in short rudy giuliani's grubby fing irs are on it all. well, now news that he is in talks to potentially cooperate with the january 6 select commit tee. from "the new york times" rudy giuliani who's former president trump's lawyer helped lead the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. in discussions with the house january 6 committee about responding to itsds questions. giuliani has signaled to the committee that he plans to take a less confrontational stance toward its requests than some other members of trump's inner circle fighting the subpoenas or have otherwise refused to cooperate. "the times" cites reasons why giuliani might be inclined to cooperate and other members of the inner circle risk prosecution by obstructing the january 6 probe. namely the fact that he is currentfully a whole lot of expensive legal hot water. sued to the tune of $1.2 billion of dominion. the law libs suspended by a new york court in june. an attorney for giuliani declined to comment and while "the times" notes that the conversations are quot

right next to julie -- rudy giuliani. circled in yellow. on the morning of the six that donald trump's rally, john eastman got up on stage and repeated lies about the election fraud and lead out with trump's team was ordering mike pence to do. >> all we are demanding from the vice president pence is this afternoon at 1:00. he let the legislatures of the state look into this so we get to the bottom of it and the american people know whether we have control of the direction of our government or not. [inaudible] we no longer live in a self governing republic. if we can't get the answer to this question. this is bigger than president trump. it is a very essence of our republican form of government and it has to be done. and anybody that is not willing to stand up to do it does not deserve to be in the office. it's that simple! >> susie actually write about all that, just on the wrong side of it? it was about the essence of the republican form of government. and just hours later as police were still working to clear and secure the capitol after

and, you know, i think that rudy giuliani, do not underestimate him. i know in recent years, he came across as kind of a crackpot, but he spent many years working for the southern district of new york and he knows how this works. he prosecuted mafia families. he knows about exchanging information for cooperation for leniency. and so i think that he is in a very good position to try to leverage this opportunity to testify for leniency in his own criminal cases. don't forget, also, that the justice department has already seized 18 of his electronic devics from his office. so they have that information to confront him with. he is in a very tough spot in that case. so he could negotiate a situation whereby he agrees to cooperate to the committee as well as to the justice department in any investigation it may be or will be undertaking with regard to the whole january 6th overturning of the elections. so i think that there is a strategic reason for him to cooperate, and i think he is well aware of it. >> and barbara, i'm just wondering, the fact that he was

>> it really just demands on what rudy giuliani wants to say. history do not bode well for rudy giuliani having a penchant for the truth. he was spreading all sorts of lies. he was the face of the lie that president trump had been cheated out of the election. it is clear that rudy giuliani is not interested in a big, expensive legal fight over the subpoena but i'm not holding my breath that rudy giuliani is going to come into the committee and talk at length about all the different ways that he and former president trump and this band of legal advisers that president trump had at the time, how they were trying to overturn the election, what their strategy was. it is interesting that rudy giuliani is at least in talks with the committee. it's not going to be did he show up. what did he tell lawmakers? did he substantively answer their questions? it's really unclear at this point. >> call her cynical but if her prediction turns out to be right, which based on history, still giuliani potentially testifying may be an indication of him waning. what d

>> yeah, i wouldn't bet on rudy giuliani showing up until we see him there and i interpreted that as to get him a little on the hook. look, whether or not rudy giuliani shows up, we have learned a lot and i was sceptical, while supportive of the january 6th, committee was sceptical they would learn much more than we already know but they're clearly doing that and if you're rudy giuliani it's not just you want to be in the news and flirt with this option, also realize steve bannon will likely go to jail for not referring this committee, they in fact indicted him so this isn't just show up in you want to, the full force of the law is behind it and as somebody who worked in the house a long time i think that's good they're enforcing subpoenas. there are real legal implications and i imagine what happened to steve bannon is weighing heavily on his mind. >> it's interesting, mark meadows, in particular, we learned a lot of what took place in the lead up to january 6th and the hours on january 6th, text messages back and forth and so forth without even testimony and i spoke with quade and

giuliani has earned in his lifetime since all of rudy giuliani's lies about the voting machines are on video, the likelihood of dominion bankrupting rudy giuliani's high. in fact, rudy giuliani's lawyers fees could bankrupt him before dominion is able to win a judgment against him, defying a congressional subpoena in court, could involve attorneys fees that rudy giuliani might not be able to pay. joining us now, tim o'brien, senior columnist and author of the book trump nation. tim, you literally wrote the book about the trump businesses. so to see in this letter from the trump accountants today, the name matt calimari junior, and the apartment that was gifted to him, apparently by donald trump, that is the stumbling point that they have been trying to get answers to for months and at the same time the prosecutors are trying to get answers about that apartment. >> and wet mazars is saying is they believe they won't get the answer. i think what we can infer from that is that they believe that trump is either willingly misleading them or lying to them, the whatever the case may be the

giuliani has earned in his lifetime since all of rudy giuliani's lies about the voting machines are on video, the likelihood of dominion bankrupting rudy giuliani's high. in fact, rudy giuliani's lawyers fees could bankrupt him before dominion is able to win a judgment against him, defying a congressional subpoena in court, could involve attorneys fees that rudy giuliani might not be able to pay. joining us now, tim o'brien, senior columnist and author of the book trump nation. tim, you literally wrote the book about the trump businesses. so to see in this letter from the trump accountants today, the name matt calimari junior, and the apartment that was gifted to him, apparently by donald trump, that is the stumbling point that they have been trying to get answers to for months and at the same time the prosecutors are trying to get answers about that apartment. >> and wet mazars is saying is they believe they won't get the answer. i think what we can infer from that is that ty believe that trump is either willingly misleading them or lying to them, the whatever the case may be they

whether or not rudy giuliani shows up, we have learned a lot. i will say i was skeptical while i was supportive of the january 6th committee, i was skeptical they were going to learn much more than we didn't already know, but clearly, they're doing that. if you're rudy giuliani, it's not just wanting to be in the news and flirt with this notion. you also have to realize, steve bannon is potentially going to go to jail for not showing up for a subpoena with this committee. they referred him to doj. there was an -- in fact, they indicted him. so this isn't just you show up if you want to. the full force of the law is behind it. as somebody who worked in the house for a long time, it's good they're enforcing subpoenas. there are real legal implications, and i imagine seeing what happened to steve bannon is weighing heavily on his mind. >> it's interesting because we have learned so much from document drops. mark meadows in particular, we learned a lot of what took place in the lead-up to january 6th and what took place in the hours on january 6th,

rudy giuliani is going to testify. he said all of that. i mean isn't he just going to say the same thing to the committee? what kind of nonsense should the committee expect to hear? >> you know, don, when people talk about testimony, they see it as this sort of all or nothing thing where either someone's going to come and testify from a big hearing or get hauled off in handcuffs. you know, there's a world of ways that rudy giuliani can engage with the committee, from interviews and private or depositions, transcribed interviews or so on. there's a lot they can get out of him even if it's not specifically -- look, they can press him on these statements made at the four seasons hotel, i believe? >> no, four seasons landscaping. >> oh, pardon me. >> four seasons hotel is very nice in philly. but the four seasons landscaping, i'm not so sure. i don't know. >> i stand corrected. so they can press him on that, but there's a world of other information they can get from him, namely about the president's whereabouts, conversations the president had

there's been reporting that rudy giuliani has been a part of many of these conversations. if rudy giuliani were actually to come before the committee and actually provide information, it would be extremely crucial for the committee. this would be a very good get. giuliani is theying there will be cooperation with the committee, but we don't know what cooperation means. does that mean he's going to continue to drag on negotiations with the committee? is he actually going to come and be deposed if he were to be te deposed an would he actually give answers to the committee? there are still a lot of questions afoot on how this will take place and what happens next, chris. >> i think she's making the right point, jake. adam kinzinger said that's our expectation, but what is the meaning of the word cooperation? what are you hearing? >> that's exactly right. cooperating as kinzinger said, he's under subpoena, he must come and talk to the committee, period. that's number one. two, the -- >> but if he says i take the fifth, i take the fifth -- >> right. if he says nothing, it's not

like i, rudy giuliani is facing mounting lawsuits and expenses. this former clients refused to pay him. he's in both financial and legal trouble. his reputation, per his monologue onstage, not great. he undoubtedly knows all sorts of information that would be helpful to the january six committee investigation, so what exactly -- giuliani was scheduled to appear for deposition for the panel last tuesday. they allowed him to reschedule his request. we don't know yet when the new date will be said, but for now it appears he does plan to testify, which could be pretty huge for the investigation. again, blow to the -- the broadwater's -- one of the reporters digging into giuliani's plan to testify, nicholas wu and the political reporter -- they both join me. look. let's start with you. when we know about the level of communication and wet his posture has been towards the company and also, why? >> right, so a lawyer for mr. giuliani has been in discussions for days with the lawyers for the january six committee. they were trying to iron out exactly how

let's start with rudy giuliani. i understand your committee was supposed to have a deposition with him yesterday. it was cancelled and rescheduled. why? and when will you be talking to him? >> well, of course we think that rudy giuliani is somebody who has lots of information relative to what was going on in trump world and the schemes and plots. i'm not going to talk about specific individuals, when they are coming, when they might come but he's got a lot of information that is important to our investigation and whether we get that directly from him or the people surrounding him, it really does inform what happened on january 6th and leading up to january 6th. sdm >> now that you heard the new reporting about trying to get the actual voting machine, what's your biggest question for rudy giuliani? >> well, i say there's lot of questions. how many iterations of plots that have been hatched and reported first, second, third hand about voting machine, who was going to take them, where, which company. all of it is showi

welcome change. >>> rudy giuliani is officially living the surreal life. he's reportedly doing reality tv as a contestant on fox's the masked singer and, well, it is not going well. reportedly two judges, ken yong and robin thicke walked offset after he unmasked himself during a taping. his in current violation of lobbying laws and facing a january 6 subpoena and finding time for clownery and he's not alone. reality tv is a go-to for conservatives trying to rehab their image. sean spicer went on dancing with the stars after getting bounced as trump's press secretary. ♪♪ >> it was absurd. but that didn't stop trump from tweeting support telling people to vote for spicer. rick perry was in the political wilderness when he went on the show. for step ball changing into the administration is trump's energy secretary. politico reporting on the pattern of republicans doing reality tv while democrats avoid it. quote, prominent liberal politicians would face a penalty from voters if they skipped straight from government office to goofy reality shows. on the rig

what level of cooperation might rudy giuliani give? >> reporter: alex, there's a lot to unpack here. i want to start first with a response to this report by a select committee aide that they provided to nbc news. they say, quote, mr. giuliani's appearance was rescheduled at his request. he remains under subpoena and the select committee expects him to cooperate fully. we know hundreds of witnesses have cooperated with the committee, but people in trump's inner circle like steve bannon and mark meadows have been willing to face criminal charges for refusing to testify before the committee. the big question is why would someone like rudy giuliani, who is extremely close to the president, be willing to comply and speak to them? "the times" reports it could be because he's trying to avoid possible expensive legal fees and trying to not comply with the subpoena or it could be that he's trying to skirt possible contempt charges if he decides not to speak in the long run. but alex, if he does, this could be the committee's biggest breakthroug

rudy giuliani may be willing to testify after all, and under oath. but only about the bogus big lie of election fraud. the source said giuliani doesn't intend to waive executive or attorney/client privilege, so you got to wonder what has changed since just last month when rudy giuliani was subpoenaed and his attorney said he didn't intend to provide information. why is a guy who spread wild, wild accusations about hugo chavez, george soros, antifa, and black lives matter, why is he reconsidering testifying? >> you couldn't possibly believe that the company counting our vote with control over our vote is owned by two venezuelans who were allies of chavez, are present allies of maduro, with a company whose chairman is a close associate and business partner of george soros, the biggest donor to the democrat party, the biggest donor to ant antifa and black lives matter. >> she got in the whole shebang. what is going on? what is happening when people start -- why are these people doing this? why do they do that? why do some of you watching believe this cr

ali, there's a lot to learn from testimony from rudy giuliani. what do we know? >> that's right, yasmin. this "new york times" story broke overnight, and at least two committee members have already reacted to this development, which in the grand scheme of things could be the committee's biggest breakthrough because as you said, rudy giuliani played a huge role in trying to overturn those 2020 election results. we actually heard from a committee aide in a statement reacting to this times report, saying, quote, mr. giuliani's appearance was rescheduled at his request. he remains under subpoena and the select committee expects him to cooperate fully. we know hundreds of witnesses are cooperating with the committee's investigation, but people inside trump's inner circle, people like former aide steve bannon, former white house chief of staff mark meadows, have refused to comply and have been willing to face possible criminal charges for doing so. so it begs the question, why would someone like rudy giuliani, who is extremely close to the former president, be willing

this is rudy giuliani and his unraveling theorys after the election. take a look. >> the call for joe biden, who was it called by? oh, my goodness. all the networks. wow! all the networks. we have to forget about the law. judges don't count. this is real. it is not made up. there's nobody here that engages in fantasies. if we're wrong, we will be made fools of. but if we're right, a lot of them will go to jail. [ applause ] so let's have trial by combat. >> that was on january 6th shortly before the goons invaded the capitol with a noose to hang the vice president of the united states. i think you made a good point, kirk. this is a sinister figure, not a person that should be normalized if a game show type television show. and i guess that's why those two celebrity judges walked off, because this is somebody who engaged in a serious criminal conspiracy to steal an election. it's shocking, but not surprising that he is still treated like he's some formal guy that you can book to sing songs. it is outrageous. your thoughts? >> again, i have to applaud fi

. >> rudy giuliani took off the mask. what do they have him -- >> we don't note details of what he dressed up as. the point is this, this show, which dresses people up in these koscostumes and they sing songsd they try to guess who they are, they put rudy yagiuliani on. he's contributed to two impeachments and he actively publicly in front of the whole world tried to overturn an election. >> yeah. >> and they have him singing and dancing. >> they did. the other person i mentioned did similar, not as much as rudy giuliani, but contributes to the misinformation in the country, the lies in the country, the gas lighting of america. but rudy giuliani is actively involved in the investigation now, the overthrow of the government, right? i think it is -- look, again, fox's decision. but it is was not smart. i don't know if i would have walked off. >> so, god bless robin thicke, which may be a statement i never make again -- >> i like robin thicke. >> i don't know who he is. alan thicke's son? "growing pains" is a great show. can

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who could we get to cause people to tune in, and somehow they landed on rudy giuliani. does rudy have pipes and we don't know it? i guess we'll find out, question mark. i'm horribly embarrassed about how curious about what song giuliani performed. it wasn't a very good performance, so at least we have that going for us that, yes, rudy giuliani was invited on to try to launder his reputation much as he has tried to launder lies through the court saying donald trump won the election, but much like the courts, he got his stuff back into his face and i'm sure that we're going to see many, many clips of him being kicked off the show when that episode airs. i am very curious to see what the ratings look like, and i really -- i just -- how do you get to rudy? who was going through their phone rolodex and be like, ah, i got rudy giuliani's number. we should call him. >> kimberly, your thought on this? how do you take someone like rudy giuliani and try to, as hayes was staying, launder his image or repurpose his image by day overthrowing our democracy, by night singing to americ

i'm horribly embarrassed about how curious about what song rudy giuliani performed. i'm glad -- spoiler alert -- he gets kicked off first. it wasn't a very good performance. so, at least we have that going for us that, yes, rudy giuliani was invited on to try to launder his reputation, much as he has tried to launder lies through the court saying donald trump won the election. but much like the courts, he got his stuff back into his face and i'm sure that we're going to see many, many clips of him being kicked off the show when that episode airs. i am very curious to see what the ratings look like. and i really -- i just -- how do you get to rudy? who's going through their phone rolodex -- i mean, like, ah, i got giuliani's number. we should call him. >> kimberly, your thought on this? how do you take someone like rudy giuliani and try to, as hayes was staying, launder his image or repurpose his image by day overthrowing our democracy, by night singing to millions of americans in front of their tv? >> i think it's an example of the maxim that we began this hour with

listen, rudy giuliani only wants to help as much as it benefits him. he has not been treated all that well by the trump team in the last few years. at least, if you believe what's been written about the relationship and books. whether be refusing to pay him. reasonably, giuliani's loyalty only go so far, it has to end at some point. if it means he might get in trouble, then look for him to maybe enter into some kind of deal and save his own skin. after all, rudy giuliani like everyone else in the world doesn't have limitless money. he's got to either pay lawyers forever or eventually do something to benefit himself. >> fernandez, this could mean a major breach in the relationship with trump. do you agree with it being an attempt to save his own skin? >> no question, i think the committee could anticipate a lot more substantive testimony from danny's beautiful daughter than from rudy giuliani. he's got a tremendous credibility problem, as we've seen. just a half statements, mistrust, outright lies. even when the other defamation suits either middle he's

so he turned to rudy giuliani, the same bag man he used in ukraine. the guy who got him impeached the first time while he was trying to dig up dirt on the bidens. this little detail to me is profoundly revealing. why doesn't the president call the guy a dhs? why doesn't he go through normal liaison's at the white house? because he knows it's wrong. he's gotta get his dirty tricks to do it. because it's evidence of guilty conscience and corrupt intent. if the president, ex president, thought when he was doing was legit, he could've called the dhs himself, he was the president, but he knew, he knew seizing the voting machines was lawless possibly criminal. something had no authority to, so he sent rudy. go safe he can take care of that? his personal lawyer to take care of the dirty work. and while giuliani made the call even giuliani had his limits short of what trump swear. quote, mr. giuliani was vehemently opposed to the idea of the military taking part in the seizing -- seizure of machines. yeah. i think that sounds like a bad idea to. you see some

and i might point out here that all roads lead to rudy giuliani. all of them. he was the ringleader of this circus. and when you think about that phone call you reference to senator, i don't know, i think he called someone and thought it was senator -- because i think he called the wrong person, he made that call after we had witnessed a fog mob attacked the police officers as our capital. break windows, stabbed police officers with flagpoles, attack them with chemicals, try to break in the house of representatives and chanting to hang the vice president. after that happen, rudy giuliani was making calls to senator saying okay, you're gonna reconvene at 8:00, hold everything, don't do it. we've got a plan. a fraudulent plan. so, rudy giuliani is really going to be the key player in this thing whether it's him threatening without any reason the people in michigan could do false electors. or whether it's him actually calling senators after the insurrection to try to get them to do the big lie bidding. >> neal katyal, can rudy giuliani try to make a kind of global

and rudy giuliani says he is ready to testify before the january 6th committee. what is trump's long time lawyer willing to share? "outfront," breaking news here on the ground in ukraine. the united states is saying an attack by russia could happen at any moment. the secretary of state antony blinken calling it a dramatic acceleration in the build-up of russian forces. here's the pentagon press sect john kirby. >> we have said for a while that military action could happen any day. i won't get into a specific date. i don't think that would be smart. i would just tell you that it is entirely possible that he could move with little to no warning. >> little to no warning. that's what some people here tell me they fear most. one woman telling me, it harkens back to what happened in crimea. she said of course i'm scared. to add to the sense of fearful the united states announcing today, it is closing the embassy in kyiv, sparking worry worldwide and sending the dow index down nearly 200 points as the pentagon issues this warning as well. >> even over the last 24 to 48,

rudy giuliani called homeland security about seizing those machines. dhs said the agency did not have the authority to do so. "the new york times" zeroing in on a december 18th meeting in which general michael flynn and lawyer sidney powell discussed having the military seize the voting machines. the move would have been unprecedented and, according to the military and experts, an illegal order. the tooims pointing out that convened under unusual circumstances with granting access to the oval office. >> i waved in general flynn and sidney powell on the 18th on the friday night of the 18th, for which mark meadows provoked my desk privileges. and the reason why i did that is because i was just so frustrated with the current counsel he was getting. >> peter navorro himself a admitting here on "the beat" he tried to overturn the election. dst there's documents about briefings about the certification of the election that could shed light on a flurry of meetings this took place leading up to january 6th. what we're seeing is a consistent intent to steal the

the same rudy giuliani channeling braveheart. >> let's have trial by combat. >> that rudy giuliani. in this case it seems a voice of reason. the one who reportedly said no at least to one especially dire option the former president was exploring. now the episode is contained in this newtimes reporting that as i mentioned adds to cnn's reporting from last night that there were these two executive orders drafted on seizing voting machines, won involving the department of homeland security in addition to the ones we know about from the defense department. the "new york times" says the oformer president to call the department of security to ask them if they could legally take control of the machines in swing states. ken kukoc nell ply who said according to "the times" that homeland security officials could not take part in the plan. both the times and cnn reported a the time on the call, but not that it came at the former president's direction. according to "the times," it came shortly plans were abandoned to order the pentagon to do it, plans one of the plotters floated publicly at the

rudy giuliani, the president's former attorney is apparently speaking to the committee in some form. is he being cooperative at this point? what can you tell us about that? >> well, what i can tell you is he has been subpoenaed. our expectation is he is going to cooperate because that is the law and the requirement. there may be some changes in dates and moments here as lawyers do their back and forth, but we fully expect in accordance with the law, we'll hear from rudy giuliani. regardless of when we hear from rudy giuliani, we're getting a lot of information, and we're looking forward to wrapping this up when that is right, showing it to the american people, but not russia not rushing this. i have a new son, i want to make sure in five or 10 years when he is learning about this in history class that he gets the full answer and no some conspiracy garbage. >> brennan: is the plan to end the hearings in the spring? >> spring or summer is the timeframe. we want to take this information and present it to the american people not just in a report, which is going to be essential, but in pe

and his personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, had been spreading all sorts of conspiratorial nonsense about the voting machines for weeks. falsely claiming that the voting machines rig the election for biden.

giuliani was a contestant. >> if you liked rudy giuliani on "the masked singer," you will love him on "naked and seditious, traitor island." a new giuliani flown to an uninhabited island, and then we leave him there. that's it. that's the show. what will happen? will he succumb to the elements or be covered in poisonous snakes desperately crying out to god to end his suffering? will a wild boar take an amorous interest? don't know, don't care. in fact, we're not even sending cameras because this isn't actually a show, just something we did and thought you might enjoy. no food, no shelter, no wine. "naked and seditious, traitor island," and coming soon to fox, the "floor is actual lava," starring ted cruz. >> announcer: it's "the late show" with stephen colbert! tonight, the masked man and valentine's day first draft! stephen welcomes dua lipa and musical guest 2 chainz, featuring jon batiste and "stay human." and now, live on tape from the ed sullivan theater in new york city, it's stephen colbert! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: whey! whoa! snuck up on me! did you see that? hello

so, yes, rudy giuliani is in one of the costumes. he is one of the individuals that is unmasked in the first episode. and when he took -- we don't know what song he sang. we don't know what the costume was. john, when he took the head of his costume off, that's when robin thicke and ken stormed off the set. eventually, they did come back. we don't know if any words were exchanged. a representative for the show on fox said they don't comment on upcoming episodes on the show. we reached out for comment. this episode was called the good, the bad, and the cuddly. perhaps that's the theme for the entire season. the other judges, jenny mccarthy and jenny schirzinger were there. they said the good and the bad is the theme of the season. john. >>. chloe, were going for shock s, value, or are they ignorant to the kind of person they were putting in? >> reporter: it's all about shock value, brianna. they want to put people on the show that are going to make headlines, get people to talk about it. but he is an incredibly polarizing and controve

and do rudy giuliani and the committee have. two different definitions what cooperating actually is? >> i think that's possible, hallie. i would treat any reports of cooperating very skeptically. what we have so far are discussions between giuliani's counsel and the committee if and when and how he might be able to come in. that's the kind of thing that can be useful to somebody who is talking to the committee to keep away a possible, you know, contempt charge later on. by engaging at all, you leave open the possibility and you draw things out. when it comes to giuliani, he's been somebody publicly critical of the report before and takes great pains to describe him as donald trump's personal lawyer, the use of attorney/client privilege or perhaps exercising his fifth amendment rights i think would be well within the realm of things that we should expect if and when giuliani gets in the room with the committee. and i don't think we should expect that anytime soon. >> you also got new reporting, garrett, on the january 6th by numb

"new york times" reported that donald trump personally directed his lawyer rudy giuliani to call the head of homeland security to ask that agency to orchestrate the seizing of voting machines in multiple states. the times says that donald trump also made the ask personally to a different department. another one entirely. in an oval office meeting trump reportedly asked attorney general william barr to have the justice department go seize voting machines. and just tonight, "politico" has published some of the emails passing around these draft executive orders, in mid december 2020. the email chain includes trump's ex-national security adviser michael flynn, rudy giuliani, the pal of rudy giuliani, the former disgraced new york city police commissioner bernard caric who was working with the legal team. the meta data on the draft order by the pentagon suggests it was created by someone who was not on the email chain, get this, a news anchor from a far right pro trump tv network moon looting with giuliani's crack legal team. make of that what you will. the point is, they were really focu

. >> so what do you think now is behind these reports that rudy giuliani will cooperate? >> in a word, wishful thinking. he certainly should. he's a former u.s. attorney. he got a subpoena. you show up, raise your right hand and tell the whole truth. but if you look carefully at the reporting, alisyn, i really do think there's a little bit of hopeful kind of posturing there. >> why? what are you reading? >> what we really know -- the only thing we really know is his attorney has been kind of nice in the latest overture where he got the postponement. now, remember, there have been 18 witnesses who have spurned the committee and giuliani is probably calculating they'll take whatever they can get, including possibly not having to be deposed and be subject to perjury. also he is -- i don't dispute what michael cohen is saying. moreover, there appears to be a real fight about fees and this could be a little bit of a move there. but giuliani is dripping with potential criminal liability. the whole forgery gate is what they call a hub and spoke conspiracy. he's the hub and the d

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the same rudy giuliani channelling braveheart. >> let's have trial by combat. >> that rudy giuliani. in this case it seems a voice of reason. the episode is contained in the new times reporting that there were two orders drafted on seizing voting machines. the "new york times" says the former president called to ask them if the department could legally take control of the machines in swing states. giuliani did call and they said according to the times that homeland security officials could not take part in the plan. both reported on the call but not that it came at the former president's direction. it came shortly after plans were abandoned to order the pentagon to do it. >> he could immediately seize every one of the machines around the country on his order and also order the -- within the swing states if he wanted to he could take military capabilities and place them in the states and basically re-run an election in each of those states. >> that guy used to be a respected general. talking about the military going in to swing states and re-running an election. mr. giuliani was oppos

or you've got to get those bottom teeth fixed, from rudy giuliani. or don't try to fish your penis out in front of a "borat" film crew, from rudy giuliani. and so far-- ( cheers and applause ) hey, guys. and so far, none of these goons are in jail. or disbarred. but that could change... is what i tell myself every night when my head hits the pillow. the january 6th committee is lucky they're learning any of this, because some of the white house records turned over to them had to be taped back together by national archives staff because they had been ripped up. sounds like during the pandemic, the people at the national archives also got into puzzles: "okay, it's fun. i start with the corners, then i do the sides. ooh! got a ketchup stain here. wait, i saw another one. here's another red one. oh, the reds don't match. wait, this is from march 21. that's a taco tuesday. th ia!" w, iviolathe presidential recorct to tearbuta very good reason: he was afraid of going to jail. also, he was known inside the white house for his habit of tearing presidential r

the new york times reported that donald trump personally directed his lawyer rudy giuliani to ask the head of some homeland security to ask that agency to orchestrate this easing of voting machines and multiple states. the time said that donald trump also made the ask personally to a different apartment, another one entirely! in an oval office meeting, trump reportedly asked attorney general william barr to have the justice department go seize voting machines. just tonight, political has published some of the emails passing around these dropped executive orders in mid december, 2020. the email chain includes trump's ex national security adviser michael flynn, rudy giuliani, the palace of rudy giuliani, the former disgraced commissioner bernard kerik, who was also working with trump's legal team. we should know that political reports that the metadata on the draft executive order to the pentagon suggests that it was created by somebody who is not even on the email chain, get this, a news anchor from a far-right pro trump tv network who was moonlighting with giuliani's crack legal team.

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the new york times reported that donald trump personally directed his lawyer rudy giuliani to ask the head of some homeland security to ask that agency to orchestrate this easing of voting machines and multiple states. the time said that donald trump also made the ask personally to a different department, another one entirely! in an oval office meeting, trump reportedly asked attorney general william barr to have the justice department go seize voting machines. just tonight, politico has published some of the emails passing around these dropped executive orders in mid december, 2020. the email chain includes trump's ex national security adviser michael flynn, rudy giuliani, the palace of rudy giuliani, the former disgraced commissioner bernard kerik, who was also working with trump's legal team. we should know that political reports that the metadata on the draft executive order to the pentagon suggests that it was created by somebody who is not even on the email chain, get this, a news anchor from a far-right pro trump tv network who was moonlighting with giuliani's crack legal team.

he directed his attorney rudy giuliani to make a remarkable call. mr. trump wanted him to ask the department of homeland security if it could legally take control of voting machines in key swing states. what does this say about the former president's direct involvement here and how does that -- how has that impacted by the doj's current probe now? >> well, what's so interesting, bri bianna, is folks who have been watching this develop, it is common sense this was directed by the former president. he's the one talking about this, he's the person seemingly pushing it. that is different from saying there is evidence you can bring into a courtroom to prove he was directing this. so now we're starting to hear about what might be evidence of that. so that's what's so crucial. what is also really interesting to me is that if the reporting is correct, this is the first time that rudy giuliani seems to maybe be breaking from the former president and pointing the finger at him. if rudy giuliani now is going to come clean about what happened and tell us about thos

. >>> rudy giuliani in talks to testify before the january 6th committee, according to sources. one of former president trump's closest advisers who pushed false claims about the election. what we're learning tonight. >>> outrage over an alleged attack on a black fedex driver in mississippi as he tried to make a delivery. a white man and his father arrested and charged. accused of chasing him in a pickup truck and shooting at him. >>> tonight in beijing, making olympic history. american erin jackson takes gold. becoming the first black woman ever to medal in speed skating. her inspiring story tonight. >>> good evening, everyone. thanks so much for joining us on this busy sunday. i'm linsey davis. we begin tonight with the breaking news on the crisis in ukraine. and the intensifying threat of invasion. one u.s. official says russian action could come at any time. after speaking with the president of ukraine today, president biden said the u.s. would respond swiftly and decisively if russia attacks. an estimated 130,000 russian troops are now on ukraine's border, conducting live e

number two, mark meadows is different than rudy giuliani because rudy never had an official position with the government. so it makes it really hard. the president is the incumbent, generally the one that decides executive privilege. president biden has said there is no executive privilege over this stuff. i think that's going nowhere. you separately have attorney/client privilege and rudy to some extent is a lawyer. as representative raskin pointed out earlier when he tried to speak with giuliani, there are limits to attorney/client privilege. look, it is probably generous to say rudy's counsel could be construed as privileged or legal, but i suspect he can try to make those arguments, but there are any number of exceptions to that. as you say, ari, trying to launch a coup is not something that is privileged in any system of law which i am familiar. >> there. we have neil's hot take on that legal breakdown. i want to go to the hot tea, juanita. specifically let's say that you are supportive of white supremacist terrorism, you look at january 6th as a day to root that on, which sadly

a top item of discussion is rudy giuliani's refusal to show up for his deposition. leann caldwell, jeremy peters. great to see you and congratulations on the new amazing book. leann, there's this closed door happening, what are they going to do next? while this is happening, we're getting this new reporting about essentially how the president went dark right after his speech during the insurrection at the capitol. what do we know about that? and of course what they're talking about behind those closed doors. >> what we know about that gap is that there is, in fact, a gap. so after the former president spoke at the rally on the ellipse, there's several hours where there are no phone call records, despite the fact we know publicly that he spoke with at least two people. one of them is gop leader kevin mccarthy. the other was senator tommy tubberville. those phone records are not in the documents that the committee has received from the national archives. we don't know why. it could be because the president -- former president was using his cell phone and it was not do

and his name is rudy giuliani. [ moans ] right? that's what i said. the guy trying to destroy our country? he's singing on a show! [ moans ] according to "deadline," when rudy was unmasked at a taping of the show last week, two of the judges, ken jeong and robin thicke, were so outraged, they walked off the set. [ applause ] good. the only people who should be unmasking rudy giuliani is the gang from "scooby doo." "now let's find out who the real traitor is!" fox isn't releasing details about which character was rudy. if you look at it, it's not hard to figure out. these are the contestants. zoom in there. that's obviously him, right? those are miss his real teeth. how does this even happen? i mean, a lot of people at fox had to sign off on this. not one of them was like, "hey, maybe we shouldn't have the guy who is under investigation for helping to plot an insurrection singing on our show"? and this isn't the first time they've done something like this, remember season one? >> take it off! >> whoo! [ laughter ] >> jimmy: you remember season two? >>

plus, rudy giuliani's reporting attempt to commandeer voting machines. the anti vaxxer who just took a capital riot plea deal, and subpoena -- th

or you've got to get those bottom teeth fixed, from rudy giuliani. or don't try to fish your penis out in front of a "borat" film crew, from rudy giuliani. and so far-- ( cheers and applause ) hey, guys. >> jon: hello. >> stephen: and so far, none of these goons are in jail or disbarred. but that could change... is what i tell myself every night when my head hits the pillow. the january 6th committee is on the job and they're lucky to be learning any of this, because some of the white house records turned over to them had to be taped back together by national archives staff because they had been ripped up. sounds like during the pandemic, the people at the national archives also got into puzzles: okay, it's fun. i start with the corners, then i do the sides. and the-- ooh, ooh, ooh! i got a ketchup stain. wait, i saw another red one. oh, here's another red one. the reds don't match. oh, wait, when is this from? march 21? it's a taco tuesday. that's salsa. ( laughter ) >> jon: my goodness. >> stephen: now-- ( piano riff ) it violates the presidential

>> well, rudy giuliani's story is a fascinating and tragic one. here you have a man who used to be a federal prosecutor. he's seen a federal prosecutor actually take down the mob in new york city in the '80s and '90s, so he knows law enforcement. he at least used to respect world law. what happened to him in the last decade, i don't know, that's anybody's guess. he certainly turned his back on rule of law and all the things he used to stand for. but he understands how this process works, and i hope he will revert to respecting the investigation. it remains to be seen, but you hope he will cooperate with it. if he doesn't, there are subpoenas and a way to compel his testimony. >> congressman, what happened on january 6 shows us just how fragile our democracy really is, and your house colleague, alexandria cortez had this to say about what comes next. >> you used to phrase earlier in the midst of this, if we have a democracy ten years from now -- do you think we will? >> i think there is a very real risk that we will not. i think what we risk is is