cheney insisted they be as aggressive as possible. joining me now is ohio congressman jim jordan, house judiciary member and indiana congressman jim banks. congressman jordan, let's start with you. as someone who has been targeted by this committee, your reaction to pelosi tying herself to what seems to be a liz cheney revenge fantasy. >> laura, this is all about getting president trump here they try to get him before he got elected in 2016 and spent four years while he was in office trying to get rid of him and now after he's left off as they try to make sure he doesn't run again. and "the new york times" piece was amazing because it had 14 former prosecutors part of this committee. if your whole focus is a legislative purpose, it's supposed to be under a constitution, do you really need 14 former prosecutors to figure out what you might do or not do with the electoral act or whatever? this is all about getting president trump, but it's also bigger than that. it is about getting his family, getting his friends, it's about getting you

you see them here, liz cheney and adam kinzinger for their work on the committee investigating january 6th. >>> an attack on the capitol, the republican party is now, today, officially describing as, quote, legitimate political discourse. remember, nine people died in connection to the insurrection, more than 150 law enforcement officers were hurt. we will talk about what else the party is saying today and what's going down behind closed doors as mike pence takes the mic at a different meeting sometime this hour. >>> plus, green across the board for wall street right now after that stronger than expected jobs report from the labor department. the head of the national economic council brian deese joining us live from the white house in a minute. >>> and breaking this afternoon, one of the country's biggest airlines wants the justice department to make a new no fly list after all that bad behavior on planes. we have our tom costello jumping in front of a camera with developing details. i'm hallie jackson in washington. good to be with you on a friday afternoon. we will start with new det

>> well, i absolutely think liz cheney wins this without a question. i think this will be a tougher battle than liz has faced in the past. let's not forget that her challenger has -- was on her team and she's going to have a very hard differentiating herself from liz cheney and let's be honest here, liz cheney has been a stalwart supporter of wyoming since day one. she voted with the president -- with president trump 93% of the time and has only voted with biden 11% of the time. it's clear to me that liz will absolutely win this race. to me, it's going to be a much harder discussion on the other side of this race where her challenger is going to have a much different time to differentiate herself. >> when it comes to -- you've acknowledged that you expect to probably face a primary challenge because you're backing congresswoman cheney. you've said eventually donald trump won't be the face of the republican party anymore. do you think you're going to stay in the party? do you think you will win? if you don't think donald trump is not going to be the fac

censured cheney for participating in the january 6th commission. so, we're seeing the rnc start to stand behind and really double down on candidates that would both try to shirk the implications of the january 6th insurrection and those candidates who would suggest that the 2020 election, of course, are challenging the legitimacy of the 2020 election. so what we will see, as this -- as these midterms play out is we're going to start to see democrats who are up against trumpists and potentially, as we get to '24, 2024, we may see more candidates who would support those who would challenge the legitimacy of our elections. >> susan, alaina brings up a great point because it was the rnc and what they said about january 6th, calling it legitimate political discourse, of course, and where mccarthy stands on things and where people like stefanik stands on things but then of course the reporting that we have talked about on this show about mitch mcconnell with a quiet effort to keep trump out of the white house come 2024 and everybody that is about trump k

pack. >> is congressman cheney concerned? is she worried about her situation? >> so, let's just talk about marriagery taylor green for a minute. i don't think liz cheney is scared of anyone, i certainly don't think marjorie taylor green. cheney has said all along that this is about democracy, the constitution, rule of law, politics. she knows she has a tough battle in wyoming. wyoming is the trumpiest state there is. more people voted for trump than for liz cheney. not a lot but more. i think that liz cheney has made it clear she's put this on the line, every day she doubles down. whether she wins or not, she's not going away. and she sees this as more important than any political fight. >> that's a pretty significant thing to say. sometimes whether you win or not, you are not going. thank you both very much. >>> and next, the cdc standing by its guidance, even the war states are lifting mask mandates. stacey abrams is my guest, what would she do if elected? >>> plus a new report expected to show record inflation is not s slo

liz cheney is a dead woman walking in montana. she knows that. it's just so sad. . >> wyoming, i think you mean, joe. >> both beautiful states. >> wyoming. thank you, john. >> i'm a huge fan of yellowstone. joe, though, i don't think we should totally dismiss the idea that they had to water this down. they had to water down their condemnation of cheney and kinzinger. i'm not suggesting there is a place for them in the republican party at large right now. but the fact that these people felt they couldn't get it through as harsh as they initially wanted, does that show perhaps some of their powers waning? >> no. because i don't think, john, this committee of these party bosses had the authority to expel adam kinzinger or liz cheney from the republican party. i don't think they have that authority. again -- i'm sorry. the bigger picture is this. adam kinzinger and liz cheney know, they won't say it, but they know there's no place in this party for them right now. that's what needs to be driven home. not what a bunch of party hacks do in salt lake ci

she is endorsing cheney's primary opponent, harriet hageman. none of this is surprising, but it is still an extraordinary moment in republican politics right now. gop leaders typically do not get involved in primaries. but kevin mccarthy was under immense pressure from his right flank to take some sort of action against cheney and he had been resisting calls to remove her from conference, instead he's now settled on trying to kick her out of congress entirely. of course, this could win him major points with trump world and that is a crucial constituency if he wants to back speaker one day. it is a bit of a risk. he has members in his own conference who don't want to see their leadership involved in this messy interparty warfare. and not to mention if cheney does come back, it would be pretty embarrass for mccarthy and trump. >> really uncomfortable for them. melanie, any indication as to what liz cheney's response is to this? i can't imagine she's overly surprised. >> yeah, well, there is clearly no love lost between the two camps. we haven't h

i thought she is smarter than tying herself to liz cheney. i mean, she doesn't represent anyone i mean, maybe a few lobbyists for, you know, some of the defense contractors d.c. but she doesn't represent anyone and yet pelosi thinks that'shink the way to portray an optimistic vision for the democrats. well, claire mccaskill actually congressman banks gave away the store and an interview which i think was extremelybo revealing about what this committeeut t is really all abo. watch this .e of now this committee has toic really focus on how they communicate with the voterss to decide the midterms and ultimately decide 2020 fourt isel not going to be just by subpoenaing more witnesses for just convincing everyone who's already convinced they've got to convince somego folks of the seriousness of what happened. >> swcf going to convince some new folks this should be their focus january 6th. that's what we call saying the quiet part out loud, right ? i mean, they they put this in a memo, the d triple c putis this memo as well about this is a big par

, mccarthy has officially endorsed cheney's pro-trump primary opponent. and former vice president pence is defending the rnc even after it voted to censure cheney and adam kinzinger because of the their roles in the january 6 committee. we have more on this gop divide. that is next. i love. i like that the ww personalpoints plan is built just for me. download the ww app todayy for a 14 day free trial. as a struggling acr, i need all the breaks that i can get. at libty butchumal- cut. liberty bibey- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ kim is now demonstrating her congestion. save it slimeball. i've upgraded to mucinex. we still have 12 hours to australia. mucinex lasts 12 hours, so i'm good. now move! kim, no! mucinex lasts 3x longer for 12 hours. >>> house republican leader kevin mccarthy is actively trying to get rid of liz cheney, to kick her out of congress. cheney is one of the two republicans on the committee investig

there's a few members that are more conservative than liz cheney. she's a cheney. it's about an autocratic move oriented around a strong man and if you don't recognize that and submit to it, then you'll be purged. straight out of the soviet union. >> yus just about a year ago, s did survive a push to remove her. mccarthy defended her at the time. watch this. >> liz cheney, our conference chair, who just got a resounding shot in the arm -- >> it's an example this republican party is a big tent. everyone's invited in. >> today liz cheney is out of leadership, censured by the rnc and mccarthy is backing her primary opponent. this is what he said on fox tonight. >> wyoming deserves to have a representative who will deliver the accountability against the biden administration. not a representative that works closer with nancy pelosi, going after republicans instead of stopping the radical democrats for what they're doing to this country. >> what a difference a year makes. and does he stand for anything or -- >> no. i mean, look, it's repleat with baseless men like mccart

there are plenty who agree with cheney and others who want to ignore. as much as you'd hear in private, those voices are few and far between. our own peter nicholas is covering the rnc leader in salt lake city. he's been reporting on the quiet part that doesn't get said out loud. peter, let's talk about that because i hear it, too. boy, i don't know, talking about 2020 is a bad idea but in public it's all they're doing. >> that's right. we spoke to tom state party chairmen and rnc members, they're pretty clear, discussing 2020 is not a winning issue. the election fraud issue does not resonate with voters. successful candidates like youngkin in virginia won by talking about issues important to real people like education and inflation and gas prices. they say they're not necessarily critical of donald trump because they're afraid of alienating him and estranging his voters. they recognize the trump base is an important part of any republican winning strategy. it's a tightrope that they're walking but can you definitely hear a lot of concern about the acti

you have to republicans, consider an cheney and both i consider an cheney and both have now been censured by the rnc, the republican parties organisational sort of headquarters for their participation in your committee. so thatjust tells us again, the republican party is taking no part in this investigation beyond those two individuals.— individuals. that's a reflection _ individuals. that's a reflection of - individuals. that's a reflection of the - individuals. that's a - reflection of the deterioration of the principles of their party which is no longer a normal modern political party but asked far more like an authoritarian cult of personality under donald trump. if you cross donald trump in any way, if you refuse to follow his orders that you do become a pariah. even if you were the head of the republican conference as liz cheney was with her but she does speak for millions of republicans in the country as does adam kinzer ggiirrll. the ten republicans who voted to impeach trump for insurrection and the seven republicans in the senate who voted to convict them for that, that was th

you can't get more conservative than liz cheney. you can't get more republican than liz cheney and adam kinzinger. but yet here we are being censured, these two, by the rnc. what do you make of that? >> it's disgraceful. like olivia said, it's not the rnc i know. this is not the republican party i started out with. but i'd also like to say that i don't consider them moderate republicans. i think of them as principled republicans, and that's the difference between people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger, and i would also like to highlight the speaker of the arizona house who basically, with his one vote, a republican who supported donald trump, was able to eliminate the voting rights suppression bill that arizona state legislature put up. so it will no longer exist in its current form, and that's thanks to a republican. >> it's interesting, right, juanita, because as we were coming into this new year ahead of the midterms, there was talk about the fact that republicans certainly had somewhat of a leg up, right? possibly because you

cheney, who is the vice chair of the select committee, responded to the censure vote with the social media post writing, this was january 6th. this is not legitimate political discourse. late last year, cheney said the panel was planning on holding several weeks of public hearings, today another member shared more details about the timeline, and what they hope to uncover before than. >> they have sent back doesn't enough that it has slowed down the scheduling of hearings, and i think it is more likely to be end of april, or may. i want to make sure that every substantial subplot to overthrow the 2020 presidential election is fully investigated. so we really just learned about the subplot campaign to seize election machinery, which is a real banana republican stuff. the focused campaign against mike pence is something where we have a lot of information but not complete information, and we are hoping to complete that, so i mean, you're right that there, you know, there's no exact finish line. but, we do need to investigate. >> the panel has also learned more about a phone call between

she is a cheney. it is just about an autocratic movement that is oriented around a strong man and if you don't recognize that and submit to it, then you'll be purged. it is straight out of the soviet union. >> just about a year ago liz cheney did survive a push to remove her as conference chair for voting to impeach donald trump. mccarthy defended her at the time. watch this. >> liz cheney our conference chair who just got a resounding shot in the arm. just an example this republican party is a very big tent. everyone is invited in. >> today though liz cheney is out of leadership, censured by the rnc, and mccarthy is backing her primary opponent. here is what he said on fox just tonight. >> wyoming deserves to have a representative who will deliver the accountability against this biden administration. not a representative they have today that works closer with nancy pelosi going after republicans instead of stopping these radical democrats for what they're doing to this country. >> what a difference a

quote, liz cheney and adam kinzinger crossed the line. they chose to join nancy pelosi in a democrat-led persecution of an ordinary-led citizens who engage in legitimate political discourse that had nothing to do with violence at the capitol. see what she did there? she added a little caveat that was not in the original document. trying to argue the legitimate political discourse was unrelated to the violence of the capitol. but first of all, that is not the language that the rnc voted overwhelmingly to approve. they chose to characterize it all as legitimate political discourse, including concussion cops. but even if it was, it is simply not possible to separate what happened on january 6th at any point of the day from the violent insurrection. you see this? some of the apologist want to make a distinction between the insurrectionists who invaded the capital and broke the law, and innovation violence, and the people who were just exercising their lawful constitutional rights that morning. that were just peacefully marching for donald tru

liz cheney is a hard-core conservative. her voting record and mine did not match up very well when i served with her. mike pence, i mean, this is a guy who would introduce himself saying he was a christian first, then a conservative, then a republican. so, you know, the people who stand for ideas are being marginalized. the people who are embracing this lie and the man, who came up with, that are empowering. >> this is an interesting point you make. in other, words you and adam kinzinger and liz cheney and mike pence were all part of the same party. that was a broad political spectrum within one party. you've gotta be more than those people who believe that generous six was a lie and the election was a fraud. how do like-minded people come together to resurrect the propublica party? we can't really be a country where one party party believes in democracy and the other one doesn't. >> well, the first principle, or rule i would say,, ali is that we can only embrace people who stand for the truth. people who are promoting ally

the republican conference must not be sabotaged by cheney and kinzinger. how else could the truth be destructive and seeking it be considered it sabotage? the rnc now admits it's demanding republicans put party over country and pledge fidelity to donald trump, adding that cheney and kinzinger support democratic efforts to destroy president trump more than they support winning back republican support in 2022, end quote. at this surreal headline in today's paper, the party of lincoln and reagan now formally and publicly holds the position that the deadly mob of people trying to overthrow the u.s. government consisted of, quote, ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse. in case you missed that. the official position of the rnc now is that legitimate political discourse is what happened on january 6th. a day in which resulted in the deaths of at least five police officers and multiple insurrectionists including one who was shot and died while attempting to forcibly breach a barricaded area of the capitol building. according to the rnc, legit

some in the house want to primary, liz cheney wants to endorse one. remember, adam kinzinger is not running for re-election. this puts house minority leader kevin mccarthy in a sticky situation as republican leaders don't weigh in especially if there's an incumbent running. but, of course, most of the republican party is against liz cheney for her speaking out against them for white washing the events. >> very indyk active mitt romney was the candidate for the republican party and now he's shamed by the actions of those within his own party. daniella diaz from capitol hill. thank you so much. >>> the atlanta area district attorney looking into trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 results in georgia is laying out the timeline for her investigation. a grand jury is expected to begin its work at the start of may. >> fani willis says they could see a lot of activity in june and july. cnn's jessica schneider reported. >> reporter: the atlanta d.a. is speaking out, giving extensive commenting about what's to come in this probe against trump and his allies.

>> yes, he should. >> congresswoman cheney? >> that's up to cpac. i have been clear on my views on president trump and the extent following january 6th i don't believe he should be playing a role in the future of the party or the country. >> on that high note, thank y'all very much. >>> one yea

liz cheney is no longer in leadership, and has low poll rating in wyoming. this is a committee, when you as watch orlando the only person who had a worse robinson >> noah: week with cnn -- robert viola i think those, who actually two individuals will have a hard got some minutes time ever coming back to congress. >> so mccarthy and republicans are doubling down. is this an opportunity >> noah: isaiah for hill, democrats to 4 to shoot lure any. baylor, off the pump republicans to lure voters who are fake, it's pure. anti's insurrection? >> >> casey: perhaps yes it ballard with is. i think a 2nd jumper. in the case of only senior in the congresswoman cheney in rotation for the bulldogs. wyoming, love that shot i've listened to a lot of interviews she's done. she'll tell you that she can still win wyoming. that she knows people of her district better than kevin mccarthy and anybody else across the country. she welcomes the challenge. i want to go back to let him was saying. this is really important. the republican party is going through an apparatus. it's the e

and does liz cheney have the worst we can washington? we will explain and speak with the primary challenger trying to take her down. >> laura: i'm beginning to think that liz cheney is trying to lose her reelection bid by the largest margin possible. the week started for her with "the new york times" of all places giving her pretty shabby coverage describing her influence on january 6th committee as a net negative because she is far too prosecutorial and since then, reports that she snubbed the voter summit in wyoming in order to do what? to hobnob with the media elite and while there, use the word crazy to describe her constituents. joining me now is a candidate running to unseat cheney and i have to say i was stunned that "the new york times" on sunday actually publish this piece and i just want to read a snippet from it. the house select committee scrutinize the january 6 assault on the capital is borrowing techniques from federal prosecutions employing aggressive tactics typically used against mobsters and terrorists and liz cheney t

we know he's got a list of them and liz cheney is also on it. in terms of how this impacts the work of the january 6th committee, it really doesn't. there are other things here, though, that it may have an impact on, specifically a bipartisan group of senators who are working to reform the electoral count act. that's an old law from the 1800s that governs the way that vice presidents certify election results. i asked several senators who are part of that bipartisan effort on the republican and democratic side if they thought that trump's latest round of comments about what he thought pence could have done, even though pence couldn't have overturned an election, i asked if trump's comments made their work harder. all of them, from both parties, said, no. so the former president here, of course, muddying the waters and the national party, by and large, going along with him, with this latest censure. but there are people here on the hill still determined to make the changes necessary to ensure that january 6th could never happen again. >> ali vital

honor attaches to liz cheney and adam kinzinger. and censuring liz cheney and adam kinzinger because they are trying to find out what happened on january 6th, huh? and house speaker with the mounting pressure he's under to endorse a primary challenge tore cheney, but cheney responded by calling gop leaders, quote, willing hostages to a man who admits he tried to overturn a presidential election. and secretaries he has pardoned defendants some of which have been charged with seditious conspiracy. yet another development, phone records reveal on the morning of january 6th the former president called representative jim jordan and spoke to him for ten minutes. this directly contradict what is jordan told the rules committee which is that he only spoke to the president that day after the attack. that afternoon, jordan took to the house floor to object to the certification of president joe biden electoral win. okay. so what does it all mean? i'm not surprised that former vice president mike pension believes any of the things that he said

the members have been identified that are of interest to liz cheney. i think she knows who was talking to donald trump that day. jim jordan and kevin mccarthy. you have also got the specter of senior advisers to the vice president. we don't know what they said but in the room and there's no suggestion from anyone on that committee -- i talked to one of them yesterday. they they have been stonewalling. is this where the rubber was going to meet the road for pence? >> yeah. you know, you have seen mark short pence's chief of staff testify and the counselor in the vice president's office. there's two most important advisers as vice president come forward and by all accounts coop rating. not talking about conversations that either had directly with donald trump. that would fall under executive privilege. a question is does pence himself end up cooperating with this committee? i actually doubt it. i don't think it will come to the point where we see pence himself testifying and maybe after you have seen the words today maybe they don't need his testimony. i

and does liz cheney have the worst we can washington? we will explain and speak with the primary challenger tr >> laura: i'm beginning to think that liz cheney is trying to lose her reelection bid by the largest margin possible. the week started for her with "the new york times" of all places giving her pretty shabby coverage describing her influence on january 6th committee as a net negative because she is far too prosecutorial and since then, reports that she snubbed the voter summit in wyoming in order to do what? to hobnob with the media elite and while there, use the word crazy to describe her constituents. joining me now is a candidate running to unseat cheney and i have to say i was stunned that "the new york times" on sunday actually publish this piece and i just want to read a snippet from it. the house select committee scrutinize the january 6 assault on the capital is borrowing techniques from federal prosecutions employing aggressive tactics typically used against mobsters and terrorists and liz cheney then defended her actio

he purged liz cheney. he promised if republicans went back to house, he promised to put fringe members on the committees. those members are all in on side shows and he's signaling he's okay with it. mitch mcconnell and others are not. the former president is stirring the pot. just before air tire, ronna mcdaniel put out a new defense of her censure resolution, in it, she makes no mention of the intraparty criticism she's get getting. she does, however, attack the media. as for her party, it's up for grabs. perspective now from commentator and former special adviser to president obama, van jones. also former republican national committee chief of staff, mike shields. mike, as a republican, i'm curious. why do you think mitch mcconnell felt the need to be so forceful in rebuking the legitimate political discourse notion and do you agree with him? >> well, look, i think that this was a resolution passed at the rnc that's not binding. it doesn't carry the weight of law. they passed four other resolutions that

he purged liz cheney. he's promising if republicans win back the house to put fringe members back on to committees, perhaps in his words, even better ones. those members are all in on side shows and he's signaling he's okay with it. mitch mcconnell and others are not. the former president is stirring the pot. just before air time, rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel put out a new defense of her censure resolution. in it, she makes no mention of the intraparty criticism she's getting. she does, however, attack the media. as for her party, it's up for grabs. perspective now from commentator and former special adviser to president obama, van jones. also former republican national committee chief of staff, mike shields. mike, as a republican, i'm curious. why do you think mitch mcconnell felt the need to be so forceful in rebuking the legitimate political discourse notion and do you agree with him? >> well, look, i think that this was a resolution passed at the rnc that's not binding. it doesn't carry the weight of

but, there is a glimmer of hope for those who agree with cheney. cheney just had her best fundraising quarter ever, taking in more than four times wetter primary challenger did. coming up, she ran for president in 2020, and could challenge president biden in 2024. -- williamson is here, and joins us after the break. saw break sa when i get a migraine, i shut out the world. but with nurtec odt that's all behind me now. nurtec is the first and only option proven to treat and prevent migraines with one medication. onederful. one quick dissolve tablet can start fast and last. don't take if allergic to nurtec. the most common side effects were nausea, stomach pain, and indigestion. with nurtec, i take on migraines my way. what's your way? ask your doctor about nurtec today. (vo) this year, t-mobile for business is here to help you hit the ground running. when you switch to t-mobile and bring your own device, we'll pay off your phone up to $800. you can keep your phone. keep your number. and get your employees connected on the largest and fastest 5g netw

and it is the same committee that is censuring adam kinzinger and liz cheney, and they said they didn't mean the people who were violent. and now joining me is the white flag podcast, and also molly walsh from the daily beast. and now, mike pence is finally speaking the truth 13 months after the fact. i guess better late than never, but how important was that to hear those words from mike pence? >> i'm not sure, but pence is right and trump is wrong. but here is the bigger deal. mike pence has absolutely no shot at the republican nomination in 2024, and if donald trump wants the nomination in '24, it is his, because the sad truth, jim, is this thing is over. there is no, there is no fight for the soul of the republican party. it is trump's party, and the party of trumpism, and you mentioned the censuring of kinzinger and cheney, and who spoke up to defend kinzinger and cheney, and where was mike pence and ted cruz and ron desantis, and any republican who wants to run for president? this party cannot be saved. >> yeah, molly, you know, mike pence, and he just told the truth. that is what

what if liz cheney is able to hold on to her seat? >> reporter: you know, that's a really key question, it's clear that mccarthy has made the calculation, he thinks this is politically prudent. yes, she could very well get re-elected. but he is thinks that republicans take back the house in 2022, he's going to need those trump allies in order to elect him speaker. this is a gamble he's willing to take. i will say this, though, this is significant, cheney, can't count her out. she's still a remarkable fund-raiser. she has raised more than $2 million, compared to her primary opponent hageman who has raised millions of dollars. >> and the daughter running as an outsider in the gop. eva mckend from capitol hill, thanks so much. >>> vice president kamala harris is meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky right now. >> let's get to natasha. they warn they had would punish with sanctions if it invaded ukraine, what do you see in that bilateral meeting? >> reporter: that's right, boris, she reiterated there would be consequences. s

congresswoman liz cheney is in a reelection battle. we know that's one of the key house districts that the former president donald trump is focusing a lot of his efforts on. he would like very much to see her lose her reelection bid, and that is really the stakes here as we go into the midterm elections. we're going to have to see the way that january 6th as a political issue begins to play. we have seen people like liz cheney repeatedly over and over try to call to her party's better angels, try to talk to republicans, as a political issue but instead as a moral issue. it does seem when you see censures like this at the rnc's winter meeting the way that they are talking about this, it does seem like she's losing that battle but at the same time she's going to have her moment at the ballot box in this upcoming year and we're going to see how it plays out. it does play part and parcel what's happening in the halls of congress. what we're hearing from former vice president mike pence, all fits together as the party continues to grapple w

cheney's fundraising was just above $2 million, so she has a lot of money to work with even if she is facing headwinds by her own party. >> we will see how it shakes out in the end. thank you. >>> former president donald trump and two of his children, don junior and ivanka will have to answer questions under oath. a judge denning their attempts to block the subpoenas by letitia james into their family businesses. in the ruling the judge noted the trumps would still be able to invoke their fifth amendment rights during their testimony, and eric plead the fifth more than 500 times when he was giving testimony back in november. with me now, former u.s. attorney, barbara mcquaid, and also msnbc legal analyst. let's talk about the decision from the judge. what is your take on the bid to block the subpoenas? >> there's an adage that says the government is entitled to every person's evidence by today's standards, and the only basis you have is privilege, and the trumps have that opportunity, and the idea that they don't have to show up for a deposition like everybody else would is absurd, an

they focused on the process of kinzinger and cheney being censured. they're being censured because they told the truth about what happened january 6th, and because they're telling the truth that they're worried that trump and those following him may be threatening future valid elections in the future. >> i'm wondering, progressive activists like yourself, watching this all happen. is there some enjoyment like they're shooting each other? or do you think i'm an american and i want this party to get its act together. >> i think it is a little of both. more probably the former than the latter. a couple things i find interesting. first, i think that the rnc is being very cheer of who they want their party to be. and i appreciate the transparency and honesty. i think mitch mcconnell is saying, oh, no, they're a people that are republicans that will need the vote to flip the house and the senate. >> people like charlie denial. >> exactly. and by cents urg them, i'm at risk of not becoming the leader of the senate. i don't think mitch mcconnell came out and

liz freaking cheney, the daughter of dick cheney, you know, is a rino and not republican enough and being censured and wanting to push her out? liz cheney. i mean, it makes absolutely no sense. and they're doing it for what? for a criminal mastermind who has no political or institutional, ideological grounding in the republican party, who used and turned that base for his own benefits and his own political and personal gain. >> it's not just a few far-right extremists anymore. that ideology clearly -- >> no. it's those in power afraid of losing their positions, who have put their political future much above the country. >> a pleasure to talk with you, ana navarro. thank you. >> thank you. >>> still to come, efforts continue to reach a 5-year-old boy who's been trapped in a well for four days. this is happening in morocco. we'll bring you the latest on the rescue after this. you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein.

liz cheney is somebody who's still on the ballot. adam kinzinger has decided not to seek reelection. but that is going to be a fascinating fascinating set of events. obviously not just from the dias, but much more the witnesses we expect them to bring. we know all the people taking the 5th, refusing subpoenas but we also know there are so many people close to the president who are there and involved who have given testimony voluntarily to this committee. >> some quietly. dana bash. always good to have you on. thank you so much. >> you too. >>> still ahead, outrage demands for more transparency in minneapolis after a police shooting resulted in a black man's death. what happened and why now the minnesota attorney general is stepping in. zero-commission trades for online u.s. stocks and etfs. and a commitment to get you the best price on every trade, which saved investors over $1.5 billion last year. that's decision tech. only from fidelity. seeing blood when you brush or floss can be a sign of early gum damage. new parodontax active g

the cheney brand say strong one. this will be a true testament. if this were to happen right now, she would almost certainly probably not win. i want to hedge this because we don't know what will happen over the coming months. the primary's not until the middle of august. but this is a challenge. one thing she cannot do -- you'll remember back in alaska. lisa murkowski lost her primary race and ran as an independent. that cannot happen in wyoming. if you lose a primary, you can't run as an independent in the general in wyoming. if she loses, do not expect she will give up this fight. this could very much be a center piece of a campaign for 2024. again, that's hard to imagine that that would be a popular view inside the party. but she has made this part of her mission now. it's more than a brand. it's her mission. we will see if it works. this is the big test for the republican party without a doubt. >> imagine if there was a national thing called a sore loser law. that would be interesting. jeff zeleny appreciate it. barbara comstock, thanks so mu

the cheney brand say strong one. this will be a true testament. if this were to happen right now, she would almost certainly probably not win. i want to hedge this because we don't know what will happen over the coming months. the primary's not until the middle of august. but this is a challenge. one thing she cannot do -- you'll remember back in alaska. lisa murkowski lost her primary race and ran as an independent. that cannot happen in wyoming. if you lose a primary, you can't run as an independent in the general in wyoming. if she loses, do not expect she will give up this fight. this could very much be a center piece of a campaign for 2024. again, that's hard to imagine that that would be a popular view inside the party. but she has made this part of her mission now. it's more than a brand. it's her mission. we will see if it works. this is the big test for the republican party without a doubt. >> imagine if there was a national thing called a sore loser law. appreciate it. >>> coming up, a verdict against attorney michael avenatti, who was a

. >> congresswoman cheney? >> that's up to cpac. i have been clear on my views on president trump and the extent following january 6th i don't believe he should be playing a role in the future of the party or the country. >> on that high note, thank y'all very much. >>> one year ago kevin mccarthy and liz cheney clearly were heading in opposite directions and that split is now complete as the minority leader endorses a primary challenger to the wyoming republican. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, february 18th. with us we have the host of "way too early" and white house bureau chief of "politico" jonathan lemire and "new york times" washington bureau chief elizabeth miller. joe, not surprising but extraordinary nevertheless that the man who could be the next speaker of the house is now endorsing an opponent to liz cheney in that raise in wyoming. >> yeah, you know, liz cheney from the very beginning separated herself -- i say from the very beginning. from certainly 2020 when covid started up, you had republicans

garrett, you talked to liz cheney today. tell us about it. >> well, i interviewed liz cheney and every question i asked her, she kept coming back to the same point that she wanted to make over and over again, which is, he would do it again. i thought it was interesting that's how your interview with congresswoman luria concluded too because i think cheney has been looking a step ahead in this process the whole time and it's not so much when you interview her that she's thinking about the details of what happened in the lead-up to january 6th and on that day so much as the fact that she believes, clearly, that donald trump remains a danger to behave in this way again, whether as a candidate, a nominee, or a future president. she also made it clear that she does not want this to be what republicans stand for. she's having both her role at kind of the tip of the spear here for the committee and a whole separate battle she's fighting almost entirely alone for what her party stands for and i think that's why we heard her keep com

guest: in terms of policy issues, liz cheney's actions are conservative. they are not aligned with democrats. it is in terms of democracy protection and pushing against authoritarianism where they are are aligned with democrats. and not parroting former president trump's false claims that he lost the election. those are the things that have become issues in the discourse. they are not likely to join the democratic party. there is a push among some house republicans in the freedom caucus to kick them out. house republican leaders have not been that interested in the effort. that would change officially the number of republicans in the house versus democrats. host: that sensor vote based on the work in january 6 committee. what is the latest that you are walk -- watching for with the january 6 committee? guest: they are going through witnesses. they talked about doing more public hearings but there is some indication that they may push that back. they maybe going through a sea of documents. you have documents that came from the national archives from january

liz cheney's challenger is below a million dollars. the fact they're changing the rules to flood party money in there. this is prove this is a trump grievance and he's calling the shots. >> he is calling the shots. and there could be long-term repercussions. part of the reason that there was pushback on throwing, you know, liz cheney and kinzinger out of the party is that the idea was like, well, what happens if some other republicans get out of line with trump, which happens very often. are they going to get thrown out of the party? that's why there was pushback, but now that this door is being opened so that you can, you know, raise money against republican incumbents, that is going to open the door to give trump even more power because what if somebody makes him very upset and he feels betrayed and he wants them to pay? now he can use the rnc to even more of that within the party. but at this point, basically the republicans who are there and are -- have the power, they are the ones who are, you know, with trump and that they are wi

both what liz cheney and kevin mccarthy are doing. >> thank you for your analysis. thanks so much. >>> and a quick programming note for you this presidents' day weekend. cnn is preparing a new series focusing on the life and presidency of lyndon baines johnson. you'll see how complicated the time was that he served. "lbj: triumph and tragedy" tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. >>> still 'head, a fist fight caught on camera. there's a question why the police pinned the black student to the ground and handcuffed him while the other student who was involved was on a couch nearby. itits non-habit forming and powered by the makers of nyquil. your rececord label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers qualityandidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/he ♪ i see trees of green ♪ ♪ red roses too♪ ♪ i see them bloom for mend you ♪ (music) ♪ so i think to myself ♪ ♪ oh what a wonderful world ♪ getting the incredible iphone 13 without t-mobile, - three...tw

a slightly less effusive proponent is kevin mccarthy whose caucus cheney and kinzinger belong to. he was asked about this on fox news and suggested those two will have a hard time coming back to the republican caucus. kinzinger is retiring, not running for re-election. cheney is running for re-election and faced what is likely to be a very difficult primary in the state of wisconsin. there has been sharp criticism, sharp pushback to the rnc, particularly the move to brand january 6th as legitimate political discourse. that includes from senator mitt romney of utah, who said shame falls upon a party who would censure people trying to seek truth and justice. he praised kinzinger and cheney for being willing to investigate january 6th at personal political cost to them. murkowski, you mentioned, is another critic of the resolution that trump is supporting. murkowski facing re-election in alaska. this could be a political risk to her, but she said she feels the need to speak out, and she said january 6th cannot legitimized, and then the great majority of republicans who based on my re

. >>> the top republican in the house wants his fellow republican liz cheney out of congress. kevin mccarthy is putting its support behind cheney's trump-backed rival for wyoming's congressional seat. and it's definitely not common for leadership to get involved in primary races against sitting members, but mccarthy is taking a gamble. he hopes the move will win trump's favor and win him the speakership if republicans take back the house. here's how the house majority leader is defending his endorsement. >> wyoming deserves to have a representative who will deliver the accountability against this biden administration. not a representative they have today that works closer with nancy pelosi going after republicans instead of stopping these radical democrats for what they're doing to this country. >> and we have our panel with us. manu raju, alex burns and mj lee. so manu, you know, this probably doesn't come as a surprise to many people on the hill. kevin mccarthy has not stood up for liz cheney in any way, but still he's stepping in to a -- what's going to be a pretty bloody p

there are others, of course, like liz cheney, who believe that there should be some sort of reckoning as a result of this. thank you very much to david willis. china and russia have announced a new partnership, hailed by president putin as an "unprecedented pact of cooperation". china says it'll back russia's foreign policy aims, and says it supports russian demand that nato halt its expansion. xijinping and vladimir putin held talks hours before the official opening of the winter olympics in beijing, with the low—key ceremony held amid concerns about covid and a diplomatic boycott over human rights abuses. from beijing, robin brant reports. china's capital city, an olympic host for the second time. the bird's nest stadium, built for 2008, is still glorious. but there's a different man in charge now and it feels very different in 2022. xijinping promised a safe, efficient games. for most people in beijing tonight, this is the closest they're gonna get to the opening ceremony of the olympic games — watching it on a roadside near the stadium or on a walkway over the motorway. we're

cheney and mr. kinzinger and accusing them of, quote, persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate, political discourse. that's the front page of the "new york times." on the inside part of this article on the jump, representative kevin mccarthy of ocalifornia, the house minority leader defended on tuesday telling a cnn reporter that it was meant to condemn the house committee's targeting of conservatives who were no where near washington on january 6th and had nothing to do with either the attack or the broader effort to overturn the 2020 election. the censure pushed by allies of former president donald trump was just over one page long but it has sent republicans into turmoil exposing the party while underscoring how it is guilty to mr. trump continues to define everything it does. it has disrupted efforts by congressional republicans to turn the page from january 6th and focus on what they see as the failings of president biden and the democratic party in an election year. 202 is the ar

in response congresswoman cheney tweeted this video of the attack on the capitol. this was january 6th, cheney wrote. this is not, quote, legitimate political discourse. after the resolution passed, the rnc put out a statement insisting they weren't referring to the violence at the capitol as legitimate political discourse, despite the words of its resolution, but it's unclear what ordinary citizens it refers to kinzinger and cheney persecuting if not those at the capitol. we've asked but haven't heard a clarification about who or what they were talking about. >> jonathan karl live in washington. jon, thank you. >>> now to the pandemic and a grim few milestone tonight. this evening more than 900,000 lives lost to the virus in this country, almost two years to the day the first death was reported. but there are new signs tonight that we could be turning the corner. and the new study on masks -- n-95s, surgical masks and the ones made of cloth and how much protection each provides. here's whit johnson. >> reporter: tonight, the country passing another unthinkable mil

you don't believe me, ask liz cheney or adam kinzinger. maybe he saw the writing on the wall, perhaps. you remember the words from hamilton? never going to be president now. maybe he thought he might as well tell the truth because that is what all of this is about. finally getting to the truth. that is what the committee on january 6th is working so hard to do. today there is more from the committee. cnn has learned exclusively newly obtained records show jim jordan, you know his name, it would come up somewhere in all of this, right? jim jordan got a call from then president on the morning of january 6th. this was a ten-minute call before jordan took to the house floor to object to the certification of joe biden's electoral college win and before trump supporting rioters attacked the capitol. this is huge. the call logs from the white house are part of the documents turned over to the committee from the national archives. you know the ones from the former president that he fought so hard to keep secret. jim jordan claims he really doesn't