phone call made, we're collecting e-mails, collecting google searches. we've got -- >> we are not collecting e-mails. >> what we are -- >> we're not collecting e-mails. >> we are. >> let me just --

then he went to two big cyber-intruding powers, china and russia, and left china and went to russia. you've got to ask why did he choose those two? you've got to also ask, do the chinese have all this material? do the russians have it? >> do we know? >> we don't know. >> oh, okay. >> so it's a very serious situation. >> let me move you on to something else. you recently signed a letter urging the president to let

>> can i say something on that? there was absolutely no spying going on. this has been held by the courts through total compliance with the fourth amendment. and that type of irrational rhetoric gets us nowhere. the fact is this works. it protects us, and it's not violating the rights of one american. not one american's right has been violated. it's irresponsible to be coming out with those ridiculous statements. >> i'll let you respond to irrational, and then we'll go to cornell. >> listen, when we're scanning every piece of mail that goes through the post office, we're keeping the phone logs on every phone call made, we're collecting e-mails, collecting

>> you think he should still go to putin? >> here's what this man did. by his own admission, he came to booz allen -- >> you meant snowden? >> i meant snowden. with the purpose of going in there and taking as much material as he possibly could. he took much more than i could possibly think he could. it's very sensitive data. and then he went and strategically placed it so that it could come out at different times. then he went to two big