is whether you like joe biden or didn't like joe biden or whether paul ryan seemed like he was up to the job of being president? >> well, charlie let's talk about style and substance. the style points, you know, i moderated two of these debates, these vice presidential debates, one in which they are standing at separate podiums and one in which they were seated in that circular table like martha raddatz did tonight and i thought she did a great job. >> rose: i did too. >> one way they react when sitting across the table that's when he asked about the 47 percent and paul ryan obviously planned response was well sometimes things come out the wrong way you know that joe and biden was able to say yeah but i mean it when i say i it and that brought him back around to the question of passion that mark was talking about, but on the substance part of this, let's talk about the loose end that were left on the table, what happened, their disagreements or at least unresolved differences on iran and actually what action it is united states should take and on afghanistan and whether or not -- i c

first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman wryan to specifics. congressman ryan will have to reconcile his own budget plan and the rapidly evolving romney/ryan budget and tax plan. a lot of open questions there. i expect vice president biden's going to come out ready to hold his feet to the fire on specifics. and congressman ryan has other challenges, you know? he's not well-known on the national stage, so this will be a new introduction for him. and he has to pass the commander in chief threshold so there will be foreign policy questions tonight. he'll have to hold his own there. he also has to energize conservatives but also appeal to

joe biden on style? >> i gave him a c. i thought that the eye roll -- oh, we're going to go through -- >> i gave him a b-plus. >> on biden? b. >> b. all right, so, biden's style, c, b-plus and b. >> the eye rolling was his biggest problem. then, he started with the finger wagging and he went after martha raddatz. his voice got much louder. he started screaming and his face started bulging. i thought he looked like my dad does when he watches an obama press conference. ready to throw something at the tv. >> turned you off? >> i thought he was a mess. >> biden got the job done. he was emotional. he connected with the audience on issues that are, quite frankly, emotional. medicare, social security. but i also thought that he was passionate. yeah, he laughed, he smiled, you know, he was joe biden. he loved the day. >> he was joe. >> i -- i'm a very tough a, so, i wasn't going to give probably anybody an a. i think he did exactly what he needed to do. the democratic base needed to be energied. they needed to be energied with so

>> i think joe biden won the debate. his mission was to go in, energize democrats, defend the president's record and challenge congressman ryan on some of the misrepresentations that they've made about obama/biden record and frankly, ask him for specifics about what they would do, this mystery tax plan and whose budget are they actually running on. i think he did all of that last night and did it really well. >> kristen, do you agree with that? >> no, but i think it's possible for republicans to really think their guy won and for democrats to really think their guy won. i don't think this is partisan spinning because both men went in with different objectives. joe biden went in with his objective being i'm going to heckle the republicans, and fire up my base. he did that. i think paul ryan said i have to go in and prove i can be vice president or president of the united states. i think there are no republicans out there complaining about his performance. i think he did a good job, he did exactly what he needed to. >> i d

>> look, joe biden is going to be joe biden. that would have been true whether he was doing this after a different debate last week or not. you know joe biden and the american people have gotten to know him. he's a fighter for the middle class. he feels it in his gut and even more importantly, the policies that he and the president stand for are ones that will help the middle class, which is in stark contrast to the romney/ryan plan. so, i think the nation is in for a really good discussion tonight. >> i think you're very right. a very serious, strong discussion. you know paul ryan now probably better than anyone you studied and studied him getting ready for these debate preparations. where do you believe the wisconsin congressman is most vulnerable? >> well, paul ryan is very quick on his feet. we've debated his budget many times in the house. but i think he's most vulnerable when it comes to translating his budget into the impact that it has on real people. when you actually begin to crunch the numbers and do the math, you fin

so what did joe biden do? he threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> dana: many americans are still trying to figure out what the administration knew about the libya terror attack. joe biden started out of the gate last night. >> what were you first told about the attack? why were people talking about protests? when people in the consulate first saw armed me there were no protesters? why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community, the intelligence community told us that as they learned more facts about exactly what happened. they changed. we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. by the way, at the time, we were told exactly, said what the intelligence community told us they knew

joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human being thinks joe biden is over the top. >> joe biden -- >> hold on. >> he came in with this cultural expectation, courtesy of the onion he was going to take his shirt off and rather up the podium. like he has a lot of room to run. >> i don't think statesman is a word you particularly associate with vice president biden. he was not statesman-like yesterday. he wasn't supposed to be. it's not the training that he got to go out there. he was going to go out there and beat up romney and he did that. >> by the way, the fact that the republicans are making a big deal about whether he was s

i think you saw joe biden last night maybe not everybody has seen joe biden over the years in debates and other places, but i felt that was the joe biden that i know. and i don't think there was any pretense. as he said, i mean what i say and i say what i mean. >> laura: middle class has been buried in the last four years. that helps the republicans. >> he had a good night. democrats are very happy. as you are well aware the republicans are pretty happy today, too. both sides got what they wanted. >> let's go to you, chris, i'm looking at some the polls. cnn did an instant poll and it showed that 48% of the people who watched thought that really paul ryan had the better of the debate. 44% biden. i think within the margin of error. it was pretty time nevertheless, let's say paul ryan had done to biden what biden did to paul ryan just on the gesturing. just on the laughing. how do you think the media today would be playing all of this? how do you think they would be reacting? i have a feeling they would say it was really disrespectful of the vice president and unbecoming a man such as p

joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. >> richard wolffe on the education of congressman paul ryan. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptu

joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. >> richard wolffe on the education of congressman paul ryan. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected should those that believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptu

joe biden is a liberal, a new deal. to point outownefirst that, while his own president said is that he's willing to raise the retirement age, joe biden says no. this is a major for medicare and social security. they will not be around. we are the party of the medicare and social security. what about now? what will you do when your own president has said medicare will die unless it is reform? i think he is inclined toward that new deal liberalism. you except what joe biden will say. if you listen to paul ryan, he said we have to amend it. we have to change it. and this is how we will do it. >> i want to get to policy, to appear in a week after the first presidential debate, why was the president still talking about it? >> at the debate, what happened? >> gov. romney had a good night. i had a bad night. it is not the first time i have had a bad night. >> in the polls are to be believed, it was a bad bad night. and the president was still talking about it a week later. in fact, he has not stopped talking about it. did the

joe biden should always be joe biden. no one can ever beat you at your own game. my mother, a southern mama, used to tell me all the time it's only when you try to be someone else that you fail. and that is the accusation against governor romney. that is perhaps why friends of mine who are conservatives don't totally buy into mitt romney. you may make mistakes being yourself, but that you a then tisity that is needed, that is palpable, that can be felt through a television screen, it has to come from you being you. so i marvel at the fact that someone with joe biden's experience, someone like joe biden who has been in debates and won many debates, is being given advice to be himself. no one can ever beat you when you are yourself. so if that is the advice, he should certainly take it. >> can i ask you to refix your microphone because when you were speaking it was jumping and jumbling against your cheek and our viewers are not as able to hear you as clearly as they'd like. >> they gave christmas e matthe good mike. >> this is a 62-year-old veteran versus the 42-yea

>> i think obviously joe biden is 69 years old. paul ryan is 42 years old. 27-year difference, but on all of these issues the two went at it, and i thought paul ryan -- he went toe to toe on national security foreign policy issues with the vice president who has way more experience in all of these areas than ryan did, but ryan obviously has studied a lot. certainly over the last few weeks getting ready for this debate. he didn't fumble, and the vice president, there were no gaffs by joe biden during this dae bait. people can dmran about some stylistic maneuvers and the hands and the smiles and the smirks and all that kind of stuff, but there were no major verbal gaffs or anything by either of these candidates. i think it was a pretty good substantive debate. >> okay. so now i want to jump to something that's sort of unusual. i don't often hear pundits discuss this part of the debate. it was the very end, the stuff you're not usually supposed to be watching. it was when the families came up on the stage. i don't know about you, but

that now goes to joe biden. the happiest clappiest guy i have ever seen. >> stephanie: yeah isn't that something. we were just comparing it to the great bill clinton tape. there really is something to be said for jumping down. >> bill clinton jumping up and down? >> stephanie: yes. >> and the guy has had bypass surgery, can you calm it down a notch, bill. but exactly, he was amazing. who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes. joe biden did everything you predicted, stephanie. you predicted this was going to happen. >> stephanie: i said he is going to make mincemeat out of him. >> you did. and who eats mincemeat anyway? >> stephanie: i don't know. >> here is what is so interesting about the whole process. is you get these moments. there was one moment late in the debate, and you talked about it earlier on where they got into choice, they got into abortion and here was paul ryan saying our ticket believes absolutely we don't want unelected judges making this decision. wouldn't you have loved to have a tap

joe biden just needs to be joe biden. >> reporter: they described his mood as upbeat. whether joe biden and ryan uses first names, remains to be scene. the moderator will introduce him as congressman, although he is far less experienced than joe biden, ryan's advisers don't seem worried. >> he can talk about all his years in washington, all the multiple times he has run for president, the tough decisions he has made. they have a record that is bad for the country, he will have to defend it. >> what he can't run from is the president's record. >> reporter: aides say mr. ryan spent the afternoon relaxing with family, working in time for last minute studying. he even hit the gym, just as an old-time picture hits the stands, and a pep talk from his seven-year-old son, sam. now we're on the college campus, of course, which means certain traditions need to be upheld. a couple of days ago, a student brought the picture of fred vincent into the debate hall. he has not missed a home football game here since he passed away. now finally, president obama will watch tonight's debat

but paul ryan called out by joe biden. we will check in with charles i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many different park service units across the united states. the only time i've ever had a break is when i was on maternity leave. i have retired from doing this one thing that i loved. now, i'm going to be able to have the time to explore something different. it's like another chapter. >> you sigh, if you don't have a good record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from. that was what president obama said in 2008. that's what he is doing right now. >> sean: that's exactly what the vice-president did in last night's debate. forget the record, uncle joe did everything in his power to hide from his boss's failures and used the left's favorite tactic, divisive class warfare. >> they are holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. the middle class got knocked on their heels. the great recession crushed them. they need some help now. whatever you call it, the bottom line is

it's going to be joe biden, vice president joe biden and paul ryan debating. they're both going to try to appeal to the working class, and i laugh. i enjoyed that when i said, america still has a working class? i don't think so. everybody is gone. >> this is nice. this week the obama's dog bo turned 4 years old. he spent the day, as he always does, digging holes, chasing squirrels and coaching obama for the debates. >> election watchers are always poised this late in the campaign season for what they refer to as an october surprise. it appears that time is upon us as evidenced by the recent presidential debate where barack obama unveiled his explosive october surprise, that he has given up! given up. surprise! >> proof that the obama team wants a different story coming out of tonight. >> "early start" continues right now. >>> no sideshow, not anymore if high stakes as the two candidates for vice president get ready to take the stage for tonight's debate. we will take you inside. >> and against all odds. rescuers on the scene of a deadly parking garage collapse

of joe biden, i do in the think >> and the age of joe biden. not easy to debate your father. >> for a vice presidential nominee the bar is to prove you could be president if you had to. any doubt that paul ryan met that? >> yeah, i doubt it. i don't want him to be president. i'd be scared if he was president. >> i think you're in the mine or -- a lot this morning are saying he looked like he could hale it. >> you know, when it came to foreign policy he looked very robotic, i thought. i thought that, you know, he looked like he had a good training. >> when you listen to his answers, he splay looked robotic, but when you listen to the substance of his answers. >> i think there were a lot of questions he didn't answer. i think there were a lot of moments where he just kind of, you know, shrugged his shoulders. >> ana, let me ask you, martha, pushed paul ryan very hard on the specifics of the tax plan, the 20% tax rates, how do they pay foit. ryan really did not fill in the blanks there. will he have to at some point? did he satisfy you? will he sa

folks here think that joe biden was disrespectful. they think their man paul ryan was on target and they think it will carry had him to victory in november. i'm sure that my colleague rob roth had a very different take, though. he is with the democrats in san francisco. >> very different. the debate watch party here at the south of had market nightclub is about wrapping up. folks here say they're going home happy. perhaps 200 democrats showed up to watch vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan square off. the party is hosted by the organization technology for obama. democrats say a lot of riding on tonight and that joe biden came through. with president barack obama's lackluster performance in the last debate supporters were hoping the veteran biden would show energy and passion and in the process regain momentum from the republicans. they say he did. >> we're lacking for vice president joe biden to show his experience when talk to be representative ryan. vice president biden has done this before. hopefully he is not afraid

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democrats certainly like how joe biden did as well. let's take a closer look at focus group of undecided virginia voters. how they responded. we measured reaction. the green line represents men. the yellow line is women. biden's best moment of the night. happened around 9:25 p.m. eastern. the question, if it's possible to get unemployment below 6%. listen to the vice president talk about taxes and the economy. >> they should be pledging to the middle class, we're going to level the playing feel. we'll give you a fair shot again. we're not going to repeat the mistakes we've done in the past by having a different set of rules for wall street and main street, making sure we continue to hemorrhage these tax cuts for the superwealthy. >> now let's take a look at paul ryan's best moment. he peaked at 9:27 p.m. eastern, answering the same question that biden peaked at. >> we need real reforms for real recovery. exactly what mitt romney and i are positive proposing. help people get the skills for the jobs they want. make trade work for america

when he thanked joe biden, biden was smirking. i thought that came across as very disrespectful and symbol symbolic of the way that joe biden handled the night. on the substance, i was struck by the same thing with respect to libbia. it seemed that vice-president was criticizing the intelligence community, in some ways, by not giving them as much information as we thought. he blamed all the false statements of the obama administration on the intelligence community and seemed to raise questions about the confidence of the intelligence community and in a discussion about iran, he said, we will know when they go to -- when they go to a break-out for the bomb. it seems to me, there is major tension between those two statements on the one hand, suggesting they are not competent enough to know what happened on the ground in libya but saying they will know for sure if iran decides to go for the bomb. >> on domestic policy, we heard joe biden do what his boss, barack obama, did not, hammer the 47% comoant that mitt romney said and was tal

i think joe biden did. but ryan did have that one good line on taxes, raising fear about increases in middle class taxes. >> there are a couple of shots taken, like you bring in a foreign object to a wrestling match. one was you're under duress. also the one comparing joe biden's gaps, which are usually harmless, with what the president was heard saying in terms of the 47-minute expose. to compare those two seems ludicrous. >> well, it seems ludicrous, chris, but i think it was effective to the extent that it's an irresistible sound bite. it's an irresistible exchange. but joe biden got the last word there, sort of. he said, well, when i speak, i'm telling the truth. you know, when i misspeak, i'm saying what i really believe. what he needed to say further was that's what mitt romney really believes. >> he did. he did say that. >> yeah, he did say it. >> when i say it, i mean it, and this guy does too. that's the dangerous stuff. anyway, thank you, howard. we'll see you later tonight. >> play the whole soun

they will remember joe biden's mannerisms . michael goodwin said he was laughing in the begin angry in the end and it was not clear if his medication is wearing off. >> if you like joe biden you liked it. and if you didn't you thought it was a bore. what about the people in the middle? >> it was not the interruptions only but the condescending manner that turned off the voterss and thea may haunt the ticket later on >> do you think paul ryan rose to the presidential level on foreign policy? >> he did. look that a bit of a mixed performance at times. he scored heavily talking about libya and benghazi in the beginning and talking about american projecting its image in the world and some thought it was his most effective lines of the entire debate. i think there was less of a good response on syria and iran to a certain degree and the question isid whether or not biden's performance was over the top and did that matter. people were having a hard time paying attention to anything but joe biden. >> paul, it is supposed to be a debat

so what did joe biden do? he threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. cymbalta is not approved for children under 18. people taking maois or thioridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take cymbalta. taking it with nsaid pain relievers, aspir

about joe biden -- >> we're all happy with joe biden. >> the question is, does joe biden's shackles metaphor predominantly work to the advantage or disadvantage of the democratic ticket? >> he made himself a liability. >> it works to the disadvantage. the ticket, yes or no? >> democrats say this is joe. and they also -- >> what else can they say? >> what else can they say? >> they like what he said. [ laughter ] >> turning back the clock. >> they really say they want joe even though it is joe being joe. >> of course. >> it is a detraction from the democrats but not overwhelming. >> so keep joe? >> he is definitely going to stay. i don't think there is any chance he will leave. >> barack obama almost never fires anybody. or gets anybody out. the fact is he believes in loyalty. i will tell you, the last year, i will say it no, there is no chance that joe is not going to be on the ticket. and the fact of the matter is that the people complaining now are people who ain't going to vote for obama anyway. >> do you think that barack obama lacks ego? >> lacks ego? >> psycho analysis? >> do

but paul ryan called out by joe biden. we will check in with charles krauthammer coming up next. [ thunder crashes ] [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes ] it doesn't. stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. >> you sigh, if you don't have a good record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from. that was what president obama said in 2008. that's what he is doing right now. >> sean: that's exactly what the vice-president did in last night's debate. forget the record, uncle joe did everything in his power to hide from his boss's failures and used the left's favorite tactic, divisive class warfare. >> they are holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. the middle class got knocked on their heels. the great recession crushed them. they need some help now. whatever you call it, the bottom line is people are g

paul ryan 48%, joe biden 44%. cnn parentally republicans were oversampled more than usual in a cnn poll. so that may be why that number's high up. and i'm going to give david and jonathan a chance to catch their breath and get your analysis. i've been flying all morning long and i'm not into man fights. this notion, the headline will be can president obama duplicate, replicate, pick up where biden left off, that is what matters here. >> i think that will be the headline starting tomorrow. we done the have to wait till tuesday. >> right. >> the fact that there's no unanimity of agreement like last week. last week everybody knew what happened, democrats, republicans alike agree, it had not been president obama's best night. last night both sides are defending their guy and i think it was probably close to being a quote, unquote, tie. but it doesn't really matter if it doesn't show up in the polls, four, five, sitch days later, a week later. i suspect we're not going to see any long-term vice presidential debate boun

joe biden was trusted. he's the guy who always took the train from washington back up to wilmington. >> because? >> because that's where he lived. >> and because his two kids were orphaned. >> his kids were orphaned. his first wife died in a tragic accident. he's the kind of guy who liked to ride the train, who liked to talk to people on the train. his dad was a car dealer. he's an average guy. he went to state schools. he knows how to speak the real language. the onion newspaper, the humor newspaper, they've got a guy they call onion joe biden, and he's a guy with tattoos and a muscle tee who's always polishing his pontiac. that's an exaggeration, but on the other hand, that's who joe biden is. and the other thing about joe biden -- and i think the senator will agree with me -- he was one of the best informed, most detail focused guys. he was chairman of the foreign relations committee, chairman of the judiciary committee. this is not just a show horse by any means. >> it helps if you're 29 years old when

it was the aggressive joe biden, democrats wanted and it was an aggressive joe biden they got. >> it has been done couple of times >> it has never -- >> [ inaudible ] >> oh, now you are john kennedy. it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of americans are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> biden was caught smirking smiling, and even laughing through much of the debate. not sure how you could not laugh because of the lies coming from ryan. according to the twitter verse biden's most popular remark of the night was when he asked ryan now you are jack kennedy. that lead to more than 7,000 tweets per minute. we will have more on the debates coming up on bill press and on our current news updates. join us in our chat room current.com/bill press. see you there. [ dennis' voice ] i bet he's got an allstate agent. they can save you up to 30% more by bundling your policies. well his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds. are you in good hands? [ ryan ] it doesn't get any better than endless shrimp at red lobster. you ca

joe biden was on his game. he's trending on twitter in a good way, in a bad way, he clearly was in command of the stage last night. >> both of them performed well. paul ryan was much more confident and assured than he was in his speech, acceptance speech in august. i think he handled himself very well. i think biden delivered more of what his side needed. look at the polling. cnn poll had ryan winning, cbs poll had biden winning. biden was effective when he got back to framing this as a choice of who is on your side. ryan, in the answer on libya was effective when he could get back to whether the past four years justify another four years. those are each strong arguments for those remaining undecided voters, which is why i think the debate, above all, shows we may be headed for the third photo finish presidential election out of the last four. >> jessica, if you listen to the reaction, it appears from joe biden's performance, i think people are saying, you know, joe biden, after that phone call with president o

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what are you counts for from joe biden. we'll talk all about that and today your calls at 866-55-press 866-557-7377. good to see you. the steam in place, and ready to go. unlike the nats yesterday. peter ogburn and dan henning. >> good morning. >> bill: and siprion bolling still on special assignment aka jamaica, one of those. and monty filling in and doing a good job. dan it is your fault. >> no no. it is actually you and your wife's fault. >> bill: i knew you would blame carol. >> when we ended the show yesterday, you were not going to the game. >> bill: yeah, i scored two tickets. i canceled an interview with the bbc, a lunch a friend and a white house briefing and said, come on carol we're going to go the game. >> it used to be that people would make up excuses to not go to a nationals game. >> they had the largest crowd ever, yesterday. over 45,000 people. >> bill: it was very exciting to be here. in fact i brought my flag. >> you know that was cool. >> bill: that was cool. did you see that whole sea of red flags wavin

is whether you like joe biden or didn't like joe biden or whether paul ryan seemed like he was up to the job of being president? >> well, charlie let's talk about style and substance. the style points, you know, i moderated two of these debates, these vice presidential debates, one in which they are standing at separate podiums and one in which they were seated in that circular table like martha raddatz did tonight and i thought she did a great job. >> rose: i did too. >> one way they react when sitting across the table that's when he asked about the 47 percent and paul ryan obviously planned response was well sometimes things come out the wrong way you know that joe and biden was able to say yeah but i mean it when i say i it and that brought him back around to the question of passion that mark was talking about, but on the substance part of this, let's talk about the loose end that were left on the table, what happen, their disagreements or at least unresolved differences on iran and actually what action it is united states should take and on afghanistan and whether or not -- i cou

biden, hasn't been in the game as long as joe biden. so does biden walk into that stage with a tougher challenge? >> yes i think biden has the tougher challenge tonight. he does have an advantage, though. as you've shown in your own poll there. people expect biden to lose, and ryan to do better. that's because of their view of joe biden. i think they might be surprised by biden, just it's a they were surprised by mitt romney's performance in denver. but, yeah. ryan simply has to maintain the momentum that was generated by his running mate, mitt romney. if he does reasonably well, if he holds his own, if he even tie, i think that will be a plus for the romney/ryan ticket. so the greater burden is on biden. he does have longer experience at this. certainly has done many more high profile debates and he'll need all the experience to do well. >> all right. again, i'm going to be watching. i know you will, and i would venture a guess this one may be rated higher than the presidential debate. thank you very much, larry. appreciate it. >> than