labour will make brexit work. labour will deliver change. you'll never get that from the tories. and conference, you won't get it from the snp either. conference, the challenges we face, the cost-of-living crisis, climate change, standing up to putin, are common across our four nations. we saw off the threat of fascism and deadly disease, together. we built the nhs and the welfare state, together. but i don't believe in our union just because of our history. i believe in it because of our future. i know we can meet the great challenges to come. build new beacons of fairness that light up the islands we share. scotland needs a labour government that can deliver change. but it also needs the power and resources to shape its own future, whoever is in power in westminster. and the snp are not interested in this. for them, scotland's success in the u.k. is met with gritted teeth, seen as a roadblock to independence, and so, they stand in the way. we can't work with them. we won't work with them. no deal under any circumstances. a fairer, greener, more dynamic scotland in a fairer, gre

so the discipline of labour, not onlyl discipline of labour, not only the desire _ discipline of labour, not only the desire to _ discipline of labour, not only the desire to make _ discipline of labour, not only the desire to make a - the desire to make a confidence, - the desire to make a confidence, but - the desire to make a confidence, but the i the desire to make a - confidence, but the discipline was extraordinary. _ another little kind _ of "from the notebook" as well was, another shadow cabinet minister said to me, - "i have been doing this for years out of power, "just grinding it out - in shadow cabinet, "not being able to make policies, "working really hard, - just in opposition." and they said, "i cannot do| another term in opposition. and i think the thing is, | is that now the hope of, like it didn't look, 2019, - 80—seat conservative majority of borisjohnson, likel completely dominant, you just thought this - is a two—term programme for labour. and i think now because they, they can see it in their grasp, | they're so worried that they'rei going to mess it up or thro

we have a pretty vibrant labour marty —— labour market at the moment— labour marty —— labour market at the moment so— labour marty —— labour market at the moment so on the basis of that, you want _ moment so on the basis of that, you want to— moment so on the basis of that, you want to bring people into filled the -aps want to bring people into filled the gaps that — want to bring people into filled the gaps that still exist in it, so i can see — gaps that still exist in it, so i can see as— gaps that still exist in it, so i can see as part of her growth plan this kind _ can see as part of her growth plan this kind of— can see as part of her growth plan this kind of thing could actually work _ this kind of thing could actually work. now, asjo has pointed out, suella _ work. now, asjo has pointed out, suella braverman doesn't want to, she wants — suella braverman doesn't want to, she wants to curb immigration and is not keen— she wants to curb immigration and is not keen on— she wants to curb immigration and is not keen on issuing more visas to people _ not keen on

do labour, some people are saying labour— the rhetoric. do labour, some people are saying labour need _ the rhetoric. do labour, some people are saying labour need to _ the rhetoric. do labour, some people are saying labour need to raise - are saying labour need to raise their game a bit, to... saya are saying labour need to raise their game a bit, to... say a little bit more about why they should be in government? yes we have had some specific commitments on windfall tax and so on, but there is a feeling that perhaps they are a bit coy on what they would do if they were elected at the next election. funnily enough, i watched the pmqs on the _ funnily enough, i watched the pmqs on the bbc and the panel beforehand, clive lewis _ on the bbc and the panel beforehand, clive lewis at the labour mp was making _ clive lewis at the labour mp was making that point, i agree with this, _ making that point, i agree with this, i— making that point, i agree with this, i think the labour party has done _ this, i think the labour party has done a _ this

absolutely, and we have many wealthy labour- labour believe in? absolutely, and| we have many wealthy labour party members and supporters out there because people that have come from humble beginnings that to create great wealth, they understand, people that haven't had wealth bestowed upon them because that wellit —— relatives were wealthy, people who crafted from the shop floor and got their wealth, they absolutely get it may the challenges that others face and is not pulling that others face and is not pulling that ladder up, it is about making sure you give opportunities to others, you understand and recognise... one of the things that frustrates me, people say to me you should be a tory because you have done well for yourself, you have worked hard and done well, but it fails to understand that there is opportunities that are snatched away from people and therefore it doesn't enable them to get on, you know, when people said we have had conservative ministers saying to people work a bit longer, get a betterjob, they are not truly appreciat

labour party whenjeremy was leader because i'm labour party when jeremy was leader because i'm not labour party whenjeremy was leader because i'm not in labour party when jeremy was leader because i'm not in politics because i hate the tories, although, my goodness, they're making it quite easy at the moment. and in politics because i believe this country can because i believe this country can be better. i know we can be better and it only happens if everybody —— every generation picks up the pattern invites for it. it’s pattern invites for it. it's interesting _ pattern invites for it. it's interesting you - pattern invites for it. it's interesting you say - pattern invites for it. it's interesting you say that. our young comfortable with the idea that you should say of your opponents, i despise in question like i am, actually. i despise in question like i am, actuall . despise in question like i am, actuall. , ., actually. i was listening to question _ actually. i was listening to question time _ actually. i was listening to question time the - actually. i was listening to questio

is aspiration something labour believe in? absolutely, and we have many wealthy labour party members and supporters out there because people that have come from humble beginnings that to create great wealth, they understand, people that haven't had wealth bestowed upon them because relatives weren't wealthy, people who grafted from the shop floor and got their wealth, they absolutely get it may the challenges that others face and is not pulling that ladder up, it is about making sure you give opportunities to others, you understand and recognise... one of the things that frustrates me, people say to me you should be a tory because you have done well for yourself, you have worked hard and done well, but it fails to understand that there is opportunities that are snatched away from people and therefore it doesn't enable them to get on, you know, when people said we have had conservative ministers saying to people work a bit longer, get a betterjob, they are not truly appreciating the difficulties that people have. just before we

party coming in to govern the party, _ labour party coming in to govern the party, get _ labour party coming in to govern the party, get the economy under control and actually _ party, get the economy under control and actually deliver. fine party, get the economy under control and actually deliver.— and actually deliver. one backbench u-rou and actually deliver. one backbench a-rou of and actually deliver. one backbench grow) of mps _ and actually deliver. one backbench grow) of mps has — and actually deliver. one backbench group of mps has promised - and actually deliver. one backbench group of mps has promised it - and actually deliver. one backbench group of mps has promised it at - group of mps has promised it at least is not planning to cause trouble for whoever wins. the erg have resolved _ trouble for whoever wins. the erg have resolved that _ trouble for whoever wins. the erg have resolved that whoever - trouble for whoever wins. the erg i have resolved that whoever becomes the prime minister of the united kingdom, be that tonight or on friday, we will unite behind them

i people in the labour party who can't welcome it?— welcome it? i think there are issues around rishi — welcome it? i think there are issues around rishi sunak's _ welcome it? i think there are issues around rishi sunak's wealth, - welcome it? i think there are issues around rishi sunak's wealth, and i around rishi sunak's wealth, and obviously he is a chancellor who was increasing taxes for working people at the time when obviously he has great wealth and his wife at the family were avoiding tax through the non—dom status, but you could congratulate and see a prime minister of asian heritage getting into number 10 minister of asian heritage getting into numberio and minister of asian heritage getting into number 10 and seeing how amazing that is, and congratulating him on that basis without bringing everything else into it, and i think sometimes, especially with the fast pace of politics, it can get ahead of itself, whereas sometimes it is nice to stop and look at something for what it is and say, this is a good thing. you might not like ever

so the whole of that period then is spent under a labour government. and ever since you've been directly in politics as a member of parliament, at least, you're under the tories again. yeah, although that is part of the reason that i stood for parliament in 2010 because i'm from manchester originally, although i'm towns, towns, towns and everyone knows that i spent my teenage years in bury and i've made my home in wigan. i grew up in manchester in the 19805 in a very angry, divisive time and i was 17, i was almost 18. i didn't get to vote, but i was 17 when i saw my first labour government and there was this feeling during that time that progress was inevitable. and if i've learnt anything in the recent years, it's that if you want a better country you do have to go out and fight for it every day. that battle is never won. so in 2009, i came back to manchesterfor conservative party conference. i was working with child refugees at the time and the conservatives were here, hadn't seen lots of conservatives in manchester for a very long time. it was quite

so the whole of that period then is spent under a labour government. and ever since you've been directly in politics as a member of parliament, at least, you're under the tories again. yeah, although that is part of the reason that i stood for parliament in 2010, because i'm from manchester originally, although towns, towns, towns and everyone knows that i spent my teenage years in bury and i've made my home in wigan. i grew up in manchester in the 1980s in a very angry, divisive time, and i was 17, i was almost 18. i didn't get to vote, but i was 17 when i saw my first labour government, and there was this feeling during that time that progress was inevitable. and if i've learnt anything in the recent years, it's that if you want a better country you do have to go out and. fight for every day. that battle is never won. so in 2009, i came back to manchester for conservative party conference. i was working with child refugees at the time and the conservatives were here and hadn't seen lots of conservatives in manchester for a very long time. it was quit

fiur obligation in the labour party? our lan obligation in the labour party? our [an is to obligation in the labour party? our plan is to ensure that we don't end ”p plan is to ensure that we don't end up in the _ plan is to ensure that we don't end up in the situation for some in wales— up in the situation for some in wales we _ up in the situation for some in wales we haven't got the strikes that we — wales we haven't got the strikes that we are seeing in england. the reason _ that we are seeing in england. the reason that— that we are seeing in england. the reason that we are in the situation is the _ reason that we are in the situation is the government stoking up the tensions — is the government stoking up the tensions. this week they want trauma — tensions. this week they want trauma. they were the ones that have caused _ trauma. they were the ones that have caused chaos— trauma. they were the ones that have caused chaos in this country. people make _ caused chaos in this country. people make sure _ caused chaos in this country. people make

labour has not diverged. host: the fact is -- [overlapping voices] >> they have few division demons in the closet with brexit, union strikes, there are a few divisive issues in the labour party, were it to make it to a general election. afzal: what i said was to do with brexit. i am trying to say, how come with such high inflation, and it years of stagnation, and how is it for the last 12 years, the most growth in 200 years -- surely this is not all about brexit. i am bringing home the point the chaos at the heart of the government, failing to deal with the brexit issue as well. the idea of brexit is that everything will be fine. host: the question now is, labor also has --labour also has its divisions and does not have a clear vision when it comes to some of these issues, whether it is exit, positions on union strikes, voter reforms, true or false? afzal: i do not accept that. the whole country was divided on brexit. half wanted to remain and half wanted to leave. host: but you have to have a policy and that

i. think labour are already to set out a ptah _ think labour are already to set out a ptah for— think labour are already to set out a plan for growth. _ think labour are already to set out a plan for growth. they've - think labour are already to set out a plan for growth. they've at - think labour are already to set out a plan for growth. they've at least| a plan for growth. they've at least put their— a plan for growth. they've at least put their ideas _ a plan for growth. they've at least put their ideas on _ a plan for growth. they've at least put their ideas on the _ a plan for growth. they've at least put their ideas on the table - a plan for growth. they've at least put their ideas on the table and i put their ideas on the table and well— put their ideas on the table and we'll hear— put their ideas on the table and we'll hear more _ put their ideas on the table and we'll hear more from _ put their ideas on the table and we'll hear more from jonathanl we'll hear more from jonathan reynolds _ we'll hear more from jonathan reynaldo— we'll hear more from jonathan re nolds. ~

is he a labour supporter? he . is he a labour supporter? he sanu is he a labour supporter? he sang with _ is he a labour supporter? he sang with great gusto after he met us~ — sang with great gusto after he met us. ., sang with great gusto after he met us. . . , ., , sang with great gusto after he met us. . ., ., , i. met us. that he has to see you or was it _ met us. that he has to see you or was it the — met us. that he has to see you or was it the other _ met us. that he has to see you or was it the other way - met us. that he has to see you | or was it the other way around? it was a bit of both. this was really— it was a bit of both. this was really for— it was a bit of both. this was really for my _ it was a bit of both. this was really for my wife. _ it was a bit of both. this was really for my wife. meeting i really for my wife. meeting chris— really for my wife. meeting chris martin _ really for my wife. meeting chris martin is _ really for my wife. meeting chris martin is like - really for my wife. meeting chris martin is like me i really for my wife. mee

what was the prime minister like and, indeed, the labour leader like? how would you describe their mood when you saw them behind—the—scenes? i was really struck listening to the conversation about liz truss and her demeanour and her capacity to keep going. because you do see leaders in the immediate moments before you do an interview and the cameras aren't rolling and you get other opportunities at conference to see them, not in a private setting really because they know that we're journalists and we know that they're the prime minister or the leader of the labour party. but in moments that aren't as formal as an interview and the prime minister's capacity to just keep going and actually to keep smiling and be chipper when the overall mood of her conference was one of being winded because of the about turn over the tax rates, the higher tax rate for the best paid in england, wales and northern ireland. and then the row about benefits was really quite something. as for keir starmer, he kind of — it's hard to kind of measure this, james, but you can

to show labour on course continue to show labour on course for a majority. what do you make of that? for a ma'ority. what do you make of that? �* , , ~ that? it's interesting, i think david was — that? it's interesting, i think david was saying _ that? it's interesting, i think david was saying earlier, - that? it's interesting, i think david was saying earlier, if l that? it's interesting, ithink- david was saying earlier, if you're an mp _ david was saying earlier, if you're an mp and — david was saying earlier, if you're an mp and your somewhere looking at the fact_ an mp and your somewhere looking at the fact that labour at the moment — if there _ the fact that labour at the moment — if there was_ the fact that labour at the moment — if there was a — the fact that labour at the moment — if there was a election tomorrow, they lose — if there was a election tomorrow, they lose their seats. it's your job. _ they lose their seats. it's your job, i— they lose their seats. it's your job, i get— they lose their seats. it's your job, i get

if you i look at the labour party and liberal democrats — look at the labour party and liberal democrats there is always a debate about _ democrats there is always a debate about how — democrats there is always a debate about how britain manages migration so the _ about how britain manages migration so the conservative party is no different. just so happens we are in government, under greater scrutiny. there _ government, under greater scrutiny. there is— government, under greater scrutiny. there is an _ government, under greater scrutiny. there is an important debate. the new home — there is an important debate. the new home secretary is very experienced and very mindful of the prime _ experienced and very mindful of the prime minister's comments. we need migration— prime minister's comments. we need migration but needs to be managed in the right— migration but needs to be managed in the right way. yes, there's the more drama _ the right way. yes, there's the more drama in_ the right way. yes, there's the more drama in westminster today. whatever stay to— drama in westminste

- polls lately and labour storming _ polls lately and labour storming ahead - polls lately and labour storming ahead but. polls lately and labourl storming ahead but are polls lately and labour- storming ahead but are saw how quickly _ storming ahead but are saw how quickly boris _ storming ahead but are saw how quickly boris johnson's - storming ahead but are saw how quickly boris johnson's watches i quickly boris johnson's watches shifted — quickly boris johnson's watches shifted from _ quickly boris johnson's watches shifted from an _ quickly boris johnson's watches shifted from an 80 _ quickly boris johnson's watches shifted from an 80 seat - shifted from an 80 seat majority _ shifted from an 80 seat majority being - shifted from an 80 seat majority being booted i shifted from an 80 seat . majority being booted out shifted from an 80 seat - majority being booted out of office — majority being booted out of office by— majority being booted out of office try his _ majority being booted out of office by his own _ majority being booted out of office by his own mps - majority bei

i extraordinary allegation from a labour mr— extraordinary allegation from a labour mp. , , , labour mp. i saw members being -h sicall labour mp. i saw members being physically manhandled _ labour mp. i saw members being physically manhandled into i labour mp. i saw members being l physically manhandled into another lobby and being bullied. itrailiiile lobby and being bullied. while c inc! if lobby and being bullied. while crying! if we — lobby and being bullied. while crying! if we want _ lobby and being bullied. while crying! if we want to _ lobby and being bullied. while crying! if we want to stand up| crying! if we want to stand up auainst crying! if we want to stand up against the — crying! if we want to stand up against the bullying _ crying! if we want to stand up against the bullying in i crying! if we want to stand up against the bullying in this i crying! if we want to stand up i against the bullying in this house of our staff, we have to stop bullying in this chamber as well, don't we? louie bullying in this chamber as well, don't we? ~ ., ., , don't we? we will have a

labour mp after labour mp was calling for a general election. the only mechanism we have is through a vote of no—confidence. it does not make any sense to will the ends without supporting the means. labour really do need to get a on this. they were demanding yesterday that they have got to support a no—confidence vote today. there is no—confidence vote today. there is no other mechanism to deliver the election. ., ~ no other mechanism to deliver the election. . ~ , ., , . no other mechanism to deliver the election. . ~ i. , . ., election. thank you very much for 'oinin: election. thank you very much for joining us- — election. thank you very much for joining us- in _ election. thank you very much for joining us. in five _ election. thank you very much for joining us. in five minutes' - election. thank you very much for joining us. in five minutes' time i election. thank you very much for. joining us. in five minutes' time we are going to have prime minister's questions. more drama and excitement or maybe not depending on the strategy tak

labour party. 0r street. you cannot say that about the opposition. labour party. or the martin successors, the lib democrats. let's talk up with what is happening tojonathan riley with the editor. he spoke to us a little earlier and it's good to see you envision submit to listen to your voice and listen to the pictures from the house of commons. can you give us an idea of what is going on behind the scenes? take for example, that uncertainty over whether or not the chief whip and the deputy chief whip are still members of the what is your understanding?— whip are still members of the what is your understanding? these kind of discussions have _ is your understanding? these kind of discussions have been _ is your understanding? these kind of discussions have been quite - is your understanding? these kind of discussions have been quite frankly l discussions have been quite frankly often behind the scenes. the difference tonight is that they exploded out in the voting lobbies, in front of plenty of backbench mps and plenty of opposition backbench mps. that kind of f

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what about labour in this? because, i mean, what do you think keir starmer should be doing at the moment? should he be keeping quiet, keeping out of it, sort of letting the conservative party go down the route they're going down, which is obviously an awful lot of turmoil? no, i don't think, there's two things to say about that. i think labour should be attacking, you should always be attacking your opponents when they're weak, and labour should be doing that. but i think one of the reasons has been this sense of a feeling of kind of movement towards labour because actually even though the tories were already in a quite a lot of turmoil at labour's conference, i thought keir had a real sense of confidence, and i thought particularly the green energy thing, i thought he had a sense of there's a different agenda coming here. i want to see more of that agenda, and i think actually keir should be doing more of the kind of the forward policy stuff. you have not got it in the bag, because, yes, you've got the governm

— doable, and with energy prices and labour costs going up, where are they going — labour costs going up, where are they going to find the money? there has got _ they going to find the money? there has got to— they going to find the money? there has got to be a proper regulatory framework in place and a fair tax system — framework in place and a fair tax system. looking at business rates, they have — system. looking at business rates, they have to look at the holistic picture — they have to look at the holistic picture of — they have to look at the holistic picture of finance when it comes to recovering — picture of finance when it comes to recovering the economy for small businesses. recovering the economy for small businesses-— businesses. people watching this thinkin: businesses. people watching this thinking that _ businesses. people watching this thinking that business _ businesses. people watching this thinking that business pressures| businesses. people watching this i thinking that business pressures are far removed from their own life, these all feed into staff

have over— that not only is the gap that labour have over the conservatives growing, it also _ have over the conservatives growing, it also shows the underlying data is painting _ it also shows the underlying data is painting a — it also shows the underlying data is painting a very negative picture for the government ahead of their own party— the government ahead of their own party conference, when it comes to questions _ party conference, when it comes to questions like leadership, who would make _ questions like leadership, who would make the _ questions like leadership, who would make the best prime minister, who would _ make the best prime minister, who would be _ make the best prime minister, who would be the best to handle the economy, — would be the best to handle the economy, it is labour who wins time and again. _ economy, it is labour who wins time and again, they also win out in lots of demographic groups, including not 'ust of demographic groups, including not just those _ of demographic groups, including not just those seats gained at the last election— just tho

switching en masse to labour. a lot of polls will be noisy at the moment, there has been a lot of bad publicity about the government mini budget, and has been a lot of good publicity off the back of labour's conference. this may be in the best time to take a snapshot of what could happen at a future general election but ultimately polls are a shout —— snapshot in time but ultimately it shows if there was a poll tomorrow, there would be a conservative wipe—out. and what is driving at? a mini budget. the cut in the basic rate etc will be popular but removing the bankers bonus cap, the abolition of the top rate, that is incredibly unpopular, and none of these policies are going to be seen by the public to generate growth which is ultimately what liz truss and the chancellor want them to do, so when the markets reacted as they did and with all of the negative headlines it will naturally lead to conservative voters deserting them and this time going to the labour party. and this time going to the labour pa . ., .

it is matter if it was tory or labour, rachel, they were _ was tory or labour, rachel, they were both — was tory or labour, rachel, they were both as bad as each other. but for the were both as bad as each other. for the last 12 were both as bad as each other. emit for the last 12 years, we haven't been building enough gas storage facilities and they have closed storage facilities under this government and the previous ones. i think there is a certain amount of responsibility you can lay on the part of the party that has been there for ten years. if we going to blame the last labour government, i am sure we can blame the next one as well. ~ ., ,., , am sure we can blame the next one as well. ~ ., , , well. we have some very differing opinions there. _ well. we have some very differing opinions there. we _ well. we have some very differing opinions there. we love _ well. we have some very differing opinions there. we love healthy . opinions there. we love healthy debate on the show. let's move on now. i don't think we will agree on that. if we cannot, we will go on to the guardian. t

on the l surface, labour are writing- stop surface, labour are writing— stop their enjoying leads in the polls they have not had since before tony blair came to power in 1997. they own every single issue in british politics, economy, crime, they are even more popular among brexit voters. the labour party are more popular among people who voted to leave the european union then the conservative party. not some thing i thought i would ever say! on the surface, things look good for labour, but it will be nervous. people will look at rishi sunak and think, this is a different operator. considerably more experience. he had the economy in his control during the economy in his control during the pandemic, he knows the mechanics of government in whitehall and this is all going to lead to this big showdown tomorrow, between keir starmer and rishi sunak, and all eyes will be on that showdown. the conservative party will be looking, wondering if they made the right call, antilabor mps will be looking at keir starmer and saying, ok, going against borisjohnson, going against liz truss, that is one

former labour in dire straits right now. former labour party — in dire straits right now. former labour party adviser, _ in dire straits right now. former labour party adviser, thank i in dire straits right now. former labour party adviser, thank you | in dire straits right now. former. labour party adviser, thank you for speaking with us on bbc news. i began my career in the early 1990s when the conservative government had a relatively small majority, much smaller than liz truss as now it was going through trauma over europe, funnily enough and whether european union should acquire more power through what was called the parliamentary treaty which had been approved by parliament, john major who was the premise that a torrid time and only did he have mps dying due to crazy by elections run by opposition parties slowly diminishing his majority, but he had mps defecting from both a liberal democrat party which was a smaller opposition party and even to the others. it was a time of political trauma knows a time of political uncertainty knows a time and party loyalty was strain

the labour leader aaain said bring us down. the labour leader again said there _ bring us down. the labour leader again said there should _ bring us down. the labour leader again said there should be - bring us down. the labour leader again said there should be a - bring us down. the labour leader i again said there should be a general election to let the public decide. there are worries among tory mps that mr sunak would not be able to win votes in the same way as mr johnson when the next election is called. but for now he is the only declared candidate who is certain of a place on the ballot tomorrow. helen catt, bbc news. well, whoever becomes the next conservative leader and prime minister will have the cost of living crisis at the top of their in tray. this morning there was a stark warning from the former governor of the bank of england, lord king, about the size of the challenge they'll face. he said whoever is in power will need to impose public spending cuts or tax rises in order to tackle inflation. mervyn king said economists had got in wrong by suggesting printing mo

labour seats tumbled. the fear on the conservative benches now is that the next time they face the public, those gains will be lost, and perhaps they will also lose seats even in their heartland's, places in southern england that have been tory for as long as those redwall seats have been labour. two election this year. one in the far southwest of england where conservatives have always held that seat, and that went to the liberal democrats by a significant majority. there are warnings that the conservative position is far from secure with the public, and this business of the change of prime minister from boris johnson to liz truss, and then the trauma of her having to abandon her economic policy minister because the markets were no longer prepared lend money to the british government at an affordable rate means conservatives are now confused as to which direction they are going. we are seeing that being played out in the trauma being unveiled today. for more on suella braverman's departure as home secreta

targeting both main parties of westminster, the snp have labour of westminster, the snp have labour in their sites at this conference. the scottish labour leader said he would not be lumped in with the conservatives about the issues on brexits. the reality is the choice the next election is going to be _ a uk tory government that has| deliberately been picking fights with the european union in order l to cover for their own failures i and fight the culture wars i or a uk labour government that is proactively willing to work with european and the _ national interest. nicola sturgeon will address delegates here at conference tomorrow afternoon. a chance to rally the troops ahead of that all—important supreme court hearing. a former scottish judge at the court said today "that result could come within weeks." andrew kerr, bbc news. well as conservative mp�*s prepare to return to westminster after the conference season — let's discuss what might lie ahead for the government. joining us is laurren mcevatt who's a former conservative special adviser to the wales office. a former conser

labour party to take over the order -a er. , ., labour party to take over the order --aer. , . ., labour party to take over the order n-aer. , ., ., paper. yet, 'ust earlier today you retweeted paper. yet, just earlier today you retweeted one _ paper. yet, just earlier today you retweeted one of— paper. yet, just earlier today you retweeted one of your _ paper. yet, just earlier today you t retweeted one of your colleagues paper. yet, just earlier today you - retweeted one of your colleagues and said that you as well as her would not vote for any change in the rules on the triple lock on pension, so it sounds like you would potentially vote against your party leader the prime minister on that but not on fracking? prime minister on that but not on frackin: ? �* .., , prime minister on that but not on frackin: ? �* .. , ., prime minister on that but not on frackin. ? �* .. , ., ., ,., prime minister on that but not on frackin. ? �* , ., ., ., fracking? because what labour want to do, is basically _ fracking? because what labour want to do, is basically put _ fracking? because wha

labour party around 30% ahead, which ism it's_ labour party around 30% ahead, which ism it's really— labour party around 30% ahead, which is... it's really huge, i mean, this is... it's really huge, i mean, this is really. — is... it's really huge, i mean, this is really, really significant and of course, — is really, really significant and of course, li2— is really, really significant and of course, liz truss' own personal ratings — course, liz truss' own personal ratings were historically low and meanwhile, the real concern to the public— meanwhile, the real concern to the public is _ meanwhile, the real concern to the public is the — meanwhile, the real concern to the public is the economy. it is all of these _ public is the economy. it is all of these public sector issues. not a leadership campaign.— these public sector issues. not a leadership campaign. have you ever seen anything _ leadership campaign. have you ever seen anything like _ leadership campaign. have you ever seen anything like it, _ leadership campaign. have you ever seen anything like it, that _ lead

labour thinks we should be having a general election. i think everyone i've spoken to in the public has said we should be having a general election. there is no mandate now. he having a general election. there is no mandate now.— having a general election. there is no mandate now. he should call an early general _ no mandate now. he should call an early general election. _ no mandate now. he should call an early general election. he - no mandate now. he should call an early general election. he is - no mandate now. he should call an early general election. he is the i early general election. he is the second — early general election. he is the second person in a row to be appointed as prime minister by tories, — appointed as prime minister by tories, not elected by the population. mr tories, not elected by the pepulation-_ tories, not elected by the --oulation. ~ ,, ., , .,, population. mr sunak's rapid advances _ population. mr sunak's rapid advances a _ population. mr sunak's rapid advances a significant - population. mr sunak's

— label this vote on fracking, because labour tav— label this vote on fracking, because labour lay down a motion during a debate _ labour lay down a motion during a debate which was essentially trying to marriage the government. the reintroduction of tracking in england... labourlay reintroduction of tracking in england... labour lay down this motion — england... labour lay down this motion which was intended to argue that there _ motion which was intended to argue that there should be a vote on whether— that there should be a vote on whether or not to ban fracking. that places _ whether or not to ban fracking. that places a _ whether or not to ban fracking. that places a lot — whether or not to ban fracking. that places a lot of mps in a difficult position— places a lot of mps in a difficult position because they've previously stated _ position because they've previously stated that they oppose the practice. that includes backbenchers, ministers, cabinet ministers — backbenchers, ministers, cabinet ministers as well. as the day wore on, ministers as well. as the day wore on.

and as for what labour make of it. the mini - what labour make of it. the mini budaet what labour make of it. the mini budget showed _ what labour make of it. the mini budget showed what _ what labour make of it. the mini budget showed what their - what labour make of it. the mini | budget showed what their instinct were, it was to cut task force the wealthiest in society, paid for by borrowing which in the end, current and future taxpayers will have to pay for. and future taxpayers will have to -a for. ~ , ., pay for. the prime minister and chancellor _ pay for. the prime minister and chancellor have _ pay for. the prime minister and chancellor have binned - pay for. the prime minister and chancellor have binned one - pay for. the prime minister and chancellor have binned one bit| pay for. the prime minister and i chancellor have binned one bit of plans that improved impossible to sell. there is a lot else that may not prove popular either, the prospect of spending cut, benefits cuts and spiralling interest rates which critics will blame on them. and t

why does this leave labour? as we have been discussing, they and other opposition parties are calling for a general election. they say the chaos we have seen means there is a moral case for a new government to be elected ahead of time and for whoever is leader to make that happen. but there are questions for labour at the moment about what they would do if they won power. they were forced into some tax policy announcements during the conservative party conference, excuse me, the labour party conference, in the aftermath of the mini—budget when those sweeping tax cuts that had to be backtracked on, sir keir starmer not been drawn on labour's economic policy in the detail of that this morning. whoever comes in as prime minister, we need that obr report because we all need to see the extent of the damage. what i've said from a labour party point of view, i know there are going to be tough choices. i said that three weeks ago. i said it last week again. tough choices which mean we can't do some of the things we wa

record _ question and challenge labour's record in— question and challenge labour's record in charge of wales. claiming that nhs_ record in charge of wales. claiming that nhs performances in wales was worse _ that nhs performances in wales was worse than anywhere else in the uk. theres— worse than anywhere else in the uk. there's likely to be riles if there are cuts— there's likely to be riles if there are cuts to _ there's likely to be riles if there are cuts to come. the welsh government has already started claiming — government has already started claiming that it's a lack of uk government funding that's stopping it from _ government funding that's stopping it from achieving everything it wants — it from achieving everything it wants to _ it from achieving everything it wants to do. those tensions can only increase _ wants to do. those tensions can only increase closer to a general election _ increase closer to a general election-— increase closer to a general election. ~ , ,, ., ,, election. well, when rishi sunak takes over _ election. well, when rishi sunak takes over

look at where labour are in the opinion— look at where labour are in the opinion polls. looking at the revival— opinion polls. looking at the revival of— opinion polls. looking at the revival of the liberal democrats and the snp _ revival of the liberal democrats and the snp in _ revival of the liberal democrats and the snp in scotland. and the conservative opinion polls are at incredibly— conservative opinion polls are at incredibly low levels by any modern comparison. they will continue to make _ comparison. they will continue to make that — comparison. they will continue to make that argument. they have, of course. _ make that argument. they have, of course, politicalargument make that argument. they have, of course, political argument is because _ course, political argument is because they can say, hang on, the conservatives were elected under a prime _ conservatives were elected under a prime minister, not even the last one. _ prime minister, not even the last one. the — prime minister, not even the last one, the one before that. but we should _ one, the o

and the gender gap in the labour market. childcare is notjust a question of providing childcare for working parents. there are many consequences addressed by providing affordable childcare. why are women still so disproportionately impacted by the responsibilities of caring? because you and i are doing this interview in the year 2022. women with children in the eu, they spend on average 39 hours per week of unpaid care. and compared tojust 19 hours per week for men in the same situation. so childcare and long—term care may either be unavailable or too expensive. and then women take it on themselves. and women also more often have care responsibilities due to gender stereotypes and cultural and societal expectations. that's how it is. whereas men still do not take up parental leave. and helena, let me end on this. it's a tight, very tight labor market right now. labour market right now. and that makes the case for childcare even greater. but i'm wondering, isn't the low wages associated with that industry, isn't that going

do you think labour have a leg to - think labour have a leg to sunderland at the moment? people are saying that late we haven't got enough detail from saying that late we haven't got enough detailfrom labour. will there be rises in tax? will there be cuts in tax? will they be spending cuts? labour have not answered some of those big questions on what you would do if you are in government. this is a question that is asked of us all the time. the first thing is, the government have refused to produce any document that shows any of the figures of the consequences of the figures of the consequences of the figures of the consequences of the decisions they made in government over the last three years, let alone in this mini budget. untilwe years, let alone in this mini budget. until we see those, we are not meant to make anyjudgments on the fact of what our spending and losses cuts will be. if they produce the shadow budgetjust a few months ago, you would be right to be asking me questions about that shadowed the budget. but it would be out of date in the moment it was public b

there is an alternative — - a stable labour government. the public are entitled to a say in this, and you've been out. and about, a lot of people coming up to me and saying, we _ can't go on like this. this is embarrassing. we do need to do something about it and shuffling the next one _ in at the top of the tory party for another experiment - is not the way forward. the thing is, you know we live in a parliamentary democracy and if a prime minister can command the majority of the house of commons they have a constitutional right to serve until the parliamentary term runs out. well, yes. but we are in unprecedented times. we have not been through a change of prime minister like this— ever in our history. change of personnel- at the top of the tory party. none of the government functions can actually operate _ because the personnel. are changing so quickly. and, you know, we really are seeing damage done to the economy. - in end it boils down to this, doesn't it? | for tory mps, do they put their party first or do - they put the country f

market _ long covid at her out of the labour market and — long covid at her out of the labour market and causing them difficulty. and creating a problem for the health— and creating a problem for the health service as well. what this story— health service as well. what this story is— health service as well. what this story is saying is this notjust health service as well. what this story is saying is this not just a uk problem is that you click that problem — uk problem is that you click that problem everywhere else, understandably. and more investigation to help the people concerned, which clearly seems to be a necessary— concerned, which clearly seems to be a necessary thing. it's a condition that is— a necessary thing. it's a condition that is not— a necessary thing. it's a condition that is not properly understood yet. nobody _ that is not properly understood yet. nobody quite knows exactly what it is, nobody quite knows exactly what it is. how _ nobody quite knows exactly what it is. how it _ nobody quite knows exactly what it is, how it works and what the prognosi

last night the labour party is supported bringing _ night the labour party is supported bringing down national insurance. i want _ bringing down national insurance. i want to— bringing down national insurance. i want to hear the prime minister, i'm sorry— want to hear the prime minister, i'm sorry of— want to hear the prime minister, i'm sorry of her— want to hear the prime minister, i'm sorry of her own party does not, but i want _ sorry of her own party does not, but i want to _ sorry of her own party does not, but i want to mr— sorry of her own party does not, but i want to. mr speaker, i am generally— i want to. mr speaker, i am generally unclear... we generally unclear... jeering. we don't want _ generally unclear... jeering. we don't want an _ generally unclear... jeering. we don't want an early _ generally unclear... jeering. we don't want an early bath - generally unclear... jeering. we don't want an early bath at - generally unclear... jeering. we don't want an early bath at this i don't want an early bath at this stage. — don't want an early bath at this stage.

how would labour fix that? the spending black hole. how would labour fix that?— spending black hole. how would labour fix that? the only reason we are even having _ labour fix that? the only reason we are even having this _ labour fix that? the only reason we are even having this conversation i are even having this conversation about spending cuts, we were not talking about this a month ago, is because the conservatives have crashed the economy. it is a conservative crisis made in downing street but it's the british people who are set to pay the price. we will be making different choices about ending non—dom status, ending the tax breaks private schools enjoy, a windfall tax on oil and gas producers who have more money than they know what to do with. but this does come down to the mismanagement of the economy. the reckless approach the conservatives have taken. labourwould be approach the conservatives have taken. labour would be responsible where it comes to the public finances and we would get value for money. unlike rishi sunak who presided over industria

government— would be a disaster to have a labour government now _ would be a disaster to have a labour government now. oh, i would be a disaster to have a labour government now.— would be a disaster to have a labour government now._ but. would be a disaster to have a labour| government now._ but it government now. oh, my god. but it had an each — government now. oh, my god. but it had an each seat _ government now. oh, my god. but it had an each seat majority. i government now. oh, my god. but it had an each seat majority. he i government now. oh, my god. but it had an each seat majority. he was i had an each seat majority. he was ready— had an each seat majority. he was ready guy— had an each seat majority. he was ready guy at — had an each seat majority. he was ready guy at the _ had an each seat majority. he was ready guy at the helm i had an each seat majority. he was ready guy at the helm with i had an each seat majority. he was ready guy at the helm with rishi i ready guy at the helm with rishi sunak— ready guy at the helm with rishi sunak as — ready guy at the helm

party which is ahead _ be facing a labour party which is ahead in— be facing a labour party which is ahead in the polls, very confident, that they— ahead in the polls, very confident, that they are heading for power. so if there _ that they are heading for power. so if there is— that they are heading for power. so if there is one thing the conservative party is good at usually. _ conservative party is good at usually, it's clinging to power, and ithink— usually, it's clinging to power, and i think we — usually, it's clinging to power, and i think we will see those survival instincts — i think we will see those survival instincts kick in, the closer we get to the _ instincts kick in, the closer we get to the next— instincts kick in, the closer we get to the next election.— to the next election. good to talk to the next election. good to talk to ou. to you. so, liz truss saying they're in her resignation speech just 44 days in office as prime minister, that she had not been able to deliver the mandate on which she had been elected, to lead the party to become prime minist

— that they had a massive lead over labour amongst mortgage holders and yet if you _ labour amongst mortgage holders and yet if you have got policies that are cutting taxes for much more affluent— are cutting taxes for much more affluent people but working over the head people with a mortgage, fundamentally you will come across as hideously unfair and if liz truss thinks _ as hideously unfair and if liz truss thinks this— as hideously unfair and if liz truss thinks this is her argument what she seems _ thinks this is her argument what she seems to— thinks this is her argument what she seems to be — thinks this is her argument what she seems to be missing out on as any kind of— seems to be missing out on as any kind of compassion she has understood why people might be feeling _ understood why people might be feeling uncomfortable about the policies — feeling uncomfortable about the policies announced in the budget so she has— policies announced in the budget so she has put— policies announced in the budget so she has put out half hot argument but that— she has put out half h