in vietnam, then i ought to try to at least. scribble down the outline something so that's why it took so long it probably. i mean, i hope that we're ready now. the the power right now of the of the pullout from afghanistan where we are leading after how many years have we been there probably longer than they were in vietnam. where we're pulling out and just saying well, that's it. take care of it yourself folks. of that is exactly what happened in 1975. in the famous scenes of the helicopter leaving from the roof the latter. yeah. yeah hanging on to the hanging onto the skids. and here we are the same thing and we'll go, you know, we'll go on and on doing this. well, there's a great statement by i think it was. carrier or maybe was this the secretary of state? i can't remember saying well, we don't think kabul will fall. oh great. yeah. what what i'm curious about though is that the the book is so full of very specific detail. you know and as somebody who's memory can be a little sketchy myself i'm talking about right now. i wa

my husband was going to vietnam in two weeks. and so one moment, i wanted him to run and one moment i wanted him just to come home to texas and be with my son and me. >> both daughters, both husbands are going out. one is going away and one to animal. god knows i'm more concerned than anybody. >> mother was much more sanguine about it. she thought he had given it his all. she wanted him to live. she wanted to have this wonderful life with this man that had always put what he thought was right ahead of her. but she was worried that he would regret what he had done, because to give away power after having so much is very difficult. >> my mother knew the decision had to be his and his alone. there is a part of me that believed he wouldn't. and i was standing beside my sister whose brave husband was literally in the air on his way to vietnam. >> with our hopes and the world's hopes for peace in the balance every day, i do not believe that i should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes, or to any duties ot

the vietnam war was dominating everything. we kept thinking that we were going to go to the table and sit down and negotiate a deal. and that kept being postponed. i really believe that the president could end the war. >> one evening, i was sitting in the backseat with him going out the gates of the white house, and the protesters, mostly young, were shouting, hey, hey, lbj, how many kids did you kill today. >> every morning he would get a body count. and he just agonized over it all the time. >> lbj said, tom, i wish they knew that i want peace as much as they do. >> as the divisions of vietnam spread throughout the country, much to lbj's chagrin, he isolates himself. this is a guy who wants to do something for young people. he wants to give them education and civil rights and environmental protection, and yet he's sending young men off to vietnam. and it's something that young america can't forget lbj for. >> when you stood on the lincoln memorial that day in august '63, you said, i have a dream, did that dream envision a wa

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what do you think about this vietnam thing? i would like to hear you talk a little bit. >> well, frankly,mr. president if you were to tell me that i was able to settle it as i saw fit, i would respectfully decline to undertake it. it's the worst mess i ever saw. >> vietnam was really a difficult thing for him. he never was comfortable with our presence in vietnam. >> i will tell you the more i stayed awake last night thinking about this thing, the more i think bit, i don't know what in the hell -- it just worries the hell out of me. i don't think it's worth fighting for and i don't think we can get out. >> it's an awful mess. >> he felt the united states had given its word with two different administrations, the truman and kennedy administration. >> we signed the treaty called the southeast asia treaty, and every signor had an obligation. spompl -- responsibility to come to the aide of any country attacked. >> a war had already been taking place for four years between vietnamese parties. of course growing american involvement u

and not just talking about vietnam being opposed to china or vietnam being the new asian tiger for economic development. a 4 and a half your investigation is found that dutch troops used extreme violence often deliberately during indonesia war for independence in the 1900. forty's, according to the researches extra judicial executions, torture and detention on the inhumane conditions. some of the methods used by dutch armed forces as indonesia thought to rid itself of colonial rule. the findings also show that military leaders and politicians in the netherlands largely ignored the brutality. prime minister mark richard, apologize for his country's actions. and the way previous governments looked away from novice and they'll make today on behalf of the dutch government, a deep apology to the people of indonesia. today, more over, we must conclude that apologies from the government are in order to everyone in our country who had to live with the consequences of the colonial war in indonesia often until today. and that includes all groups, including veterans who behaved as good soldiers at the

war, the escalation of the vietnam war could easily be misread as a antimilitarism kind of song and he didn't think anything of it. he performs on the television show the sort of laughing through the story about what happens to george armstrong custer which is pretty ugly. i just don't, i think other people have kind of assumed other scholars and biographers have kind of assumed that was part of what he was doing by gaveling in folk music, he is trying to expand his audience into folk but johnny cash did need to expand his audience into folk. he already had an enormous following, even without very many hit songs in the 1960s he was a columbia records star and he was, he had a certain amount of freedom because of that to do what he wanted. the television show is different because he didn't have complete creative control over the television show. it was clear he had guest on which would've rather not had on, a lot of hollywood types that producers insisted on. but we know most of the musical guests were his idea and a lot of them he had to push for over the objectives of some of the p

so it makes i for an interesting episode cash's engagement with the vietnam war certainly. >> there a lot of the book you describe dynamic, him making statements or holding views that could be d described as liberal but he also had this strong appeal conservative listeners and there are a lot of those as well.t don't take the question the wrong way, i think i viewed your analysis but someone might say like every artist, cared about success and we know that because early in his career, he allowed the label decisions and he appeared looking ridiculous in photographs for commercial purposes. i found it amusing you mentioned the johnny cash show, producers decided part of theto formula would be to have this on the show every night so more people would attend.ra so how do you know when johnny cash would go back and forth music he conserved considered conservative or liberal but here's justin trying to find was to appeal to as many people as he could because they wanted to buy his record? >> it's a fair question because as you say, you might think that about any artist and maintain the larg

does i invite you moving the entire day in again, vietnam? musician i english list mentioned is jasmine nicholas. i was given, possess, dismissed me. nigel, extend october 2019 on the outskirts of london. many of these victims were definitely minor boys and girls in its smuggling operation. gone wrong. 39 people suffocated to death in the back of a truck all with the maze. one of the victims was a 17 year old boy, another his friend had just turned 18. 12 days before, both had disappeared from a facility in the netherlands apprehended after being smuggled in from germany. shortly before she died, one of the victims wrote a message to her mother back home. this is somebody dying. and yet there was no blaming the network. no blaming anybody who salt that ticket. no saying things i wish i didn't do this in the end, it was just, i'm sorry, this is, i'm not making it so the smokers with every weapon. well it's, it's a cultural weapon that they wield. they at that lay right and they keep people and that bondage they are able to make sure that peopl

i think that's entirely true because he did pull punches a bit like vietnam. i think you could watch the tv show or read statements and wish as a cash fan who feels one way or another about our clinical issue he'd been more bold and spoken out more strongly or perhaps less trite we had times on certain. issues. why he did all right did not do that is not always entirely clear but i think by the time he got to his television show and across the years of the television show he grew increasingly confident in the role. >> i was wondering looking at your book cover to have cash wrapping himself in the american flag and the way our politics is now, one would assume it is a conservative view -- you would put him in the red states. i was curious about the choice you and your editors had for the cover. >> well, there's a lotho of autographs of johnny cash and flags, he made a couple of albums in the 70s, ragged old flag album and america, 200 year salute, i am getting the subtitle. the ragged old flag, it really is pointing out and looking at the viewer but obviously t

and not just talking about vietnam being opposed to china or vietnam being the new asian tiger for economic development. for robinson from human rights, which thanks so much for joining us in bangkok. thank you. now a wedding in india has resulted in the death of 13 guests who fell into a well a concrete slab covering the 15 meat. a deep hole collapsed under the weight of a group of women and girls. others were taken hospital in utter pradesh to be treated for their injuries. now please of fatigue ass on anti q protest, as in the sudanese capital cartoon. ah, groups of demonstrators marched in several areas across the city. some set fire to ties at the entrance to the airport. the rallies are the latest to the series of protests against october's military take over. security forces of kill dozens of people in the unrest. the full presence of an juris faces extradition to the united states. the cocaine trafficking, the marble repair reports now from the capital one, orlando hernandez, was taken to court after hundreds of police surrounded his home. in emotionally charged gathering outside th

of the vietnam war. it could easily be misread. as a kind of anti-militarism kind of song and he didn't think anything of it. he performs it on the television show with buffy saint marie, you know as a sort of laughing through the story about you know, what happens to george armstrong custer which is pretty ugly. so i just don't i think other people have kind of assumed other scholars in biographers have kind of assumed that that was part of what he was doing by by dabbling in folk music. he was trying to expand his audience into vote, but johnny cash didn't need to expand his audience into folk, you know, he already had an enormous following even without very many hit songs in the 1960s. he was a columbia records star and he was in a he had. you had a certain amount of freedom because of that to do what he wanted. you know, the television shows a little bit different because he didn't have complete creative control over the television show. it was clear that he had guests on who he would have rather not

he lived with his grandmother in vietnam. but when she died, he had to survive by collecting and filling muscles, snails, driftwood, and plastic bottles. only when my way we normally solidly on t 210, and that i didn't the ma'am knowing that i am one ne alarm calling on you in homer . so in a way i am going one tech on on with him, good um. and they only die all night yet in the desert, the air, good earth and yet now the non conversely only marlo n u. as in 90 song, new $37.00 loyalty noting south nissan don't do it. the human smuggling ruge tune was taken own stretches from vietnam to poland. like most of his compatriots, he was transported across russia to the baltic nations and then to poland. on the way to says he was held in abandoned warehouses, sometimes locked in for a week at a time by telephone for his and i am home the beetle lucas, l y con it only alice sound chill, chill doin a delgado job home with new my new miami. yeah, i am legally coating li, tonja niger banality on mid day now. now do i am hi e own get now

and also he is the author in a marvelous short history vietnam war in which i use in my classes and i highly remained entered recommended to others noise coming out with another book, so look for it on your cell and of ambition in the united states and the 403rd world in the era - and today he's going to tell his mother presidents from vietnam in one has no reputational problems whatsoever. >> thank you, it will be a very short talk. i would like to get everybody hear me yes okay so i would like to start with a story that takes us into the arena of the nixon presidency that may not be oney that immediately comes to mind in the subject is the relationship between the united states and brazil the story begins earlyzi summer 13, 1968, that was the day with the brazilian military eliminated most elements of the democracy and the crackdowns on just about every facet of society in brazil •-ellipsis start of a new era of economic prosperity hand economic and equality in the country and the widespread use f torture which was public obediee to the regime the johnson administration if any u

vietnam mississippi which one of you choosing vietnam? wait, mississippi to be honest though. it ain't really good in mississippi. either. you're like, yeah, right vietnam. did you hear she's like to be honest, so it ain't really good in mississippi either. so this is what you're choosing between vietnam and mississippi. so then you're having to make another choice. where do i think i can do the most good? when that's the parameter. where do i think i can be the change agent? they chose, mississippi. wow, yes. use vietnam. yeah, not i know of. not that i know of that's not to say it didn't happen. but while this debate is going on. there's a snick member up in massachusetts harvard trained philosopher bob moses. and moses had an aura status and snick because he had what i call quiet power. you know that thing where you know, it's not the one who's blustering the most it's not the one who's hollering the most it's not the one who's the flash is, but there's just something. yeah. quiet power and moses had chairs like yeah, i got quiet about. i saw that. and moses had been asked.

vietnam mississippi which one of you choosing vietnam? wait, mississippi to be honest though. it ain't really good in mississippi. either. you're like, yeah, right vietnam. did you hear she's like to be honest though. it ain't really good in mississippi either. so this is what you're choosing between vietnam and mississippi. so then you're having to make another choice. where do i think i can do the most good? when that's the parameter. where do i think i can be the change agent? they chose, mississippi. while but yes they use vietnam. yeah, not i know of. not that i know of that's not to say it didn't happen. but while this debate is going on. there's a snick member up in massachusetts harvard trained philosopher bob moses. and moses had an aura status and snick because he had what i call quiet power. you know that thing where you know, it's not the one who's blustering the most it's not the one who's hollering the most it's not the one who's the flash is, but there's just something. yeah. quiet power and moses had chairs like yeah, i got quiet about. i saw that. and moses ha

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oh jim, in the city in vietnam, once i gone home, the old capital of south vietnam at its heart islam, sony square, where journalists, diplomats, military staff and spies rub shoulders in its famous hotels during the vietnam war . i was assigned to vietnam by the associated press and i arrived queued, 962. the caravel hotel burst under the headlines in november, 1963. when those of number to recruit a tough, which led to the assassination of president brought in over 24 hour period. the center of sy gone was a war zone. the press retreated in effect that the caravel hotel. and many of the story is mentioned, what we were saying was from the caravel dictatorships, to democracies. activists to corporations, control of the message is crucial. oil companies have become very good at recognizing ways to phrase what they want into here. we care about the environment you do to you should buy our oil period for public opinion or profit. once you make people afraid, you can use that to justify stripping away basic civil liberties. the listening post examined the vested interest behind the conte

i was on the plane to vietnam got there. took a couple of days to get. accreditation cards and everything and got on a got on a c-123. milk, run flight that went all the way stopping at every town and every base in vietnam and got to danang. and i was in the war i was in the war so quick. i had not even gotten to the black market to buy fatigues and and boots. i was wearing chinos and loafers and i even have a picture of myself on my first combat operation. i got to danang and i said a clothing in a samsonite suitcase. my mother had given me for high school graduation. and this this very excited dark-skinned gentleman came running up and he said you are mr. galloway. and i said, yeah and he said oh, hi, i'm all rioette upi photographer you come with me and i said what about my suitcase and he said a rude thing about my suitcase. put it put it in the aerial squadron terminal and drug me onto a c-130 and and i didn't know where we're going or what's happening. and we flew to quang nai city. and we got off and if you've ever seen somebody stuck us stick in

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does i invite you moving the tardy and again, vietnam? musician i english toys mentioned jesus, yasmina. you was always given position dismissed me. no. you accent. october 2019 on the outskirts of london. many of these victims would definitely minus boys and girls in smuggling operation gone wrong. 39 people suffocated to death in the back of a truck all with the maze. one of the victims was a 17 year old boy, another his friend had just turned 18. 12 days before, both had disappeared from a facility in the netherlands apprehended after being smuggled in from germany. shortly before she died, one of the victims wrote a message to her mother back home. this is somebody dying. and yet there was no blaming the network. no blaming anybody who sold her that ticket? no saying things like i wish i didn't do this in the end, it was just, i'm sorry, this is i'm not making it so the smokers with that the weapon. well it's, it's the cultural weapon that they wield very definitely, right. and they keep people in debt, bondage they are able to make s

i was on the plane to vietnam got there. took a couple of days to get. accreditation cards and everything and got on a got on a c-123. milk, run flight that went all the way stopping at every town and every base in vietnam and got to danang. and i was in the war i was in the war so quick. i had not even gotten to the black market to buy fatigues and and boots. i was wearing chinos and loafers and i even have a picture of myself on my first combat operation. i got to danang and i said a clothing in a samsonite suitcase. my mother had given me for high school graduation. and this this very excited dark-skinned gentleman came running up and he said you are mr. galloway. and i said, yeah and he said oh, hi, i'm all rioette upi photographer you come with me and i said what about my suitcase and he said a rude thing about my suitcase. put it put it in the aerial squadron terminal and drug me onto a c-130 and and i didn't know where we're going or what's happening. and we flew to quang nai city. and we got off and if you've ever seen somebody stuck us stick in

and not just talking about vietnam being opposed to china or vietnam being the new asian tiger for economic development. the weather in india has resulted in the deaths of 13 guests who fell into a well a concrete slab covering the 15 me to the poll, clamps under the weight of a group of women and girls. others would take the hospitals and inter pradesh to be treated for the injuries. the full precedent of on jurors faces extradition to the united states. the cocaine trafficking on orlando hernandez was taken to court after hundreds of police surrounded his home. men will repel reports . in emotionally charged gathering outside the supreme court of 100, many hope we catch a glimpse of former 100 president. one member amended wanted by us authorities on international drug trafficking and illegal weapons charges. edmund is arrived in handcuffs in chains for a preliminary court hearing related to an extradition request filed by the united states. earlier this week, i are here to celebrate, were here to celebrate the narco dictatorship, that is failing today with its greatest liter pensions out

vietnam veterans of america and acs, we do not support changing the current framework for vietnam veterans that may be processed, that is currently on the books. this new under the owner the packed act lisa more restrictive policy. looking at that study earlier, for 15 years the v.a. had a study showing hypertension and higher rates in vietnam herbicide exposed veterans. never acted upon that study, even though it clearly is growing research. from the same section, and honor are packed, section 405 concerning belfer veterans, for the most part, this section -- desert storm veterans, for the most part this section, what comes from the go for veteran presumptive claims -- gulf war veteran presumptive claims. what with this legislation due to address that? we met with this committee before the pandemic took place. right before they shut down capitol hill. we were promised around table to address the matter and never came. just because we are adding presumptive's, is the v.a. going to be able to do these presumptives where this still not leading to a 73% denial rate like with global veterans c

i am a vietnam veteran, and i served with several million other veterans in vietnam, and a lot of us went to a -- went through agent orange and all of this other stuff. i have a disability from agent orange. i do not want to see us getting back into ukraine. we can support them and then do like joe biden is doing is keeping us and nato together, and i think also that joe biden is doing a great job holding putin down. he is letting him know what is going to happen, and he is standing for it. he is speaking his peace and standing for the united states of america and i think he is doing a great job as he did getting us out of afghanistan. i thought it was fantastic getting out of there. we lost 13 people, the thing is it was a combat zone and we left some people behind. remember vietnam and -- in april 25. we left 1.5 million people behind and nobody seemed to care about that. and that was a republican president that got us out of there. and i think joe biden is doing a good job. we do not need to get involved with our troops, but we do need to stand with all other nato nations and then

and not just talking about vietnam, being opposed to china or vietnam being the new asian tiger for economic development. a 4 and a half he investigation is found that dutch troops used extreme violence, often deliberate, any cheering, indonesia wolfing dependence in the 1940s. according to the re such as accidental executions, torture and detention under inhumane conditions. some of the methods used by dutch armed forces as indonesia sought to wit itself, of colonial rule. findings also show that military leaders and politicians in the netherlands launched ignored the brutality. i'm as to mock returns apologize, his country's actions, and the way previous governments have looped away ok, excellent. ok. now, mr. nelson, i make today on behalf of the dutch government, a deep apology to the people of indonesia to day. moreover, we must conclude that apologies from the government are in order to everyone in that country who had to live with the consequences of the colonial war and indonesia often until today. and that includes all groups including veterans who behaved as good soldiers at the ti

especially in vietnam not vietnam. it was a poet is like iran contra war. but not my unit. yeah now we're much readers. so you're watching cook on dvd, you know, really good -- dvd players. it's a different. um, do you either of you any final words you have anything the last news you want to say this and want to get off your chest? that was great. there's a pleasure me just i was very nervous about meeting users and you're definitely yeah horse to be reckoned with just folks you know, yeah. well, i i thank you all so much. oh we got vinny. so can i thank you know just coming back. yeah, go ahead. so, thank you again. thank you guys, matt suzanne. thank you so much for doing this with me. i really appreciate it. please read get get pity the reader suzanne's book. i would love it if you got my book the writers crusade kurt vonnegut and the many lives of slaughterhouse-five and i look forward to everyone getting matt's book when it comes and it will come. and yeah, so thank you so much. thank you vinnie. you take it away. thanks. everyone thanks for supporting you local indepe

caller: i am a vietnam veteran against war. i remember johnson -- giving a speech, i will not send american boys to vietnam. i went to breakfast and told my brother, jim, you're going to vietnam, jim. a year later he went to vietnam and two years later i went. i know the russians, they will provoke incidents like the apartment bombings. just like we provoked the gulf of tonken, the weapons of mass deception. i see us somehow bungling us into this war with russia-ukraine. we are not going against men with hoe che minute sandles. they have atomic bombs that will blow up your chimney in an hour. let's negotiate, negotiate, negotiate peace and continue to negotiate. bring down the tensions. host: all right, ron, thanks for the call. guest: thank you. thank you to the vietnam generation. that did so much and doesn't get the credit. and fought a war that the country wasn't behind. you folks did a lot and went through a lot. it's a good warning anytime we hear from your generation about how we have to think about international politic

vietnam veterans of america -- we do not support changing the current framework for vietnam veterans presumptive -- that is currently on the books. this new -- it leaves a more restrictive presumptive making policy and we feel that, like i mentioned that study earlier, for 15 years, the va had a study showing hypertension and -- they never acted upon that study, even though it clearly is shown in the research. lastly, from the same section, in the honor in are packed section 405, concerning -- for the most part, this section, be va and -- do support, however, we need to find out what comes from the higher rates of the -- that has been going on for 20 years and as well documented. what will this legislation do to address that? we met with this committee before the pandemic took place, right before the shutdown capitol hill. and we were promised a roundtable to address that matter and it never came. just because we are adding presumptive, if the re-a going to be able to do these presumptive were it's still not leaning to a 73 -- like with a gulf war veterans -- and a 93% denial rate fo

vietnam veterans of america and dcs do not support changing the current framework or vietnam veterans presumptive making process that's currently on the books. this new honor our pack act leaves more restrictive presumptive making policy, and we feel that, you know, looking at, like i mentioned that study earlier for 15 years the v.a. had a study showing hypertension and higher rates in vietnam. they never acted upon that study even though it clearly has grown research. lastly, from the same section in the honoring our pack section 405 concerning gulf war veterans, for the most part this section dva and dcf, however, we need to find out what comes from the hiding all rates of the gulf war veteran presumptive claim going on and is well documented, what will this legislation do to address that? we met with this committee before the pandemic took place right before they shut down capitol hill, and we were promised a roundtable to address that matter, and it never came to fruition. just because we're adding presumptives is the v.a. going to be able to do these presumptives where it's stil