. >> mike: this is an interview with a guy name griffey. >> i left my leave of absence. i am a welder on the the ohio river for five years. i told them i would take a leavev absence to come down here and fight and protest. and i have been all over the country. where is the little man's bail out? out here in new york you got banners for stuff that is nice to have, but you don't need. but the moral is, you know, most of these people cannot live a simple life like this with the things i have on my back. they have to have all of that. if you are not in debt you are not happy. >> mike: one thing that grizzy said where is the little guy's bailout? in a way. i can sympathize. i was against tarp. i thought it was unconstitutional excess of government trying to create winners and losers in the market place and so he has a point. >> right. you listen to the folks. they make several valid points and the thing of it. we did bail out the banks and that's what tarp was about. >> mike: they got mon yenot loaning and helping small businesses. >> it is a tragedy what went on in 2007. i c