alencia, i want to start with you. that disconnect and poll numbers is beyond fascinating. if you are the biden white house right now, how are you going to address those numbers? >> well, i think what the biden white house is going to do is actually do what biden douse best and that sin evoke empathy and say he's able to understand what it is they're going through. one, americans are concerned with how polarized our politics have made us, and, therefore, we've also seen that people are concerned where democracy is going. the satisfaction tends to fall on party lines and goes back and forth, but there's something to be said with people are satisfied with their personal life, so something is happening, whether economically or what's happening -- getting more education, whatever it might be. there is something said about how the economic policies are making people personally satisfied with their lives some of how can the biden administration talk about these record achievements and policies and inflation that's hitting certain families really hard? there's a threat the white h

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so, alencia, fir want to say i completely agree with you this is abhorrent in a number of ways. i also think kathryn says something very interesting, as a strategy, if you can look at it as a strategy, this is a way of actually getting around the press, right? of skirting a press that would be critical of you, ask questions of you and still getting attention and variety. the argument was made to me early in the week this is something conservatives have been willing to do, right? they've willing to go on these reality shows. the only time we see democrats doing the same is if it's like president obama going between two ferns and ultimately making an argument for obamacare. is there something to this? the idea of accepting we now live in an attention economy and actually maximizing that exposure? >> we definitely live in an attention economy. to be honest, why would conservatives not do this, when their last president is literally a former reality star? tucker carlson went on "dancing with the stars" and he said he did it because he didn't know what to do with his life, but he did