i think joel klein and other very savvy people of the news corp are doing everything possible to make sure that the foreign, corrupt practices act doesn't kick in here. you are right, 60 percent of news corp's revenues and profits are earned in the united states, eight percent in the uk. so -- but this is not just a little local difficulty. this goes to the reputation of the news corporation, and it goes to the attitude of the shareholders, he holds 40 percent, he and his family own 40 percent of news corp, but that least 60 percent in the hands of others. i think there are very large questions that hang over the larger enterprise here. >> rose: so what do you think it is? >> one of the things that trig third whole situation, the scrutiny being renewed on phone hacking which is a five-year old story when it broke back into the public in the middle of last year, was the fact that news corporation flu rupert murdoch and particularly james murdoch, his son was trying to get full control of sky, the satellite broadcast, that they set up and partially own in the uk. that was -- that would

i think joel klein and other very savvy people of the news corp are doing everything possible to make sure that the foreign, corrupt practices act doesn't kick in here. you are right, 60 percent of news corp's revenues and profits are earned in the united states eight percent in the uk. so -- but this is not just a little local difficulty. this goes to the reputation of the news corporation, and it goes to the attitude of the shareholders, he holds 40 percent, he and his family own 40 percent of news corp, but that least 60 percent in the hands of others. i think there are very large questions that hang over the larger enterprise here. >> rose: so what do you think it is? >> one of the things that trig third whole situation, the scrutiny being renewed on phone hacking which is a five-year old story when it broke back into the public in the middle of last year, was the fact that news corporation flu rupert murdoch and particularly james murdoch, his son was trying to get full control of sky the satellite broadcast, that they set up and partially own in the uk. that was -- that would ha

. >> my imsuppression that joel klein is conducting an internal investigation. is that true or not true. >> we are told and there have been some reports that after the doweller situation this summer mr. kline's strategy which was tow do an internal investigation of their own and hand the investigation over to the authorities or wherever is what took precedence and that happened in britain. in other words, an independent group of people called the management and standards committee was moved outside of the regular habitat of news international, the news corporation offices in britain and they conducted an internal investigation totally cooperating with the police. the result of that, for instance was the arrest of ten editors and reporters of the "sun" for bribery. but it's not clear the company as a whole is conducting a complete examination of what the problems are. >> rose: how is the difference between the examination that they are conducting-- whatever it is-- and the examinations that the "new york times" did after the jason case? >> well, i was at the "new

. >> rose: a lot of the focus on joel klein when he was chancellor, michellery, arnie duncan, the secretary of education. are you fundamentally in opposition to the philosophy they have. >> well, i never, ever personalize anything i say. i just talk about my ideas are different. >> rose: are your ideas different than their ideas? >> well, i'd say they're very critical of teachers. they believe in closing schools. i mean, i would say this is something that the three of them have in common. they believe one way to improve schools is to close them. i believe if something is not working, you work on it and make it better and you try to find the good in it. if people are doing a bad job, they shouldn't be there. but in every struggling school, there's always the core of good people, and you try to support them. you try to bring in the resources, and the-- whatever support you can to make that school work. i feel whenever a school is closed, it's like a knife in the heart of the community. and we're now starting to see whether it's in chicago or new york city or other cities tremendous push-back

. >> my imsuppression that joel klein is conducting an internal investigation. is that true or not true. >> we are told and there have been some reports that after the doweller situation this summer mr. kline's strategy which was tow do an internal investigation of their own and hand the investigation over to the authorities or wherever is what took precedence and that happened in britain. in other words, an independent group of people called the management and standards committee was moved outside of the regular habitat of news international, the news corporation offices in britain and they conducted an internal investigation totally cooperating with the police. the result of that, for instance was the arrest of ten editors and reporters of the "sun" for bribery. but it's not clear the company as a complete examination of what the problems are. >> rose: how is the difference between the examination that they are conducting-- whatever it is-- and the examinations that the "new york times" did after the jason case? >> well, i was at the "new york times" at the ti

. >> rose: do we know judge joel klein is, the former assistant attorney general in the clinton administration, or do we know what role he is playing after being chancellor of schools in new york? >> we don't. we saw him sitting behind the two murdochs, rupert and james, during their appearance before the parliamentary committee on culture, media, and sport, last summer, looking quite inscrutable, and i have to say, impeccably dressed. >> rose: you would know impeccable dressing, wouldn't you? >> i would know it, ages the chinese would say, education by negative example, as you can see. >> rose: republican laws-- >> we know he plays an important role, and a committee, the management and standards committee to root through, as they said, all evidence, mostly in the form of documentar evidence e-mails 300 million of them, at the "news" and "sun," that committee has taken a pretty hard line and has been handing over information to scotland yard which has resulted in some of those 30 arrests that have been made. no charges. i think it's important to say, to be fair to james murdoch, that he's not