i

um, you know, the idea -- the committee says -- the nation archives has that, they are seeking it. we now know as a result of the supreme court, they are likely to get it. i -- i think watching those tapes in which his aides are trying to get him to condemn what's going on and from all accounts, he is resisting. um, that's gonna be politically damaging. there is no question about that. >> jeffrey, i've got to -- >> yeah. >> yeah. i got to get to the break but i see your smirk and i want to know what it's about. >> well, no, i -- i mean, i -- i think -- as we learn about the january 6th investigation, there are two parts of it that are central. one is the whole effort to coerce mike pence into betraying his oath and betraying the constitution. also, the three hours between the start of the riot and when the president finally issues that sort of half-hearted request, we love you by please stop. ivanka trump is central to both parts of that investigation, and we'll see if they ever get her testimony. >> all right. michael, jeffrey, thank you very much. i appreciate it. >>> she is a ri

as you know, this was one of the first requests that we made as a committee to the national archives. we think it is important to our investigation to have this information. and we are glad that the supreme court agreed with us today. >> brennan: is this the last piece of the puzzle here? how does this affect your timeline for holding public hearings, as you said, you want to begin those in the spring? >> well, to be honest with you, we'll review the documents. we'll see what those documents present to us in terms of direction. we'll see if that information leads us to additional individuals to make requests. but it is so significant to our investigation to the documents and executive privilege and other things, obviously, which had no bearing, and we're just happy for the supreme court's decision. we'll look forward to reviewing it. and based on the review, we'll take next steps. >> brennan: and the spring is still the plan for public hearing? >> absolutely. to be honest with you, as you know, we're reviewing thousands of pages of documents, hundreds of witnesses. it is taking a good

the fake electors trying to send the documents not just to congress but the national archives not subtle about it but the fact that the committee now has these written communications from meadows himself especially saying that they have a team on it shows that there was more going on behind the scenes that we wouldn't have known about if this committee's investigation weren't under way and this chapter of the story of january 6 highlights the impact that the committee is having thus far because when you have a public discussion about these documents that were private until they were subpoenaed, it results in significant pressure on the justice department to take issues like these seriously. lisa monaco, the second in command at doj making brief cryptic comments regarding the investigation into this topic referenced the fact that doj received referrals suggesting perhaps the department wouldn't necessarily have opened an investigation. investigations that aren't run out of doj from states attorney generals offices can result in pressure on doj. doj doesn't like or enjoy pressure but it ca

they are in the category of documents that will be moved to the national archives -- >> well that's our requests, and they exist, we will get them. i do think with insight into what the president was doing as a rioters were terrorizing the capitol and the government, what was the president doing? how is he fulfilling this oath to protect and defend the constitution? we've had testimony on this from people in his inner circle, but i think this will augment our understanding of that. and i'm looking forward to getting this information, getting the truth out the door congresswoman zoloft minh. thank you for your time, i appreciate it. >> anytime. >> don't go anywhere we got eyes on the senate floor, where democrats are fighting with their could be their last battle on the voting rights bill. they've been debating all day. we have voting rights -- and former u.s. attorney, eric holder, here to talk about the implications of this vote. what if it fails, and what that means? just ahead, we are back. i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. i

i was also writing to d eisenhower for the national archives which is ultimate sacrifice that i ever married for a job for archives. i lived in a hotel for 11 months i arrived on pearl harbor day in 1989 which is in retrospect seems appropriate and i was there until the birthday and i left on october 15 in between i made a few dashing trips back i was in abilene. it is a very small town in the middle of nowhere. >> kansas. >> with a profound sense, 6000 people and i've never been there of costs consciousness a wonderful coworker and there were two restaurants in town and its upscale as much as the surrounding. >> i took the staff periodically. widow book for woodward wilson on december 28 which people attended but any of it i would find excuses and take people to bunch because remember i was the outsider and people notice my being there. and at the same time really resilient and the 14th of october. we put 40 events together including content on race relation. herbert brought no and for members came together in abilene kansas to relive that experience. but anyway the coworker one day

the national archives says it has provided the records to the house select committee. they are asking to overturn the state's election results. like when he asked a republican state official to find votes. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> it's, of course, just one of the chapters in this story trump and his allies lied over and over claims maggive fraud, trump. , pressured the justice department to back up those lies. he and others pressured states not to certify election results. his allies urged state legislatures to overturn states biden won and insert illegitimate public electors and pressured then vice president mike pence to overturn results january 6th. that's not all. conservative lawyers created strategy memos and supporters to fight like hell and march to the capitol, which, of course, we know that was before the siege that day. they promoted the lie of the stop the steal campaign. they delayed the formal transition process at the gsa. and they considered having federal agents seize voting machi

the national archives is about to hand over some of donald trump's white house records to the january 6th panel. it is just four pages, but donald trump is still trying to stop it from happening. we're going to explain why these pages are being released while others, hundreds of others, are not. the committee is also subpoenaing more trump allies. this time trump lawyers rudy giuliani and jenna ellis and sidney powell who helped try to overturn the 2020 election, as well as former trump campaign adviser boris epshteyn. committee chairman bennie thompson said these were four individuals who had direct contact with the former president about steps to stop the counting of electoral votes. joining me now is nbc news investigations correspondent tom winter, "washington post" national political reporter and msnbc contributor carol leonnig, and former house impeachment inquiry majority counsel and msnbc legal analyst daniel goldman. so tom, letitia james' investigation, she wants to talk to don jr., she wants to talk to ivanka. why those two in connection to this civil probe? >> because thos

he was leading effort to have bogus electors send in fake certificates to the national archives falsely claiming trump won seven battleground states. giuliani seems to have free time on his hands these days as he appears to be selling autographed 9/11 t-shirts for $911. rudy never forgets how to make a buck. >>> some on the far right apparently want you to forget the sacrifices made by john lewis and other icons of the civil rights movement. during their epic struggle for equal access to the ballot box in the 1960s, states like florida are attempting to limit discussions of race in public schools, barring instruction that makes students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin. are they allowed to teach kids about what happened to john lewis, or might that hurt their feelings? well, this is what happened to john lewis, on march 7th, 1965 when he and other civil rights leaders marched across the edmund pettus bridge in alabama. they were beaten by police simply because they believed in someth

at least those that survived are maintained at our national archives. the prosecutors were after all technically government employees. i spent a lot of my time ever since reviewing those files. and that's a bit about what i'm going to talk to you tonight. but it's been 50 years. since the scandal and the backstory is rather complex. so we're going to approach this in two ways. i'm going to give you my own one minute summary, and then i'm going to expand a little bit on that. nixon was defeated. but it turns out the prosecutors cheated. they also left a paper trail. and that's what i've been spending in the past few years uncovering. it's simply astonishing. what they committed to writing. and their documents change everything we've been told about watergate. they met secretly with watergate trial judges. they suppressed evidence that was favorable to the defendants. they told outright lies to grand jurors and to congressional committees alike. and none of this was pursued by the press by the so-called investigative reporters. there were clear leads at t

records signed, sealed delivered to the national archives as if all they needed to do was print them up and they could shape their own reality and it would be true. really indicative of the times we're living in like this one up on your screen from arizona signed by those fake electors including arizona representative jake hoffman who seemed to have an awful lot of trouble recently explaining just how he got involved. >> so in unprecedented times unprecedented action has occurred. there's no case law, there's no precedent that exists as to whether or not an election that is currently being litigated in the courts has due standing, which is why we felt it appropriate to provide congress and the vice president with dueling opinions. >> did you have direction from anybody in doing this? was it you yourself doing this or did someone give you advice on the manner in which you could do it? >> i was simply one of the electors. i'm not in charge of the electors -- >> how did you hear about the plan? >> you would need to ask the party chair that question. >> but you're the person who received

i was also writing to d eisenhower for the national archives which is ultimate sacrifice that i ever married for a job for archives. i lived in a hotel for 11 months i arrived on pearl harbor day in 1989 which is in retrospect seems appropriate and i was there until the birthday and i left on october 15 in between i made a few dashing trips back i was in abilene. it is a very small town in the middle of nowhere. >> kansas. >> with a profound sense, 6000 people and i've never been there of costs consciousness a wonderful coworker and there were two restaurants in town and its upscale as much as the surrounding. >> i took the staff periodically. widow book for woodward wilson on december 28 which people attended but any of it i would find excuses and take people to bunch because remember i was the outsider and people notice my being there. and at the same time really resilient and the 14th of october. we put 40 events together including content on race relation. herbert brought no and for members came together in abilene kansas to relive that experience. but anyway the coworker one day