romney was at the company. the point is, let me put it-- >> and they would say, for example, four jobs went overseas not reporting that 100 jobs were created here. and you look at the bain record, and it's phenomenal. this is a great american success story. more than 80% of the hundreds of companies they've backed with grown revenues, and the companies in total have grown their revenue by about 100 billion dollars. i mean, you've heard the successes and in terms of staples and bright horizons child care centers, there are tons of companies you haven't heard of, and in manufacturing and in technology, you're talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs created and it's a phenomenal record. i think mr. romney ought to be more aggressive about sharing it. >> mary, if the charges are so bogus, why aren't they having enough for the obama political team to double down on their bet? >> they're fixating on ohio, a place sensitive to outsourcing, but the problem is, the obama-- the romney campaign does not know how to de

romney will win that. everyone is surprised that all of these polls are pretty much saying obama is in command of the lead. chuck talked about they lost august. one reading is that they lost the summer, the romney campaign. if you look at obama did, they did, at the start of this race was in may. that's when they started going out with tough ads and framing romney as someone who wasn't in touch with the middle class and the tax issue, him releasing his tax returns. he was always on the defensive and now he has a lot of ground to make up. gwen: is there an argument to be made that there is a policy shift going on in america's mind as well, not just a good speech or a good piece of positioning, but actually people are looking at their choices differently now? >> there are ways to think of this, not just through polling data but economic data and there is a surge of optimism. small business confidence is up. some financial market participant indexes are up. this would suggest that people are starting to feel

he goes around saying that as if it was romney's intent. that's not romney's intent. romney god -- got to say the president is the one who's not telling the truth because he's implying that i would do that. >> a romney advisor last week said we have two goals. one is deficit reduction, one is tax cuts. if tax cuts get in the way, we'll do deficit reduction. gwen: there's another number. $716 million to deal with medicare but it's coming from different places and going to different places and therefore they find -- kind of ended up in a draw. >> for the president's health care plan, in order to fund it they assumed savings over 10 years of $716 billion for medicare. mitt romney called that a cut in medicare as if it was a cut in beneficiaries. it's meant to come from providers. however, what romney was saying is that if you take that much from providers, some of them are going to stop taking medicare parents. the trick for him is that paul ryan, his running mate, also assumed the same $716 billion. gwen: and i believe romney's answer to that was i'm the candidate. >> i

gwen: and the president accusing romney of robbing the poor. >> it's romney hood. they have tried to sell us this trickle down tax cut fairy dust before and guess what, it does not work. gwen: the biggest open question is who will run with romney? the short list shrinks. covering the week, john harwood of cnbc and the "new york times." beth reinhard of "national journal," and jeff zeleny of "the new york times." >> award-winning reporting and analysis. covering history as it happens. live from our nation's capital, this is "washington week with gwen ifill and national journal". corporate funding for washington west virginia is provided by -- >> this rock has never stood still. since 1875 we've been there for our clients through good times and bad. when their needs changed we were there to meet them. through the years from insurance to investment 34g9, from real estate to requirement solutions, we've developed new ideas for the financial challenges ahead. this rock has never stood still and that's one thing that will never change. prudential. >> a line is a powerful

but this is not even about romney or primarily about romney. this would be happening no matter who the republican nominee for president was. it was happening before the campaign. beyond romney, while there's nothing about birtherism that is necessarily about race, you can think another politician born in canada. there is at this point an enormous amount of evidence that some of what's going on in the reaction both positive and negative to obama's presidency is in fact about race. and yet, this is the one topic that obama frankly can't talk about anymore. he talked about race in the '08 campaign when he had to. when he was forced to by the jeremiah wright scandal. but since then, not so much. daniel gillian, a political scientist at the university of pennsylvania looked at nearly all public presidential remarks for recent presidents and found that in his first two years as president, obama talked less about race than any other democratic president since 1961. in this month's issue of the atlantic, a remarkable and brave piece in the race and age

>> that romney can accomplish? >> uh-huh. >> a lot of it depends on the makeup of the next congress. i doubt they'll pass the across the board tax cuts. he had to propose that stuff in order to be palatable to the electorate, and i don't think there will be any mandate for him, should he win, i don't see a sweeping republican take over the senate and it's very likely for the republicans to take the senate and the house will probably stay that there's a chance that a lot of what romney has accomplished. >> everyone knows romney is a moderate and he's pretending to be a conservativconservative. can he accomplish anything? sure. it wasn't too many decades ago that the difference between republicans and democrats were not that extreme and there are still a lot of moderates who are afraid to come out because they don't want to get hammered by the tea-party types during the election election, but beyond that it's a whole different question. it's the socialism during the government and against central planning and he woul

he knew mitt romney's position better than mitt romney knew his own positions. i thought the president was smart, he connected with the audience in the room and the people outside tuning in. >> b minus? >> he won four years ago for being cool, for being cool under pressure and tonight he was hot. he was overheated, in my view and more importantly, for the president, i think he will be viewed as a little too overheated and too hot in the view of the few people who still haven't made up their mind or haven't decided whether they'll vote again for him as they did four years ago. >> definitely hotter this time. >> i gave a b. i'm a tough a. i thought the president did what he needed to do, what many people hoped, partisans had hoped whhope ed he would do two weeks ago and he came out on fire. came out jabbing, with energy, what he needed to do. i didn't think he was too aggressive in this debate at all, he did what he needed to do to put mitt romney on the defensive and i think that changed for him. >> the town mall meeting makes it harder to attack each other but t

so romney was right. but on medicaid, where romney said it wasn't wouldn't be a cut twould be inflation plus 1% and obama said it would be a 30% cut. there was an independent study by bloomberg. they say that romney's medicaid proposal, $1.26 trillion loss in medicaid over 10 years under the romney plan. so there were facts and some loose arguing of the facts am but an interesting debate. i am not sure a game changer, but a good night for romney, a little less so for the president. >> thank you. bret, at the beginning of the show, you were jealous of me because i was with the action and now you are with the action. >> yes. chris wallace has good analysis and he can pick good times. coming up, charles krauthammer on who came out on top. he joins us after this break. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i

barack obama has a chest full of amnition to use against mitt romney. >> as does romney. >> as does romney, but romney was using what he had to whatever effect he could use it. what people were expecting was for barack obama to respond in kind. if you are being attacked, if you see somebody getting beat up on the side of the street and the guy doesn't fight back, you go, wow, that is just sad. like this guy just got beat up. why wouldn't he fight back and protect himself? barack obama was getting beat up. and he could have defended himself. it would have been a huge mistake for people to assume that barack obama is not effective at being able to communicate. he is very effective. knowing that and watching him not do what you know he is capable of doing was a very strange thing for most americans to see. >> got to wrap up it. charles blow, thanks for coming in. they both have attacks in their chest. if they are not using them, it's a debate, a battle. >> there you go. >>> if you fell asleep, if you forgot, if you were watching baseball because that was pretty good too the presidential debat

that is what romney talks about. when sigh him do that, i feel pretty good about because i think he is on the right path. you may not hear it through the mega phone of national media and he should do it more. >> paul: i paid attention to your race in 2010. you ran against a candidate ted strickland very much like the president is, tried to associate with you wall street and big banks. you beat him. how can mitt romney beat a campaign like that in ohio? >> he's got to be here paul. he was in high hometown not long ago. he had an overflow crowd that was amazing. i've been around a lot of national campaigns. when you are out with him. you see the enthusiasm. look the most important thing for candidate running for president is to get people to understand that he understands their problems or she understands their problems and knows how to fix them. jim roads the fourth term governor of ohio, all that matters in ohio is the size of this wallet. sf it's getting fatter, they will do well. if it is small are, they will not d

romney. it was one of these situations where the timing worked out where you get to sit down with the governor and actually be able to ask the questions everybody wants to know. are you going to keep saying this is a penalty? and he's threading a very fine line here. the clip that you showed, he's saying, personally, i really do think it's a penalty. because he has a similar penalty in massachusetts. gwen: what i did in massachusetts. >> but the court says it's a tax. >> he didn't say it was a tax in massachusetts, right, a penalty in massachusetts, he will stand by that. >> absolutely because he doesn't want to be -- part of his mantra is that as governor of massachusetts, he didn't raise taxes. so these are these technical definitions. the bottom line is, whatever you call it, a tax or a penalty, it's still people will pay if they don't have insurance. >> but the astonishing thing was that eric fernstrom, as close to governor romney as any of his advisers, has been with him a long time, wou

tax plan. >> governor romney says. he doesn't have a five-point plan. he has a one point plan. that plan is -- >>> make a lot less. you can shifted jobs overseas and get tax breaks for it. you can invest in a company, bankrupt it. lay off the workers. strip away their pensions and you still make money. that is exactly the philosophy that we've seen in place for the last decade. that is what has been squeezing middle-class families. >> bob: the fact of the matter is romney said and ryan's tax plan is a lies. it's damn lies and worse than that. they don't have one. it's not workable. it's impossible to have the tax loopholes to close to pay for this thing. no. >> what is obama's tax plan? we don't have time for that. there is none. >> top 10 percent pay 70% of all federal income tack. how much more can they come up with? >> 90. >> can i say something on this, that is your favorite moment. if you look again going back to the beginning of show, deficit, government spending, governor romney up high. >> i agree with bob, it'

and didn't really want to gauge but romney was engaging them all night and i think that was romney's strength or one of the strengths from a perception standpoint in this debate you know viewers would definitely have picked up on i think ok i'm going to ask comments about you know i was going to say david i think for the first time romney got what he wanted he looked presidential for the first time. yeah yeah i think he did he's looked out of touch before he seemed to be connecting he was connecting punches and he was connecting with the american people who after all are a very aspirational race you know they want to be mitt romney they don't necessarily want to be barack obama what barack obama succeeded in doing in the last election was persuading them that george w. bush had made a terrible mess of running the country but he's not yet proved that. romney would make a terrible mess of it and he has got this track record of commercial success which is a is a weakness in a bomber's argument he can't say that this guy has has failed in his own by his own estimation you know and i thin

so romney was right. but on medicaid, where romney said it wasn't wouldn't be a cut twould be inflation plus 1% and obama said it would be a 30% cut. there was an independent study by bloomberg. they say that romney's medicaid proposal, $1.26 trillion loss in medicaid over 10 years under the romney plan. so there were facts and some loose arguing of the facts am but an interesting debate. i am not sure a game changer, but a good night for romney, a little less so for the president. >> thank you. bret, at the beginning of the show, you were jealous of me because i was with the action and now you are with the action. >> yes. chris wallace has good analysis and he can pick good times. coming up, charles krauthammer on who came out on top. he joins us after this break. you see us, at the start of the day. on the company phone list that's a few names longer. you see us bank on busier highways. on once empty fields. everyday you see all the ways all of us at us bank are helping grow our economy. lending more so

and didn't really want to gauge but romney was engaging them all night and i think that was romney's strength or one of the strengths from a perception standpoint in this debate you know viewers would definitely have picked up on i think ok i'm going to comment about you know i was going to say david i think for the first time romney got what he wanted he looked presidential for the first time. yeah yeah i think he did he's looked out of touch before he seemed to be connecting he was connecting punches and he was connecting with the american people who after all are a very aspirational race you know they want to be mitt romney they don't necessarily want to be barack obama what barack obama succeeded in doing in the last election was persuading them that george w. bush had made a terrible mess of running the country but he's not yet proved that. romney would make a terrible mess there and he has got this track record of commercial success which is a is a weakness in about his argument he can't say that this guy has has failed in his own by his own estimation you know now i think it's

mitt romney is mixing up a whole bunch of ideas. the 47% who do not pay income tax which is a result of reagan, bush, and it bush jr. tax policies. half the population has no stake in income tax rate. it is a huge issue but not the way you want to talk about it. there is this culture of dependency which the obama administration is increasing in changing the welfare to work requirements. that is an issue. this way, he has an argument but he has to work his way out of a paper bag first. >> a couple of polls this week. nbc wall street journal poll. obama does not do well with foreign policy. what do these numbers tell you? >> there is a 19% one where obama will help the middle class more than mitt romney. that is a huge gap exacerbated by the 47%. mitt romney can get the conversation back to the economy and maybe can be more specific. but what he has to do is have a personality transplant said the middle class can identify with him. >> here is a number that would scare me. 43% now agree that each would do equally well on the economy. >

mitt romney has had a lot of misses. they have been throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the president, making up opportunitiesor that and not exist. they do not even have an organization in pennsylvania. they know the math does not work for them. they're being patently dishonest. at the end of the day, this election whether it is florida or ohio is going to be who the voters trusted move us forward to fight for the middle class and working families to make sure we do not have a president that will shut the health care and social security safety net. hoodoo hispanic voters trust -- who do hispanic voters trust? articulate young dream act kids. this will come -- particularly down to the young dream at kids. they will continue to lead us forward and not drag us back toward to policies that crashed our economy. if you work hard and play by the world that everyone has a chance if succeed. >> let me ask about the other names on the ballot. the members of congress. polls are democrat think that the democrats will gain i

mitt romney is mixing up a whole bunch of ideas. the 47% who do not pay income tax which is a result of reagan, bush, and it bush jr. tax policies. half the population has no stake in income tax rate. it is a huge issue but not the way you want to talk about it. there is this culture of dependency which the obama administration is increasing in changing the welfare to work requirements. that is an issue. this way, he has an argument but he has to work his way out of a paper bag first. >> a couple of polls this wee nbc wall street journal poll. obama does not do well with foreign policy. what do these numbers tell you? >> there is a 19% one where obama will help the middle class more than mitt romney. that is a huge gap exacerbated by the 47%. mitt romney can get the conversation back to the economy and maybe can be more specific. but what he has to do is have a personality transplant said the middle class can identify with him. >> here is a number that would scare me. 43% now agree that each would do equally well on the economy. >>

>> mitt romney. >> i'm sticking with barack obama. >> reporter: surprise. >> mitt romney. he comes away with this. he's going to tie the race back up. 30-day race coming at it. it's going to be close. >> reporter: matt, donna, nicole, thank you for joining us. that's the "nightline" report card. just ahead, while president obama failed to make any mention of mitt romney's 47% comment tonight, that doesn't mean this debate wasn't a numbers game. we're going to unravel this campaign's war of the percentages. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours? with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles. for up to 16 hours of relief, try thermacare. to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles. number of students that wea lot of problehave.th the... resources. materials. things that the children need... on a day-to-day basis. anncr: question seven will help. the department of legislative services says question seven... will mean hundreds of millions of

(laughter) and, folks, great points by romney but it's not just what romney said it's the way he didn't say it. >> the president had a very intent look on his face. i wouldn't describe it as a mean look, i would describe it as a man looking for opportunities to strike. >> governor romney, it seemed to me, had this kind of benign default expression in which he appears to be interested most of the time, he has a slight smile on his face but not a smug one. i wonder if hi his was not the more attractive default expression. (laughter) >> stephen: yes! romney's face totally kicked obama's face's ass. (laughter) jimmy, put up romney's default expression. see? see? that's nice. that reminds me of a benevolent angel watching me shower. (laughter) hi! (laughter) that guy can watch me all day. and, of course, of course, of course mitt was smiling! because he knows he nailed it. >> governor romney did do what he needed to do which was to present himself as a very plausible commander-in-chief. >> mitt romney had a job tonight and that was to come across as a plausible commander-in-chief. >> romney

now governor romney, governor romney is probably counted his record in the private sector but would a businessman president be good for america. we hit the convention floor to find out. >> we've heard a lot this week about mitt romney's number one qualification for president. >> mitt romney turned businesses around in the private sector. he's made a success of failing companies. america needs a turn around and the man for the job is governor mitt romney. >> and why is that? >> i think government needs to run more like a business. >> these aren't easy conversations to have but if it's not working you have to end it, it's got to go. >> if a-- is failing, they don't reward it, they shut [bleep] down. >> exactly. >> always letting the market decide is the best thing to do. >> what is the where are you from. >> mississippi, whoa, whoa, dead last in per-capita income. you were costing the federal government $20 billion. that is, you know what, i think we're going to have to let the market decide. >> and if that's the case, we need to take a hard look at which divisions of america are succee

are any of you aware of any corrective ads the romney campaign -- the romney campaign was not even when cnn pressed them for examples. they have not corrected anything -- romney seems to have stated that they have made some incorrect claims. i think that the likelihood is that we will hear some twisted or false claims coming out because this is not unique to this particular campaign. this has been going on for a long time. we have pretty strong evidence that the greeks holding forth in the agora in athens, 2500 years ago, were pulling the wool over the eyes of voters even back then. at least with obama, as of we have heard, he is somewhat more circumspect when speaking in person about his new ones and some of the things you hear coming out of his ads. in one case, he corrected or contradicted his own advertising. to make my predictions, i sort of threw darts at the claims they make in their stump speeches, romney and obama. we recently did takeouts on the standard speeches that they give. one from each side. i predicted it is quite likely that we will hear mitt romney say that gasoline

but mitt romney doesn't see it. under the romney plan, a middle class family will pay an arage of up to $2,000 more a year in taxes. while at the same time giving multi-millionaires like himself a $250,000 tax cut so, romney hits the middle class harder... and gives millionaires an even bigger break. is that the way forward for america? i'm barack obama and i approve this message. [ romney ]his president can ask us to be patient. this president can tell us it was someone else's fault. but this president cannot tell us that you're better off today than when he took office. [ female announcer ] here in virginia, we're not better off undnder president obama. his defense cuts threaten over one hundred thirty thousand jobs lowering home values, putting families at risk. the romney plan? tax cuts for middle class families. north american energy independence. create over three hundred forty thousand new jobs for virginia. [ romney ] i'm mitt romney and i approved this message. >> we continue with a story coming together to

personally for mitt romney one who is mitt romney? the american public voting public wants to know are you human? do you actually have red blood running through your veins and we learned that about him this week. but i also think the other thing he was slightly successful in doing not perfect but slightly successful was trying to do something about the damage that has been done to the republican brand over the last year. so we saw women speaking over and over and over again. we saw condaleezza rice not just as a woman but as an african-american, we got the story from the republican party this week that this is a country that believes in freedom and individual liberty and anybody can succeed. we saw marco rubio, governor martinez of the i don't know if it will work but the republican brand has been very significantly damaged over the last year. >> suburban women and political independence. that is what he was focusing on, especially in view of obama's television ads. trying to depict him that way. he had a challenge with women. >> he h

governor romney had a very good night. the best thing he did was come across as more accessible, likable, approachable and human. and the other thing that i thought was the best, is that he gave his answers in a very distinct way. whether or not they were all truthful is another matter. >> one of the things that people said is that for the first time, mitt romney offered answers, concrete steps, and in a way that people could access. what about the content? >> well, i wouldn't say it's the first time. >> we all understand the trajectory of presidential campaigns. once you get out of the primaries, this is the most abrupt and kbere pivot we have seen in recent memory, and for a lot of obama followers, it's difficult to see him tired or disconnected in the face of theá manipulation, facts, and truth -- >> come on, this is the leader of the free world. the pivot is very, very hard. it's the way he adjusted himself politically to appeal to the center. i think the bar is very, very low for authenticity. >> you think he was tak

romney's a opposite. he wants to do everything he can to make the super wealthy even wealthier, the poor even poorer and justifies it all with a thinthi thinly veiled social darwinis measurin. >> i think he can get himself into trouble with not just the house, but saying things for example, going to nevada and saying that you know, they should slow down the foreclosure process. that the market should be allowed to work because then the real estate developers would come in and get things going again, which works out well if you're a real estate developer and not the person who lost your home.ç on the backdrop of the labor stuff, romney embraced that. it was overturned by a referendum by a 2-1 margin. i think that could come back to haunt him as well. there was a pretty stark way of putting it, but i think that the, there's some merit behind. >> eugene, final thought. we've never had a debate like this play out against a backdrop of income ddisparity. >> i think it's the income disparity and just a genera

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and didn't really want to gauge but romney was engaging them all night and i think that was romney's strength or one of the strengths from a perception standpoint in this debate you know viewers would definitely have picked up on i think ok i'm going to pass comment about you know i was going to say david i think for the first time romney got what he wanted he looked presidential for the first time. yeah yeah i think he did he's looked out of touch before he seemed to be connecting he was connecting punches and he was connecting with the american people who after all are a very aspirational race you know they want to be mitt romney they don't necessarily want to be barack obama what barack obama succeeded in doing in the last election was persuading them that george w. bush had made a terrible mess of running the country but he's not yet proved that. that romney would make a terrible mess there and he has got this track record of commercial success which is a is a weakness in a bomber's argument he can't say that this guy has has failed in his own by his own estimation you know now i

liberals excoriated jim lehrer in the first debate because mitt romney 1. -- mitt romney won. service is not candy crowley because barack obama 1. -- conservatives knocked candy crowley because of barack obama won. martha raddatz escape unscathed mostly. i learned a lot from the first debate. i learned what mitt romney believed, that he was willing to tailor positions for the general electric, that barack obama did not show up and was not engaged. the reason i did was because similar give them the time to do it. -- jim lehrer gave them the time to do it. i think candy crowley did a good job, i think martha rdatz did a good job. i don't know the formula for a good debate. >> it seems that there are two choices here. you can have a moderator who holds their feet to the fire a bit and ask serious questions and is not let them michael around, and martha raddatz was the best example of that. if you are not going to do that, just let them talk to each other and have a bus to go up for time. >> what about the town hall format? >> no, i think i.t. is completely phony. have an impossib

and didn't really want to gauge but romney was engaging them all night and i think that was romney's strength or one of the strengths from a perception standpoint in this debate you know viewers would definitely have picked up on i think ok i'm going to. comment about you know i was going to say david i think for the first time romney got what he wanted he looked presidential for the first time. yeah yeah i think he did he's looked out of touch before he seemed to be connecting he was connecting punches and he was connecting with the american people who after all are a very aspirational race you know they want to be mitt romney they don't necessarily want to be barack obama what barack obama succeeded in doing in the last election was persuading them that george w. bush had made a terrible mess of running the country but he's not yet proved that. but romney would make a terrible mess of it and he has got this track record of commercial success which is a is a weakness in about his argument he can't say that this guy has has failed in his own by his own estimation you know now i think

romney men don't go to war. mitt romney's father didn't, mitt romney didn't, and his sons didn't. in august of 2007 in a defensive response as to why his sons did not serve in the military in the iraq war, mitt romney said one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected. he actually said that. romney men support war. they support wars that other people have to fight. mitt romney's father was in favor of the vietnam war before he was against it, after having claimed famously to have been brainwashed by generals on vietnam. mitt romney has never come close to telling the truth about his relationship to the vietnam war. this is the lie that mitt romney told the last time he was running for president in 2007. i really don't recall thinking about the political positions when i was knocking at the door in france. there were anti-vietnam war protests in france while mitt romney was there. the french fought the vietnam war before we did. we took over from the french. the vietnam war was covered by the french news media every single day that mitt romney

gwen: and the president accusing romney of robbing the poor. >> it's romney hood. they have tried to sell us this trickle down tax cut fairy dust before and guess what, it does not work. gwen: the biggest open question is who will run with romney? the short list shrinks. covering the week, john harwood of cnbc and the "new york times." beth reinhard of "national journal," and jeff zeleny of "the new york times." >> award-winning reporting and analysis. covering history as it happens. live from our nation's capital, this is "washington week with l en ifill and natio journal". corporate funding for washington west virginia is provided by -- >> this rock has never stood still. since 1875 we've been there for our clients through good times and bad. when their needs changed we were there to meet them. through the years from insurance to investment 34g9, from real estate to requirement solutions, we've developed new ideas for the financial challenges ahead. this rock has never stood still and that's one thing that will never change. prudential. >> a line is a powerful th

and didn't really want to gauge but romney was engaging them all night and i think that was romney's strength or one of the strengths from a perception standpoint in this debate you know viewers would definitely have picked up on i think ok i'm going to ask comments about you know i was going to say david i think for the first time romney got what he wanted he looked presidential for the first time. yeah yeah i think he did he's looked out of touch before he seemed to be connecting he was connecting punches and he was connecting with the american people who after all are very aspirational race you know they want to be mitt romney they don't necessarily want to be barack obama what barack obama succeeded in doing in the last election was persuading them that george w. bush had made a terrible mess of running the country but he's not yet proved that. romney would make a terrible mess there and he has got this track record of commercial success which is a is a weakness in a bomber's argument he can't say that this guy has has failed in his own by his own estimation you know now i think