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abraham lincoln, the president, frederick douglass the freedom fighter. together they would make .merica a more perfect union >> america has been blessed to have the right people at the right time. think back to those days in the civil war where brothers literally fought , fathers fought their kids. because they want the declaration ofindependence and this notion that all men were created equal to be real . >> and abraham lincoln the odds were stacked against them. >> how can a young man going to abject poverty with only one year of education emerged as one of america's perhaps best presidents who would lead us through a war and emancipate all enslaved people . >> he was an amazing person. he had a vision, he had ambition. >> as tough as abraham . lincoln's first 14 yearsworth frederick douglass had a lot worse. he would escape to establish his freedom but he wasn't satisfied with that . he would want freedom for himself and freedom for all. >> douglas would relentlessly continue to selfeducate and be mentored by abolitionists . start a newspaper, be a le

not a lot of political connections with abraham lincoln. he started running for office to become a one-term congressman. nobody is looking at linking to lead us to freedom to the most difficult time for frederick douglass. he's got to escape for freedom. he's got to stand up to his slave master. he's got it once free. he could still be arrested for years later seven years after that. he writes his autobiography then he goes to europe for 21 months. they still have statues for him with him and plaques in ireland, scotland and london of what he did and what he said and they saw the promise he could have stayed there sent for his family. going back because i'm gonna bring that message because he he wanted to be an american. and a man that was born into slavery that was told the constitution had to be destroyed. but the more he worked the more he read the more he realized the constitution was the key to freedom. we weren't living up to it. we didn't have to tear it down. it was built to be brave. it was for perfect. we just weren't living the p

it did in 1860 when abraham lincoln was president. you would line up on the porch and hope that lincoln would see you. douglass didn't have to wait long. >> lincoln was smitten with douglass, he knew he carried baggage with him, but he wanted to meet douglass. >> after the meeting, lincoln with the emancipation proclamation. and douglass with the army for the first time 54th massachusetts infantry. >> and it included his two sons who served in the 54th. i was amazed how important the american flag was, this they were being shot at that african-americans holding the flag, doesn't want it to touch the soil because it was so important to send our flag because it was defending our nation. >> lincoln and douglass would meet a total of three times face-to-face and together would help lincoln win reelection. and they would win the war to free from slavery and our nation to reunite. with so much work together. john wilks booth assassination robbed douglass a partner to do that with. >> and frederick douglass would outlive lincoln by 30 years,

you see abraham lincoln and andrew johnson. for all practical purposes the leadership of this national union effort is -- is still the republican party who was kidding? but it is representing this -- this very aggressive pr effort on the part of republicans to make a bipartisan appeal to democrats, so they run as national union party. is it really a third party, no. it's really the republicans carrying a sign with a different anymore on it, national union ticket. and is johnson a third-party candidate, well, no one would have thought at that point because johnson despite long career as a democrat seemed to be uttering all the appropriate republican noises, so it goes forward that way, lincoln is reelected and johnson is elected as his vice president and at that point, the whole national union thing disappears because they got -- they got reelected and that's the last we hear of it. so is the third party, yeah, but only in the sense of using a different name for pr purposes. is it a third party, no, in the really because it's in

lincoln redeemer president and lincoln emancipation proclamation and abraham lincoln, man of ideas, 2009, lincoln a short introduction, 2009 as well. then a look at the civil war and reconstruction in fateful lighting followed by gettysburg, the last invasion is how allen guelzo looks at the book in 2013, are redeeming the great emancipator in 2016, reconstruction of concise history came out in 2018 and his most recent from a different point of view robert e. lee, a life. if we could allen guelzo, let's go to the year of 1863 which kicked off with the emancipation proclamation very tumultuous year in the nation's history but i want to quote from your book redeeming the great emancipator, quote, the emancipation proclamation which was delivered on january 1st, 1863 is surely the unhappiest of all of abraham lincoln's great presidential papers. that was the one that jumped out to me. [laughter] >> that was a deliberate and provocative strategy on my part. and i say unhappiest basically because while we learned the gettysburg, people memorize the gettysburg address which is 272 words a

um i think it would have been a little bit better organized than abraham lincoln. i mean as you know, dan lincoln's own private secretaries moaned about how he had a tendency to put papers in his hat and forget them and you know and and waste time from their perspective talking to, you know, just ordinary citizens rather than dealing with important issues. he would have been quicker to issue some form of emancipation proclamation. in the summer of 1862 chase's diary is simply filled with his anxiety that lincoln issue an emancipation proclamation and it would have been different he there's a draft of the emancipation proclamation in chases handwritings and lincoln papers and what it would have done is would have freed or you know by decree freed all the slaves in the kind of southernmost tier of states the gulf states immediately rather than lincoln saying well if the war is still going on on the first of january 63, then i will free this lives. what sort of writing style did he have and speaking style was it it was he capable of hard to believe that gettysburg add

and i know this abraham lincoln is a must written about president in our history and i get it. but what if i talk to you about the most crucial time in our history? one man born in the midwest or to a literate parents in abject poverty. who loses his mom at the age of nine who everyone describes as unseemly, gangly with terms over not use today because they're politically incorrect. a man people had to pay attention to but cannot get their eyesec off of and later it would be because of his mind and intellect.t. and what if i told you another man was born a slave? you really never knew his mom and dad ended up being one of his slaveholders. what if i told you he did not have close until he was eight years old. what if i told you he would be told if he were to read and write here be arrested and anyone who taught him would be jailed. he would manipulate his way to learn to read and write he'd see the value of education he would read the same book as a guy named abraham lincoln thousands of miles away for each other called the colombian order talked about george washington, plato,

they never left the union to abraham lincoln. well rebellion, but wouldn't the original legislature. perhaps be the true legislature if they repent and return to us laws and recognize. us government, well, this was lincoln's theory of the case, right and but it is a significant i think misstep, but certainly he was ultimately convinced of that i think in part because appomattox took away that the need for this idea, but he's in conversation with judge campbell and gustavus myers in richmond, and and i do think the lincoln enrichment which is the centerpiece of the book but the opening scene and really the center of the book is one of the most cinematic moments in american life. that doesn't get hasn't gotten the attention it deserves but he comes with this idea and you can sort of see lincoln's mind liking symmetries that you know, all of the rebel legislature that voted to secede vote to renounce succession and rejoin the union that will be a nice little clean package. it'll say the states are doing this on their own and and ind

we are specializing in american history specifically abraham lincoln, the u.s. civil war and the u.s. presidency. we carry both old and new books in our fields and also historical artifacts including autographed letters and documents, originals, photography from the age, prints, statuary, and because we have historical artifacts in our shop, from time to time we're able to show one that is relevant to one of the interview questions with our author today our past author interviews on our youtube page and our artifacts broadcasts, we have them every other week on fridays and they are on our facebook page and i hope you'll join us to discuss historical artifacts. and you can visit our website in order to get today's book. and we have actual books signed by our author. we don't have him in our shop yet because of the pandemic, but eventually we'll have them had in here again. so let's introduce walter star, graduate of harvard law school. he practiced international law for 25 years. including five years with the securities and exchange commission. he's a two-time wi

we are specializing in american history specifically abraham lincoln, the u.s. civil war and the u.s. presidency. we carry both old and new books in our fields and also historical artifacts including autographed letters and documents, originals, photography from the age, mythgraphy, prints, statuary, and because we have historical artifacts in our shop, from time to time we're able to show one that is relevant to one of the interview questions with our author today our website is april dlpz book clpz shop.com. and our past author interviews are on our youtube page. also our artifact broadcasts we have them every other week on fridays and they are on our facebook page. and i hope you will join us to discuss historical artifacts. and you can visit our website in order to get today's book. salmon p. chase. and we have actual books signed by our author. we don't have him in our shop yet because of the pandemic, but eventually we'll have them in here again. so let's introduce walter star, graduate of stanford university and harvard law school. he practiced internatio

they never left the union to abraham lincoln? wouldn't the original legislature, perhaps, be the true legislature if they repent and return to u.s. laws and recognize u.s. government? >> well, this was lincoln's theory of the case, right? i mean -- but it is a significant, i think, misstep. certainly he was ultimately convinced of that, in part, because appear law mattics took away the need for the idea, and he's in richmond, and i do think the lincoln in richmond which is the centerpiece of the book and the opening scene is one of the most cinematic moments in life that has not gotten the attention it deserves, but he comes with the idea and you can sort of see lincoln's mind liking symmetry, and he said i will vote to denounce sus sus session and rejoin the union, and he proposed similar things, and have the georgia -- have the governor declare -- bring the georgia legislature back and pull the troops from the field and renounce the succession and i will give you a couple years to join the amendment and he's riffing. he's not -

how did you get to abraham lincoln? it's it's a great question first. thank you, you know this actually is the day before the official release and i wanted to do the first live event with you all because the abraham lincoln book shop is just a national treasure and i'm honored to be part of it. you know one of the questions i often get is, you know, 16,000 lincoln books as you well know. why you why now why this i found a quote from general lucius clay, who was the general who led the occupation of germany after the second world war? and he was actually the son of a georgia senator born three decades after the civil war in a reporter asked him. what guided your decisions in that notably successful occupation the rarest of things and he said i tried to think what abraham lincoln would have done for the south. if he had lived. and that quote was the sort of seed that this book came from it stems from a fascination about how we go about winning a piece after winning a war something we've struggled with. this century not alone in that. also the question of

moments in communications history, but keep in mind that abraham lincoln who? who rated so ubiquitously in illinois? is largely silent as president of the united states. he does not make a lot of public speeches. of course. we're in a village now in which that exception lived in fame but aside from the inaugural addresses one of which i show here, of course the second inaugural there were few moments when we're at which lincoln thought it was necessary to appear personally, i think in a way he underestimated his impact. roosevelt who had difficulty moving about and needed a great deal of help and also some people call it a splendid deception, but at least needed the understanding of journalists and photographers and television reporters movie, you know movie reporters newsreel. that's the word to not focus on his disability and not capture the awkwardness of his moving into cars or off of trains. he discovered his medium was the radio and here you see him in a 1941 fireside chat one of 28 that he did and the reason i know it's 1941 is that he's wearing an armba

was a biography of lincoln called abraham lincoln, racist. i don't agree with it. the author was my friend, -- lauren and i were good friends in chicago. we got along very well, we argued with each other rather vigorously. but we were friends. and we respected each other as scholars. and this is my point is that these are different ways of seeing history and teachers and students benefit from these conversations. >> in our culture wars, people can cherry pick fact without nuance and when you say abraham lincoln was a racist, his statues need to come down, you overlook the fact that before he died he came around to supporting black suffrage and black civil rights and had he not been assassinated -- >> and it's important to know, this goes back to things are not simple, they're complicated. and that is important to stand for principles with different political -- the american historical association issued a very strong criticism of the san francisco school board when it was about to change the name of 44 schools, including abraham lincoln high

racist was a biography of lincoln called "abraham lincoln: racist." i don't agree with it. the author was my friend, laron bennett. we were good friends in chicago. we got along very well. we argued with each other rather vigorously. but we're friends and we respected each other as scholars. and this is my point, is that these are different ways of seeing history, and teachers and students benefit. >> yes. >> from these conversations. >> in our culture wars, people can cherry pick facts without nuance. and when you say abraham lincoln was a racist, his statues need to come down, you overlook the fact that before he died he came around to supporting black suffrage and black civil rights and had he not been assassinated, maybe reconstruction might have gone better. >> this goes back to, things are not simple, they're complicated, and that it's important to stand for principles with different political valences. the american historical association issued a very strong criticism of the san francisco school board when it was about to change the name of 44

was a racist was a biography of lincoln called abraham lincoln:racist. i don't agree with it. the author was my friend, we were good friends in chicago, we got along very well. we argued vigorously but we were friends, we respect each other as scholars and this is my point, that these are different ways of seeing history and teachers and students benefit from these conversations. >> in our culture wars people can cherry pick facts without nuance, and when you say abraham lincoln was a racist, stages need to come down you overlook the fact that before he died he came around to supporting black suffrage and black civil rights and had he not been assassinated - >> it is important to know, this goes back to things, they are complicated and it is important to stand for principles with different political valences. the american historical association issued a strong criticism of the san francisco school board when it was about to change the name of 44 schools including abraham lincoln high school and we said no. don't have a process where you consulted histori

they never left the union [inaudible] abraham lincoln. they were in rebellion, but wasn't the original legislature, perhaps, be the true legislature if [inaudible] we turn to u.s. laws and recognize u.s. government? >> well, this was lincoln's a theory of the case, right? but it is a significant, i think, misstep and certainly he was ultimately convinced of that but i think in part because appomattox took away the need for this idea. but he's in conversation with judge campbell and gustavus mired in richmond and i do think lincoln and richmond, which is the centerpiece of the book, and by the opening scene in the center of the book, is one of the most cinematic moments in american life that doesn't get, hasn't got, the attention it deserves. but he comes up with this idea, and you can sort of see, lincoln's mind liking symmetry. he said, you know, the liberal the rebel legislature that voted to secede vote to renounce secession and rejoin the union, that will be a nice little clean package. it will say the states are doing this on their o

and actively determined to become the first democrat to seize abraham lincoln for the democratic party and worked at that connection will still serving as governor of new york and particularly emphasized it as america went to war in 1941. he wanted references to lincoln's reluctance to start a hot war with southern states, with slave-holding states. his reluctant entrance to the war because he was still looking for a way for the united states to stop the spread of fascism. he even hired the, robert emmett surewood who just won a pulitzer prize writing the play then in illinois being then made into a hollywood movie later and sherwood puts reluctance to the leadership of lincoln. so very much identified with him and i don't know if anyone knows this but fdr came to gettysburg in a train and wrote his speech in the last minute on the train, i don't know if he visited the cemetery but visited something i think called the peace monument. yeah. so, and the speech was not only about peace in our time i guess, in the 19, early '40s but about lincoln and he supposedly met some sons of veterans

and with embalming with abraham lincoln where there can be these more elaborate elongated ceremonies before the president was interred, but still these modest funerals would still be in practice even into the 1900s grover cleveland's funeral from beginning from when the funeral first started at his home in princeton to when he was placed in the ground was barely one hour in princeton, new jersey. so extremely modest calvin coolidge's was probably the last of the modest funerals in 1932 were just several hundred guests attended this funeral in northampton, massachusetts. after that, we see where franklin roosevelt died in office in 1945 and there was this that major event, but it was unplanned because no one expected him to die. and that leads us into john f kennedy the next president to die and just very quickly after john f kennedy who also died on planned is when presidents started to do this pre-planning of funerals and and wondering binder that turned into three or that grew over time. so that's when we see the modern the modern-day state funeral that were so familiar with now re

even during the civil war when the northern armies came down to free the abraham lincoln had to issue the emancipationon proclamation because the were giving -- digging the trenches and even when they did a census in 1990 they found 90% of black people lived down south. >> host: there's a vaccinating point that you made to this point when you have the potential to remove and to remove faith remove being accountable and responsible for a higher authority the reason whyy you stress atheism and the lack of morality in your book is because you make it clear that were once a morals striving and blessed community. segregation the civil rights movement that something they held onto. once they were a butcher move that and replace with materialism and dependency that's when they begin to experience some of the most successful results to continue to demoralize that community. guess who we have always had poor people. we were killing each other and we were destroying our families. when the civil rights activated liberals were in that party they made it a conduit to the democratic party. politics

he has to make it poor as abraham lincoln said. only destroy to suicide. >> who are they? >> i'll put it right downde to e democrat party. not all of the people elected by the democrat party are, a lot of these peopleoc are in but the democrat party has so much control in order for them to win, they have to run as a democrat. they told me and they told you i can't run as republican or conservative or my district help me change it. if you can get my people support, i'll vote for it right now go out school choice. at least i'm doing a little bit of good rightnt now so who controls that party? land entered. the people whoho want to open border, the people in hollywood, they send all that money down to the democratic party. keeping people under control an- >> they found the politicians to carry out the agenda. >> you been a washington man for a long time and these lobbyists and they give money to the politicians and they are doing a good job she might the can't militarily but they can story and bring about fierce. like you talked about was covid-19 and the pandemic. >> the fig

abraham lincoln made clear it is the concept of consent that is the foundation for our form of government. he said famously no man is good enough to govern another man without that man's consent. he said in the context of slavery and he was right it has broader application as well. as i've said what comes executive branches it's easy to see how consent and the legitimacy that flows from that comes into play. voters cast their ballots for senators, for members of the house, for the president. once a person is in office voters conduct what you could describe as a performance evaluation. the next time that person is on the ballot voters determine where that person should remain in office or replaced by someone new. but again that is not true of the judicial branch which highlights and demonstrates why the judicial branch is different. why it should not be a policymaker. by judges should not be pronouncing judge made law that is not contained in the constitution t itself. it is important that our courts remain independent and be able to make those hard calls. but even people like judge breyer

abraham lincoln made clear that it's the concept of consent that is the foundation for our form of government. he said famously no man is good enough to govern another man without that man's consent. of course he used that in the context of slavery, and he was right, but it has broader application as well. as i said, when it comes to the executive and legislative branches, it's easy to see how consent and the legitimacy that flows from that comes into play. voters cast their ballot for senators, for members of the house, for the president. once a person is offered, voters do what is described as a performance evaluation, the next time that person is on the ballot, voters determine if that person should remain in office or be replaced by someone new. but, again, that's not true of the judicial branch which highlights and demonstrates why the judicial branch is different, why it shouldn't be a policy medicare, -- policymaker, why judges should not have judge-made law that's not in the constitution itself. it's important that our courts remain independent and be able to make those hard calls, bu

abraham lincoln made clear that it's the concept of consent that is the foundation for our form of government. he said famously, no man is good enough to govern another man without that man's consent. of course use that in the context of slavery, and he was right, that it has a broader application as well. as i said when it comes to the executive and legislative branches it's easy to seean how consent and the legitimacy that flows from that comes into play. voters cast their ballot for senators, four members of the house, for president, the president. once a person is office components conduct which you can describe as a performance evaluation. the next time that person is on the ballot, voters determine whether that person should remain in office or be replaced by someone new. but again that's not true of the judicial branch which highlights and demonstrates why the judicial branch is different, why it shouldn't be a policy maker, why judges shouldn't be pronouncing judgment law that's not contained in the constitution itself. it's important that our courts remain independent and be able to

but 4,000 people went away that day as evangelists for the -- to be opened abraham lincoln presidential library. that was the best response that i could come up with. so there was a -- i spent a lot of my time there trying to wiggle away at this, i think, kind of cynical, kind of superficial, you know, attempt to throw cold water on a pretty remarkable project. but then, once it opened, it was pretty clear to me. i had decided the year before i left that i had the obligation to get both the library and the museum built, opened, programmed, staffed -- we hired over 100 people without politicians being involved. and i have to say, i said to the governor, i'll do this on one condition, you keep the politicians at bay, and whatever else you say about the governor, there's one thing that can be said, he kept his word. and but it became clear to me once the place opened and once the politicians got their pictures taken and got whatever they were going to get out of the creation establishment of this institution that logic told me -- since the state was broke also -- that the level of support

abraham lincoln, who grew up in indiana. [laughter] mr. pence: we like to say lincoln made illinois, but indiana made lincoln. abraham lincoln had a great saying that he learned on his little farm in southern indiana. he said, if i had eight hours to chop down a tree, i would spend seven hours sharpening my ax. at this time in your life, sharpen your acts and become men and women of integrity and prepare for the future. i promise you, you become men and women with qualities that people trust and admire, then, hang onto your hat. i can testify firsthand, will never know, you'll never know where it'll take you. [applause] >> hello, mr. vice president, thank you for coming. i appreciate you coming and giving your speech. my name is jacob and i'm a fit -- physical philosophy student. i study the foundational theory of individual rights and how the thoughts have influenced our founders and the political debates that have gone on since then. i'm curious, as a policymaker and lawyer, if there's any political thinker that has influenced your own v

it is like abraham lincoln's golden apple of liberty. everyone wants to take a bite out of it. somebody hates left-wing speech and they want to censor it, someone hates speech from the right and the take a bite out of it. someone wants to censor mark twain, huckleberry finn because he is the end word and someone wants to censor the antiracist baby because they leave it can mean babies can be races. everyone wants to take one or two bites out of apple, but if we allow all those bytes there is no apple left. the way to say the apple for all of us is to learn to tolerate the speech you up or as well as the -- your poor as well as the speech you agree with. if we cancel or censor everything that people find offensive, nothing will be left. everybody is offended by something. that is why other people's level of defense cannot be the metric for defining whether your rights are my rights are vaporized. there is a famous story about lenny bruce, the risk a comedian from the middle of the last century. they said the show should be shut down because it offended him. he said from the stag

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they said this is a tree that was here when abraham lincoln was born and somehow just knowing that there was something living there from when he was born just made such an impact on me. so also as a native, kentucky and i have to think both about and mrs. lincoln, and we talked in one of the earlier panels, of course about all of us having to deal with different kinds of media, but she was really savaged in the media was she not during the civil war and so can we talk about that and and then maybe also get into the larger discussion of how first ladies have dealt with media and the changes in media. so i open that up to our group and i start with the dolly connection because this was her this was maybe a fatal decision on mary todd lincoln, by the way. i love that story because that really speaks to the power of place and person and sites presidential site absolutely and sites and the materiality of it and that's something else. we should have a whole another panel on but so i think this is true so mary todd lincoln try to make a sort of kinship connection with dolly madison because doll