oh, rudy, you've done it again!" also, i would just like to circle back and emphasize once again that this man is terrible at impressions >> one time bill clinton asked me, "what's this guy romney like?" you know what i told him he's our al gore >> all right, rudy >> mueller saying, "obstruction of justice." you cut everything out "obstruction of justice. which the guy will say, "say 'obstruction of justice.'" "obstruction of justice. show this to the queen of england. she said, "you did a wonderful job on september 11th. how many fingers have i got up i'm spartacus. i am spartacus >> seth: man, this "snl" audition sucks [ laughter ] if lorne ever saw impressions that bad, he'd probably say, "well, he could do 'update.' [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause was that 50 years ago? jesus. [ laughter ] rudy's impression of the queen sounds exactly like his impression of joe pesci, which sounds exactly like his impression of kirk douglas at least i think he's doing a kirk douglas impression. judging from his voice, maybe ru

rudy giuliani. or were on the receiving ends of his emails. spoke with sydney powell, when she gave her slightly cuckoo for cocoa puffs claim. that somehow had interfered in the election by machines designed by hugo chavez. these circles were closing, and where committee has information on with these four people saw, did, and said. and now they want to ask them point blank, did you dispute this? is this how it went down? i also think another thing that is really important, these individuals were pushing things that were so clearly fraudulent. and so, i would echo with daniel said, jenna alice was pushing the idea that the constitution barred pence from opening the envelope. well, jenna ellis doesn't have any constitutional law expeence, as we have learned in the last several months. she fabricated some of her experience with constitutional law. sydney powell we have already discussed, the venezuela issue. boris, epstein, rudy giuliani, they were on a podcast with bannon. forgive me, let me be clear,

all reporting on this says some version of this, rudy giuliani and company, rudy giuliani and associates, or rudy giuliani and others from the campaign. well, who else? well, we've got direct evidence, evidence on tape, that other people at the trump campaign were involved in trying to get state legislators -- state legislatures to pretend the fake electors were real torque give some perceived legitimacy at the state level that these were real when it came time for mike pence to count the forged elect ter slates thanks to a small group i michigan, the michigan information and research service, mirs, which focuses on covering the michigan state capital. god bless mirs in michigan because we can hear all of this alleged conspiracy out loud as it happened on tape. listen. >> hi, representative -- my name is angela mccallum and i'm calling from trump campaign headquarters in washington, d.c. i know you're very busy, but i did want to personally reach out to you t on behalf of the president as you've got an opportunity toe be a crucial pt of his re-election. we just wanted to make sure you kn

rudy giuliani, sidney powell and jenna ellis. the panel also sent a subpoena to boris epshteyn. the committee's letter to giuliani says between mid-november 2020 and january 6th, 2021, and thereafter, you actively promoted claims of election fraud an behalf of former president trump and sought to convince state legislatures to take steps to overturn the election results. the panel says sidney powell and jenna ellis also pushed claims of election flawed. for boris epshteyn, committee he reportedly spoke with trump on the morning of january 6th about options to delay the certification of the 2020 election results. the panel says he reportedly attended meetings at the willard hotel where trump allies reportedly led a war room on efforts to overturn joe biden's win. now, in case you have forgottens baseless fraud allegations and conspiracy theories the trump legal team put forward as they tried to keep biden from the presidency, here is a little reminder. >> it was a plan from a centralized place to execute these various acts of voter fraud, specifically focused on big cities and sp

in addition issuing subpoenas to rudy giuliani and three other trump associates. i want to bring in now cnn's senior legal analyst elle honing, and kim waly, a professor at the baltimore school of law. kim, huge subpoena news. january 6th committee subpoenaed and obtained eric trump and kimberley guilfoyle's phone records and issued subpoenas of trump's former top lawyers including rudy giuliani. so taking it all together we're getting close to the top here, don't you think? >> i do think, don. and what's critical is really what's happened last week with the sedition conspiracy charge against some of the insurrectionists. and that's because a conspiracy here requires a meeting of the minds. it's that meeting of the minds that's very hard to prove. we saw this in the first impeachment, you know, there's a conspiracy, there's a collusion. the fact the justice department is now working on this idea there was an agreement. an agreement to do what? to overturn an election, that's illegal. you don't have to succeed to actually be guilty of conspiracy, but there's two el

. >>> and setting sights on rudy giuliani. the former trump lawyer is an integral part of the investigation. rudy giuliani's camp is firing back. welcome to viewers in the united states and around the world. i am wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin tonight with president biden's new call to action on voting rights as he faces growing pressure from fellow democrats to make election reform a top priority. let's go to our chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins. he spoke in georgia and he spoke very strongly. >> reporter: he did. wolf, this is a symbolic trip for president biden, not only visited with martin luther king jr.'s family, laid a wreath, and went onto make a call to change the filibuster to get voting rights legislation passed. what voting rights activists want to know is whether or not calls that the president made today can translate into action on capitol hill. with an uphill battle ahead, president biden making a push for voting rights tonight. >> i will not yield, i will not fledge.

in addition issuing subpoenas to rudy giuliani and three other trump associates. i want to bring in cnn's senior legal analyst elie honig, and kim wehle. good evening to both of you. kim, huge subpoena news. the january 6th committee subpoenaed and obtained eric trump and kimberly guilfoyle's phone records, and they issued new subpoenas of trump's top lawyers and advisers, including rudy giuliani. so taking it all together, we're getting close to the top here, don't you think? >> i do think, don, and what's critical is really what's happened last week with the sedition conspiracy charge against some of the insurrectionists. and that's because a conspiracy here requires a meeting of the minds. it's that meeting of the minds that's very hard to prove. we saw this in the first impeachment, you know. the fact that the justice department is now working on this idea that there was an agreement, an agreement to do what? to overturn an election. that's illegal. you don't have to succeed to actually bring -- to be guilty of conconspiracy. but there's two elements of the co

if you're the committee, you should be looking directly at rudy giuliani. >> rudy giuliani hasn't seemed very bound by rules lately, and so my guess is he won't comply, and then what does the committee do? >> i think there's a 0% chance rudy giuliani does not comply. there's two ways he can do that. he can take the 5th, he's legally entitled to do that. he's under investigation by the district of new york. i don't think it's likely he'll do that because it looks so bad. his other option is say no thank you and defy the committee. in that case, the impetus goes back to the committee. will they follow up by formal invitation with a subpoena. if he defies the subpoena, will they hold him in contempt, and turn him over to doj for a second round. it will be a test of how serious and determined the committee is. >> giuliani was the personal attorney of sorts for the former president. is there a complication that's presented by attorney/client privilege. >> it's important that people understand this. we hear this phrase, attorney/client privilege. that doesn't mean anything an attorney and clie

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rudy giuliani and associates or others from the campaign. well, who else? well, we've got direct evidence, evidence on tape that other people at the trump campaign were involved in trying to get state legislatures to pretend the fake electors were real. to give some perceived legitimacy to the fake electors, when it came time in the plot to count the slats instead of the real ones. we have evidence on tape, thanks to a small news service in michigan. -michigan information and research service. which focuses just on covering the michigan state capitol. god bless mirs news in michigan. because thanks to them, we all can hear this part of the alleged federal criminal conspiracy out loud, as it happened on tape. listen. >> hi, representative, my name is angela mccallum. i'm call frumg trump campaign head quarters in washington d.c. i know you're very busy but i did want to reach out to you on behalf of the president as you have an opportunity to be a crucial part of his re-election. we just wanted to make sure you knew how you could be helpful in insuring that

what is rudy giuliani doing here? he's overseeing the creation of fake documents to try to steal an election that gets submitted to the national archives. so again, i think this is something the committee needs to focus on and potentially prosecutors as well. >> and you know, the georgia -- the fulton county georgia district attorney has requested a special grand jury to gather evidence, compel witnesses to look at trump's attempts to overturn the election results in that state and the new york attorney general's office says it has identified numerous, quote, misleading statements and omissions in the trump organization financial statements between those two investigations. what do you think about all this? which investigation should trump be more worried about, do you think? >> i think it's much more likely that we see something out of the new york attorney general's office, but i think what that's likely to be is a civil complaint, a lawsuit seeking money damages. i think letitia james, the attorney general, her sta

and the accountability is starting to come for rudy giuliani in tangible ways. he has now had his law license suspended. he has been sued for big money by dominion and some of the other voting companies. and most worrisome, he is under criminal investigation by the u.s. department of justice, by the southern district of new york, the same office he used to work at decades later i worked at. this is one more thing for rudy giuliani that he is going to have to contend with. will he ultimately testify? i think it is highly, highly unlikely but the committee is absolutely right to put pressure on him because he was a central player behind this whole lie of election fraud. >> so, norm, when people hear this, they say okay, kimberly guilfoyle -- important and engaged to the former president's son. and the other son is also on this list. but when you see those names -- the first thing many of us noticed, norm, is that names are not ivanka trump, jared kushner, or donald trump jr. is it not going to be them? or is it not, yet, them? >> it's not yet them. erin, the -- th

there's a picture of him whispering something to rudy giuliani. it raises all sorts of questions about his involvement in that infamous legal crew. the question going forward of the legal strategy that trump takes as well as legal strategy these four new subpoena targets take is something that we're going to keep a close eye on. >> jeremy, what are your thoughts and questions as you digest today's bombshell from the 1-6 committee? >> well, i want to understand those three concentric rings that jamie laid out. riotest, coup plotters. the more we learn, the more it informs what legal strategies need to be done to harden the law, to improve the law so this doesn't happen again. >> chuck, same question to you. what are you looking at in this batch of subpoenas as the dust settles on them this hour? >> not surprising that the committee would want to speak to them. i want to give some perspective here. in any investigation, i spent a long time as a federal prosecutor, nicolle, you never get everything you want, all the documents you want. maybe some com

the da wants to look at rudy giuliani, lindsey graham and others. and remember the then president himself on tape telling georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger exactly how many votes he wants him to in his words find, 11,780. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> not like putting it right out there, just saying it out loud. who knows what would have happened if it hadn't been for election officials like raffensperger standing their ground. >> the people of georgia are angry. the people of the country are angry, and there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you've recalculated because the 2,236 in absentee ballots, i mean they're all exact numbers that were done by accounting firms, law firms, et cetera. and even if you cut them in half, cut them in half, cut them in half again it's more votes than we do need. >> mr. president, the challenge you have is that the data you have is wrong. >> can you believe we lived through that? that was

rudy giuliani, sydney powell and jenna ellis. the panel also sent a subpoena to former trump campaign advisor, bush epstein. the committee's letter to giuliani says that quote, between mid november 2020 and january six 2021, and thereafter, you actively promoted claims of election fraud on behalf of former president trump and sought to convince state legislators to take steps to overturn the election result. and quote. the panel says that sydney powell and jenna ellis also actively pushing claims of election fraud. as for boris epstein, the committee says that he

it turns out it was rudy. rudy giuliani and associates directly conveyed to mike pence and his staff that pence should count the fake ones when it came time to tally up the electoral college results on january 6th. it wasn't one state. it wasn't three states where they did this. it was at least five states where we have now obtained forged documents created by republicans. >> the wider coordinated plot is starting to come into view. and it looks even worse. the evidence shows it looks more serious now. it looks like the trump campaign got closer than in realized at the time. so even as the press and the responsible parts of the american public took the january 6th insurrection quite seriously, the mechanics of that day are still coming into view. with trump's own aids and lawyers under heat for a playbook they could try to use again. the january 6th committee is probing all of this with questions about how high, how coordinated this it plot was. was it just random republicans doing pranks which involved illega

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>> also ahead, the january 6th committee saying it wants information from rudy giuliani at some point, as they release more subpoenas today. and was he lying? whether novak djokovic lied to enter the country. joining me now, jessica dean and john. we will talk about what the president did today, john. president biden making a major push for the two voting rights bills, comparing it to be on the side of dr. king, john lewis, he is putting it on the line now. what happens if it doesn't work? no voting rights? no build back better? >> well, that certainly could be one result, don. both are difficult. i think the white house is more confident that -- and democratic leaders are confident they can get something done on build back better. but this is a consequence of what happened when you have zero margin for error in the senate. you have 50 senators. you have all of them, and one of them happens to come from a state that donald trump won by 39% in the last election. the fact that joe manchin is a problem on both, it didn't make a difference if they did voting rights first, and build back b

you have rudy giuliani. you have sidney powell. th these are people who were in daily interaction with donald trump. there is no one closer. and the committee has been acting in a methodical way, working from the bottom up. we heard many times that they have interviewed 300 people, which lows lower-level people. by issuing subpoenas to these people, it means that they are getting towards the end, which they had better be because given the possibility of legal challenges, given the possibility of delay from witnesses who don't go to court, they better start getting the witnesses they need in house because they may not be in congress for that -- they may not be in the majority for that much longer. >> i don't think they believe that these guys are going to come wandering in and say, oh, sure, we are going to testify, no problem. i think they know -- the committee knows exactly what it's doing, which is we are going to spooern you, we are going to tell the story in these letters that we send out, but we understand that rudy giuliani i

rudy giuliani is clearly one of those individuals. the right wing individuals and organizations that participated, providing security and other things. they're important. and, obviously, ivanka trump was a major advisor to the president all along. a number of items attributed to what she has been saying. we're asking her to come involuntarily and give us the benefit of what she knows. >> brennan: will she? >> we'll wait and see, february 3rd, and we'll go after that. >> brennan: in terms of rudy giuliani, who you subpoenaed, there was another news development in terms of public reporting. republican electors in at least five states put together essentially state slates of the electors. in states that joe biden won, they handed over these slates saying that donald trump won them. according to the former chief-of-staff to vice president mike pence, he was presented with letters from rudy giuliani to this end trying to persuade the former vice president not to certify the election. do you know who was orchestrating this effort? i mean th

rudy giuliani. early in his own career in new york, giuliani, of course, made his name as a tough, hard charging crime fighting prosecutor. he would head up one of the most powerful trial courts in the country, the southern district of new york. that catapulted him to mayor and despite a polarizing tenure as mayor he then rose to national prominence after 9/11 just weeks before he was set to leave office. in 2008 giuliani was considered the frontrunner at one point to become president himself. but in the years since giuliani's devolved into something of a political punchline. even helping bring about trump's first impeachment with his attempts to dig up dirt about the bidens in ukraine. and giuliani perhaps more than anyone our outside the government worked to abet donald trump's january 6th coup which led to donald trump's second impeachment. giuliani's efforts culminated with that truly bizarre press conference at four seasons total landscaping in 2020. and today the bipartisan committee investiga

rudy giuliani. early in his own career in new york, giuliani made his name as a tough, hard charging, crime fighting prosecutor. would go on to head up one of the most trial courts in the country. the southern district of new york. that catapulted him to mayor. and despite intensely polarizing tenure as mayor, he nonetheless then rose to national prominence after 9/11. just weeks before he was sent to the office. he was even considered the front runner at one point to become president himself. but in the years since, giuliani has devolved into something of a political punchline. even helping bring about trump's first impeachment, with his attempts to dig up dirt about the bidens in ukraine. and giuliani, perhaps more than anybody outside the government, worked to embed donald trump's january 6th coup. which led to donald trump's second impeachment. giuliani's efforts, culminated with a truly bizarre press conference at the four seasons, total landscaping in 2020, and today, the bipartisan committee

rudy giuliani, there is more, there is more, right? his attorney involved with putting up fake electors according to sources. when does he face the biggest legal peril here? >> well, don, that's a lot of legal peril and a lot of different forms. we are talking civil and congressional and people associated with him. the biggest risk is down in georgia from the fulton county district attorney. we are talking about potential criminal charges there. that's a whole different ball game than the civil kind of charges he's looking at from the new york attorney general or whatever may come out of congress which is damaging but you don't go to prison for that. the move of asking for this special grand jury is a big step forward for the da. it shows the da is getting very serious about this investigation and will soon be armed with a subpoena power. don, it is important to understand, we are now talking about prosecutorial and these are the real subpoenas and witnesses have to comply with them or face consequences. that's what i see the biggest r

so listen, as we learn more about rudy's involvement, rudy giuliani's involvement in this bizarre scheme to send false electors, what do we think the odds are it wasn't done with the knowledge of the former president? >> absolutely zero. i'm sure that rudy was in touch with donald trump, very gleeful about the plot that he was hatching. you know, it's really a lot of craziness. and i think that some people around the white house recognize that. certainly sean hannity recognized this was all craziness. but anything that rudy would have been able to bring to donald trump to give him a shred of hope would have thrilled then-president trump, and it would have made rudy very relevant. and, you know, he's spent a lot of time being irrelevant. and he's spent quite a bit of time in the last few years being very relevant. and i think he prefers the latter. >> it really is just a clown car of characters. >> it is. >> thank you, michael. i appreciate it. it's good to see you. >> thanks, don. >>> one year ago tonight president joe biden was newly inaugurated. he was elected to be a problem solver, s

." ( laughter ) it's not just rudy. the select committee has also subpoenaed the phone records of former second son, eric. ( cheers and applause ) could be good. could be good. not sure how much you can learn from the phone records of someone who answers the "scam likely" number hoping it's his dad. ( laughter ) ( applause ) speaking of phones, today verizon and at&t turned on a major new part of their 5g networks. of course, if you got the vaccine, you already have 5g. ( laughter ) but to access the new network, you're going to have to initiate a hard reset. just insert a paperclip into the back of your neck while holding down the bluetooth button on your giant balls. ( applause ). ♪ ♪ ♪ there's one small problem: officials are worried 5g signals could lead to airplane crashes. okay, but on the bright side, you can stream "yellowjackets" all the way down. ( laughter ) you see, because they use similar segments of the radio spectrum, some officials are worried that 5g service will interfere with sensitive instrume

thank you, rudy. i am continually in awe of united players for the work it does. gun buy back every year to keep our community safe, work that up did during the pandemic to up sport so many families struggling. it is an amazing organization to help people turn their lives around, helps people get on track, keeps young people on track and supports everyone. thank you, united players. it is a scary time in this country when it comes to guns. we know the data is really clear that the more guns you have, the more gun violence you are going to have. this fantasy that everyone can have a gun or 10 guns as long as they are responsible it is good. there is a direct correlation. the more guns in state, community, society, more people are going to get shot and killed. it played out again a few weeks ago. more high school students getting murdered by another student who had access to a gun. his parents gave him the gun. this has to stop. we know our federal government, congress is paralyzed. can't even pass the

we can now see, apparently, rudy giuliani. remember, president trump rudy giuliani in charge of the efforts to mount some sort of pseudo-, legal effort. to keep trump in power. even though he had lost the election. apparently, what giuliani did, as far as that omission from the president, was to help this effort. to send out these, fill in the blank mad, forgery documents. by which republican created fake documents in multiple states. trying to pass themselves off of this real electors. even though those were states that trump lost. and the real electors from those states where biden electors. and we also know, from the january six committee, not only that they are focusing on that matter, that is one of their areas of focus. but also, that they've uncovered a lot of information about it. and that they have uncovered a lot of information about what happened, including in the white house, in the oval office, on january 6th. both by the president himself and among people who otherwise would previously have thought, were supporti

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we have a lot of questions. >> there is obviously with rudy giuliani just to start with him, there is obviously a zone of fifth' mendment protection that he would want in facing these questions. he's already known to be the subject of a federal criminal investigation. he has already been temporarily disbarred for some of the conduct that you want to talk to him about. and so i assume the committee in your discussions have anticipated the possibility that a witness like mr. giuliani might show up and take the fifth amendment for virtually every question after his name and address. >> the state of law is if you think you would incriminate yourself criminally and want to be protected by the fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, you have to come into the committee and assert that right question by question. the reason for that is then the committee has another decision to make which is whether to seek use and unity from the claim. if we decide that is wise and that decision has not yet been made, then you would be required to testify as to the matters and that testimony to the

tell rudy i'm coming to see him >> i will. thank you very much. >> watch our profiles on our olympic athletes. head to nbc bay area.com/olympics. >>> all righty. you don't need that number 2 pencil anymore. that's a phrase that high school students, like put down your pencil, have heard many years. they won't be hearing it soon when it comes to the s.a.t. our digital journalist joins us here. major changes for that supposed to be famous but since i've had two kids that have gone through it i'll call it infamous test. >> yes, jess, the s.a.t. is going all digital. let me walk you through some of the changes that will take effect in 2024 so in a couple of years. here we are. let me go through them. the first one is you'll be able to use your laptop or tablet, your personal ones, if you don't have any the school will provide it. no more -- i'll put a little arrow here. no more pencils and scantrons. a big thing. i have horror stories about not finding them on time so that is great. then a time cut. the test will be shortened by a

it hit rudy giuliani, jena ellis, and boris epstein, the four individuals we subpoenaed today pushed efforts to overturn the election results or were in direct contract with the former president about attempts to stop the counting of electoral votes, end quote. but dent take my word for it. here's just a short clip of some of the election lies that giuliani, powell and ellis, the veritable clown car of the 2020 election pushed. >> what we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through venezuela, cuba and likely china in the interference with our elections here in the united states. >> this is not a singular voter fraud in one state. this pattern repeats itself in a number of states, almost exactly the same pattern. i think the logical conclusion is this is a common plan, a common scheme that comes right directly from the democrat party and it comes from the candidate. >> a massive influx of communist money. >> joining me now is carol lentic, pulitzer prize-winning reporter for "the washington post," author of "i alone c

on the political side, juanita, rudy giuliani is more than one thing. he is a lawyer. he is a consultant. he does make money off consulting in politics. he also did a lot of stuff as far as we can tell because he wanted to be in the mix. i want to play for you as reminder a little of what he was doing after trump's loss. >> there was a plan from a centralized place to execute these various acts of voter fraud. massive fraud. how is it they all turned around? what do we have to do to get the fbi to wake up? because i'm sending my votes to people in michigan to germany, i would fire everybody involved in the election. >> juanita, your thoughts on the role he plays and now the pressure he is facing in a new investigation as mentioned. he was central to both of the i am -- of the impeachments. this was his effort to say i am willing to do your bidding to undermine the election. trump was calling raffensperger in georgia, giuliani was leaving voice mails to election officials in arizona, michigan and other states while spreading baseless lawsuits. i think what strikes me ab

he was working with rudy giuliani on this what they said was an investigation of vote fraud. of course we know this was all bogus, but -- and he acknowledged, by the way, in this interview with the january 6th committee they never actually came up with proof of vote fraud. but he felt and rudy giuliani felt in all their work, they were working out of the willard hotel, working out of the manard oriental apparently until covid forced them to move hotels. they never actually came up with any proof, but they felt they needed to continue pursuing this lie. and so that's one of the things -- >> what do they need a warrant for? >> he says that it was a misnomer in this interview, apparently. he said that it was mainly to organize everybody who was working on this vote fraud cause that they were pursuing. and, you know, they saw steve bannon there periodically i guess -- >> to do exactly what? this was to do exactly what? to continue to spread lies or -- >> to continue to pursue the big lie. >> but not to get people to the capitol? is that -- >> that apparently is what he is contend

it appears that the person who is made a fool of is rudy giuliani. he used to be mayor of one of america's great cities and now reduced to calling for trial by combat and now he's in a world of hurt here. >> and the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york who was, you know, charged with upholding and respecting the rule of law in one of the most powerful u.s. attorney's office in the country and he is correct. he's been completely made a fool of that entire architecture of about five dozen lawsuits that he and sydney powell conjured to create the idea there was election fraud when there wasn't. the suits themselves were comically full of shotty work but they still managed to put those onto the public stage. and i think it's worth remembering with this collection of people who have been subpoenaed now that donald trump will bring people like this around him again if he comes back into power. and although all of them particularly these four rodeo clowns were able to perpetrate one of the biggest assaults we've had on the rule of law and ele

he was working with rudy giuliani on this what they said was an investigation of vote fraud. of course we know this was all bogus, but -- and he acknowledged, by the way, in this interview with the january 6th committee they never actually came up with proof of vote fraud. but he felt and rudy giuliani felt in all their work, they were working out of the willard hotel, they were working out of the mandarin oriental, patiently, until a covid outbreak forced them to move hotels. but during this entire period, they never actually came up with any proof, but they felt they needed to continue pursuing this lie. and so that's one of the things -- >> what do they need a war room for? >> he says that it was a misnomer in this interview, apparently. he said that it was mainly to organize everybody who was working on this vote fraud cause that they were pursuing. and, you know, they saw steve bannon there periodically i guess -- >> to do exactly what? working on it? this was to do exactly what? to continue to spread lies or -- >> to continue to pursue the big lie. >> but not to get peo

there is fresh reporting from "the washington post" about a coordinated effort led by rudy giuliani to overturn the election results in five key states by helping to justify alternate electors that would cast a state's electoral college votes for trump, not biden. one of the reporters on that piece will tell us how far giuliani went and about the trump electors who refused to go along with him. on that same subject of alternate electors, more breaking news, this out of georgia. the fulton county district attorney has now asked for a special grand jury to investigate any coordinated attempts to unlawfully alter the outcome of the 2020 elections in that state. joining me now is nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, nbc news capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell, and university of alabama law professor and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. she is also an msnbc legal analyst. we have a lot of stories to go over right now but they all fall under the banner of the 2020 election and the effort to either subvert it or to overturn it in some places. leigh ann, we'll start with t

rudy giuliani and the minions is like advice from ringling brothers and barnum and bailey. they should not give legal add visz. if they tell them this is totally legitimate that's on the gray -- it's a gray area. not a technical advice of counsel defense and could be used as a factual defense but regardless they are as i think -- i think this investigation will move very quickly on this topping of the fake electors because i think many will cooperate both with the committee but also with doj if they call and that could really open up a whole can of worms and different directions that the investigation can go. >> betsy, do you want to respond? >> yeah. in at least one case. a person who's been subpoenaed has cited counsel from the state in which that person was based and not seen anyone say rudy giuliani told me this is legal so i could do it but people with subpoenas and responses rolling in and at this point we can't rule anything out. >> exactly. we watch for everything. thank you so much for starting us off. when we come back, president biden today vowing the $500 billio

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we have reporting that it's rudy giuliani. if that's how it turns out, so be it but that's crucial information for the committee to know. >> so, david, our reporting is that rudy giuliani was essentially the leader of these efforts of the fake electors. and that he coordinated it on a state-by-state level for donald trump. now, this, you know, here is giuliani and longtime trump aide stephen miller talking about their plan to replace electors. they didn't try to hide it. >> the power is given to you. in the mcpherson case in 1892, united states supreme court made clear that you can take that power back anytime you want to. anytime. you can take it back tonight. you could take it back the day before the electors go down to washington. you can take it back anytime you want. >> as we speak today, an ultimate slate of electors is going to vote and we are going to send those results up to congress. >> so, david, let me just ask you, you know, take a step back here. person walking into this for the first time. if it is a conspiracy,

rudy giuliani was helping to lead this push. there were conference calls between trump campaign officials and gop state operatives. you know, the trump campaign folks were suggesting people who could fill these roles of fake electors and even went so far in some cases to help them secure meeting spaces in the statehouses so the fake electors could meet and come up with the plan. >> just to add to this, the co-chair of the michigan republican party actually alluded to the trump campaign's involvement at a public event earlier this month which was record. listen. >> we fought for investigations into every part of the election we could. he fought for a team of people to come and testify in front of the committee. we fought to seat the electors. the trump campaign asked us to do that under a lot of scrutiny. >> the trump campaign asked us to do that. harry, will any of these participant, whether it's in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin and so forth, will any of them face charges? >> oh, very possibly. i think jen and i could get to

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they'll get rudy. this guy, seriously, they should put a bust of him up in the united states senate as a historical artifact. he was responsible for both of donald trump's impeachments if you think about it. what he did in ukraine. what he did on the stop the steal stuff and all of the stuff leading up to january 6th. you know, trump was -- every inside right talked to him, and i'm sure you did, too -- was slowly coming to terms with this. rudy comes in in his clown car and says, no, no, no, giving him all these theories. donald trump is responsible for donald trump. i'm just says, rudy giuliani, though, this is the torts "but for" case. but for rudy giuliani, trump would not have been impeached in ukraine and, most likely the events of january 6th wouldn't have occurred. giuliani went in as trump was cooling down and spun him back and said, listen, if you let me go out there, we will overturn the election. >> it'd be impossible to know whether, if rudy didn't exist, trump wouldn't have done crazy stuf

let's be honest, likelihood that rudy giuliani is going to participate. he loves to talk but he's not going to play ball. >> no, and there's a bigger problem with all due respect to the congressman that he missed. they executed search warrants for his home and office, likely a subject or target of a federal criminal investigation. that gives him fifth amendment privilege. i'd love to hear from the guy -- >> whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, explain that. >> sure. we have reason to believe that giuliani is under criminal investigation. we know the fbi executed search warrants at his home and office more than a year ago. that case has never been resolved and it's been very quiet. but i imagine because he's under investigation, he can assert, validly, a fifth amendment privilege to refuse to answer any question if it tends to incriminate him. your point about him not being cooperative is spot on. i'm not sure this guy would know the truth if it hit him in back of the head, but putting all that aside and putting aside i would love to hear from him. he must have tons

do you remember like how after the election rudy giuliani held a couple of election conferences? there was the four seasons election -- just off phil -- why was it held there? certain to be the subject of political science dissertations to come. giuliani at that event, seem to be investigating election irregularities at that event, but the event was interrupted with all the networks calling the election for joe biden. that was not the only conference that he held that much. he held the smoking contents of that event, that what's that on his face presser? where he appeared to be, melting, before our eyes. i know that is what you remember about that event. none of us can forget it. but, what was that event for? other than to haunt our dreams. that event was to be a full dissertation by rudy giuliani and his legal team, about how the election had been stolen from trump. he told us that the hair dye press conference, that he had won by -- boats and that he could prove it. he would have the evidence soon, and we should get ready. evidence of all the corruption by the big city democrat

as you noted, the biggest name on this list, rudy giuliani. the longtime personal attorney to former president trump who helped spearhead efforts to try to uncover evidence of election fraud and undermine the results of the 2020 election. they're also targeting two other individuals who once served as attorneys to former president trump. the first is jenna ellis. she circulated two memos purporting to analyze how former vice president mike pence could either delay or stop the counting of electoral votes. the committee also firing off a subpoena to sydney powell who was once part of the trump legal team. she was eventually pushed out. one of the loudest voices pushing the big lie. also a subpoena for trump adviser boris epshteyn. he attended meetings at the willard hotel, the location of the so-called war room for many trump allies trying to brainstorm ways to stop the certification of the electoral results. according to the committee, he also spoke with former president trump on january 6th about their options to make that happen. we know from

multiple sources say campaign officials led by trump's right-hand man rudy giuliani oversaw efforts to install bogus electors in seven battleground states. listen to how one of those fake electors from michigan described the campaign's involvement. >> we fought for investigations into every part of the election because he fought for a team of people to come and testify in front of the committee. we fought to seat the electors, trump campaign asked us to do that, under a lot of scrutiny for that today. >> joining me to discuss cnn's marshall cohen and zachary cohen. good to see both of you, marshall, you first. what's the latest on these fake electors? what exactly did the trump campaign try to do? how did they recruit them each? >> fredricka, we are talking about the electoral college, it's a wonky process spelled out in the constitution, but it's essential to how we transfer power from one president to the next in this country. back in december 2020 the real electors across the country met and essentially designated joe biden as the president-elect, but as you mentioned, in many of th

. >> obviously rudy was in a lot of those conversations. see him after the fact reporting, he was actively pressing the president on these conspiracies. and convincing him, warming his way into these meetings. so he will have some information. i fully expect that he won't be super cooperative. but again, congress has ways to compel that. and we have ways to ensure that he is telling the truth under oath. >> what are the ways to compel? let's be honest, rudy giuliani, the likelihood he is going to participate. while he loves the attention, he loves to talk, he's not going to play well. >> no he is not going to play ball stephanie. and i think there's a bigger problem, with all due respect to the congressman. you recall that the fbi executed search warrants at mr. giuliani's home and office. he's under criminal investigation as far as we know. he's either likely a subject, or a target of a federal criminal investigation. that gives him a fifth amendment privilege. look, i would love to hear from the guy. >> explain that. >> sure. we have reas

rudy giuliani is clearly one of those individuals. the right wing individuals and organizations that participated, providing security and other things. they're important. and, obvioly, katrump was a utedo what sh has en sayin can us the benefit of what she knows. >> brennan: will she? >> we'll wait and see, february 3rd, and we'll go after that. >> brennan: in terms of rudy giuliani, who you subpoenaed, there was another news development in terms of public reporting. republican electors in at least five states put together essentially state slates of the electors. in states that joe biden won, they handed over these slates saying that donald trump won them. according to the former chief-of-staff to vice president mike pence, he was presented with letters from rudy giuliani to this end trying to persuade the former vice president not to certify the election. do you know who was orchestrating this effort? i mean this is a pretty significant claim. >> well, we do know thinformatie ivfr nat oppered things. if we, after review of those pla