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like i literally we spoke with scott ritter for marine corps intelligence office. i know, he says the situation would never have escalated this fall. if the west had stopped all my kids it could have been prevented. i could have been prevented a 2 days ago a day ago. all that needed to happen was for a ukraine to say, we will not be part of nato and we will comply with minsk and then i believe this would not have happened. um, but that was never going to happen. the west, i suddenly remembered mense, can say, hey, we need to do this. well, you know, you had 7 years to do it, and you didn't, it could have pressured ukrainian government to implement it. you didn't, and now you're paying the price. well, it is clear that the united states and the european union have additional what they call traunches of, of sanctions. they may implement them all now because there's no reason to hold it back and some people feel frustrated that, you know, they didn't think this is willing to happen. now that it's happening. they're frustrated that sanctions aren't, you know, not only
like i literally we spoke with scott ritter for marine corps intelligence office. i know, he says the situation would never have escalated this fall. if the west had stopped all my kids it could have been prevented. i could have been prevented a 2 days ago a day ago. all that needed to happen was for a ukraine to say, we will not be part of nato and we will comply with minsk and then i believe this would not have happened. um, but that was never going to happen. the west, i suddenly remembered...
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ritter. hi scott. so just that last point of by the female, ukrainian sniper who allegedly shoots russian separate is dead, she felt the cold kill again of putting invades is this part of a glow growing trend of glorifying the ukrainian median western western me the military? it's certainly an attempt to create a narrative, the fiction based narrative. i my dad, she's not a sniper. yes. and killed anybody on the evidence that was put forward by the sun is demonstrably false. i mean, i've done this and those aren't any optics i've ever seen. i don't know how she connected her, her scope night vision capable spoke to a recording device. you know. ready and did that, the artificially superimposed, you know, bargaining? no, it's a joke. um, you know, unfortunately the vast majority of people who read the newspaper and, you know, they take it at face value. this is, this is simple propaganda, pure and simple. it's about your shaping a public narrative and in the u. k. and by extension, i guess any
ritter. hi scott. so just that last point of by the female, ukrainian sniper who allegedly shoots russian separate is dead, she felt the cold kill again of putting invades is this part of a glow growing trend of glorifying the ukrainian median western western me the military? it's certainly an attempt to create a narrative, the fiction based narrative. i my dad, she's not a sniper. yes. and killed anybody on the evidence that was put forward by the sun is demonstrably false. i mean, i've done...
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we discussed other recent events with the former united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter, the he says, not western players. one to him, rural ukraine, and a war, something that russia is trying to avoid. the security guarantee for logan's can don't. yes, we're supposed to be mentioned the makes the meant to agreements that agreement gone. russia made it clear that it has no validity there. there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's membership and nato represents and a, an unacceptable risk. there will be no one who benefit from this. and, you know, russian, president vladimir food has said this over and over again. that he doesn't want to invade nato in the united states. don't seem to recognize this. it's almost as if they want to war in the iron. he is willing to sacrifice ukraine on the altar of false. you know, the, the false promise of nato membership. this is the tragedy. no one will benefit from this, but the people that are going to suffer the most of the people of ukraine. well, meanwhile, no major surp
we discussed other recent events with the former united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter, the he says, not western players. one to him, rural ukraine, and a war, something that russia is trying to avoid. the security guarantee for logan's can don't. yes, we're supposed to be mentioned the makes the meant to agreements that agreement gone. russia made it clear that it has no validity there. there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that...
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ritter, who believes the west is stoking the embers of war and ukraine. the security guarantee for lugens can don't. yes, we're supposed to be mentally makes meant to agreement on that agreement gone, russia made it clear that it has no validity. there. there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's membership and nato represents and a, an unacceptable risk. if nato continues to pursue this false promise of nato membership, if you train continues to pursue it continues to feed as fantasy by supplying weapons. i'm afraid we might see a, another phase of this conflict, which all nato has to respond with are sanctions which pressure to care less about . so i'm, i'm very concerned that the west doesn't have a plan to deal with this diplomatically. there will be no one who benefits from this. and, you know, russian president vladimir putin said this over and over again that he doesn't want to invade. i think the russians no fully, well, what the consequences of a military action. ukraine may be a sh
ritter, who believes the west is stoking the embers of war and ukraine. the security guarantee for lugens can don't. yes, we're supposed to be mentally makes meant to agreement on that agreement gone, russia made it clear that it has no validity. there. there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's membership and nato represents and a, an unacceptable risk. if nato continues to pursue this false promise of nato membership, if you...
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in the end, we discussed the recent events with for me, united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter. he says the west wants to embroider ukraine in a was something. russia is trying to avoid the security guarantee for logan's can don't. yes, we're supposed to be. mention makes meant to agreements that agreement gone. russia made it clear that it has no validity. there, there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security a rush. it said that ukraine's membership in nato represents and a, an unacceptable risk. there will be no one who benefits from this, and, you know, russian president vladimir putin said this over and over again that he doesn't want to. and bait nato in the united states don't seem to recognize this. it's almost as if they want to war in the iron. he is willing to sacrifice ukraine on the altar of false. you know the false promise of nato membership. this is the tragedy. no one will benefit from this, but the people that are going to suffer the most of the people of ukraine by starting a say or not he international will be back at the to
in the end, we discussed the recent events with for me, united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter. he says the west wants to embroider ukraine in a was something. russia is trying to avoid the security guarantee for logan's can don't. yes, we're supposed to be. mention makes meant to agreements that agreement gone. russia made it clear that it has no validity. there, there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security a rush. it said that ukraine's membership...
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on this developing story, we're now joined live by it's scott ritter, ortho analyst and former marine corps intelligence officer and weapons inspector scott, welcome to the program. thanks. read me now in response to this move to recognize the independence of the don't yet sca lugens republics. nato members have called for new weapons to be sent to ukraine. what's effect, do you think this'll have an audi very tense situation? this is, this is an absurdity. in the extreme, i mean nato is just, you know, repeating, you know, one mistake after others. weapon systems do not constitute military capacity. i mean, you, one would have think they would have learned that lesson in afghanistan, after pouring and billions of dollars of the most modern military equipment to the afghan army, you know, the, the army collapsed and left these weapons behind ukrainian military today, while sizable is not a modern functioning military operating under doctrine that allows it to compete head to head with the military power, like like russia, whatever weapons are being sent cannot be absorbed either physi
on this developing story, we're now joined live by it's scott ritter, ortho analyst and former marine corps intelligence officer and weapons inspector scott, welcome to the program. thanks. read me now in response to this move to recognize the independence of the don't yet sca lugens republics. nato members have called for new weapons to be sent to ukraine. what's effect, do you think this'll have an audi very tense situation? this is, this is an absurdity. in the extreme, i mean nato is just,...
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in delmar, we had scott ritter, he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross a jo loria, he's the editor in chief of consortium news dot com, all right, process rules that affect, that means it can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. i made, i made mention in my introduction, the mince piece process. that essentially was something that russia, france, germany were guarantors of. and it was certain things that ukraine had to do to keep lou ganske and done nets inside the country. this is what russia has been asking. unfortunately, ukraine never implemented it. and even though the germans and the french always said that, they stand by it, they never put any pressure on the government to implement it. then we go to a putin's recognition. russia's recognition of these 2 peoples republics as independent states. so are you going to miss the mince piece process? scott? of course i am, i had uminski pre peace process been implemented, we wouldn't be faced with what, regardless of where you stand
in delmar, we had scott ritter, he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross a jo loria, he's the editor in chief of consortium news dot com, all right, process rules that affect, that means it can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. i made, i made mention in my introduction, the mince piece process. that essentially was something that russia, france, germany were guarantors of. and it was...
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ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross jo loria. he is the editor in chief of consortium news dot com. all right.
ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross jo loria. he is the editor in chief of consortium news dot com. all right.
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we discussed the issue with former us marine corps analyst, scott ritter and he thinks the sons report glorifies killing. well, there's no doubt it was published to set up an agenda, and that is to to cheap in russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict. you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war and in the, in the cost of war and not seek to glamorize or glorify, you know, killing. unfortunately, the vast majority of people read the newspaper and you know, they, they take it at face value. this is, this is simple propaganda, pure and simple. it's about your shaping a public narrative. russia has accused washington of making things up again the us after the u. s alleged moscow was preparing a false flag, open ukraine to create a pretext for invasion. the lack of evidence for the latest claim, though, has left. some journalists scratching their heads as all the stuff gets, halo reports, fuss. they promised a new year invasion. then
we discussed the issue with former us marine corps analyst, scott ritter and he thinks the sons report glorifies killing. well, there's no doubt it was published to set up an agenda, and that is to to cheap in russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict. you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war and in the, in the cost of war and not seek...
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we discussed the issue with former us marine corps analysts, scott ritter and he thinks the sons reports glorifies killing. well, there's no doubt it was published to set up an agenda, and that is to to cheap in russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict. you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war and in the, in the cause of war, and not seek to glamorize or glorify, you know, killing. unfortunately, the vast majority of people will read the newspaper and, you know, they, they take it at face value. this is, this is simple propaganda, pure and simple. it's about your shaping a public narrative. well, rushes accused washington of making things up. again. that's after the u. s alleged moscow was preparing a false flag open ukraine to create a pretext for an evasion. but the lack of evidence for the latest claim is left. some journalists scratching their heads as all the stuff gets. taylor reports, fuss, they promised a new year invas
we discussed the issue with former us marine corps analysts, scott ritter and he thinks the sons reports glorifies killing. well, there's no doubt it was published to set up an agenda, and that is to to cheap in russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict. you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war and in the, in the cause of war, and not...
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okay, will, earlier we spoke with scott ritter foreman, marine corps intelligence office. i know, he said, situation would never emasculate this far. if the west had stopped at arm and keith been prevented, it could have been prevented a 2 days ago a day ago. all that needed to happen was for a ukraine to say, we will not be part of nato and we will comply with minsk and then i believe this would not have happened um, but that was never going to happen. the west, i suddenly remembered mence can say, hey, we need to do this. well, you know, you had 7 years to do it, and you didn't, it could have pressured ukrainian government to implement it. you didn't, and now you're paying the price. well, it is clear that the united states and the european union have additional what they call traunches of, of sanctions. they may implement them all now because there's no reason old back and some people feel frustrated that, you know, they didn't think this is willing to happen. now that it's happening. they're frustrated that sanctions aren't, you know, not only didn't stop it, but are g
okay, will, earlier we spoke with scott ritter foreman, marine corps intelligence office. i know, he said, situation would never emasculate this far. if the west had stopped at arm and keith been prevented, it could have been prevented a 2 days ago a day ago. all that needed to happen was for a ukraine to say, we will not be part of nato and we will comply with minsk and then i believe this would not have happened um, but that was never going to happen. the west, i suddenly remembered mence can...
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but we discussed the recent events with former united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter. he believes the west wants to embroil ukraine in a war which russia is desperately trying to avoid. the security guarantee for lugens can don't. yes. were supposed to be mentioned, the makes the meant to agreements that agreement gone. russia made it clear that it has no validity. there, there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's membership and nato represents and a, an unacceptable risk. there will be no one who benefit from this. and, you know, russian president vladimir putin said this over and over again that he doesn't want to invade nato in the united states. don't seem to recognize this. it's almost as if they want to war. and the irony is willing to sacrifice ukraine on the altar of false, you know, the false promise of nato membership. this is the tragedy. no one will benefit from this, but the people that are going to suffer the most of the people of ukraine. the un security council convened an emergency sessi
but we discussed the recent events with former united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter. he believes the west wants to embroil ukraine in a war which russia is desperately trying to avoid. the security guarantee for lugens can don't. yes. were supposed to be mentioned, the makes the meant to agreements that agreement gone. russia made it clear that it has no validity. there, there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's...
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s. marine corps analyst scott ritter and he thinks the son's report glorifies killing. well, there's no doubt it was published to set up an agenda and that is to, to cheap and russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict. you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war and in the, in the cause of war, and not seek to glamorize or glorify, you know, killing. unfortunately, the vast majority of people who read the newspaper and you know, they take it at face value. this is, this is simple propaganda, pure and simple. it's about your shaping a public narrative. rush has been a key. russian is accused washington, sorry, of making things up again. that's after the u. s. alleged moscow was preparing a false flag open ukraine to create a pretext for invasion. the lack of evidence for the latest claim is also less. some journalist scratching their heads as all the stuff gets a live reports. fuss, they promised a new year invasio
s. marine corps analyst scott ritter and he thinks the son's report glorifies killing. well, there's no doubt it was published to set up an agenda and that is to, to cheap and russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict. you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war and in the, in the cause of war, and not seek to glamorize or glorify, you...
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we discussed the recent events with form the united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter. he states the west wants to embroider your train in a war something russia is trying to avoid. the security guarantee for lugens can don't. yes, we're supposed to be missing the makes the meant to agreements that agreement gone . russia made it clear that it has no validity there, there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's membership and nato represents and a, an acceptable risk. there will be no one who benefits from this. and, you know, russian president vladimir putin has said this over and over again that he doesn't want to invade nato in the united states don't seem to recognizes. it's almost as if they want to war. and the irony is willing to sacrifice ukraine on the altar of false false promise of nato membership. this is the tragedy. no one will benefit from this, but the people that are going to suffer the most, and the people of ukraine will be un security cal for convenience. emergency session, off the russia
we discussed the recent events with form the united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter. he states the west wants to embroider your train in a war something russia is trying to avoid. the security guarantee for lugens can don't. yes, we're supposed to be missing the makes the meant to agreements that agreement gone . russia made it clear that it has no validity there, there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's membership and...
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ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross jo loria. he is the editor in chief of consortium news dot com or a cross hoc rules that affect, that means it can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. i made, i made mention in my introduction, the mince piece process. that essentially was some things that russia, france, germany were guarantors of. and it was certain things that ukraine had to do to keep lugens and done the ets inside the country. this is what russia has been asking. unfortunately, ukraine never implemented it. and even though the germans and the french always said that, they stand by it, they never put any pressure on the government to implemented. then we go to a putin's recognition. russia's recognition of these 2 peoples republics as independent states. so are you going to miss the mince piece process? scott? of course i am. i had the mince, pie, pre piece process been
ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross jo loria. he is the editor in chief of consortium news dot com or a cross hoc rules that affect, that means it can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. i made, i made mention in my introduction, the mince piece process. that essentially was some things that russia, france, germany were guarantors of. and it was certain things that ukraine had...
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and for a military point of view, scott ritter, who's the x u. s. marine colonel. he was the weapons inspector in iraq. he's put some very good law schools are recently pointing out that there is no military solution here from the massive troops that they could deploy would never be able to deter russian attack. if the russians were determined to carry one at lucas, the russians are determined to carry one up. it's not in their interests to get, get into a fight in the ukraine. so one would hope that ultimately, after all of the huffing and puffing they will, you know, these, these troops aren't going to make one difference for any difference one way or the other. so it's more grandstanding, but hopefully common sense will alternately prevail because it's not really in anybody's interest on performance about any of this. yeah. and do that, but to both sides get back to go shaping table, successfully independent journalist mos in some of thanks for your time. today, i don't think, you know, us officials of keys the popular news website of spreading from him propagan
and for a military point of view, scott ritter, who's the x u. s. marine colonel. he was the weapons inspector in iraq. he's put some very good law schools are recently pointing out that there is no military solution here from the massive troops that they could deploy would never be able to deter russian attack. if the russians were determined to carry one at lucas, the russians are determined to carry one up. it's not in their interests to get, get into a fight in the ukraine. so one would...
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in delmar, we had scott ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapon.
in delmar, we had scott ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapon.
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we have scott ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross a jo loria. he's the editor in chief of consortium news dot com, all right, cross hoc rules that affect, that means it can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. i made, i made mention in my introduction, the mince piece process. that essentially was something that russia, france, germany were guarantors of. and it was certain things that ukraine had to do to keep lou ganske and done the ets inside the country. this is what russia has been asking. unfortunately, ukraine never implemented it. and even though the germans and the french always said that, they stand by it, they never put any pressure on the government to implemented. then we go to a putin's recognition. russia's recognition of these 2 peoples republics as independent states. so are you going to miss the mince piece process? scott? of course i am, i had uminski pre peace process been implemented, we wouldn't be faced with what, regardless of where you st
we have scott ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross a jo loria. he's the editor in chief of consortium news dot com, all right, cross hoc rules that affect, that means it can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. i made, i made mention in my introduction, the mince piece process. that essentially was something that russia, france, germany were guarantors of. and it was certain...
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or we discuss the issue of former us marine corps, unless scott ritter. well, there's no doubt that it was published to set up an agenda that is to to cheap in russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict, or you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war. and in the, in the course of board, and not seek to glamorize or glorify, you know, killing. unfortunately, the vast majority of people who read the newspaper and you know, they take it at face value. this is, this is simple propaganda, pure and simple. it's about your shaping a public narrative. and that's as rush is a curious washington of making things up. again. it's after the u. s allege moscow was preparing a full flag up in ukraine to create a pretext for an invasion. the lack of evidence for the latest claim has also left some journalists confused as our t. saskia taylor takes us through fuss. they promised a new year invasion. then they said it
or we discuss the issue of former us marine corps, unless scott ritter. well, there's no doubt that it was published to set up an agenda that is to to cheap in russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict, or you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war. and in the, in the course of board, and not seek to glamorize or glorify, you know,...
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earlier we spoke with scott ritter, a former marine corps intelligence officer. now he said the situation would never have escalated this bar. if the west had stopped the arming kiss, it could have been prevented, it could have been prevented. 2 days ago, a day ago, all that needed to happen was for a ukraine to say, we will not be part of nato. and we will comply with minsk and then i believe this would not have happened. but that was never going to happen. the west, i suddenly remembered mense, can say, hey, we need to do this. well, you know, you had 7 years to do it. and you did, it could have pressured ukrainian government to implement it. you didn't, and now you're paying the price. well, it is clear that the united states and the european union have additional what they call traunches of, of sanctions. they may implement them all now because there's no reason to hold it back and some people feel frustrated that, you know, they didn't think this is going to happen now that it's happening. they're frustrated that sanctions aren't, you know, not only didn't s
earlier we spoke with scott ritter, a former marine corps intelligence officer. now he said the situation would never have escalated this bar. if the west had stopped the arming kiss, it could have been prevented, it could have been prevented. 2 days ago, a day ago, all that needed to happen was for a ukraine to say, we will not be part of nato. and we will comply with minsk and then i believe this would not have happened. but that was never going to happen. the west, i suddenly remembered...
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we discuss the recent events with for me, united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter, who believes the west wants to embroider ukraine. in a war which russia is desperately trying to avoid the security guarantee for lugens can don't. yes, were supposed to be mentioned that makes the meant to agreements that agreement gone. russia made it clear that it has no validity there. there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's membership and nato represents and a, an unacceptable risk. there will be no one who benefit from this. and, you know, russian president vladimir putin said this over and over again that he doesn't want to invade nato in the united states. don't seem to recognize this. it's almost as if they want to war. and the irony is willing to sacrifice ukraine on the altar of false, you know, the false promise of nato membership. this is the tragedy. no one will benefit from this, but the people that are going to suffer the most of the people of ukraine and that the flare up in selling people continue to flee from d
we discuss the recent events with for me, united nations weapons inspector, scott ritter, who believes the west wants to embroider ukraine. in a war which russia is desperately trying to avoid the security guarantee for lugens can don't. yes, were supposed to be mentioned that makes the meant to agreements that agreement gone. russia made it clear that it has no validity there. there's nothing those days are over. russia is going to guarantee their security. russia said that ukraine's...
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ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross joe loria, he's the editor in chief of consortium news dot com, all right, process rules and effect. that is, it can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. i made, i made mention in my introduction, the the mince piece process. that essentially was something that russia, france, germany were guarantors of. and it was certain things that ukraine had to do to keep lugens and done yet. so inside the country, this is what russia has been asking. unfortunately, ukraine never implemented it. and even though the germans and the french always said that, they stand by it, they never put any pressure on the government to implemented. then we go to a putin's recognition. russia's recognition of these 2 peoples republics as independent states. so are you going to miss the mince piece process? scott? of course i am, i had uminski pre peace process been
ritter. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector. and in sydney we cross joe loria, he's the editor in chief of consortium news dot com, all right, process rules and effect. that is, it can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. i made, i made mention in my introduction, the the mince piece process. that essentially was something that russia, france, germany were guarantors of. and it was certain things that...
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now we discussed this issue with former us marine corps analysts, scott ritter and he thinks the sons reports glorifies killing. well, there's no doubt it was published to set up an agenda, and that is to to cheap and russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict. you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war and in the, in the cost of war, and not seek to glamorize or glorify, you know, killing. unfortunately, the vast majority of people who read the newspaper and you know, they, they take it at face value. this is, this is simple propaganda, pure and simple. it's about your shaping a public narrative versus accused. washington is making things up again, not after the u. s. alleged moscow was preparing a full flag open ukraine to create a pretext for an invasion. now the lack of evidence for the latest claim has left some journalist scratching their heads as all the stuff gets, taylor reports. fuss, they promised a new yet invasion.
now we discussed this issue with former us marine corps analysts, scott ritter and he thinks the sons reports glorifies killing. well, there's no doubt it was published to set up an agenda, and that is to to cheap and russian life and to glorify the taking of russian life if you want to avoid war. and i would hope that all parties that are involved in the current crisis want to avoid conflict. you should be extraordinarily transparent about the reality of war and in the, in the cost of war, and...