the franklin library. john adams, when he visited philadelphia, he said there is a nice market and better charitable foundations. had adams known franklin was the one behind a lot of those, maybe he would have changed his mind. if franklin were alive today, he would be flattened to see his money still funding trades, kids who want to learn trades, he would be glad and to see his money helped build the franklin institute. he would be ecstatic to see the franklin trade schools still running in boston. would he wondered why it has someone else's name on it? maybe, but he would monday -- wonder why it has his name on it. maybe he would say it is great. susan: before we started, i told you we pulled one quote to read to you. it's from page 150. "franklin hoped his last will and testament would persuade americans, the dying wish of his fellow founders only amplified the uniqueness of this reflect -- request as well as their shared moral sailings. it can be hard to appreciate what a radical step this was, while i

franklin for himself." what is it about benjamin franklin that makes him enduring? >> it is in the eye of the beholder. because he did so many things, i think it is easy, as different types of people look at a story to draw inspiration for him or question the things he did, or look at his legacy that others have not looked out quite strongly. host: you teach nonfiction writing at the university of pittsburgh. what number book is this real? >> this is a number four. host: you have an interesting origin story. tell me about it please. michael: i spent over a decade in china. i stayed on as adrenaline. when i got back to the states, i was invited to the state department for the president. i bought my first suit in herald square and walk to d.c. i want to the state department building. it looks like a chewing gum factory from outside. when you take the elevator up and step into the diplomatic reception room, it looks like something out of a movie. we are talking about honey colored herringbone wood floors. paul

but franklin was born in boston. he sat up -- what about group boston by the age of 17 or ran away to philadelphia and established himself as a leading year in philadelphia but in his 50's he was sent to england as a representative of pennsylvania assembly and he spent 18 years in london. he thought london was the greatest place going. franklin was one of those who is always looking for the bigger stage and the brighter lights. in fact it almost broke his heart that he found london -- the british were too short-sighted to be able to see the future of the british empire lay in equality between the north american colonies and britain itself and franklin imagined what a great thing this would be and he could not persuade the british that this was their future and because they refused to accept it they. franklin is a mere provincial his whole life. this finally was more than franklin could bear but basically he took the position that if these in london cannot see he's going to make franklin sent a modest but he was fully

but, getting back to franklin, franklin was a big believer in the humanities. the notion of being a well read. the notion of what we think of. >> 's because he doesn't get to go to school. and it being the tenth son is going to bend his father's tight to the lord. his father is going to send him to the ministry was a long time ago when harvard knew how to train ministers. franklin, let us say it was not cut through the cloth. one point he said to his father there assaulting with the provision he said let me say grace over right now get it done with once and for all for the entire winter. we don't have to say at every meal. his father decides not to send into harvard and he runs away to philadelphia. but it is that sort of self taught person he is apprenticed to his brother and every night he takes books down from the shelves and learns.be but franklin does that to people in history, maybe three, but two people in the history of humanity who really tried to learn everything you could possibly know about every subject that was knowable. leonardo da vinci and ben

stands out because franklin franklin was an enigma to so many and i want you to talk about why. this film because of course can is an extraordinary interpreter of history and particularly american culture? but why today? is an old dead white man like benjamin franklin relevant. yeah, ben franklin is the historical figure we most need back today. he's the person who helped try to unite. the colonies to dissipate the passions and the hatreds and the ideologies. he was a person who most connected science to statecraft believed as that thing as eclipse showed about the importance of saying let's not jump to conclusions. let's have the experiments be made whether it was about lightning or whether it was about taxation or he tied us together with the postal system. so he did so much but the main thing is the arc of his moral life. i think represents the ark of our nation's moral life a quest for self-improvement, but deep flaws that needed to be faced later in his life so that he could help rectify them the most obvious was that he enslaved two people when he owned his print shop in p

do you like franklyn. >> i like franklin. >> do you like franklin? >> i don't know. i never frankeled. i heard that on the muppet's show. i don't know, i never frankled as a verb. you know, folks, i spend most of my time right over there, mining the day's biggest, most important stories, collecting the finest, most topical iron ore, hand hammering it into joke panels. then i craft sheets of bronze emblazoned with patterns that tell an epic tale of conquest and glory. then, using the germanic traditional pressblech process, i place thin sheets of foil against the scenes, and by hammering or otherwise, applying pressure from the back, i project these scenes into a pair of cheek guards and a faceplate. and, finally, using fluted strips of white alloyed moulding, i divide the designs into framed panels and hold it all together using bronze rivets to create the beautiful and intimidating anglo-saxon battle helm that is my nightly monologue. but sometimes, sometimes, folks, i come to my senses fully naked on the deck of a pirate-besieged malay container ship that picked me

and of course your biography of benjamin franklin stands out because franklin, franklin was an evening not for so many and i want you to talk about why this film because of course ken is an extraordinaryinterpreter of history, particularly on american culture . but why today is an old dead white man like benjamin franklin relevant? >> ben franklin is the historical figure we most need today. he's the person who tried to unite colleges, to dissipate the discussions and ideologies. he was a person most most connected science and statecraft . believed about the importance of saying let's not jump to conclusions but have the experiments made whether it was about lightning or taxation. he tied us together with the poster syndrome so he did so much but the main thing is the archetypal moral life whether it be our nation's moral life, a quest for self-improvement but the flaws that needed to be faced later in his life so he could help rectify them. the most obvious was that he enslaved to people when he left his print job in philadelphia and then he becomes appalled at that concept. he talked

in benjamin franklin's case he was 70 years old when he became a rebel and franklin's case allows me to tell the personal side of the same story. it's william franklin who remained a loyalists. william franklin remained a loyalists in and the sun was a moreta conservative one and the sun was the one who stuck with the status quo. this is why a rope the book. >> be getting with the signing of the declaration of independence or more accurately with the battles of lexington and concord. in your book you take going back long before there was an actual conflict and you also point out the forum andat jim and franklin oiwell into 1775 he was hoping r reconciliation with the british empire and an arrangement could be achieved whereby the united states for what would become the united states but where the colonies would partner with the british motherland in a world empire. i found that reallyie really interesting and i thought maybe he could elaborate on that because it's also a very fresh approach. >> so yes i do start the story on lexington and concord even before the french and indian war

anything benjamin franklin gives us a guide? t >> but he believes it comes from the middle class and small business to be able to grow. starting enterprise. entrepreneurial culture. and then and then to lose a bigm governments but also bigts corporations but i'm like you believing in the americano system of free market and capitalism but we don't think big corporations those in my class have great ideas for services but the main thing they worry about about facebook and google if it becomes good. we have too have a system. >> and to make it equitable my wife kathy is very involved which is to have a revolving fund of people unlike me to have an aunt or uncle who could help. so to make sure everybody has that opportunity to start something the.ad >> the last point i would like you to address because we are here at tulane and in many ways like the great american runiversities to laying grappled with the role of higher education i would like you to reflect on what you think the role is and what worries you for help and encouragemen

benjamin franklin became a rebel. william franklin remained the loyalist. thee sun was a more conservative one. the sun was the one who stuck with the status quo. this is what i wrote the book and this is a story i try to tell. >> well, you do it in a really fascinating way. now, conventional american revolution narrative usually begin, or so they are taught in schools and such, as beginning with the signing of the declaration of independence, or more accurately with the battle of lexington and concord. but inal your book you take the roots of it back, not only to the french and indian war, but even in the decade before that. and you see the roots of this brewing bifurcation as going back long before the was an actual conflict, whereas as you also point out, for benjamin franklinn well into 1775 he was still hoping for reconciliation with the british empire and that an arrangement could be achieved whereby the united states of what would become the united states, that's an anachronism then, but where the colonies would become partners with the british mothe

benjamin franklin franklin was a revolutionary unlikely because franklin it would work even better for benjamin franklin. he would become world famous in the british empire and george washington was never, well he wasn't a very excitable character so he didn't get excited about the british empire. benjamin franklin was an enthusiast of the empire. he thought it was the greatest thing going and while he might have because it was within the british empire and under the auspices in which the opportunities the empire provided, benjamin franklin became the most famous american of his time. if there's never been a revolutionary war it's entirely possible the world wouldn't have bheard of washington he was a planner and would have lived as a planner and that would have been that. you write the declaration of independence and famous but if there's no independence there's no independence. people never heard of him because he was a world famous scientist. he was an enthusiast of the british empire but he turned against the british empire and the striking thing about franklin is it's very common

yeah, i always say sara and franklin were in love with the same person, franklin. she was devoted, totally devoted to him, for sure, and not always nice to eleanor. but she drove eleanor out of that house. that house that i work in. she made things so difficult for eleanor there that, and finally, said to eleanor, reportedly, you know, you're a bad housewife, you can't cook, you're a bad mother. franklin doesn't like spending time with you. why don't you go do something? i go down to the lower east side and work in, you know, relief agencies, i work in poor childrens, i work with black leaders, which, by the way she did, she did all of that and said eleanor became, this is a 6 foot woman not the most graceful in the world, became a dance instructor at the lower east side settlement house and that launched her career in public service herself. lincoln's mother very briefly, because i guess we're out of time, but lincoln obviously was deeply affected by the tragedy of the loss of his natural mother, i mean nailing shut the coffin of your mother by hand must be trauma

and you say, “but franklin, what do you mean by sin? “what is that strange concept? “we don't talk about that.” well, the bible says telling a lie is a sin. have you ever lied? of course you have. all of us have lied. the bible says all men are liars. it's true. stealing is a sin. and you say, “but franklin, you mean if i took a quarter “out of my mother's purse many years ago, "does that count?” sure it does. we're all guilty. we have broken god's laws. adultery, any type of sexual relationship out of a marriage relationship, is a sin against god, and jesus took it even further. he said if you looked upon a woman and you had lust in your heart it's the same as committing adultery. murder is a sin, and jesus, again, took it even further. if you had hatred in your heart toward your brother, this is the same as committing murder. all of us are guilty. bearing false witness is a sin. not honoring your parents is a sin. pride is a sin, and the list goes on. it only takes one, and of course, as far as god is concerned, we're guilty of all of them, because we are

yeah, the fall guy after pearl harbor that was but franklin roosevelt. as i mentioned just a minute ago shocked as i believe he genuinely was he got a phone call from winston churchill who heard about this on the radio. oh my gosh. what what's this about pearl harbor? what have i heard? and he said yes, it's true. we're all in the same boat now roosevelt had been determined to save britain if he could lend lease whatever aid he could provide he comes up with the whole idea of lending a garden hose of your neighbor's house is on fire. well now clearly is the opportunity to provide all the aid that britain needs and the soviet union too for that matter since hitler had invaded the soviet union in june of that year. so this gave him a vision that the war could be one and i think that was just as for lincoln winning the war was first abolishing slavery is great, but you've got to win the war you have to hold a union together or nothing else can happen and i think roosevelt felt the same way about the second world war. and you alluded to the fact that rooseve

and as catherine said, i work in franklin d. and eleanor roosevelt's town house in new york city, which is filled with the memories of the transition of 1932 - 33, roosevelt's recovery from polio, and has the first fireside chat and so-and-so. and now as i think we bridge both worlds, i think it would be interesting to talk about lincoln and was a vault. and in c-span's most recent historians poll, these two americans originals were in the top three as they always are among historians. and they have kept their reputation, and as you see on the screen, both faced significant crises at the beginning of their presidencies, their respective presidencies. the image that you see here is lincoln in the first year of his presidency -- 1861 -- and roosevelt within the first year or two -- i'm not sure of the date of this one -- but early in his presidency. so, here's how we are going to handle our chat today. i'm going to pose a question or a theme, an area to discuss. i'll start with a lincoln comment, usually, and then i'll turn it ove

franklin named it y portage, and wrote in his journal. - [franklin] today the river was found to be barred by impassable heavy falls. we therefore turned off to make a portage more to the westward. our astonishment may be imagined on perceiving at this point an icy covering over the bed of a ravine. this accumulation appeared to have been the collection of some years, and probably will increase until the glacier be formed. - [narrator] what franklin described was actually not a glacier but overflow ice, formed when water flowing under the rocks freezes and is ford up over the ice, building up layer upon layer. the ice is melted, but the flat surface of the rocks is evidence that a thick sheet of ice once covered this area. it was the first clear evidence of climate change. franklin found the portage difficult, and made this comment. - [franklin] the task was extremely laborious and not performed without much risk of the men laming themselves. - [narrator] for me it was an all-day trudge in 80 degree weather. there was a discernible trail at each end of the mile-long portage, but in the mid

and brandy after dinner hated franklin roosevelt's cocktails, by the way, f is amazing. we are all speaking german because fdr would make these horrible wasp martinis of which you would think is redundant, which was three quarters vermouth one quarter, jen. and so churchill would pour them out in the plant outside the oval study in the central room on the second floor of the white house and the plant died. but the great story of course is on boxing day december 26 1941 churchill is dictating his speech that day to the house of representatives is going to be a remarkable speech and he was in his bathtub and churchill wrote as he talked. he dictated everything. that's why his stuff all sounds like him and so he gets up out of the tub. he's still going. he's marching around in all his glory and there's a knock on the door and it's fdr and fdr's pushed in by arthur prettyman his ballet. and churchill of roosevelt sees the entirely naked winston churchill there and he says, oh, i'm sorry winston. i'll come back in churchill said, oh no mr. president as you can see, i have not

>> franklin is the guy you most want to hang around with. he loved inventing things he want to show them off. farmers daughter's jokes which we shouldn't do now. to me, leonardo is the great mystery. just like the mona lisa there are no sharp lines everything is slightly blurred. with him it's always slightly blurry and i would love to drill down with him on how he just loved every subject imaginable he thought of himself as an engineer and scientist not as an artist. ask if you could interview and have dinner with anybody jefferson winston churchill. >> of this interesting theological questions most want to go back to ruby passover in the common era there rest the soup to what extent in real time what part of that historical event understand their larger significance? or was it just a quick that went bad? that's the main thing. >> that would be an easy interview? >> that have the printed and red letters. >> what is the most important lesson we learn? >> the same one from 1918 which is to tell the truth. doth you know, recent study of 7 coun

so no franklin, no us. he comes back and helps forge the compromises, some of them tragic of the constitution that enabled the united states to get started. he himself when he made summon any, he retired and had employed enslaved people -- i guess employed -- he had enslaved people in his house hoed. he starts a school in philadelphia for black kids and finds out, surprise, surprise, they're equal in their potentiality as white students. by the end of his life he joined an abolitionist society and he proposes into the congress of the united states his creation the first res dugs against slavery, the senate ignores it, the house doesn't pass it. we try to tell stories, as you know, warts and all. i'm very excited for people to see it. he is the most accessible of our founding fathers because he's trying like the more perfect union that we're trying to have to get better. he's trying to see what his flaws are. he's examining it. he had only two years of schooling. the commentator says in the film, he didn't k

[laughter] it changes depending on the moment of history but at this moment, benjaminon franklin is e person who knew most unified different viewpoints, who could see across different disciplines see the patterns who understood the basic underlying values that would've meant to be an american and you helped bring the colonies together but also understood how to do a realistic dbalance of power, and if we we doing badly i think with ukraine situation we are trying or not trying to create a deal balance with china and others. >> okay, so you have written books on steve jobs is reported that you're working on one with elon musk and you know bill gates he wrote a book about albert einstein and which of those four are smarter. >> elbert einstein. [laughter] [laughter] >> okay no doubt about it okay. >> will you write about poor people in any point. >> which one has a small seagull. >> my favorite onn the ego was henry kissinger, because he did not have any humility but along that ben franklin use' which is if you truly meet humility you just need the pretense of humility and have to learn

churchill said that meeting franklin roosevelt was like opening a bottle of champagne. winston churchill was equally praiseworthy -- franklin roosevelt was equally praiseworthy of winston churchill. with stalling, it was standoffish. it was a -- stalin, it was standoffish. it was a matter of convenience. hitler invaded russia. that is why joe stalin became a member of the big three. he was always a junior varsity member and always suspicious of churchill on roosevelt. that is why he insisted that the conference be held at yalta and not miami beach, where i am sure fdr would have preferred, because he was terrified of being assassinated and he wanted the situation under his control. that is why he insisted on the peace conference young at yalta. having said that, the russian army did discover shorts -- auschwitz. they did march into berlin. they did provide adequate counteroffensive's against the german offensive. they lost a lot of men. a lot of carnage went on that may be called for some other type of maneuver. he was not a member of the big three. churchill and roosev

let's create >>> last night a two part documentary on benjamin franklin premier on pbs it follows the founding father's multifaceted life. joining us now is ken burns. joining us now is ken burns and also walter isaacson, also a cnbc contributor and gentlemen, welcome we spent the entire commercial break talk about this beforehand i think we're going to spend the breaks after this talking about this because benjamin franklin is one of the most fascinating subjects on the planet, and as much you know about him it's never enough you think about all the things he did from being a diplomat, a scientist, inventor, a writer. he created the first public library. he founded upenn i could go on and on, why you focused on him, what you found mo most amazing and have you ever found another person like him? >> no, not at all. he's the founding father we most need right now he's the most inventive of the founding fathers and like elon musk he likes that edit button changing things and saying it his own way. here's a mistake i've made in my life and here's how i'm going to correct my mistake so tha

well, i'll stop i'll start with benjamin franklin who's everybody's popular grandfather figure even in the hamilton play the one thing that they left out of the play was benjamin franklin because the play right said if you let him and he'll take over everything but worldwide probably are best known founding father was benjamin franklin. he was the inventor. he was the guy with the wheelbarrow gathering up scraps of garbage to make soap. he was writing in autobiography that generations of students had to read but he was also sort of the quintessential new american so i i've studied him a lot and what i've learned about him for one thing is that he was totally honest and very frugal but every once in a while, he could be very naive. for example when he was finishing up as our ambassador to france and had put together the french alliance with the king when he was coming home. he got the traditional gift that the french king gave to diplomats when they were going home, which was often a snuff box. the country was the french were addicted to grinding up tobacco and sniffing on it and you've

well, i'll stop i'll start with benjamin franklin who's everybody's popular grandfather figure even in the hamilton play the one thing that they left out of the play was benjamin franklin because the play right said if you let him and he'll take over everything but worldwide probably are best known founding father was benjamin franklin. he was the inventor. he was the guy with the wheelbarrow gathering up scraps of garbage to make soap. he was writing in autobiography that generations of students had to read but he was also sort of the quintessential new american so i i've studied him a lot and what i've learned about him for one thing is that he was totally honest and very frugal but every once in a while, he could be very naive. for example when he was finishing up as our ambassador to france and had put together the french alliance with the king when he was coming home. he got the traditional gift that the french king gave to diplomats when they were going home, which was often a snuff box. the country was the french were addicted to grinding up tobacco and sniffing on it and you've

after returning to -- returning to anchor the cbs news with art franklin. he first came to birmingham in 1991 and spent 12 years at wbrc tv where he was a trail blazer, becoming birmingham's first african-american male to anchor in primetime. during his career of almost four decades, art has worked as a radio announcer, radio news direct york production manager, a talk show host of both radio and television, a television news producer, host of a television public affairs show, and the producer of the national association of black journalists award show that was aired on bet. in addition to his time as a journalist, art was c.e.o. of atlanta based independent record company, 285 records. the author of a book "give it all you got," art launched in 2021 the art franklin collection a clothing line of men's tierks beau ties, shirts and custom suits. art sits on numerous boards in the state of alabama. he's an avid cook and tennis player and he's a proud member of omega psi phi fraternity. i ask my colleagues to join me in recognizing art franklin in his extraord

he was part of the honor guard for franklin roosevelt's funeral. then he used his magazine to bash the new deal and fdr the rest of his life, and he was part of the honor guard. the second one, by the way, this should be a movie, is that serena and i we had a neighbor of ours down in virginia by the name of dick schneider. he had a great story in and of itself. he was part of the only three-year class at west point that was rushed out to get into the war. he flew p-47s, close air support for the da invasion. he was shot down. he survived, fortunately. but he was hidden in a belgian farmer's barn. and he was there for about three weeks before german patrols picked him up. and he went into a p.o.w. camp and spent the duration of the war in that camp. before he left, in gratitude he gave the belgian farmer's wife his silk parachute. there is a forward. dick's wife, mary was a surfer of the internet. she's elderly but proficient with a computer. she comes across a story about a woman in belgium who is getting married. and she's getting married in a sil

he was part of the honor guard for franklin roosevelt's funeral the engine. he said he's used his magazine to bash the new deal and fdr for the rest of his life and he was part of the honor guard the second one. and by the way, this should be a movie is that serena and i we had a neighbor of ours down back in virginia by the name of -- snyder now -- snyder had a great story in and of self he was part of the only three year class of west point there was rushed out. into the war he flew of p-47s close air support for the dna invasion. he was he was shot down. he survived fortunately, but he was hid he was hidden in a belgian farmers of barn. and he was there for about three weeks before german patrols picked him up and he went into appear w camp and spent the duration of the war in the pierogi camp. before he left in gratitude he gave the belgian farmer's wife his silk parachute, which is silk was highly prized. flash forward now 50 60 years later. is that his -- wife. mary was great surfer of the internet. she's elderly but she's very proficient with a compute

reportera: un amigo que viajaba con Él les comentÓ que franklin muriÓ deshidratado, cerca de mcallen. >> sus cuerpos fueron cremados se causa el covid 19 y los otros 4 vinieran ya de manera fÍsica, por las causas de muerte en su mayorÍa fue ahogamiento y deshidrataciÓn. reportera: uno de los 6 cadÁveres que llegaron en las Últimas horas a honduras era el de franklin >> hay instrucciÓn de la cancillerÍa de la repÚblica y es que los procesos sean mÁs expeditos, mÁs humanos y hayan entregas mÁs. reportera: el nuevo gobierno comenzÓ a utilizar el aviÓn presidencial para repatriar a los hondureÑos que han muerto en la ruta migratoria el nÚmero va creciendo y hay unas 100 solicitudes familias para que le devuelvan el cuerpo de su familiar que muriÓ intentando llegar. felix: a pesar de que han pasado varios meses persisten las dolorosas secuelas que le han quedado un inmigrante en un accidente en chiapas el aÑo pasado. tu testimonio desgarrador de lo que sucediÓ. reportero: martÍn se dice vivo de milagro, aunque las secuelas lo tienen muy mal. >> como si estuviera hinchado

franklin: la culpa es de joe biden y los demÓcratas. desde que biden llegÓ a la casa blanca a la gasolina aumentÓ. la inflaciÓn era de 1.6% cuando llegÓ a la casa blanca y ahora es de 6.6%. adonÍas: por supuesto la pandemia y ahora el conflicto de ucrania. era obvio que Íbamos a llegar a esto. ahora tenemos el porcentaje de desempleo mÁs bajo de las Últimas dÉcadas. carolina: la gente en casa sufre cuando van a comprar algo y se dan cuenta de que no les alcanza. cuÁl es la soluciÓn? franklin: hay que reducir el gasto. hay que acabar con la guerra y dependencia energÉtica. adonÍas: asegurarnos que la comunidad pueda regresar a la normalidad luego de covid—19. carolina: puede enviarnos sus opiniones. muchas gracias. borja: muchas gracias. vamos con buenas noticias. si debes menos de $50,000 en prÉstamos estudiantiles, hay buenas noticias. el presiente biden estÁ considerando perdonar esa deuda y ya solicitÓ las medidas. los pagos quedarÍan suspendidos y las tasas de interÉs en 0 hasta el prÓximo aÑo. carolina: un pan

tonight on q and a, michael meyer, author of benjamin franklin's last bet talks about franklin's micro lending scheme and its legacy. >> in his will he says it is my opinion that good apprentices make good citizens, and he made a point of saying early on in order for our republic to survive we need people who have their ear to the ground, who understand the effects of policy at the grassroot level of taxation, legislation. tradespeople, he said, circulate in the community, they interact with people of different classes, different breeds, different origins on a daily basis read -- daily basis. announcer: michael meyer tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's q and a. you can listen to you and a -- q and a and all of our podcasts on our free c-span now out. -- if confirmed ketanji brown jackson would be the first african-american woman to serve on the high court. watch live coverage beginning at 10:00 eastern on c-span, online at c-span.org or watch on our free video app, c-span now. announcer: c-span has unfiltered coverage of the u.s. response to russia's invasion of ukraine, bringing

. >> representative franklin. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and i appreciate our what being here today. as a former naval aviator that spent more time than i care to remember in my dear and now here in congress, reading about the threat and understanding how significant it is -- mop gear -- the value and is exercised to me was kind to god that it never happened but you all don't have that luxury. you've got to deal with it and it's a very real threat but i fear too often as back burner it does get the attention it needs and i know that's not the only thing jeff on vitally important. and if it ever happens it will probably be one of the worst things that ever happened to the united states but i do have a couple questions and admiral green you and i've had conversations about the authorities and helping me understand how all of this shakes out because it's a very complex problem set. but i understand socom for naming authority on a phony. i'm curious the would be the core needing authority in the event, in an actual event after the fact? >> well

franklin roosevelt is turning in his grave. he would turn in his grave if somebody would have whisper to him how his party lost blue collar labor to donald trump. how did that happen white blue color white blue collar labor important? yes, the republicans have made the working class. so working class is not all white. in fact, it's getting less white over time. republicans have made inroads with black voters a tiny bit. it's still but like 90 to voters and latino voters, which is probably more even more concerning to democrats. but for the most part, you're right african americans still vote 90 plus percent latinos like 2-1, but white blue collar labor and important constituency feels and we can get into this whole debate about how it want. why did trump win was it racial antagonism class antagonism, but there are many white blue collar workers you feel abandoned by the democratic party and part of it is culture. i think a lot of those workers our church goers and feel like democratic party is secular party a lot of them also a