wyden has been saying for years the american people be horrified at the n.s.a. knew what they were doing but he took his oath more seriously i guess or wasn't willing to expose costs to show violations like edward snowden was and your we have thirty seconds what do you make of the new york times calling for both snowden and chelsea manning's kind of pardons well i don't think the new york times has gone as far as to call for a pardon for kelsey manning which is kind of sad seeing as how even as recently as last month mainstream established media have been citing diplomatic cables and and war logs released by private manning those information are still newsworthy and still use on a regular basis and if you're going to ask for clemency for snowden i don't see why you should also ask for manning all right archie web producer andrew blake and political commentator sam sachs thanks for working as. well new york stop and frisk program had a number of road blocks this past year part of the high profile trial over the legality of the practice and then with allegations o

wyden asked collecting cell site location data. we're not currently doing that but you might want to see the classified ad for another search to that question but this is a pretty simple question yes they are spying because senator sanders goes on letter to say by spying i mean are you collecting metadata on personal phone calls yes they're spying on everybody they're collecting all everyone's metadata in the united states pretty much so that's a pretty easy way the cloud. can respond to that now service in new york times in the guardian published calling for clemency for edward snowden yesterday have elected officials in the u.s. followed suit has anyone shown any support for it there's been a few members you've tweeted out some support congressman alan grayson has congressman jim mcgovern congressman peter welch. really rather really going to come out full thought the throat for clemency a lot of other members of congress want to see some really serious charges dropped everything like that well to really sort of did what they cou

wyden asked collecting cell site location data. we're not currently doing that but you might want to see the classified addendum for another search to that question but this is a pretty simple question yes they are spying because senator sanders goes on letter to say by spying i mean are you collecting metadata on personal phone calls yes they're spying on everybody they're collecting all everyone's metadata in the united states pretty much so that's a pretty easy way the cloud. respond to that now that it's the new york times and the guardian published calling for clemency for edward snowden yesterday have elected officials in the u.s. followed suit has anyone shown any support for it there's been a few members you've tweeted out some support congressman alan grayson has congressman jim mcgovern congressman peter welch. really. really going to come out full thought throat for clemency a lot of other members of congress want to see some really serious charges dropped everything like that well to really sort of did what they couldn'

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list and people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out in the post that i put up the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental c

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on unless people who ended up on the list were people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i have pointed out of the post but i put up the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental co

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today and the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on less people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out of the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental c

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list and people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a leading interest in political organizing and so now what i have pointed out of the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the inciden

wyden seems to think so and given he just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about minute what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on less people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a leading interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out in the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justified like this incidental that we don't have a targeted

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was printed gather the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list and people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a leading interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out in the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incide

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on unless people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out in the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental coll

wyden rush holt well earlier i spoke with matthew cordle a group legal fellow at the bill of rights defense committee and i first asked him if he agreed with the statement made by tech companies that this speech was a step in the right direction yes but it's and go far enough you know i do there was a lot left out of the speech the president made although he did acknowledge a couple of really important points that i think many civil liberties activists like myself really care about specifically connecting the legacy of. systemic oppressive abuse of surveillance programs to current data collection institutions that is a good that is a good thing to at least to acknowledge so what major reform would you have liked to have seen announced in this n.s.a. speech well i mean in a dream world what i really like to see is the patriot act or evaluated reevaluated you know. all of the reforms that the president offered in the speech sort of still occurred under the rubric of the patriot act which in my opinion and i think in the opinion of many states. adequately prioritized public safety weig

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today and the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on less people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out of the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental collec

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compared the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today. it was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list of people who ended up on the list where people who were just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i have pointed out in the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today and the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on unless people who ended up on the list where people who. were just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i have pointed out of the post that i put up the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the inciden

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list and people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a leading interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out of the post that i put up the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidenta

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on less and people who ended up on the list were people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a leading interest in political organizing and so now what i have pointed out of the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental

wyden has seen the memos which were used to justify the killing of anwar all locking in two thousand and eleven and in a letter last year to attorney general eric holder why didn't said that the decision to use lethal force against andorra locky was a legitimate use of authority granted to the president but still why didn't believe the memo should be made public and these executive powers should be put under more scrutiny by congress another form of opposition comes from senator rand paul who following senator reid's decision to schedule a vote on baron released this scathing statement i've read david barron's memos concerning the legal justification for killing an american citizen overseas without a trial or legal representation and i am not satisfied there is no valid legal precedent to justify the killing of the american citizen not engaged in combat therefore i shall not only oppose the nomination of david baron but will filibuster the american civil liberties union has called for a delay to parents confirmation vote as well but majority leader reid scheduling a vote for baron is

wyden warned the n.s.a. was doing how they were spying on americans by going into these databases that had inadvertently collected americans communications into that it also included a bunch of new reporting requirements to require the government transparency of these programs to reveal how many people are caught up in their sort of surveillance machine here and it garnered the support of edward snowden just a week and a half ago we accepted the right now our prize here in washington d.c. via video link and said we need to support the usa freedom act so what happened is the judiciary committee says all right we're going to take action on the freedom freedom act were to pass out of committee but what happens on the committee is that they don't have enough votes to pass it as is so they completely reworked the bill they got it they replace it with a new language they stripped out that prohibition on backdoor search lou. polls they take out a bunch of the reporting requirements and they add some vague language

wyden and i think who is a big critic of the n.s.a. program who really could have gone forward have you chosen to take initiative and read into the congressional record and let's get this stuff on the records of the president talk about it he chose not to go that route so. well organised organise a blue state. always i mean he it could have been political suicide for him to do that too particularly if the cia came back at him with everything they had. sure i mean cia doesn't get the political campaigns but their contractors do now see that's the thing concerns me is that we have now and not only politicized intelligence agencies but we've also monetize them in in ways that you know have the whole perverse incentive of for example for for profit prisons out there lobbying for longer sentences for having a joint and you know just because they want to have customers longer and make more money it's james ray apropos of this james rise of the new york times a reporter. is fighting a court order requiring him to testify in the leak of want t

wyden since you're the most outspoken although i'm sure that there are some republicans the. paul commission you know all of us do until we get a make a bipartisan reading on more of that it's big picture on the right of the earth. science technology innovation all the lives developments from around russia we. covered. and. i would rather ask questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question lol. wealthy british style. is no time to. market why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike stronger or a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to conjure reports . welcome back with me for tonight's big picture robin robin carter martin ben cohen and here in new so let's get back to it today is the twentieth anniversary of the passage of the brady gun control bill during the reagan administration that bill named after former white house press secretary james brady ronald reagan's processor terry who was paralyzed during an

wyden is quote he sits on the intelligence committee he came to the defense of chairwoman feinstein when he basically said this and i think we have the quote of what he said about general hayden general hayden unfortunately has a long history of misleading the american public he did it on domestic surveillance when he was a head of the n.s.a. and he did it on torture when he was the cia director those are words coming from someone on the committee who knows what's in this torture report which suggests to me that michael hayden's name is likely mentioned in this torture report and michael ames trying to jump in front of this report and discredit the people who wrote it to protect himself of of course and hayden isn't the only one who is going out there and preemptively trying to attack the report and say no no everyone calm down this is amazing jose rodriguez jr the former head of the cia as national clandestine service i don't know what that is but he was the head of it for some reason and was given a room in the washington post totally on ethically to make a preemptive strike again

wyden is quote he sits on the intelligence committee he came to the defense of chairwoman feinstein when he basically said this and i think we have the quote of what he said about general hayden general hayden unfortunately has a long history of misleading the american public he did it on domestic surveillance when he was a head of the n.s.a. and he did it on torture when he was the cia director those are words coming from someone on the committee who knows what's in this torture report which suggests to me that michael hayden's name is likely mentioned in this torture report and michael hayden is trying to jump in front of this report and discredit the people who wrote it to protect himself of on a horse and hayden isn't the only one who is going out there and preemptively trying to attack the report and say no no everyone calm down this is amazing jose rodriguez jr the former head of the cia's national clandestine service i don't know what that is but he was the head of it for some reason and was given a room in the washington post totally on ethically to make a preemptive strike

wyden is quote he sits on the intelligence committee he came to the defense of chairwoman feinstein when he basically said this and i think we have the quote of what he said about general hayden general hayden unfortunately has a long history of misleading the american public he did it on domestic surveillance when he was a head of the n.s.a. and he did it on torture when he was the cia director those are words coming from someone on the committee who knows what's in this torture report which suggests to me that michael hayden's name is likely mentioned in this torture report and michael hayden is trying to jump in front of this report and discredit the people who wrote it to protect himself of on a horse and hayden isn't the only one who is going out there and preemptively trying to attack the report and say no no everyone calm down this is amazing jose rodriguez jr the former head of the cia as national clandestine service i don't know what that is but he was the head of it for some reason and was given a room in the washington post totally on ethically to make a preemptive strike

wyden to rand paul who even grassley who said wait we can't vote on this guy unless we see these memos. then the administration relented and said ok you could go deep into the bowels of the chamber of the senate and take a quick look at these memos but we're not going make them public will people like graham paul said wait a minute they really have to be made public because we can't talk about what we've read and if we can't talk about what we've read we really can't talk about why we're for or against this nominee and so the memo should be made public before the vote happens well there were enough senators who were willing and not enough democrats to say let's hold off on this nomination and there were enough democrats who said you know it doesn't really even matter if we read these memoirs and it's about a guy who said yes it's ok to kill americans becoming a lifetime judge in a court that's just one below the supreme court and the potential candidates record any candidate and not enough democrats stood up and so there was this vote fifty three in our all that was needed for confirma

wyden to rand paul who even grassley who said wait we can't vote on this guy unless we see these memos. then the administration relented and said ok you could go deep into the bowels of the chamber of the senate and take a quick look at these memos but we're not going make them public will people like graham paul said wait a minute they really have to be made public because we can't talk about what we've read and if we can't talk about what we've read we really can't talk about why we're for or against this nominee and so the member should be made public before the vote happens well there were a nothe senators who were willing and not enough democrats to say let's hold off on this nomination and there were enough democrats who said you know it doesn't really even matter if we read these memoirs and it's about a guy who said yes it's ok to kill americans becoming a lifetime judge in a court that's just one below the supreme court and a potential candidate supreme court and a candidate and not enough democrats stood up and so there was this vote fifty three now or all that was needed for

wyden i think who is a big critic of the n.s.a. program who really could have gone forward have you chosen to take initiative and read into the congressional record and let's get this stuff on the record of the president talk about it he chose not to go that route so. well organised organise a blue state. always i mean he it could have been political suicide for him to do that too particularly if the cia came back at him with everything they have. sure i mean the cia doesn't give to political campaigns but their contractors do now see that's the thing concerns me is that we have now and not only politicized intelligence agencies but we've also monetize them in in ways that you know have the whole perverse incentive of for example for for profit prisons out there lobbying for longer sentences for having a joint and you know just because they want to have customers longer and make more money it's just james ray apropos of this james rise of the new york times a reporter. is fighting a court order requiring him to testify in the leak