the >> all right, elizabeth williamson. thank you so much for your coverage in for joining us tonight. we greatly appreciated. joining us now is towels we -- nbc political analyst. thank you for being here this evening. this cast of characters from trump, world they believe that they can act with impunity. we see that time and time again, no matter what destruction they cause, alex jones is finally facing accountability. do you see this trickling down to the rest of trump world? >> i would hope so. what is happening with jones and some other actors is that they see an opportunity for a tremendous amount of cash to be made for peddling these lies. and yet the dissent the psychology of why that works, which is when your confronted -- will some people, are confronted with the set of facts that they believe in, or don't want to believe in, that make them uncomfortable, that make them afraid, they're criminals coming, and you need, guns whatever the set of facts is, it makes them open to an alternative set of facts because they

joining me is "the new york times'" elizabeth williamson. you've been following, elizabeth, this story and the consequences of alex jones' lies about sandy hook shootings for years. what stood out to you in court today? >> hey, anderson. thanks for having me on. i think what stood out to me is that this is the first time that we have heard a dollar figure attached to the suffering that these families have gone through after alex jones began spreading lies about sandy hook, that it was a government hoax in service to gun control. this is an attempt to sort of, you know, put a material value on what they've gone through as that sort of secondary trauma after the shooting itself. >> the $150 million in damages, $75 million represents one dollar for each person who didn't believe the shooting occurred because of false information pushed by alex jones. that's what the lawyers are saying. i'm wondering what the reaction from jones was when that number was set in court. >> he was visibly unnerved by that. it's kind of a complicated formula that the

joining me now is the new york times elizabeth williamson, who has been covering the trial from austin, texas. she's also the author of sandy hook, an american tragedy and the battle for truth. published earlier this year. you've been following this story and the consequences of alex jones's lies about sandy hook shooting for years. what stood out to you in court today? >> hey, anderson. thank you for having me on. i think what stood out to me is that this is the first time that we have heard $1 figure attached to the suffering that these families have gone through after alex jones began spreading lies about sandy oaks, that it was governed hoax and in service of gun control. so this is an attempt to sort of put on material value on what they have gone through as sort of that secondary trauma after the shooting itself. >> the hundred $50 million in damage, 75 million of that represents $1 from each person who did not believe the shooting occurred because of false information pushed by alex jones, that is what the lawyers are saying. i wonder what the reaction from jones was one that nu