it does not stop the tape ron wyden knew the truth so he could have blown this whole thing wide open he could have called clapper a liar liar liar liar he could have said right then that the n.s.a. is collecting data on millions of americans that they're creating massive databases containing all of our phone logs and they're siphoning off our internet communications and he could have submitted documents he obtained on the senate intelligence committee to the public congressional record he could have won the sam adams award given the alternate christmas message and been times person of the year the runner up he could have gotten to be best is with going greenwald all of it well never having to worry about spending the rest of his life in prison and edward snowden who says he was motivated to do what he did after he saw a copper line could have just stated his day job in hawaii making bank and leveling up. senator ron wyden later told rolling stone a lot of people have just said to me well you feel so strongly about these issues we knew this why didn't you just go to the floor of the u

it does not stop the tape ron wyden knew the truth so he could have blown this whole thing wide open he could have called clapper a liar liar liar liar he could have said right then that the n.s.a. is collecting data on millions of americans that they're creating massive databases containing all of our phone logs and they're siphoning off our internet communications he could have submitted documents he obtained on the senate intelligence committee to the public congressional record he could have won the sam adams award given the alternate christmas presage and been times person of the year the runner up he could have gotten to be best is with going green will all of it well never having to worry about spending the rest of his life in prison and edward snowden who says he was motivated to do what he did after he saw a copper line could have just stated his day job in hawaii making bank and leveling . senator ron wyden later told rolling stone a lot of people have just said to me well you kill so strongly about these issues we knew this why didn't you just go to the floor of the united

so ron wyden knows this and is trying to question james clapper. james clapper clearly lies because he knows also they're collecting the phone records. fast forward to hong kong, the first story that glenn reveals, which is the verizon order which court,a court, secret chrom ofhers the records americans. the government is clearly lying in congress. think,the things that i hopefully, think people think about when watching this film, here's a case where ron wyden himself knew this was happening and he was against it, yet he didn't come forward. and a whistleblower then is the one who comes forward to say the public has a right to know about this. ron wyden and udall, on one hand, i think they're trying to push the intelligence agencies to be more transparent, on the other hand, they have a lot of protection. they could say much more. they have immunity. they could come forward and tell the population if they think the people should know what the government is doing, they are actually empowered to do so. what kind ofras, message do you think your film

ladies and gentlemen, i want to welcome my friend, the chairman of one or -- ron wyden. [applause] >> what an inflationary introduction. and chip, thank you. without making this a brocade tossing contest, let me tell you what you already know. you are so lucky to have chipcom who has enormous credibility. there was a reason that i called him back when i was a young congressman and had a full head a fair and rugged good looks. he is a straight shooter, and we are lucky to have him. thank you for that kind introduction. let me start by saying at think it would be cruel and unusual punishment to give you a big filibuster. a lot of you had to brave the elements. i thought what i would do is offer a few thousand particularly well chosen words. my staff wrote this wonderful speech. i can put it in the congressional record and mail it to you, but to give you a little bit of a sense of where i think that we are on health policy and then throw it open to questions. suffice it to say, most of health policy really is not health policy and all. it is essentially budget policy. and s

i want to welcome my friend, senator chairman ron wyden. [applause] >> what an inflationary introduction. a bouquetking this tossing contest, let me tell me what you know. you are so lucky to have chip. there is a reason that i called him back when i was a young congressman and i had a full head of hair and rugged good looks. he is a straight shooter. we are lucky to have him. thank you for that kind introduction. i think it would be cruel and unusual punishment to give you a big filibuster. 11 you had to rave the elements. -- a lot of you had to brave the elements. i thought i would offer a few thousand particularly well-chosen words. my staff wrote be speech. i can mail it to you. to give you a little bit of a sense of where i think where we are on health policy. suffice it to say most of health policy really is not health policy at all. it is essentially budget policy. ducks on the big put something that washington might be called a patch. maybe it is an extension. maybe it is called a stopgap. the big issue. it repeatedly ducks of the b

ron wyden, a senator, taking over the senate financial committee, a very important committee, and he's also been rabble-rouse i rabble-rousi rabble-rousing. and will be a thorn in obama's side if he doesn't endorse some of those reforms. >> as the new year begins, we all try to look ahead to see who is coming up. it's not just hollywood thing, but a washington thing. but there are names of people like ron wyden, who have been in the political sphere for years and years and years, who is going to have a big role, and might be a thorn in the president's side. >> and he has been in the past when they were trying to pass health care reform. he was one of the few democrat holdouts at the end. there are always they people in the senate that just come along. like rand paul, ted cruz were sort of the breakout voices, you know, i think like cory booker, we'll start to hear more about him, and some people you can't quite predict yet. >> monica, i just want to go back to kirsten gillibrand. as we were talking, i couldn't help thinking but -- that assumes that hillary clinton would either run and

or ron wyden? >> ron wyden is going to win. he's got an interesting competitor, monica weeby, a pediatric neurologist. she looked very powerful coming out of the gate. she's had some difficulties. >> how about franken? he works hard at his job. >> that gal in iowa said she used to castrate hogs and she's perfectly positioned to come to washington and deal with the pork barrels. she could win in iowa. she could win. >> it's a competitive race in iowa. it's a competitive race -- we have a lot of competitive races here. >> can we talk about the house for a minute? the house is dominantly republican, inconceivable it could go democratic. >> no one thinks it's going to go democratic. >> but will it lose its largest majority when 63 democrats -- let's see, the gop largest majority in 2010 with 63 democrats lost the house seats. this is because most of the vulnerable democrats and competitors have already been booted from office. >> most of the seats that are republican, the republicans already have. the upside potential for republica

one of the things that is interesting to me, the contrast between what happened with senator ron wyden and edward snowden. ron wyden was a member of the senate intelligence committee for several years before edward snowden started leaking. he took to the floor the senate as said, there's something shocking going on that if the american people knew about it, that would be totally shocked, but i cannot tell you about it because it is less of five. he is a sitting senator who believed something was deeply wrong but he was afraid to talk about. -- because it is classified. after edward snowden began to leak the into ron wyden oh public and say that is what i was talking all-powerful -- talking about. the checks and balances in my mind are questionable. >> back to your book where you talk about contractors. who is mike esemos? >> he was a fascinating character. the guy, maybe the most intriguing figure of the whole post-9/11 world. i'm still not entirely sure what to make of him today. >> where does he live? >> i am not sure. >> have you talked about -- have you talk to him? >> not recently

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after edward snowden began to leak, ron wyden in public and say that is what i was talking about. the checks and balances in my mind are questionable. >> back to your book where you talk about contractors. who is mike esemos? >> he was a fascinating character. the guy, maybe the most intriguing figure of the whole post-9/11 world. i'm still not entirely sure what to make of him today. >> where does he live? >> i am not sure. >> have you talked to him? >> not recently since the book came out. he was hired by a law firm, motley rice. charleston, south carolina. >> who is motley? >> ron motley was a lawyer in charleston, who had won one of the biggest legal settlements in the united states. he was one of the lead lawyers in the tobacco industry settlement with all of the states in which the tobacco industry had to pay like $240 billion to a lot of different states. he got, he and his partners, got large fees from that, billions of dollars. the movie "the insider" was based partly on his life. the tobacco settlement, after a huge victory, wondering what he should do next. 9/11 happene

after edward snowden began to leak, ron wyden in public and say that is what i was talking about. the checks and balances in my mind are questionable. >> back to your book where you talk about contractors. who is mike esemos? >> he was a fascinating character. the guy, maybe the most intriguing figure of the whole post-9/11 world. i'm still not entirely sure what to make of him today. >> where does he live? >> i am not sure. >> have you talked about -- have you talked to him? >> not recently since the book came out. he was hired by a law firm, motley rice. charleston, south carolina. >> who is motley? >> a lawyer in charleston, who had won one of the biggest legal settlements in the united states. he was one of the lead lawyers in the tobacco industry settlement with all of the states in which the tobacco industry had to pay like $240 billion to a lot of different states. he got, he and his partners, got large fees from that, billions of dollars. the movie "the insider" was based partly on his life. the tobacco settlement, after a huge victory, wondering what he should do next. 9/

and in the greatest attractor is senator ron wyden of oregon, who was also on the intelligence committee. jule brenner, a former nsa inspector general and highly respected commentator and analyst. jamil jaffer is a leading aclu lawyer. these people are all very impressive. they disagree fundamentally about many things but it is hard not to respect each of them when you listen to them. what they say the nsa and its practices are still needed? they think a lot of the practices are unconstitutional or dangerous or bad for our privacy or not helpful to national security. jule brenner and senator feinstein would disagree on all of those points. host: as far as your conversation with them -- when you take a look at specific programs what did you talk about and what are the concerns he -- what are the concerns? leaked aowden has hundred programs at least. the ones that generated the most controversy is the metadata program, where the nsa has been secretly collecting the phone records of basically all americans all the time. it turns out not quite all. they are missing the cell phone records. th

coming up, the future of the nsa with senator ron wyden. he's been one of the agency's toughest critics and making his first sunday show appearance in several years. all the weeks politics with our roundtable. how much are the democrats in danger of losing the senate come november? plus a debate over the future of the single biggest issue >>> and we are back. it's a big deadline week. the president's health care law led to last year's government shutdown. the house has voted to repeal all or part of the president's plan more than 50 times. yet, another new poll from the associated press shows support for the law at its lowest level since passage four years ago. health care is the most device ibish in politics today. what does success look like for the obama administration? here's what they said in september. >> i think success looks like at least 7 million people having signed up by the end of march, 2014. >> that was september of last year. days before the infamous health care website crash. this week the administration decided to hail the

senator ron wyden. thank you so much and congratulations. you are an advocate of tax reform. but there is no way you can do a comprehensive reform this year. >> the challenge will be a two step drill. we had about 50 of what are called tax extenders. these are measures like research and development and energy that expired. my hope is we can get them reenacted promptly. so we do not sacrifice important investments. and then use them as a bridge toward comprehensive reform. >> you mention the rnd and renewable issue. are there other extenders that should be killed? >> my first choice would be to go to comprehensive tax reform rather than have to proceed with the extenders. the reality is, when the house leadership last november declared that obamacare was their primary issue, that changed the timetable. i'm not going to sacrifice critical issues like research and development on the altar of some actions. >> can you do that this year? >> it would be a big lift. a comprehensive reform package this year. but we can make headway. >> and can you do pieces of it? >> my view is the ta

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senator ron wyden, president obama giving a speech on this next week. we hope you'll come back and talk to us next week. >> count on it. >> sounds good, senator. >>> all right. when we come back, if you're young and healthy, watch out. the flu is spreading and it's the part of the population that is not terribly affected that is getting the worst of it. >>> plus, surrounded by the enemy, only one manmade it out alive. the true story behind the latest hollywood blockbuster "lone survivor." welcome back. how is everything? there's nothing like being your own boss! and my customers are really liking your flat rate shipping. fedex one rate. really makes my life easier. maybe a promotion is in order. good news. i got a new title. and a raise? management couldn't make that happen. [ male announcer ] introducing fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex. [ male announcer ] introducing fedex one rate. but with less energy, moodiness, and a low sex drive, i had to do something. i saw my doctor. a blood test showed it was low testos

ron wyden cafta. what's next, ron? shafta? i understand people have different views on this. in the '80s, bill clinton and i were not talking about digital goods. this is an era where it's advanced america. the republican senator and i have introduced a bill to that advantage. there are a whole host of new kinds of issues. to me one of the priorities in building a new bipartisan coalition, so it's not just all the republicans and a handful of democratic free traders, but you're going to have to take steps, for example, that are significantly bolder in terms of enforcing the trade laws. the first thing that a middle class person says, and of course trade is now co nn fconflated. one of the things they'll say is why aren't you enforcing the new laws with the stuff that are on the books today? transparency, labor and environmental protection, i think there is an opportunity to build a new bipartisan coalition. somebody the other day was talking about fast track. i said, well, maybe we'll call it smart tr

i'm joined by senator ron wyden, democrat from oregon, member of the senate intelligence committee and somebody who frankly was pushing yourleader, senator dianne feinstein, to get this report done and be made public. senator wyden, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. >> first let me get your reaction to vice president cheney who obviously has not a lot of respect for this report. >> well, first of all, with respect to waterboarding and the vice president is obviously comfortable with it, i consider it to be torture. and just to correct the record when the japanese were prosecuted for using against our guys in world war ii, it was at the tokyo trials. i think it's important to set the record straight. >> well, let me ask you, though, he says this thing is partisan. that has been some of the criticism even from folks who agree with some of the conclusions who say you know what, though? you have no real chance to see reform at the cia because the cia can now easily dismiss this as a partisan report. >> facts aren't part ran, chuck. we reviewed 6 million pages of documents. th

ron wyden called the increase a symptom of a broken tax system. >> the u.s. tax code is infected with the chronic diseases of loopholes and inefficiency. these infections are hobbling america's drive to create more good wage, red white and blue jobs here at home. they are a significant drag on our economy, and are harming u.s. competitiveness. >> republicans like or not hatch say they're also frustrated but the issue needs to be dealt with as a matter of u.s. competitiveness. >> as we consider reforms to our tax code, our primary goals should be to make the u.s. a better place to do business. i'm greatly concerned about these corporate inversions. the best way to solve this problem would be to reform our corporate and international tax system in a manner that would make our multinational has competitive against the foreign counterparts. and that would mean among other things a significant reduction in the corporate tax rate. and making our tax system more competitive. >> but with little hope on of congressional action, the treasury ep department is looking in

but we begin with a member of the senate intelligence committee, senator ron wyden of oregon. senator, welcome to the program. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: why is it you want this report released? >> usedy, the c.i.a. leadership maintained for years that torturing prisoners was essential to obtaining information, that we weren't able to get the information we needed to protect our country without torture. what this report shows is that a number of the claims that the c.i.a. leadership made about the value of enhanced interrogation simply was untrue and a, regrettably, it looks like the culture of misinformation at the c.i.a. leadership is still going strong. >> woodruff: isn't the reluctance to release it, doesn't that have to do with making public the identity of agents, methods, operations that the c.i.a. and others believe needs to be secret? >> judy, i don't take a back seat to anybody in terms of protecting our agents who are undercover. in fact, a number of years ago, i wrote legislation with senator bond on a bipartisan basis to increase the penalties for outing one

i'm joined by senator ron wyden, democrat from oregon, member of the senate intelligence committee and somebody who frankly was pushing your leader, senator dianne feinstein, to get this report done and be made public. senator wyden, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. >> first let me get your reaction to vice president cheney who obviously has not a lot of respect for this report. >> well, first of all, with respect to waterboarding and the vice president is obviously comfortable with it, i consider it to be torture. and just to correct the record when the japanese were prosecuted for using against our guys in world war ii, it was at the tokyo trials. i think it's important to set the record straight. >> well, let me ask you, though, he says this thing is partisan. that has been some of the criticism even from folks who agree with some of the conclusions who say you know what, though? you have no real chance to see reform at the cia because the cia can now easily dismiss this as a partisan report. >> facts aren't part ran, chuck. we reviewed 6 million pages of documents. t

. >> we know congressional hearings on the budget begin ron wyden. what do you expect to hear on that? >> talking about leaving room for more priorities. heen is new to the panel and has his own ideas on tax policy. forum, it is a for them -- for airing out ideas. you will not see the senate democrats doing their own budget plan because they feel the agreement already put the spending caps in place. meanwhile, house republicans will have their plan pitted against their blueprints and that is the opening salvo, shall we say. >> house republicans met and talked about alternatives to the health care law and there is a bill scheduled on the house floor on the individual mandates. what about that bill and current republican strategy? they've moved away from just trying to repeal it. same effect of the bill they passed last year and they are giving relief from the overhaul and causing them to delay for a year . last time this came up, almost two dozen democratic votes and it will be interesting to see if some of them go along with it. nancy pelosi said it

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on unless people who ended up on the list were people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i have pointed out of the post but i put up the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental co

if ron wyden were here, i would say he is a democrat who is an advocate of privacy. i would not that hillary clinton and that cap or a. areou and your father popular on the web. they are getting pushback from republican leaders, especially in the house. internetink this libertarianism is an overly vocal minority or is your party's leadership ignoring an important part of this country? >> i think there is a growing movement. if you look at the use, they voted 3-1 or president obama. if you look at the polling data spyingcause of the nsa and president obama has become an extension of the bush administration with less concern for civil liberties, there has not been as many people speaking out on this. through, there was almost a hatred for bush from people who believed in civil liberties and thought he had gone too far on the war. president obama has carried on all of those things. he did bring some troops home. as far as your right to privacy, he has gone up far beyond what bush has begun. i think there is a growing mood among young people looking for something differe

. >> this weekend on c-span, senator ron wyden on the challenges facing medicare and hospitals. saturday at 10 a.m.. on c-span three is american history tv, the grounds and architecture of george washington's mount vernon, sunday night at 8:00. >> we do not have a criminal investigation role. we have a vast, unfortunate role. we make sure wall street abides by the rules. sets the rules for wall street and broker dealers and advisers. we do not have criminal authority. we have the power to bring, with the approval of our commission, civil actions and negligence actions against those who violate the federal securities laws. we can't send anybody to jail, but we can assess civil penalties. our level of penalties is not as , we canwe would like it require those who commit wrongdoing to discord should their ill-gotten gains, and we have the power in an appropriate case to bar somebody from the securities industries so they can't live another day to defraud again. -- sec chairman mary joe white on sunday at 8:00 p.m.. to show you some of the speakers from day two of the event. we begi

we'll be back in one member with a key member of the senate intelligence, senator ron wyden. in fact, i think vice president dick cheney brought up a few questions that he would like to see senator wyden answer. he's been one of the most outspoken critics of the cia. he'll be here after the break. relations >> announcer: "meet the press" is brought to you by boeing. where the drive to do something better inspires us every day. is here, which means it's time for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen. like the sporty, advanced new jetta... and the 2015 motor trend car of the year all-new golf. if you're wishing for a new volkswagen this season... just about all you need is a finely tuned... pen. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on select new volkswagen models. [coughing] dave, i'm sorry to interrupt... i gotta take a sick day tomorrow. dads don't take sick days, dads take nyquil. the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list and people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out in the post that i put up the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental c

wyden seems to think so and given he just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about minute what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on less people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a leading interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out in the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justified like this incidental that we don't have a targeted

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today and the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on less people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out of the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental c

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today and the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on less people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out of the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental collec

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list and people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a leading interest in political organizing and so now what i have pointed out of the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the inciden

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compared the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today. it was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list of people who ended up on the list where people who were just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i have pointed out in the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak and you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was printed gather the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on a list and people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a leading interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out in the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incide

wyden seems to think so and kevin you just wrote an excellent breakdown in firedoglake analyzing this latest leak you compare the n.s.a. of today in the justification for this dragnet to minaret program church committee first talk about men or what minaret was and explain how it relates to what we're seeing go on today was oh basically minaret was a watch list that was put together the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies were concerned about foreign involvement and antiwar and civil rights movement so they were putting people's names on unless people who ended up on the list where people who. we're just just demonstrating a fleeting interest in being involved in activism or having a fleeting interest in political organizing and so now what i pointed out in the post that i put out the breakdown was basically that you had the n.s.a. making the same defense of that program back in the one nine hundred sixty s. or back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when the church committee was formed and it's very similar to today with them justifying it on the basis defending the incidental coll

senator ron wyden has long been trying to get the nra chief james copper to go on record about the nsa is use of what he considers this backdoor search loophole in federal law. kerry is at the hearing in january. i tried with written questions correct or clap or a year ago to get the answers and we were still all the madness committee can do oversight if we can get direct answer so when we'll get the american people the unclassified to answer to that question that relates directly to their privacy. as soon as we can though. of the center. santa arrives in a letter to white and david fox twenty eight african firms for the first time the nsa program that was meant to target foreigners also searched americans' communications. he said. i have macquarie's using u s person identifier of communications lawfully acquired to obtain foreign intelligence targeting non u s persons reasonably believed to be located outside the united states. he went on to say that they use minimization procedures to protect personal information and that the searches were consistent with the fourth amendment. senato

much to the anger of ron wyden, who says he is going to fight to get it back in. that was one thing that i think marcie mentioned. it deserves to be emphasized. there are a lot of things that were meant originally to be in this bill that are not there anymore. the way the aclu, which is tentatively supporting the bill, i think they might eventually withdraw their support. they refer to the bill as authorizing "bulky collection" instead of bulk collection. that should show you what it does. before snowden, they were doing ps" when they were collecting people's records. three degrees of separation from a target. this allows two hops and allows them to keep those records. two hops is potentially the records of hundreds of thousands of people. everywe are not getting single verizon customer anymore. you are still getting a lot of people. , by anycy saidm colloquial use of the term, that is "bulk." if legislators would prefer you not to refer to it that way. >> in the spirit of conversation, i would like to open for questions. we have time for just one or two. and spea

wyden and dad james laughter was the director of national intelligence to collapse does the interstate collecting any type of data at all. and millions or hundreds of millions of americans. no storm. he does not. not willingly else if enacted this anime and legislators have been calling up or actions some type of action against james for saying that they say they see blatantly lied to congress monday night is like err i actually shot back that said jensen york times for that saying that he blatantly lie to congress. they sent out in detail would have been irrational for mr class with flying disc earrings and every member of the committee was already aware of the program. as mr packer has explained he was surprised by the question and focus his mind on the collection of the content of americans' communications in that context his answer was and is accurate when we pointed out mr packer's mistake to him he was surprised and d that surprised in this class different narratives coming from the center widens office on one hand and from that office that the lawyer for the t and i on the other

wyden added to the american people will be profoundly disturbed about what will be revealed in this report were understandably there's been a lot of pressure on the white house to respond to the findings as well and that's exactly what president obama did at a recent press conference an extremely professional and serious manner. in the immediate aftermath of nine eleven. we did some things that were wrong. we did a whole lot of things that were right. but we tortured some folks. we tortured some folks really dude look i know how much you love to use the word folks to try to resonate with average americans but this isn't something to take lightly and torture is the last thing that should be casually minimized but while obama tries to shrug off the systematic use of torture as u.s. policy other than other government officials are still actually defending it like senator saxby chambliss said that the cia is enhanced interrogation tactics. valuable and disrupting terrorist plots and bringing now some of them a lot and unfortunately the flippin way politicians are responding to the findi