david: alright, so you made some money at cleary gottlieb and then you went to ubs. you're in the financial services world, as it's now called. but then you left to work at a nonprofit in harlem. why did you do that? darren: because for me, it was never about piling up money. for me, it was ultimately about service. david: you did that for a number of years, then you joined the rockefeller organization. then you were recruited to go to the ford foundation. darren: i went to ford as a vice president. ford was a much larger foundation. it's about three times the size of rockefeller. so it was a lateral move, but i had a bigger remit. david: so ford was looking for a new president and you were one of the candidates. and as i understand it, you went into the interview and said i'm going to change this completely if i get this job. i'm going to focus on social inequality and make everything dealing with social inequality our focus. is that right? darren: yeah, so what i said was the foundation had lost our focus and that we needed a single northstar for our work, which we

david: all right, so you made some money at cleary gottlieb and went to ubs. you are in the financial services world, as it is now called. but then you left to go work at a nonprofit in harlem. why did you do that? darren: for me, it was never about piling up money. for me, it was ultimately about service. david: you did that for a number of years, then you joined the rockefeller organization. you ran a number of international programs, then you were recruited to go to the ford foundation. darren: i went to ford as a vice president. ford was a much larger foundation, about three times the size of rockefeller. it was a lateral move but i had a bigger remit. david: ford was looking for a new president and you were one of the candidates. so as i understand it, you went into the interview and said i am going to change this completely if i get this job. i'm going to focus on social inequality and make everything dealing with social inequality our focus. is that right? darren: yes. what i said was, the foundation was too disparately organized and we had lost our foc

david: alright, so you made some money at cleary gottlieb and then you went to ubs. you're in the financial services world, as it's now called. but then you left to work at a nonprofit in harlem. why did you do that? darren: because for me, it was never about piling up money. for me, it was ultimately about service. david: you did that for a number of years, then you joined the rockefeller organization. then you were recruited to go to the ford foundation. darren: i went to ford as a vice president. ford was a much larger foundation. it's about three times the size of rockefeller. so it was a lateral move, but i had a bigger remit. david: so ford was looking for a new president and you were one of the candidates. and as i understand it, you went into the interview and said i'm going to change this completely if i get this job. i'm going to focus on social inequality and make everything dealing with social inequality our focus. is that right? darren: yeah, so what i said was the foundation have lost our focus and that we needed a single northstar for our work, which w

david: alright, so you made some money at cleary gottlieb and then you went to ubs. you were in the financial services world, as it's now called. but then you left to go work at a nonprofit in harlem. why did you do that? darren: because for me, it was never about piling up money. for me, it was ultimately about service. david: right, so you did that for a number of years, and then you joined the rockefeller foundation. and then you rose up to be part of various international programs. and then you were recruited to go to the ford foundation. darren: i went to ford as a vice president. ford was a much larger foundation. it's about three times the size of rockefeller. so it was a lateral move, but i had a bigger remit. david: ok, so ford was looking for a new president and you were one of the candidates. and as i understand it, you went into the interview and said, i'm going to change this completely if i get this job. i'm going to focus on social inequality and make everything dealing with social inequality our focus. is that right? darren: yeah, so what i said was,