relationship with taiwan. washington does not have formal diplomatic ties with the island, but maintains what it calls a policy of "strategic ambiguity." it recognizes the chinese government in beijing, but not china's territorial claim to taiwan. the u.s. does supply weapons to taipei under its "1979 taiwan relations act." the island is a major economic and technology partner to the u.s. it supplies more than half of the world semiconductor's. china sees taiwan as a breakaway province that will eventually be united and hasn't ruled out using force. ♪ kim: bringing our guests. in taipei, vincent chao, former director of the political division, taipei economic and cultural representative office in the u.s., and a former chief of staff to both the taiwan national security council, and foreign minister. in miami, june teufel dreyer, a professor of political science at the university of miami, and editor of the book "taiwan in the era of tsai ing-wen: changes and challenges." and in beijing, henry huiyao wang, f

that if taiwan is cedar over in some form, they would just be taiwan. i mean, tara china would still continue to be aggressive in the area. and i think that's, that's very key to keep in mind. i'm just looking here on my laptop and it says a piece that you wrote brian for the guardian. it says, don't believe china's convenient historical tales. taiwan belongs to the taiwanese earlier this month on biology was show the bottom line. the u. s. ambassador to china had this to say about the history of china and taiwan. and the relationship between taiwan and china haven't listened to this. the question of taiwan fundamentally speaking is not about to democracy or freedom is about china's national sovereignty. and a territory integrity is about the national dignity of chinese people. the historical fact is that china has been pop. taiwan has been part of china since ancient times. people need to understand history and need to know the international law. ryan, how do you argue with a country that says it's a historical fact that your nation is part of our nati

china starts operating closer and closer to taiwan, i think taiwan— and closer to taiwan, i think taiwan will likely be cautious and probably not engage in significant activity to strike the chinese first rarity which activities _ the chinese first rarity which activities and if china starts flying — activities and if china starts flying over taiwan airspace. but, _ flying over taiwan airspace. but, as_ flying over taiwan airspace. but, as we see the two militaries started coming even closer— militaries started coming even closer and operating closer and closer — closer and operating closer and closer together. there is a risk— closer together. there is a risk of— closer together. there is a risk of potential escalation. if risk of potential escalation. if china _ risk of potential escalation. if china decides to fly aeroplanes over taiwan airspace, taiwan may try to intercept— airspace, taiwan may try to intercept them and what happens intercept them and what happens in the _ intercept them and what happens in the air, — intercept them and what happens in the air, we coul

for the taiwan people. i really hope the americans won't come around to mess things up so that we can live a peaceful life. but if this is being seen as a united front completely in the market, us just not true, is it because you've got a top us officials, military figures, according to joe biden, at least saying that policy stopping in taipei is just not the right time. so how does the house speak or what she, what is her supporter said to justify it? it was interesting that we just got that statement from her and which she's kind of really giving a blanket response to all of these legitimate concerns that are being raised here. and this is a different town in order, notably than what we've heard from her in the past. but it's also notable, we're still waiting from for a statement from the, by the administration to see what they will say. because the last we heard from secretary of state blink, and he claimed that he had no idea about clothes these plans, and that it was entirely up to her as to whether or

more missiles over taiwan, more missiles coming closer to taiwan. i think another way to think about the potential for escalation, you know, is the creation of a new status quo with ships and aircraft routinely violating the middle line. so when there is another provocation, do you get closer, do you violate territorial waters of the main island? right? so i think to some extent, what you are going to see is a competition in kind of displays of resolved by the two sides. and, you know, as was talked about earlier, the u.s. is going to need to show some response to this over time, right? and whether those are just transits or other, new planned exercises that are flagging that sort of commitment is hard to predict. but i just feel very confident that the navy is going to want to show that it is not being deterred and that is to taylor's point of then china is going to need to feel -- feel the need to respond because they are try to send the signal that this is not acceptable. it's not the next policy visit, but if you are china looking out at the u.s

and — to always stand with taiwan. and on— to always stand with taiwan. and on the strong foundation, we have — and on the strong foundation, we have built a thriving partnership, grounded in our shared — partnership, grounded in our shared values of self—government and self—determination, focused on our mutual security in the region— our mutual security in the region and across the world, committed to the economic ties that power prosperity for all of our — that power prosperity for all of our people. studio: so nancy pelosi laying out a little bit of a history of the relations between the two countries. worth pointing out also that there are very few countries that do recognise taiwan as an independent state, and those who do are relatively small countries and dwindling in number. nonetheless the united states in particular leading the drive to make the point that the right to self—government and self determination is etched into taiwan's make up and should be maintained. today, our delegation, which i'm today, our delegation, which i'm ve

s. relationship with taiwan. washington does not have formal diplomatic ties with the island, but maintains what it calls. a policy of strategic ambiguity recognizes the chinese government in beijing, but not china's territorial claim to taiwan. the u. s. does supply weapons to taipei and it's 1979. taiwan relations act. the island is a major economic and technology partner to the u. s. it supplies more than half of the world. semiconductors, china seas, taiwan as a breakaway province. that will eventually be united and hasn't rolled out using force. ah, let's bring in our guests in taipei, vincent chow form a director of the political division at the time pe, economic and cultural representative office in the u. s. and a former chief of staff to both the taiwan national security council and foreign minister in miami, june 24 drayer, professor political science at the university of miami and editor of the book taiwan in the area of science. when changes and challenges. and in beijing, henry who yeah, when founder

he means a lot to taiwan is taiwan, has been facing continue, a diplomatic isolation. a fight is self isolated in the international society. so visit from a senior official of the us will be seen as a huge support from the us below this trip of course, is highly symbolic and a major victory for you as taiwan relations. however, we also have to note that this definitely would provoke china. even though there was no direct mation of china in the public remarks. now, zachary, are people in taiwan worried about the economic trade and the military implications for the country. busy well, you know, before, below pelosi arrived in taiwan time and people actually in fact, focus on domestic, easiest mold in her trip here. but no, we can feel that must tie one. these people now are actually happy to see pillows this feed it and they are not worried at all. a bowler fits from china, says they actually have been facing the threads for years over some now are actually a bit worried about beat her exit faces. the china has scheduled to conduct august 4th, since this may be the very

the taiwan a-shares, we see taiwan stocks down around 2%. not the same magnitude of losses we saw in the taiwanese dollar, below the 30 level. it is the market volatility on the back of nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan. further come back is quite interesting to me, there is a sense of markets waiting to see, we have the meeting and the press conference to follow today in terms of how prices affect a geopolitical risk. we have heard china announcing a military drills and circling taiwan, setting the stage for some of the most provocative action we have seen in decades. this will be playing out when it comes to safe havens. the rally installing near a full week high, we saw some of the additional tailwinds coming from the pelosi trip in addition to global recession concerns, helping gold rebound. we are watching dollars, china as well. a bit of weakness when it comes to the dollar. take a look at the further upside, penson worldwide -- the wild ride on the golden dragon index. shery: it was interesting to see the market action today. there was a

i think the legitimate interests of the people of taiwan not for taiwan before our american economic interests. and the same thing we've done with ukraine with instrumental eyes, the problem in the ukraine. and of course, military industrial complex is laughing all the way down to the bank, and anyone who was invested in the military is very happy about ukraine. them is very happy about being sent to taiwan when i do not see a conflagration anytime soon. angelo one could also was just as alfred alluded to their how helpful this is for the tie when these themselves is there an argument to be made that they could be left in a much more tense environment than before despite pelosi is trying to achieve our see she wants to do was ponies, there's a very large majority that one does start to score it is going against of course one's interest. keep in mind that one is actually the fact to economically integrated with china. 50 percent of a cohen's expose go to china to highly dependent on china. you have 2000000 taiwanese that actually leave on the mainland. so you have the factory integrat

so where is taiwan? nod east, i want in a place in which it needs to prepare economically and militarily and foster potential chinese envision. i think, as we wet that as it's like in all rural men, proper sage is back in part of be room. if you want to have your freedom, you have to be prepared to fight for you or for you for your peace and freedom. and that's what we've been doing the last in the last yes. maybe in the last ticket you have been doing that, but do you not think that the intensity of that has to increase the frequency with which you do that has to increase? so there is more of a pressure on taiwan is there not after these recent tensions, it is after admit it is, but we want it. that's another reason why we give up our freedom democracy. this over is of course, it is always risk. we are, we knew it by the we are sticking in assemble together. we americans, we sort of friends around what i see didn't a boat and nobody rosabelle. right. but we will talk about that. but i would like to talk

s. relationship with taiwan. washington does not have formal diplomatic ties with the island, but maintains what it calls. a policy of strategic ambiguity recognizes the chinese government in beijing, but not china's territorial claim to taiwan. the u. s. does supply weapons to tie pay and it's 1979 taiwan relations act. the island is a major economic and technology ponder to the us. it's applies more than half of the world semiconductors, china seas, taiwan as a breakaway province. that will eventually be united and hasn't rolled out using force. ah, let's bring in our guests in taipei, vincent chow form a director of the political division at the time pe, economic and cultural representative office in the u. s. and a former chief of staff to both the taiwan national security council and foreign minister in miami, june 24 drayer, professor political science at the university of miami and editor of the book taiwan in the area of science. when changes and challenges. and in beijing, henry cleo, when founder and pr

house has traveled to taiwan. they regularly go to taiwan. our congress is an independent body of our government involving our policy toward taiwan or china. we continue to have a one china policy and continue to object to any unilateral change in the status quote whether that be from the prc were from taiwan. china's reaction was completely unnecessary. clearly, they were not happy with the speaker's visit and you saw a series of live fire demonstrations including something around dozen missile exercises that bracketed the island. you see an increased pace of naval and air activities in the straight including those over the so-called center line between mainland china and taiwan. clearly, the prc is trying to coerce taiwan and coerce the international community. we are not going to take the bait and it's not going to work. it's a manufactured crisis that does not mean we have to play into that. i think it would only play to beijing's advantage. what we will do instead is to continue to fly, sale and operate wherever international law allows

and taiwan. in dealing with this threat from china, your last walk of a moment of truth for approaching a richer because that her, her moment of truth arrived there because of man to spur, man, super lucy's recent visit. what i, i don't think so. i mean, there are all sorts of different take some nancy pelosi visit and what the chinese exercise that took place after it. mean some people i've been talking to here to say that they do feel that the chinese did show degree of restraint in those exercises. but what they also did was establish what we talked about as a new normal, that china's a fighter jets, for instance, now go further than they did across what's called a median line. at the line sort of in between taiwan and china. on the, in the taiwan strait. but the kind of moment of truth i'm really talking about here is the fact that china says that it wants to re unify as they put it with taiwan. and a great charity of the people of taiwan. say that they simply don't want that. how do you reso

for the taiwan people. i really hope the americans won't come around to mess things up so that we can live a peaceful life policy talking about taiwanese democracy, taiwanese democracy here, and you hear some of the comments from the locals as saying they're really concerned because this is, it's flaring an awful lot of tension between the 2 biggest players on the well blog these days. so yeah, it is curious as the kind of rhetoric that's coming out of close his mouth these days. how is the how speaker actually really justify? well, you know, we haven't heard much from her in terms of what she believes is the justification for this visit. even with that statement that she released just a couple of hours ago. but in all of this, it's also been notable to see how the white house has responded to this, right? you get president biden, who himself has admitted that the u. s. military did not think this trip was a good idea that they were concerned about the ways in which it would increase tensions between the us

and her coming here to taiwan said, nature. and when we look at it, there is no breaking the status quo. new gingrich speaker that comes in 1997, the chinese the not as bad fighter dads that at all that down by far exercises. ready on engage and pick comic sanctions and so it becomes a bit doesn't genuine to say that hey, i mean time has not changed trying to hutchins. this is clearly what the president, this is the done before. the reaction design is far above and beyond what we saw last time around. and so clearly something within the ccb has changed. and it's difficult to imagine a scenario where countries around the region and the u. s. are not gonna respond to them. june teufel dray, is there anything that you would add to that? yes, i believe the speaker from beijing. ers. when he said that this is upsetting status quo, china has been upsetting the status quo and the child straight for quite some time . now with a lot of docket is actions and talks about time cables for unification or state persistence, corn reification.

i. taiwan relations act. we support the community, pays of this, that and the other thing that had gone before, so we're not, we're, we're supporters of the status quo and the rest. and we don't want anything to happen to taiwan by force. so stray and, and one of the biggest sources of strife is democracy. i said at a meeting earlier with the parliamentarians and our earliest days of our founding about country, benjamin franklin, m presidency said freedom and democracy, freedom and democracy on one thing. security here. if we don't have, we can't have it either. if we don't have both. so security, economic security economy. and again, they're all and governance. they're all related and we want come on to always have freedom with civility. and we're not asking them thank you very much. anything you like? thank you so very much ladies and gentlemen. today's event is especially important because we are witnessing the historical visit of speaker pelosi to tie while the can be the message of the u. s. support to t

at the line sort of in between taiwan and china. on the, in the taiwan strait. but the kind of moment of truth i'm really talking about here is the fact that china says that it wants to re unify as they put it with taiwan. and a great charity of the people of taiwan. say that they simply don't want that. how do you resolve that then without going to war? richard walker labrador duplicate so much for joining us. virgin island and tension. don't i want to having an impact on other countries in the region as well? japan, for instance, it's western most island yacht agony lies just to 108 kilometers east of taiwan. it is in fact, closer to typing than it is to talk your and that has its 1500 residents. what'd it could become a new frontline? if hostilities break out in the future, fisherman is she not a tough she to go makes everything ship shape for his next big catch. he needs one urgently because he hasn't been able to fish as usual. after the recent chinese military drills around taiwan, the 32 year old was banned from heading out to sea for 5 days. it was deeme

so where is taiwan? nod east, i want in a place in which it needs to prepare economically and militarily and foster for potential chinese. envision, i think as we wet that as it's like an all rule men, proper sage, a, c, b spokane, part of bedroom. if you want to have your freedom, you have to be prepared to fight for you or for you for your peace and freedom. and that's what we've been doing the last in the last yes. maybe in the last ticket you have been doing that, but do you not think that the intensity of that has to increase the frequency with which you do that has to increase? so there is more of a pressure on taiwan is there not after these recent tensions, it is after admit it is, but we want it. that's another reason why we give up our freedom democracy. this over is of course, is always risk. we are, we knew it by the we are sitting in the same boat together. we americans, we saw the friends around what i see didn't a boat and nobody rosabelle. right. but we will talk about that. but i would l

it's all from taiwan, but they have no idea about taiwan. so in the past, we manufactured a lot of things and now we emphasize on research and development. so i think we always want to improve and also prove ourselves on what we can do with limited resources. (che hui liao) i'm a full-time blogger. i'm a tech blogger and high tech manufacturers in taiwan are always interested in working with me... taiwan isn't a big island, but almost all of the 3c products get launched here initially. most of us technology students strongly believe that if a mobile phone can be successfully marketed here, the product will be a hit all over the world. taiwan is like a miniature-scale example of globalization. i've never heard of a country or region in the world that has such widespread internet access as taiwan. everyone has a phone with network access and it's really affordable. this kind of access is almost unseen in other parts of the world. older generations, like our mothers, fathers and grandparents, they all have cell phones and surf the web. even str

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the way we doha is arm taiwan now and make it crystal clear we will come to taiwan's defense. that's not so we can win a war over taiwan. it's so we can prevent a war. >> the biden administration refused to say whether or not they think nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan was worth it. now there is a bloomberg story that the biden administration is trying to kill a bill that would officially make taiwan a majors non-nato ally. it sounds like the white house is more concerned with g-7 allys. >> it's concerning. it's not just concerning to us but to the people of taiwan and to our allies in the region. especially japan. we are watching this closely. >> president biden is watching this from the white house residence. he tested positive for covid again. the fifth day in a row he's been positive with this rebound case. >> more isolation then for president biden. peter doocy, thank you. china's potential security threats against the u.s. are a topic of discussion at the senate judiciary hearing. fbi director christopher wray is the hot seat testing on the topic from the hunter biden probe

with taiwan. and all this on found ation. we have built a thriving partnership, grounded in our shared values of self government and self determination focused on our mutual security. it is in the region and across the world committed to the economic ties, the power of prosperity for all of our p. v w. 's. joyce lee is following the story for us from taipei and sent us this update. hello, see met with president? tie in one today, and she's dressed as the u. s. will not abandon taiwan. and she hopes to strengthen ties with taiwan insecurity as well as economics, her visit and remarks a highly symbolic and a major factory for the us. tyrone relations is also highly sensitive that it would provoke china in the afternoon pelosi is scheduled to visiting may human rights park. she will be meeting with a small group of activists, including hong kong bookseller lamb, when k, as well as work. i see an ogre student leader in the channel and square protests. it's are in line with policies, track record of sp

taiwan people. with one come talk international with coming to you from us studios in moscow. i'm paula smith. thanks so much for joining us. china has begun military trolls in areas surrounding tie when the move comes in response to the visit of us. how sick, how speaker nancy pelosi to taipei. she kicked off her to a earlier meeting with high ranking taiwanese officials, including the deputy legislature speaker and president, ty ones defense ministry has already accused mainland china of immediately encroaching on the islands territory and threatened to respond. china hasn't yet commented on those allegations. yes, some of the latest footage shaped by chinese media. 21 chinese warplanes pos to tie ones, aid defense identification zone. and according to basing military sources drills will include a non nuclear missile launches from the sea. east of the island territory that include alive, fire exercises, and coordination between warships and find to a coughed tie, one's islands. our states have bee

and taiwan. in dealing with this threat from china, your last walk of a moment of truth for approaching a richer because that her, her moment of truth arrived there because of man to spur, man, super lucy's recent visit. what i don't think so. i mean, there are all sorts of different take some nancy pelosi visit and what the chinese exercise that took place after it. mean some people i've been talking to here to say that they do feel that the chinese did show degree of restraint in those exercises. but what they also did was establish what we talked about as a new normal, that china's a fighter jets, for instance, now go further than they did across what's called a median line. at the line sort of in between taiwan and china. on the, in the taiwan strait. but the kind of moment of truth i'm really talking about here is the fact that china says that it wants to re unify as they put it with taiwan. and a great charity of the people of taiwan. say that they simply don't want that. how do you resolve

with taiwan now effectively surrounded by chinese military fears of a new crisis in the taiwan straits, arising all eyes and now on beijing. allah, get lorna since vincent is ebony is joyce lee in its high pace of joyce. just talk us through the series of military drills in conducted by china in these key areas around tie one so on wednesday, evening china strong over taiwan. what's 10 cayman islands? the taiwanese military fired to each of them, which is in line with standard practice today trying to go into your conduct life. i addressed within 6 zone the wrong and taiwan jones steward on north north, east and south west oak. taiwan appear particularly close to a territorial waters. it appears that asian ones are to practise locating the island if it had to go into a war and a child. and it's worth noting that chinese citizens have expressed huge disappointment at the, at the authorities. the lack of action to stop hello many were expecting the p l a to shoot hello, playing down or at least turn her away mid air. so the public, this content is very, he is a very huge blow to see thin

what about that commitment to taiwan, to supporting taiwan? and so this is, forgive me for interrupting, but how she actually did she, she talked in general terms about the us being committed to taiwan. but as far as i understand, no one from a, from her side as officially said, yes, we're going to tie one. and i reason for going to taiwan would be to do this. she's outlined all the stops on asia trip. my question really is about will. why is she put this on this on her itinerary seemingly out of the blue? well, you know, some people are saying that she's looking at the mid term elections in the united states. where a lot of americans are critical of democrats as being like, you know, soft on security type issues. and it appears that the democratic party is gonna take quite a drumming in the mid term elections. so some people are saying that she's going to show that she is tough on security issue. she is tough on china. and taiwan, of course, is, is, is the hot button issue where you would indicate ok, you know, this is our commitment to the r

so where is taiwan? nod east, i want in a place in which it needs to prepared economically and militarily and foster the potential chinese envision. i think as we what that, as it's like an all rule men, proper sage is back in part of a room. if you want to have your freedom, you have to be prepared to fight for you or for you for your peace and freedom. and that's what we've been doing the last in the last yes. maybe in the last ticket you have been doing that, but do you not think that the intensity of that has to increase the frequency with which you do that has to increase? so there is more of a pressure on taiwan is there not after these recent tensions, it is after admit it is, but we want it. that's another reason why we give up our freedom democracy. this over is of course there's always risk. we are, we knew it by the we are sitting in the same boat together. we americans, we sort of friends around would see didn't a boat and nobody rosabelle. right. but we will talk about that. but i would like

nancy pelosi arrives in taiwan. kailey: we also understand there are several u.s. naval carriers right now in the area. if we do get that response from china, if they give some kind of military response, do we know how quickly and with what moves the u.s. would react? anne-marie: we do have the uss ronald reagan and other navy ships in the south china sea. right now, what the white house is trying to do is trying to play down and tone down the rhetoric we have heard coming out of beijing. but what we could see from china is not unlike what we potentially saw in the past, when other foreign leaders visited taiwan. there could be more incursions into taiwan's air identification zone, we have seen that happen for months. there could be more intercepts with the financial times. we could also see the chinese military, the pla come across the median identification line in the taiwan strait. there is no talk of what the u.s. would potentially do to counter what would be regular items, but a little bit more aggressive. what

with taiwan now effectively surrounded by chinese military fears of a new crisis in the taiwan straits, arising all eyes and now on beijing our eyes are on type. hey we're, we're joined by joyce lee joyce. give us the latest. what's the situation right now? so china regularly conducts military drew's near taiwan, but it has never tried to encircle with the island. the de facto a blockade will loss and too sunday afternoon and some target has shown up within. ty wants territorial. see including an area just 20 kilometers from the south and city college shown. it's was noting that chinese citizens have express huge disappointment at beijing's lack of actions to, to, to stop. hello is these visit and many were expecting the p l lay to shoot pillows . he's playing down, but it didn't happen. of course. the public discontent is a huge blow to seizing piece authority, especially when his under pressure to look strong ahead of a party meeting later this year. so many fear that the pressure could prompt china to take it even tougher pressure measure against taiwan and a drill could be practici

abandon our commitment to taiwan. and we are proud of our enduring friendship. today the world safe is the choice between democracy and autocracy. americans determination to preserve democracy here in taiwan and around the world. we may, iron clad, beijing's response was furious. panel shoot us or what pillows he has done this by no means a defense or protection of democracy, but a provocation and violation of china sovereignty and territorial integrity. it seems that china has vowed punishment under the one china principal, beijing views the self governing island as a break away province and has not ruled out re unification by force. it is announced a series of live fire military exercises surrounding the island, which taiwan warns will amount to an air and sea blockade. but despite china's threats tie once president, sighing ben was resolute mandates as she came facing deliberately highland military thread. what i want was not back down, we will firmly uphold our nation sovereignty and continue to hold the line of d

close to taiwan. but if they do respond, there is a real risk of escalation. at what point do you see the us getting involved, as well? so, i think, if china starts operating closer and closer to taiwan, i think taiwan will likely be cautious and probably not engage in significant activity to strike the chinese first or any such activities, as if china starts flying over taiwan airspace. but, as we see the two militaries start coming even closer and operating closer and closer together. there is a risk of potential escalation. if china decides to fly aeroplanes over taiwan airspace, taiwan may try to intercept them and what happens in the air, we could see a midair collision, we could see a lot of different scenarios plank it's very difficult to tell in advance. and potentially, a really dangerous, as you've been discussing, intriguing. nancy pelosi has left taiwan, so what is the point of these drills now, do you see any of this from china in the coming weeks and months? china's timing these drills a

i mean, even though the united states now, like in taiwan technically aren't allies, you have the taiwan relations act, which says that it is u. s. law that the united states has to maintain its own capacity to be able to help taiwan defend itself. it has to sell arms to taiwan and help it resist any resort to coercion that might infringe on its sovereignty or way of life. so that's a pretty, i mean, that is american law, and certainly president biden has them on multiple occasions that he would intervene militarily. that's a big deal. and the pentagon has been planning for this exact war scenario for a long time. so there are a lot of forces that are already pushing the united states to have a quick reaction. i personally think that it's almost guarantee the united states would come to taiwan zaid. but certainly if it's a lot different to be sitting in taipei, for example, right now and having to trust those words. okay, well, let's hope it doesn't come to that. i'm good to talk to thank you so much for joining us. i'm michael beckley from tufts university in the united states. ah. are

this is not just about taiwan. this is about the entire indo-pacific, asia pacific, japan, south korea, australia, u.s. have there, and i think we have options. if among other things we strengthen our military presence, if we set up various economic sanctions that could be triggered, but also, fareed, i'm not arguing for a change in policy. let's get that clear. i think we ought to continue to reassure china that we don't support taiwan's independence. that as you say it worked well for 50 years, what we simply have to do is adjust how we implement that policy. china has dramatically raised the military threat to taiwan, we would be derelict if we didn't raise our capacity to deal with it. and that's a question of -- stability and a question of signal strategy, certainly for how we implement our strategy. >> susan, you disagree. why? >> well, i disagree because i think the best way of keeping the peace in the taiwan strait is to maintain the continuity of this policy that we have had for so long. it is very hard to

not even one minute to use it is as a turning point on taiwan. i mean how future proof is the one china policy that the west has committed to and that more or less has kept the taiwan question limbo where you see speak up panels e.

if it invaded taiwan. absolutely, and i think that that also cuts both ways, not only in beijing being as an indicator of how the west and react type have also been watching very closely. learning military lessons from ukraine on the ground about how to resist the potential invasion by going back to your mental question. i think definitely there's been a lot of, especially in regards to things. and i think that the economic response, especially from the european union and the united states and the west, that lard and how unified it has been and how deep cutting it has been, i think not only moscow off guard, but also being off guard. and obviously the chinese economy is much larger than the restaurant economy. it's much more integrated globally, and the west is much more dependent on it than say, russia is. so i think that maybe they think that has a little bit more cover here in terms of getting hit by thanks and but seeing that final respond, i think, has, as we're in china, they've been looking into and

amanda also coming up tensions over a possible stop over in taiwan. taiwan government sources say he was house speaker nancy pelosi will visit the ivan during to asia trip. china has britain a military response, the white house his beijing is overreacting. ah, i'm anthony howard. welcome to the program. the united states says it has killed the leader of al qaeda. i'm m l, a holy of the in a drone strike in afghanistan, it was one of the founders of the terrorist group and had been in hiding for more than a decade. as a y e d allegedly carried out the key role in planning the 911 attacks alongside osama, bin laden is death comes a year after us forces pulled out of afghanistan, u. s. as accused the taliban of sheltering also. why he the despite agreeing not to support terrorist group, if you will have a president, joe biden announced l z a y, heed his death saying he was killed in a drone strike on a house in the afghan capital cobble on saturday. or jose community located is our here, e. earlier this year, he had moved to downtown couple to reunite with members of his immediate famil

hello sees visit will add tensions across the taiwan strait, which has no benefit at all for the taiwan people. i really hope the americans won't come around to mess things up so that we can live a peaceful life policy talking about taiwanese democracy, taiwanese democracy here, and you hear some of the comments from the locals as saying they're really concerned because this is, it's flaring an awful lot of tensions between the 2 biggest players on the well blog these days. yeah. it is curious as the kind of rhetoric that's coming out of close his mouth these there's a how is the how speaker actually really justify? well, you know, we haven't heard much from her in terms of what she believes as the justification for this visit. even with that statement that she released just a couple of hours ago. but in all of this, it's also been notable to see how the white house has responded to this. right. you've got president biden, who himself has admitted that the u. s. military did not think this trip was a good idea that they were concerned about the ways in which it would increase tensions b

what about that commitment to taiwan, to supporting taiwan? and so this is, forgive me for interrupting, but she actually did. she talked in general terms about the u. s. being committed to taiwan. but as far as i understand, no one from a from her side was officially said, yes, we're going to tie one of my reason for going to taiwan would be to do this. she's outlined all the stops on her i, you should trip. my question really is about will, why is she put this on this on her itinerary seemingly out of the blue? well, you know, some people are saying that she's looking at the mid term elections in the united states where a lot of americans are critical of democrats as being like, you know, soft on security type issues. and it appears that the democratic party is going to take quite a drumming in the mid term elections. so some people are saying that she's going to show that she is tough on security issue. she is tough on china. and taiwan, of course, is, is, is the hot button issue where you would indicate ok, you know, this is our commitment

so it's on taiwan. it has from the refuse to condemn russia for water, new crim something born out of the nor limits friendship chinese procedure being and russian president vladimir putin agreed to of the winter olympics and beijing earlier that morning. and since then, china has sought to frame russia's actions in ukraine as being the only option. moscow had to push back against us, lead expansionism. you can, we do the, your, the key to solving the ukraine crisis lies in the hands of the united states and nato. we hope the united states and nato, as the culprits of the crisis, can reflect on their roles and the ukraine crisis. take up their due responsibilities and make practical actions to resolve the conflict. how many ways you don't find yet in the jersey. and for more on the chinese thinking here, let's bring in read standish. he's a correspondent with radio free europe covering china's influence across eastern europe and central asia. and he joins me now from prague. read welcome, this china sea

taiwan everywhere. and friends would taiwan. that's very important. and i do believe that after the russian in, after the russia invasion to you train taiwan is people know that if we stand for a longer time, if we can fight, if we can protect our land as much as we can do in china, evade high one then i think the allies and our friends, well, we're supporters more well take to with us. i think that's a very strong message far as i am wondering what it feels like trying to live in a nation where huge palace on one side of the land take and then huge, a huge power as your neighbor. talk about taiwan as if it's a poon in a game of chess. what does that feel like? yeah, that is something that i find very concerning because that was also, i think, in regards to plus he visit how much it was discussed. again, as i mentioned, there is not the focus on what tony's thought about their own future. there's a lot of talk about in terms of the u. s. and china and so forth. and so i think that does raise one of the

and taiwan. it's part of china and all of that. but in taiwan, you know, the best way to describe it. it's cautious. as we heard from, from the previous correspondence she, every time see. and the other guest you had on taiwan has been walking a very, very fine tightrope on this. you know, on the one hand, it's great to have someone so high level coming to tie one, particularly from the us because it led to some kind of a legitimacy. i want. it's important on the name, national stage, and that's all i want has kept having to shout to very loud or we're china's voice in this weekend and across the world to give itself, you know, a bad that boy saying that it has its own right. and it's governance itself, and it is right to exist as its own entity. but on the other hand, this then brings the attention of trying to much at one unwanted aggression from china to the people. if i want to have largely made very quiet and cautiously watching on this and you know, their concern is that not only could chin

taiwan will suffer the repercussions and china's wrath. taiwan is in a difficult position. jonathan: i think it is important to squeeze this in, what changed from your perspective, from china's perspective, and the last three to four months? when speaker pelosi was due to go in the spring she couldn't because she contracted covid. i don't remember this kind of rhetoric. what changed? samson: i think this goes back to ukraine. china is watching what is going on and it really notices that it needs to message very strongly if it is going to deter greater integration and contact between taiwan and the united states precisely because taiwan isn't ready to launch the full-scale invasion that we may see five to seven years from now or a decade from now. but it is messaging aggressively to convince the rest of the world to back off taiwan. jonathan: wonderful to catch up with you and fantastic to hear your perspective on the ground in taiwan. a unique perspective on the ground. the take away from that, and lisa mentioned a couple of times, a collective shrug from a lot of people. t

would not abandon taiwan. and she praised taiwan for being one of the freest in the world. right now, after she leaves, we know the u.s. is being very supportive of taiwan's democracy. the question is, what are china's actions next. all the military drills, and what that will mean for taiwan and will china impose anymore stricter economic bands and military actions against taiwan? francine: john's of the other question, we saw this, it was pretty murky between nancy pelosi and president biden saying i wouldn't suggest it, but i wouldn't say no. did they make a difference between biden and house speaker? francine: at this point, beijing is not making a difference. u.s. administration has argued that beeker pelosi makes her own decisions about where she goes. beijing does not see it that way. she is the third ranking official in the u.s.. second line in terms of succession from the u.s. presidency. she has arrived in taiwan on a military aircraft. how is that not an official visit? i think that is the semantics at the moment. it is obvious china is taking aggressive measures

ah. standing with taiwan in defiance of china. you as how speak at nancy pelosi has ended her controversial visit to the self ruled island. it's triggered an angry response from beijing and how willed tie, pay, and washington deal with the full mouth. this is inside story. ah. po, up into the program on can vanelle, nancy pelosi has become the most senior us politician to visit taiwan in 25 years. us how speak is spent less than a day on the cellphone island. but china, which claims taiwan is part of its territory called the trip a direct challenge to its sovereignty. aging had issued threats and warnings before pelosi even touched down. but america's 3rd most powerful politician was undeterred, saying, washington was committed to preserving taiwan democracy. china is responding with live 5 military drills and an import ban on time when these products will bring. and i guess in a moment, 1st this report from homages june for us. how speaker nancy pelosi, a high profile trip to taiwan, fraught with both complications and contradict

taiwan is self governing and lies about 100 miles across the taiwan straits. it also sees itself as independent, but beijing argues it's a renegade province and is warning of grave consequences following ms pelosi's visit. throughout the day, chinese fighter jets have repeatedly crossed into taiwnese airspace. our asia pacific correspondent, rupert wingfield—hayes, has the very latest. despite what china has been saying, today's meeting between nancy pelosi and taiwan president ing—wen didn't look terribly sinister. president tsai began by presenting ms pelosi with taiwan's highest civilian honour. she in turn praised taiwan's democracy and promised america would stand by the island. our solidarity with you is more important than ever, as you defend taiwan and your freedom. we are supporters of the status quo, and we don't want anything to happen to taiwan by force. so strength, and one of the biggest sources of strength is democracy. most people here are unfazed by china's threats. if anything, they're excited that the world's attention is focused on taiw

with taiwan. in 1979, the u.s. passed the taiwan relations act that basically guarantee support for taiwan, including in defensive matters. that is why the u.s. continues to sell arms to the island. with that in mind, here is a former prime minister of australia. >> the bottom line is if you ask yourself this question, does this help taiwan's overall security circunces, i think the answer is no. but there are a whole range of other measures that could be undertaken and i think the biden demonstration is undertaking to begin to work in the direction of enhancing further taiwan's own deterrent capability. at work here is one fundamental thing as well -- beijing is beginning to convince itself that at an operational level, the united states of america is changing its one china policy, that it is in subance moving, d therefore china, for its own domesticolitical reasons needs to demonstrate it will not accept that under any circumstances. kasia: i spoke to our correspondent in washington who began by

and so we're going to be doing these lie fire drills on the west side of taiwan on the east side of taiwan to the north and south in the coming days. is it possible that pelosi could actually get stuck, that he know that's an excellent question. at the same time we've seen the u. s. military really focus on trying to build up some sort of buffer zone, but you're right, that is china's reason that is right in their backyard. and so if they wanted to make it difficult, they arguably could. now the question is going to become what they decide to do, and of course, how the united states decides to react if the by an administration is really going to step in and ramp tensions even more than what they already are at right now. well ahead of follow his visit, a group of locals gathered outside the grand hyatt hotel in taipei city where she's staying. the protesters are waved flags and shouting slogans and allowed speakers as well, basically made that feelings about her trip pretty clear. now, behold, vice chairman of the shanghai set up a rim pack and international studies are nelson. one believe