WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:05.030 align:start position:0% well sorry for the slightly late start everyone um but I think we will kick it off with public comment and I believe we have one person um for public comment that person online oh and Hector it Mercado to help Translate um so if you would like to start your public comment uh Nora Molina um Hector is on the line to translate for you um so start when you're ready um [Music] gracias thank you I'll start uh Buenas my name is good evening to all my name is Nora Molina is a I have a tenant and member of the team of tenants at Serrano estoy aqui Para desirlesque Los problemas Que I am here to tell them to tell you that the problems of the Serrano continue and also to ask you to una vez maslosita mosque information that we asked that Arlington Housing corporation uh be asked to celebrate or to do a new meeting and report on the issues that we have at hand problemas sobre we also asked that they tell us what they are going to do to solve the problems that we have Como Bank and also what is the county doing to supervise more closely Al senor Mark green Mark Bank on uh we have sent a letter uh uh to one of the members indicating all the challenges we have right now edos potatoes all right again okay muchas familias we have suffered uh separate water Services failures at least three on the last two months and this affected a lot of families and the bottled water provided was not enough during that time or during the emergencies no also elevators that do not work in my building no one was out of service for around the month and the other one also um and discuss uh several problems for elderly and handicapped and also Ninos and families with children includes include included okay Doris for tatiles there was also issues with the provision of heat especially with during the coldest date and even management indicated that they were providing a small Heating units but uh for me and some of my neighbors they in they told us that they weren't uh available management expect us to keep living in these conditions and keep paying the rent Del cervision and they expect they rent complete uh not giving any breaks or uh reductions for the issues they had at hand is Arlington we are asking for your help again so we can receive the same treatment or the same studies of living of other people in Arlington thank you for listening to me uh say something else please yes yeah see you guys foreign color some weekends she doesn't know why that's happening but it happened several times Uno elevator and she wants to read reiterate the issue with the elevator indicating that one of them was broken for a month they did not do any repairs while the other was working but the second one broke and was broken for a week so they were unable to use the elevators for at least a week and they had to use the stairs is and especially if you live on the eighth floor carrying your groceries up and down the stairs going to the laundry room or just accessing the unit it's a great burden is uh she also want to indicate that there is a lot of boxes or items stolen especially when the boxes are delivery and in management indicating they were putting cameras but they don't see any cameras and packages still disappearing um uh also uh what are we paying rent is not uh it's not a small amount and they should treat us better or uh provide more on on that that's what we ask of you said yeah that will be all thank you for listening to me good night well thank you very much uh Ms Molina for coming before us tonight um and providing uh that information about um the issues that you're facing at the Serrano um to update the rest of the commission on some recent events in the last day or so um the voice and some of the tenant Advocates had sent uh an email or a letter to myself in the chair of the tenant landlord commission yesterday um expressing concern about some ongoing issues at the Serrano very similar to what was described tonight um and asking for information from the county about implementation of the calf strategies um uh actions that the the county had released last I think April as well as the County's efforts to implement the recommendations in the Serrano report that the Housing Commission and the tenant landlord commission passed in September so I was able to talk with and Benicia the housing division director this morning as well as Matt D Ferrante and also Marjorie Green from voice and we sort of came to the conclusion that it would be helpful to have um kind of two meetings to address these topics um in the next couple months I'm trying to work around uh when Missy middle is going to come before us which it sounds like Alex is either going to be February or March um and considering that that will probably dominate the entire meeting um that we wanted to schedule around that and then plan Mason Boulevard uh should come before us probably in April um so uh in line with some of the suggestions that um Boyce and the Serrano Advocates had made um we're probably going to invite HC as well as the tenants and Advocates to come speak with us either February or March about some of the ongoing issues and efforts to resolve them as well as hopefully ahc's Redevelopment or Rehabilitation plans for the property so as people may remember the I think the three-year extension of the loan sort of coincides with the 10-year requirement that they have to own the property for that long before they can apply for lie Tech credits to basically redevelop or you know rehab the property and I know that at has been working with the county to figure out what that's going to look like um for next year uh so I think it'd be helpful to get a better sense of that and I think a lot of the issues that were described um tonight as far as the water shut off emergency maintenance is happening because the building's just deteriorating and that's not going to stop happening until there's a major Redevelopment of rehab um so uh that's kind of one agenda item that I'd like to do and then the second would be to invite County staff before us to provide an update on the implementation of the cap strategies document probably in May so they're going to be releasing an annual report in April um with information about how they've been working to implement um their cap strategies document and hopefully the recommendations from our report as well um but since that's when plan Lakes Boulevard will come before us and again I would expect that to probably dominate discussion and all of our time during the April meeting um then we would be looking at May for having a discussion about um the County's efforts to work on oversight improved oversight of the cap properties um so I also plan to reach out to HC um to meet with their representatives to talk through some of the concerns raised um and uh also from my conversation with anthonycia um I believe staff is also planning to follow up and see if there's a more active role that they can play um to uh mediate between uh AC and the properties and resolve some of these issues that appear to be ongoing yes Eric um okay so a couple thoughts real quick because I know we need to move ahead with the agenda yeah I mean the um I think that sounds good um I think the staff update could probably be folded into a meeting like that makes sense maybe the one that we're already having um I just it's a suggestion it seems to me that having a meeting talking about these issues with the advocates in HC would probably be its own meeting that's just that's a whole meeting like that's that's a whole meeting and maybe even more than one meeting um the other thought is I'm glad you highlighted the water um issues and the heating that seems to be the most egregious um and I would prefer if we I mean we should talk about them in a systemic kind of way but like um it was really it's been really cold like there's been some really cold days right and uh people need heat and that's an old building and they have issues but like like who can the county look into that I don't know you don't know the answers it's called but can the county look into this like there needs to be heat in these units um and if there are water issues and I think where a lot of folks here familiar with the issues of Serato structurally it's not a it's not a great building but um big water um so can we do something now I think these meetings are important but like we can't wait on this stuff yeah yeah so it sounds like part of the challenge is that um agency has made some efforts to provide like bottled water when the water's out for like an entire day yeah um but from what the tenants and Advocates have said that that's basically on if you ask for it it's not just provided so it's if you call the office and say I want bottled water they'll say oh we have some available but they're not broadcasting to all the tenants again that's that's my impression um from conversations and from what they provided in the letter and Alex can you send that a report out the letter to the rest of the commission thank you um and I think with the heat as well I think they were making some like space heaters available but not to everyone it was just like if you're called to ask for it um and especially for low-income tenants or tenants you know who um their immigration status lends itself to not being super comfortable confronting Authority and um you know they're the ones who end up suffering when things are sort of proactively provided yes I'm just trying to wrap my right around this because didn't this happen in 2021 we had a whole bunch of weeks 20 to that building for at least five years that would be generous probably much more many many years than that yeah so are we at the point where we question or the calendar the question whether this building is livable with all these problems and if it's not if they get someone out there and say you know what at this point uh a whole renovation or the just whatever they come up with we need to relocate every tenant because it was like tenants who had major issues who wanted to leave last but now the tenants that are still there um now they coming back full circle they have the major issues I mean it's like the whole building wouldn't it be more beneficial just to start from scratch with this building because it's just way too many like series water and Heat that's Theory I think so my my understanding is that um like the the water and the Heat going out are in response to maintenance issues where they have to turn off like the Heating units they have to turn off the water as opposed to like the water is just not there or working um and because they're responding and my my understanding too is that ahc and director bulk has gotten a lot better at addressing the maintenance issues um since the county had intervened and since all that all those things that happened in like 2021 um that you know the mice issues and a lot of the other things like the mold I'm not hearing about that from the tenants or from The Advocates at this point so it does sound like a lot of progress has been made but the continuing like deteriorating state of the building has led to a lot of these like shutoffs that have impacted you know the ability of the tenants to sort of function and it sounds like HC has been very uneven in how they communicate and sort of offer um mitigation efforts around these things so um I think AC is very much of the mindset of like this building needs to be either you know gutted and rehabbed or like tore down and rebuilt um but from a financing perspective they can't start that until after they've owned it for 10 years and that won't kick in until um either next year the year after I Think So the plan is to do that in some form and that's what I'd like to have at come and talk about that and what are their steps to make it livable in the meantime um but yeah I think it's it's more so like uneven access to some of the mitigation efforts that um you know like The Advocates have talked about can you provide bottled water and agency is like oh that's a great idea yeah we should do that and then they start providing bottled water only to people ask for it as opposed to like let's proactively just have a bunch of cases in the lobby and anyone can come down and take out or something um and that seems to be pretty consistent for some reason with ahc that you have this kind of uneven um uh delivery of like if you're thinking about the population that they're surveying they're not always thinking about the people who um don't have the time and the resources to go and like demand things or you know get what they need um like how do they still account for those people um and the people who can't afford to go out and just buy bottled water on their own um to things like that they have other property stuff y stuff why can't they relocate the tenants other properties and just I don't know maybe I'm the scarf that you could just keep this building empty until they can yeah [Music] it's gonna be money right yeah they're collecting rent so if they move like if there's no one in that building act like you're right but this is this is shameful like why this it just I remember those meetings between everyone it was horrific like we know in Arlington County if any unit building is without water for let's say a day residents would go wild and would get done it is horrendous that these people in Arlington County one of the nicest places to live one of the safest places to live our residents are getting treated like this this is I I I'm just speechless of how honestly like we left this this company um like manage any buildings showing that the huge disconnect of if you're wealthy you get stuff done if you're poor that to me that's that's what you're showing like and this company just does not okay like it's so it's like I mean I think like but like but they don't like they are letting these people if they need water Oh Come to Us for a week for a no heat for a month it's well I don't think the water's been out for a week that's like a day it'll be out um but still like they're making these people come to them these are probably this is their company this is that these people you know work to to live at this place to get their money to make sure they have a roof over their head and they're getting treated I mean I'm not gonna I don't know and I don't disagree with you like um I I agree with all that pretty much uh I guess I would just say I do think that like we're talking about HC I think we really do need in college that like they have done a lot should they have been in that place in the first place like absolutely not like I think we do have to acknowledge that like there's been a lot of improvements but clearly there's a huge trust deficit that remains at the very minimum right and that's that's right um and so I agree with you I just you know the there there's been a lot they've done like Helen was saying we're not hearing about mold you know we're not hearing about these huge systemic issues but we are still hearing a lot of uh incidents right and we know that if we're hearing about 10 incidents there's probably a hundred going on because only about 10 or whatever probably ever makes it right um and so I know Kellen has to move on with ours and I just uh I I want to chime in because like there's a sense of urgency and see that kind of struck me especially with the heating [Music] issue one one last thing with that and then you got to move on why do they have why can't time frame be tweaked because of the issues that are going on whether they have to wait the 10-year why can't that if we can't move it on that end why can't we move it on this end Ken do you have more interesting money I know it's a rule but it rules those are okay whatever let's go I just wanted to also like lift up just the urgency we have another six or eight weeks I appreciate that we're going to have some meetings with the manager but by the time those actually make it down to like impacted people um I worry something serious would happen we could all look back and say damn we all should have moved quicker right and so what's what's like the short-term fix I mean do we you know ask PhD to make sure they have a certain amount of heaters on demand we ask the county to you know like maybe provide some emergency funding what's like the short-term fix if the power goes out again for an extended period over the next six weeks I think it's a good point and I think you know County staff is definitely planning to re-engage like and Venezia she reached out to me you know the same day that we got this email um and when we talked this morning she said part of the reason why the county wasn't involved is because they haven't gotten any complaints um to the county so these the county hasn't really been following it because uh residents at this round haven't been reaching out the county to say here's this issue um there's you know exactly why they haven't been reached out to the county versus just trying to deal with it directly with ahc I'm not sure um I know the other thing is that apparently the relationship between some of the advocacy groups and Drug earn law like deteriorated a bit last year and AC had asked The Advocates to stop interacting directly with the property management firm and just go to AFC like corporate um if they had concerns and so there seems to be some communication issues and some other things but my impression from Ann is that the county does plan to re-engage and figure out like what is the best role for the county to step in and start mediating and I think you know we saw back in 2021 like there's a lot of power with that when the county says hey this is a priority we want to fix this things happen um and so I think you know Ann and her team are trying to figure out what's the best way to to work with both the residents and ahc to resolve this to make sure that you know any of our calf residents are dealing with these types of issues all right I want to try to wrap this up so this is micropos I because I think I think we generally agree something we should have like long term with meetings but also like so I'm going to make a motion that um that our chair uh uh uh sent a letter on behalf of the commission to HC copy uh our housing director and copy you know chair Dorsey whoever you all think needs to be copied and the letter basically says you know we have heard we heard one person in our Housing Commission meeting we have also heard about the community that there are issues including those involving water and heat you know the thought and exclusive list um and you know can you please look into this immediately and follow up in you know short order basically and my motion also says that I give different to the chair to figure out kind of whatever else sounds reasonable that or I think that will help our housing division of the Housing Commission itself has said uh so that's my notion okay um I don't have a list of uh all the Commissioners in front of me um but Alex you helped me out with the Roll Call back to you okay um so we'll start with uh so this is voting uh to approve the motion that was just brought by commissioner Burkey and seconded by commissioner rubikova yep uh and so uh commissioner Burkey I vote Yes okay uh commissioner Blake who I think is on the line yes uh Junior Brown okay um commissioner Edwards uh commissioner heminger yes with uh just a brief comment um like I just want to be as clear as I can that we need the county to move as urgently as possible I have an obligation with the NAACP those buildings are almost all communities of color if HD or the county doesn't move quickly then we are going to mobilize the double ACP we're going to cause a big rocket so whatever we can do on behalf of those residents I think we have to do it but redundantly yes okay uh commissioner Lee virtual if he is on but I don't see okay uh commissioner Macbeth I vote Yes yes uh commissioner Midfield right yes uh commissioner Montgomery yes commissioner Norris yes uh commissioner yes and then commissioner service yes then uh I did not miss anyone right okay that passes unanimously um thank you uh so yeah I will work on that thank you okay well that takes care of public comments um next we have approval of the notes that letter will go out I know you need help I'm happy to I hope that I just there's I don't know I hate to say that people's lives are on the line but it's been so cold and uh I can work on it tomorrow and hopefully get a draft out to the commission like this weekend um if that works for people yeah okay uh any edits to the the minutes okay do I have a motion to approve I'll second that motion okay um do I have oh we have a second um I don't think we need to do we have to do roll call for every Vote or can we just do um like unanimous consent for one person okay right yeah yeah but then you could have to go through the people individually up here okay um but yeah you could do in the room a versus a and then okay um so I guess for all those in the room uh raise your hand if you approve the minute um uh all those uh not uh approving the minutes um please raise your hand okay any abstentions in there okay so one Ascension uh and then for the folks online I guess we have um Nikki Lake yes I think that's Nikki and raising your hands um and then who is the other one Margaret okay uh commissioner okay also raising your hand okay um so uh one Obsession and the rest thank you okay uh next item on the agenda is uh information update about crystal houses so we have we have Chris uh demonsis with the county here um so I'll give it over to him thank you good evening everyone um there's a PowerPoint presentation that I believe is being pulled up I'm going to kind of kick it off and give a little background for those who may need a refresher or new on the Housing Commission or haven't heard about this in a little while but there's been a lot going on in the background so want to want to update everyone and so I believe Mitch you're going to share the person who um controls the meeting please allow me to share the screen is that possible to do everyone they doesn't look like I'm able to oh I'm just kidding sorry guys okay can you guys see that yep perfect thank you take it away Chris all right uh let's start with the next slide please excellent um so for way of background um and context setting um this is Crystal houses located in the Aurora Highlands neighborhood uh was acquired by Washington housing Conservancy in the end of 2020 um in a unique transaction that involved Amazon as well as jbg financing in existing property of around 828 units and two towers mid-rise Towers um with significant surface parking and um and a pool that you can see there simultaneous to that acquisition Amazon an affiliate of Amazon actually acquired the infill development rights via an option agreement so this was an already entitled infill development that was was entitled under a different market rate for-profit developer and um and they acquired those rights for 40 million dollars for option consideration um what then occurred was a was a unique real estate transaction with the county in um insofar as Amazon's affiliate assigned those development rights to the county via an assignment agreement with a whole slew of conditions as you can imagine everything from how the RFQ worked to um to a very aggressive development timeline for the affordable units I should also mention that when they acquired the site whc put an overall Covenant on the site for 75 percent of the units to become affordable units take those units affordable officially for 99 years and and so those kind of those covenants came through in the assignment agreement so so what was going to be market rate infill of roughly 800 units um it became 75 essentially um affordable housing which which is really a very unique structure anywhere so with with the County's assignment agreement went forward through a rigorous and long uh development selection process and we'll we'll Show a slide that has some of the process on there um just by way of background and selected the two development partners that are that are on this um that are on this Housing Commission UIA and APPA who will be taking this through pre-development development delivery and ownership in the next roughly five to seven years so our next slide please so this is a an illustrative of the site plan as it was um entitled in in December of 2019 a year before whc acquired it a number of infill buildings on what are essentially surface parking lots um and and most of this will become affordable housing and with a mixed income um as well as some market rate uh on on the property um the another unique aspect of this is is during that entitlement process ch5 which is which is located right down there on 22nd Street was actually um agreed to be donated to the county for affordable housing as as a way to in exchange for the bonus density that was that was earned um for for the entitled infill so so that is actually in County ownership it's currently a surface parking lot that's used by Restaurant Row on 23rd Street and um and is slated for 4 housing will get into more of that detail later next slide please thank you and this is a little bit about the process started with a request for expressions of Interest which is really just to try to get a universe of potential developers this was a national scale development advertisement a number of groups responded to the RFQ which was the next step in the process we had 16 teams and 29 representing 29 unique developers from you know as as far away as you know Illinois Florida New York a number of different areas went through a rigorous selection process with an interdisciplinary team in the county that down selected to seven teams for the RFP which which took place in 2022 which of which five teams responded to the RFP um from there started a negotiation process that was that was Guided by procurement best practices at the county negotiating with three different teams for what were essentially best and final all offers with with the richest development programs meeting the most amount of goals for the county um and and at the end of last year negotiated a disposition and development agreement um with uh with the team that is here so uh with that I'll turn it over to I believe eya is next so so it turned over to Jack thank you thank you so much uh good evening thank you Commissioners for your time my name is Jack Lester I'm a partner at eya and I'm joined by my colleague Karen Garfield who's our head of multi-family uh development at eya I a couple of things um we're super excited to to be working on this project we understand how important this is to the community um and and we don't take that for granted and we're really excited to be working again with oppa and and the county on on this project the other thing I'll say is when I saw the final form of presentation I noticed there's 20 eya slides and I think four or five APA slides we don't have an outsized role here we are led by our teammates at APA we do have a lot of experience but uh I'm mindful of your time I'm going to go through them quickly if I talk too fast stop me and if I miss something we can ask at the end so um let's go there so we're into our 31st Year we're a um uh uh Bethesda based uh 100 person company that develops uh infill development projects in the DMV uh we you'll see a little bit later we have a deep um history with mixed income and affordable housing and we think we bring a really unique perspective uh to meeting you know to meeting those affordable needs let's go to the next slide these are the four areas of capability in incompetence in our company uh we work on all of our entitlements are um uh challenging and complex uh we by the nature the work and where we do it uh that's the case we do infill development we were doing infill 30 years ago when people didn't know what the term infill meant and so we were really a Cutting Edge in bringing people back into urban areas uh with the product and when you go into neighborhoods like Old Town Alexandria or Capitol Hill where they have 350 or 250 year histories we've got to be sensitive to our surroundings that's in our DNA uh and that's what's uh we've been really successful working with stakeholders uh you see large-scale Master planning public-private Partnerships like this one and again I mentioned uh and we'll go into some detail about some of our mixed income um developments that we've worked on next slide please our core values um you know I'll just take a second Integrity determination Excellence Innovation we um we try to live these every day uh we're so pleased to be partnered with oppa who through our collaboration on a on a project in the district uh we've learned and I hope they have that we share many of these same core values thank you this is a graphic representation of the developments the communities uh that we've built you're familiar with the um with the metro map and the uh so we we've we've stayed in Phil uh and in a long Transit that's been a big part of our history um and I'm happy to talk about any of those projects maybe there's some there that you know and I do have some individual slides um so we have experience in Virginia uh our experience in Arlington was in our very early days uh but more recently in in Virginia uh more generally we did the the Town Homes at um at the Mosaic District and I guess um one of the things we were the first ones in there and this isn't all all of these points I'm making may not be relevant for the uh crystal house but the point here was before there was a Mosaic District and it was just a you know kind of a concept that was moving forward we were able to build a story and get folks uh to buy for sale housing there that really provides and this is true in all neighborhoods stability uh folks that are are buying are looking at a much longer timeline and so they are willing to come into communities that are evolving and developing and that was the case there and really kind of set the pace for for mosaics um success and continued success I think Edens would tell you that next slide Robinson Landing this is an iconic project that we are just now completing we've completed the construction within the last three months and I think we have one more home to sell clearly this is not affordable housing but this was a really um you know challenging entitlement you know coming into Old Town Meeting the the various historic uh requirements very complex financing Super Creative Design and I think the thing we're most proud of here is how we were able to and have been able to open up the Alexandria Waterfront which had really been closed off to the public for you know uh Generations uh the last project is uh in Virginia I think that I'm going to talk about two more um Reston station uh this is the example here this is an ongoing project will be sold out here in the next uh 60 to 90 days this was taking um reusing office uh an existing office building that uh who's uh that became Obsolete and we were able to create with jbg uh a much more um integrated and uh mixed uh mixed-use development at the Metro in Reston in the last Virginia project is ramp Park this is a missing middle uh development uh for this region and here was an opportunity again we worked with a with Federal realty they were shrinking the footprint of their uh shopping center so again a reuse not of office like the earlier example but a reuse of evolved and too much in fact retail taking a surface parking lot and turning it into a 177 for sale homes I'm going to touch now on our mixed income experience um the next is a list of the the projects uh or or the folks that we've worked with so in the in the center section we've worked and I'll share a couple of slides um with arha Alexandria Redevelopment Housing Authority uh Karen will talk a little bit about our experiences and our relationship with the housing opportunities Commission in Montgomery County we're now working on our second project with the D.C Housing Authority the Redevelopment of Greenleaf Gardens we were integral and I'll talk a little bit about it our our project at Capitol quarter you can see some of the Investment Partners that we've had as well as some of the non-profits that we've worked with next slide so I won't say much about this EX on the technical side except to say as I alluded to this is an important part of who ey8 is we uh the folks that come to work at eya love the creativity that we bring the the kind of the coolness to some of our uh market rate projects but they also come for this kind of mission element of of what we do and we think we we bring something different than traditional affordable housing developers do we we have a Keen Eye for the market and we'll see in some of the examples where where we've not turned the model on its head but we've we've made communities where um and created value in the for sale or the market rate for sale portions of the project that can then leverage and be invested into the affordable portions of the of of the project so let's go to the next slide maybe I can give a better example so here's a good example this is a partnership and Karen jump in if I get it wrong but I'm kind of rolling uh so this was a project that we did with hoc they owned 70 plus or minus um obsolete Garden Apartments on this site that is near the new purple line in Montgomery County and uh they reached out to us and we were able to develop a plan that leveraged the value of the 62 market rate town homes that we built you see that in the upper right hand corner in the the value that that generated was the equity for hoc to invest and we led the development of a 200 unit mixed income affordable bill building that they owned so again being really creative getting a challenging entitlement getting this appropriate density in this location creating the value in their land and then turn and then turning that land value into Capital to invest in additional uh affordable homes next slide Chad and swear this was really the start of our um entry into mixed income housing um that this was kind of groundbreaking in its in in how we approached um mixed income housing the thing that's here and you'll see it on another slide is you can't tell the affordable homes and this is a public housing affordable from the market rate home so we sold and I don't know the prices at the time this is probably going back 15 to 16 years but homes that sell for 1.5 million next to um a public housing apartments and so that's how we were able to create that value that then the Housing Authority can leverage into even more and better affordable housing next slide this was our second development uh very complex seven um with our very complex uh challenging entitlements same thing uh it's nearly impossible for the untrained eye to identify the million dollar town homes from the those serving public housing residents and again leveraging that land value and creating more and better housing for the community and next one Karen I'm going to ask you to jump in this is an hoc but you could talk a little bit about what we're doing at HSC with on West Side sure so West Side Shady Grove is at the Shady Grove Metro um it was actually eya letter Master planning effort with Montgomery County um and uh developed 400 Town Homes uh and then there are three multi-family buildings uh the one on the upper right in that site plan is the daily which is um was 30 percent affordable um the next building is the Laureate which we are partners with hoc housing opportunities Commission of Montgomery County and that is 30 affordable um 25 mpdus and five percent Workforce and then there's a third multi-family building which we are in the nascent stages of um of you know getting that ready for construction the Laureate will deliver um actually in April of this year so we're extremely excited about that but I think it's a great example of um you know a truly mixed income project that you know the the photo on the rendering on the upper left is you know it's a really beautiful building and that goes for the uh the the one at Chevy Chase Lake uh as well the Lindley I mean spectacular uh the units are in you cannot discern um market rate from affordable here uh is the last project that we'll talk about with mixed income any of you who've been down to the Navy Yard maybe gone to a Nats game might know the the town homes there this was a project we did with the Housing Authority in the District of Columbia uh approximately 330 uh homes there were a third of them were public housing affordable um a third uh approximately a third Workforce and then the other third uh market rate and again leveraging being able to create a community where you can get the full value for that market rate so you can subsidize the the workforce and support the affordable housing and we came up with some really cool architectural designs I'll just take one second on it because this is the way and I won't take credit for it because I'm not that creative but this is the kind of creativity we apply to to to difficult challenges so here we we have a community of row homes uh what in fact if you were to look at the the three row homes what you would find is multiple Flats in those so we from the exterior they're indistinguishable but we're able to uh provide more housing for more families in this mixed income community with Creative Design and I think the last slide Karen is really just about our multi-family expertise in our pipeline I'll take a second on it but we have uh it's an important part of what we do people know us mostly for our Our Town owned communities um because you know the apartments can seem like a commodity uh but we've got a really robust Pipeline and much of it is what we would call kind of impact housing that uh substantially that has a substantial amount of affordable housing in it so um that is it and I'm thank you for everyone indulging um me and I'm going to take it from here Jack you're a tough act to follow but um the folks at the Housing Commission know APPA pretty well so that's why we tried to keep our slides um to a smaller number but first and foremost Carmen Romero I'm the CEO at APPA I've been at APPA for 12 years but only in this role for about a year and a half now and relevant to this conversation I'm also a 25-year resident of Arlington County so I get the privilege of living and working in this incredible community and this is a special opportunity for us to be selected by the county to work with a developer that we admire so so much as we do eya for the work they've done in the region and be able to bring them to our hometown to work together on really a landmark project so this is a really really important um milestone for APPA and we are really deeply committed to executing you know as Chris mentioned on a very complex aggressive timeline project but really this is our sweet spot which is infill Construction in Arlington um I'm joined tonight by Mike Chiappa Mike if you want to wave he's our senior vice president of real estate he oversees both the real estate team we have a 13-person real estate team but he recently took over Asset Management because it's really important to me to know that we're not just worried about when we're building the building the how we're operating the building in the long term and um you know Mike and I've worked together for eight years and we are you know bringing the same passion we're bringing to development now to ensuring that we are um recapitalizing older properties so you all just saw that we closed on the Arna Marbella scattered site renovation that we broke ground on at the end of the year so it's Mike that is helping kind of make sure that that's all happening in in the APPA um in the APPA work plan I'm also joined by Mitch crispell who's our director in the real estate team Mike has two directors you all may remember our good friend Charles Sims is the other director in the real estate team I'm a former housing commissioner um so Mitch and Charles divide up um the entire real estate portfolio and Haley Norris who you know from the Housing Commission is actually going to be our senior project manager on this development so hopefully that you know gets helps you figure out a little bit of how APPA works if you want to go to the next slide Mitch but some stats um APPA today is 2600 homes over 4 000 people call Appa home tonight we have 400 units under construction including 144 units at Boston station that's the church partnership with Central United Methodist Church um that's going to have a 90 unit daycare center in it across the street from the Metro we should you know I that's not one of the projects we're highlighting but that is one that we're really excited to be delivering in the county we also have 1500 units in the pipeline getting ready to close throughout the the DMV our focus and our Niche is 30 to 60 percent of the area meeting income that um and in addition to that wanting to set aside around 10 percent of our units to do Partnerships with permanent Supportive Housing Partners it's groups like doorways for women and children that you know well um a span which was rebranded to I'm forgetting the name now Pathways so we have mousse with non-profit Partners throughout the county so that we are the landlord but they identify them they provide services and we work together to make sure that they have housing within the Apple portfolio um but we're more than just developers you know at our core what APPA is is yes we're very proud of the beautiful buildings that that we build but it's more important to me what happens in the buildings after they're placed in service and we have a 16 person resident services team led by Marquan Jackson who we recruited um in the middle of covet to move here from Detroit actually from the University of Michigan Andover where he was teaching the School of Social Work to come here and Design both programs that can offer housing stability as well as opportunity for APA residents out of the 4 000 people that call Apple home half of them are under the age of 25. so a lot of our focus is around next Generation Um activation and after school tutoring and addressing learning loss and mental health support and food insecurity Marquan and his 16-person team we have one full-time person at every Apple property that has over 100 units now in a campus like crystal houses that's going to look even better and when I think of the Arlington Community High School that's being built on the Amazon campus and the opportunities that can offer residents like ours Apple doesn't have a property in Crystal City with this we will be able to be more connected to that Community get not only the residents that are part of the crystal house Community integrated into all the things that Crystal City has to offer but we could bring folks that live throughout Columbia Pike or along the RB Corridor to get to Crystal City through some of these programs I'm going to turn it over oh and the last point I should make the Arlington partnership for affordable housing is a little bit of a misnomer because we are now serving as of 2017 five jurisdictions including Montgomery County Fairfax Loudon and thanks to eya the DC they selected us to be their partner in our first DC deal that breaks ground next month it's a 90 unit senior housing deal affordable that we are really excited about but I'm going to let Mitch take you through the rest of the slides but we are really excited to be here tonight okay great so I'm just going to highlight two of our recent projects and then give a little bit of an overview of the site and then we'll take your questions um so you probably you guys probably already know about these projects but we're really proud of her really great place that we opened last year 160 units with half of them a preference for veterans um right at the Virginia Square Metro beautiful building beautiful Interiors we're really happy with how that turned out it came to us from the American Legion Post and they've got a 9 a 6 000 square foot space on the ground floor now that they can use a brand new facility you know much better than the place they had before so it's just a win-win for both of us foreign court and Rosalind uh you guys probably remember the the old building the small 39 unit Garden complex that we've redeveloped into our highest density project I think this is probably the best comp for what the crystal house developments are going to look like pretty high density uh right near a metro station uh infill development like Jack was mentioning and we opened this um gosh almost two years ago now and we also developed a public park as part of this you probably know about it already right here and I think that also is a good comp for what we're going to do at Crystal house because there are some there's two parks required as part of the site plan that app anyway are going to develop and so we have experience working with the county on building you know those those public amenities so we're going quick through those because we know you guys know us okay so here's the the last slide and this is really just outlining kind of what is planned for the crystal house development and I'll just start by just claiming that there's a lot still to be worked out in terms of the phasing and the details of each building um but we wanted to just come at this early stage and give you a high level overview of what to expect there and I'm sure we'll be back to give you more details as they develop so I think uh Chris already mentioned this there's the two existing buildings here Chris losses one and two and then there's going to be five new buildings three for four five six seven and eight these will have a mix of rental and for sale uh the the big buildings here will be mostly rental and then over here is where we're thinking about potentially doing for sale it'll also be a mix of family and Senior uh projects so we're penciling for now at least one of the buildings will be dedicated to seniors and then overall the Amazon agreement and the ldta call for 800 about 844 units across the entire site of new density that we're adding of those six at least 655 will be affordable at a range from 30 to 80 Ami it's about half at 60 a quarter at 50 and then uh about 10 about 10 at 80 and 10 at 30. so it's just the rough numbers and there's an exhibit to the ldda that we signed in December that we'll send you after the meeting they kind of give this high level overview so you don't have to worry about the numbers right now but we'll send that out um and we're still figuring out what's you know what mixes in each building and working through some planning processes but that's the high level of the uh the units and the income mix another key part of this development is providing replacement parking for the existing residents so all this land right now is basically parking lots that the the folks who live at Crystal houses one and two are using for for parking so part of the agreement um with Amazon who assigned the option um was that all of those parking spaces had to be replaced in garages of the new buildings so that's something that we'll be providing in the so you know underground parking in these new buildings will be both for the residents of the new buildings and the residents of the existing buildings and we'll make sure that they have parking during construction as well you know we'll probably off-site we're figuring that out as well so we'll deliver these five new buildings and all these units in phases and that's another thing that's still up in the air but all of it is called to be completed by January 1st of 2028 so it'll it'll be uh about five years uh to get it all done and we've outlined in the the ldda exhibit that will send you outlines the expected future ahif requests that we think will be required for each of the affordable buildings some of it as Jack mentioned from precedence some of it will be offset with land value from the eya market rate component so that's a win but there will be a need for ahif and I think um the reason for that is that you know the UNF as you all know unfortunately getting the land donated is just not enough to make these deals work there's still a need for subsidy if we're going to hit all those affordability targets we just mentioned so that's why there will be a need for ahif and the approximate ballpark amounts are outlined in that exhibit and we'll we'll share that with you all right so that's our grand plan 850 units in five years get excited and I think we can take some questions now thank you very much for the presentation um did have a question so I believe this is true the two existing buildings those are going to be rehabbed or like what's happening with those versus just the the new five buildings the two existing buildings will remain in whc ownership my understanding and our understanding from from conversations with jbg and whc is that they're um are roughly 65 don't quote me have already been uh of the units and the existing buildings have already been rehabbed to some degree um that there's roughly 20 million plus or minus in investment that are that's going into the existing buildings um but really that's uh that's that's their um their bailiwick and and their you know they're working to to bring down their rent you know buy down their rents and and and do uh do what they're doing but they're obviously going to be a partner in in this um in this development with with a number of uh all these complexities that we've talked about um future reasonable agreements et cetera et cetera so so obviously they're they're going to be a partner with us okay and so when we're talking about the 850 units total does that only include the five new buildings and those units or does that also include the existing two buildings so that's just the new the new infill development the new the new development the the existing units which I which I mentioned at the beginning is roughly 828 so so you're looking at you know across the whole site 1600 plus units the plan is to keep those market rate so yeah so um essentially when when um whc acquired this they they um self-imposed a self-enforcing uh affordability Covenant to take what were Market rents and over the course of five years um buy those down to Affordable rents um primarily at around 80 percent Ami but but us but about roughly 25 will be 50 or below of the existing so we're talking about ch1 and two right that's not really part of this this uh what what we're presenting here but yeah as a way of background okay yeah thank you for that clarification so I have a question about the homeownership units are they going to be market rate or affordable uh units yeah so it's a great question um we're not there yet uh they would be predominantly market rate and again as uh Mitch was saying we want to we do need to create as much value in the land as we can to help to subsidize all of that replacement parking as well as the rent so I could imagine there's a component of of affordable home ownership we're just uh we just haven't kind of updated uh you know where we need to be in in terms of that but yeah I can imagine a component but substantially market rate [Music] today so I end up process question I think Chris you're probably the one to answer it so what I was um hearing um from Mitchell I think was that you know the idea right now is uh we might be it's not locked in obviously but we're thinking we're thinking approximately 10 of the units that are affordable at 80 about 50 I think is what I heard is 60 uh 25 50 about 10 at 30 I think those are the ball marks we're looking at so you know in in you know a normal development situation right like Alpha comes they got the property they're coming to us for an ahif request whatever this is different because there's been this assignment that we that the county got and the county had this obviously this competition and then selected the development Partners so like uh from a process standpoint like how much discretion do cya and apple have over things like income mix versus the county saying we would prefer this versus this because you know in a regular situation Apple would say well this is what we're proposing because this is what makes sense and kind of and then you work it out but this is different we have the county has selected by and app on behalf of account ing walk us through how that's going to work sure so I think um you know Mitch um you know Mitch referenced um sort of a set of we've talked about we talked about them in the DDS sort of a set of minimum um sort of affordability that that that that's based on you know our affordable housing master plan and all the goals that we have and so obviously things change obviously qaps change as you all know um you know we'll have a new qap in another year the incentives could change and and things things move to to how incentives change right for for raising tax credit Equity so so we have to allow some understand understandably some flexibility as projects come down um by phase but but at this point we do have a a fairly Rich uh development program that that is very beneficial from um from from the affordable uh affordable housing perspective where we try to check as many boxes as we can knowing that uh at a level of complexity like this and phasing over time things are going to change and and and we recognize that right so so we'd be working with them um at each at each phase and and how that would Stack Up um versus the the overall development will be the last but you know um the county has had a lot of success with this the six percent Ami units that's like the model is that understood it you know becoming an amateur learning to stop the 60 Ami units are typically is working going to get built um but you know as we build more of them you know a lot of the folks in those units of course uh and I said of course but a lot of them still are getting housing grants to other systems from the county and maybe some federal dollars um I think a lot of folks would be interested in us trying to maybe get away from that hard wiring some some lower you know income restricted units I understand that has to make sense from a financial perspective and I so I would just urge us to really start thinking now as far as like how can we get more not just 50 but maybe 40 or 30 and I understand there's trade-offs so I don't have a number in mind but just really trying to hardwire more than 10 of the units um you know obviously Arlington Community foundation's been leading on this looking at bar crop but I think here especially we got Transit Richard area a job Rich area I'd like to see us lean into more than just the 10 if we can we keep that's my comment that's that's a great comment and I think that's your point is well taken but you know just just so you know we are we are thinking about this and and by way of reference um the number that are proposed at 30 now roughly doubles the the 30 stock that the county has right now just so you have a sense um so so you know looking pretty good um out the gate uh so I'll just say that in response thank you just two quick questions could you pull up page 29 real quick of the presentation yeah would that be all right on the top part of the property uh where the home ownership option would be available I notice that the buildings were split I just wondering is was that like a structural reason or is there anything stopping you from just making one long building there would that give us more units I was just wondering what the yeah we're studying we're studying that yes we're looking into it okay but if the approved plan that was a very critical component from the 4.1 approval okay we're kind of inheriting what they did there and I think a mid-block path was like okay gotcha the second question and partner had to step away but I did want to acknowledge this I appreciate the focus on Child Care um what about like high-speed internet has that been part of the thinking across the campus once it's all built out has made a commitment to provide free high-speed internet to all of our residents across our portfolio for new for our new projects so yes that will be a part of this perfect thanks so much our possibilities this is not for something like for us on the call but I'm just thinking about this and this is just kind of the way my brain works but like I'm listening to eyas presentation and it makes perfect sense with the market as we have it there's these like pretty expensive market rate properties we're getting value from that we're doing this is what we talked about in affordable housing and it's just like another kind of aha for me of like oh this is why it's important we pursue maybe like use in other things where you've got this this this uh middle uh well you know use the other word for it but we have this this policy Gap that's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger because in order to get the units on a lower income scale you've got to just keep pushing up the value of these units up here and so it's like it's great but it's also like creating a separate problem we need to solve so it has nothing to do with this it's just kind of another aha for me is there any other comments or questions from commissioners okay oh uh it looks like we have a hand up by that might be great uh go ahead doors to call on me yeah okay just making sure um what I wanted to ask is um the partners in this partnership um I'm wondering um I am a member of the Arlington County disability advisory commission and Emma liaison to the Housing Commission and I'm wondering what your philosophy is and implementation expected information to maximize the availability of both affordable as well as market rate um units and these developments for people with disabilities who are in need of fully accessible type A units partly because the affordable housing master plan is is it has a Target that 10 percent of all calf units by 2040 are are are expected the expected outcome is that 10 will be fully accessible and um after also Crystal City being Crystal City and Pentagon City being part of a very important Transit corridor um for people with disabilities who need accessible transportation is very very important so I'm just wondering uh what what ideas you might have for maximizing the building code only requires two percent of the total number of units in a in a building for example but but that's that's a floor not a ceiling so it would be very incredibly um um it would be a model for the nation if if you would figure out maximizing that number that you can get beyond that two percent and Doris we will uh just you know I we've worked together in the past so you know we will work with eya to ensure that um we talk about our philosophy but in the past we've always exceeded the minimum floors of the two percent and tried to strive for you know in in our some of our deals are nine percent deals around the 10 Mark we've been able to hit these are a lot of units and I know we have some senior buildings and typically in the senior buildings we made those 100 Universal Design um so I will get back to you with details and we will certainly talk to eya and and work through that um and circle back and and certainly things like rolling showers and other best practices that we've learned from working with you and the commission we will make sure that we incorporate into the program here and I can just add the floor in terms of the requirement under our development agreement is five percent of all the affordable units being fully accessible and 18 employing Universal Design okay uh thank you doors um any other questions or comments it's exciting it's really exciting thank you very much thank you all very much I did thank you a process question um as far as when this is like this is like for our action we have a sense of so it would be for the first day of the requests um which I'm not sure when that will be but um I'm not sure Chris do you know when we're still determining but it's probably sometime this year we're hoping so so stay tuned got a lot to do and so for this this project there's no like sprc so there is no sbrc it did go through a site plan process in 2019 okay um and that's the site plan that they're working with currently and um I don't know the project as well as Chris said I don't want to speak to it but there probably are some small tweaks to that site plan that will be proposed um going forward okay thank you um next next up on our agenda we have the Housing Commission 2023 work plan um and this is for Action um and so this work plan um is uh sort of tweaking of the the plan that we had approved last year um and incorporating uh the feedback that Commissioners had made in this at our December meeting about things that we would like to focus on and I can briefly sort of highlight how um I'd Incorporated those in here so uh the first item the oversight of affordable housing properties and reviewing programs and policies to support affordable housing residents uh that has stayed the same but just updated the language to account for um what we had accomplished last year um and then the first bullet following up with staff in the county board on the implementation status of the um the jsac um reports which we talked about during public comment today um and then following up with staff on the implementation status of the long-term strategies document as well and the other bullets I think are largely the same as last year so continuing to promote Senate empowerment looking at um so this one was new examining strategies to advance economic Mobility promote Pathways out of subsidized housing for low-income residents so that was based off of feedback from last meeting and then continue working with the tenant landlord commission other Advocates uh to identify best practice and policy Solutions any questions or comments about a okay uh so for B maintaining and strengthening role as Chief advisor at County Board housing issues so this largely remained consistent with last year but with the addition of the first bullet collaborating with staff to develop an equity framework for the commission and enhance the data presented to the commission to clearly show the impact on and consultation with historically disadvantaged communities so this was also based on the feedback last last meeting um and sort of taking into account some of the discussions where staff when they brought projects to us have talked about what we considered equity and we've asked well can you tell us more about them and said well we don't really have anything to share beyond the fact that we've considered Equity um so to this end too I'm meeting with Samia um the um what is her official title the officer yes uh tomorrow to kind of talk through um what this might look like uh working with staff I've also given a heads up to anthonycia um that this is something I'd like to work with her and staff on figuring out what data currently exists that can be presented to the commission on a regular basis when we get site plans and other projects coming before us um and just how we can make progress with this goal both in the short term in the long term um the rest of the items on here are pretty consistent with uh what was in here in the past and just continuing on with those um any questions around or comments on B I just want to um I guess lift up what you were saying with equity and I like where you're going you talked about like what data is possible but I think as a commission we should say anything that comes before us should come with that accompanied Equity discussion so instead of you know like what's possible if anything's coming before this commission it should also come with that supplemental data that would be mine that's that is my hope whether that's like an equity addendum that gets you know tacked on to like what typically gets presented to us um or in some other capacity it's really calling out like um you know what is the impact of this project on members of the disability Community or impact of um you know uh minority populations in in the neighborhood or what have you and also looking at consultation and highlighting not just like oh we engage with the community but how did you engage with renters how did you engage with um you know black and brown residents and um making sure that we're reinforcing for the county that this is really important to us um and uh making sure that that's part of the public discussion as well I have something yeah so um it was really you know I watched um because I uh yeah because I presented back in December so the the transfer of development rights um uh proposal which was approved with the County Board we heard right um you know there's we had some discussion you know Holly and some other folks had raised some concerns about that and then I went to the County Board and listened to the Hem and they also raised some concerns that I kind of honestly was a little bit surprised about um you know several of the board members seem to be a little bit concerned about how the ordinance is working nowadays as far as our development um developers really always choosing almost always explicitly choosing the ability to contribute to ahif versus on-site units I say I'm surprised because I you know I'd heard in the past from certain folks that they were kind of okay with that because you know the money was great too and we could maximize it so and so forth um and maybe there's a ship and maybe there's not maybe it was just a meeting that's what people said but I kind of sort I would like us to consider revisiting that and maybe the ask is to get math to come to one of our meetings we can talk about it um something like that would be a pretty massive undertaking and it would need to go on the cphd work plan if it were ever to be contemplated but I was just really several of them said this and I was like oh and peta's going up um because I'd always heard we're okay with the contributions we'll do some on-site for bonus density contributions are okay uh generally because of our robust development program now that Alpha is expanding to other jurisdictions and it's harder to do development in Arlington and maybe I don't know maybe it's time to revisit that it's been 10 years right at least 10 at least 10 15 20 are we so you're not just talking about the transfer of development rights because yeah so that was my jumping off point I guess what I'm saying is you play with the language but it essentially you know revisit they could just say revisit with our liaison you know if if the County Board is even considering you know re-examination of of the ordinance and its structure it's not in the work plan that I'm aware of um and so this is like just the tiniest beginning of a conversation I I know last year there was talk of revisiting it and a decision was made in the county and among some advocacy groups that that was not the right time to do that um and I think in part that could be the makeup of the general assembly and yeah like and that was not not withstanding that's a pretty pretty major hurdle I mean I remember Arlington Community Foundation and tried to look at this a couple years ago and basically ran into that end as I recall um and I would have a lot of concerns and but look there were like three County board members saying it and I was like wow okay um it came up in that discussion because a lot of folks were concerned about the lack of on-site units in that proposal in Boston so so how long would it take to change something like that I have no idea and I'm not looking at the conversation right now I'm just saying I was kind of surprised um that there was so much interest and really maybe looking at that potentially um it was like a formal directive it was just there kind of going back and forth so hey if you know our electives are saying it maybe you know I don't know yeah I mean I'm no idea happy to add it to the work plan is something that we can look into for this year um maybe it's a conversation with Matt offline hey you know where's where's the mood right now and maybe it's something we've had three years yeah my guess is my understanding from talking to board members is that as far as legislative priorities for the general assembly it's all defense and you're not really you know offense at this point yeah so and anything that tweaks how Arlington does things they kind of want to stay away from because they don't want yeah I'm just pushing you know we're an institution too and like it's always good for us to keep pushing even if we're almost 100 certain the answer is going to be them having to keep hearing the ass okay yes I'm happy to add it there's no Market adjustment or inflation in that as well as well raid that was negotiated 10 to 15 years ago with the same amount that developers contribute today is that right the rate goes up with CPI change each year okay yeah and I say this with I I don't know where I would land out yeah I mean even if it's not going outside of an encounter for now yeah definitely we can add it and we can have that conversation see where it goes um I'm cool with that can I add can I one more thing yeah it's not related to the ordinance at all yep so like uh when I was chairman even before I was chair it feels like every time the budget comes up it's like oh crap the budget's here like trying to get ahead of it and part of it is like the timing I'm not throwing shape but like part of it is just the timing of like when the manager releases like the first draft and then things come out my recollection is that usually hits the streets like the end of January or whatever and then it's kind of like a Scramble for like a lot of advisory groups and so forth so I don't this is not well thought out but I think I'm looking at the calendar now I'm thinking is there any way that we can kind of sort of try to have that like a little bit because what we've heard at least publicly is that the man I think the manager has said the board has said like that AF likely flat which I think is like 17 or something million dollars um it's not all EF I don't know do we want to try to get out of that I don't know if we can but it always feels like no rush uh I agree you're talking about like potentially moving that up to February I don't know I look because we need like we need the budget but we need to something react to yeah and when is the manager releasing the budget to the public I think that's February right or is it the end of January I don't know I I think like because there's those budget hearings and the chairs go so like you should get invited and then you feel like I remember like all three years it was like it got released and then the meeting was like the next week but we hadn't had a meeting so it was kind of this dance of like what do you want I think usually the work sessions are like early March yeah so it's yeah so there you go there's your message no I agree with you I mean and I definitely want to make sure that we you know consider robust budget recommendations I don't I don't know how full it's going to be this year I felt like last year uh we were largely ignored as were the housing Advocates um by the board and the manager uh but um and I know one of the key things that we had asked for was additional staff capacity and we were basically told by the board there's there's no issues with staff capacity which is the opposite of what staff constantly tell us so there's a big disconnect there that no one seems to want to acknowledge um but uh yeah so we can see from my brief conversation with Matt it didn't sound like he was confident that there were the votes to add additional staff to see PhD to address some of the issues on the board so we can always push for it um and I think we should but I'm not super optimistic at this point I won a 31 Erickson because I think it is going to be a very complex process so like I don't think that we would even be able to get even if we had a magic wand all the way through this year but at least we if we do some foundational work this year perhaps that sets us up next year to be able to you know maybe move the ball a little bit brood well or like I mean what we could do is like I don't know if we'll have that budget by the next meeting or not and if we don't like we could at least say like let's go around the table like what are priorities for people that's like an informal understanding or we don't think I don't know if you think about on that but we could we could talk you know it's because it's not just a hip right if you're talking about staff you know housing grants you know there's it's a big budget um and so maybe that's one approach so at least if you're going into like a work session or something you like you got something yeah um I think the the big concern for me is if missing middle is going to be February then you know there's enough points hopefully we'll have to do with Daniel the Planning Commission and uh um but yeah so there's just there's you know some big items hovering over uh our heads on the schedule um that depending when they drop it it's just gonna be tough to find time for anything else but um I I think the point is well taken um and we can we can move discussion of the FY 2024 budget up to February um but I just yeah I don't know it really it will depend on when missing their lands whatever you think any other thoughts on that from members of the commission I'm sorry just from my understanding when there was like two dates like for like for example discussion of 202 housing commissioner and Report February the review and approval and the annual report does that mean there's two meetings or one or what does that mean uh that would be uh during the same meeting um and I think a lot of these like I basically just changed the years um from what was on here the previous year there's some things that I I added or changed around but I think but um yeah and I think so is there not a possibility to splitting some of these meetings uh what do you mean like having two meetings instead of one meeting or yeah we have still you know more information and if we're gonna you know really talk about these things all coming from work etc et cetera to really kind of have fresh Minds for some of these discussions I don't know how anyone feels about it but like you know today is the beginning of the meeting was very important you know I I want to make sure like I mean like the focus is on these things as well thing my two meetings uh where we know we've gone into where it's 11 o'clock at night and about you but I I don't think yeah I think we can certainly discuss that one of the things that I plan to do is schedule one-on-one meetings with each of the Commissioners to you know talk over how things are going and get to know people better uh learn names um and that's something that I'm happy to bring up to like you know do you prefer long paintings or do you prefer you know that we split some things up into two meetings a month I know it's tough because a lot of people they basically sign up for one meeting a month um and yeah you know splitting it into two could be challenging for some people but I think it's certainly worth the discussion and people would prefer to do that versus um you know having a very lengthy meetings at times how long can I just say one more thing I think um you know after having watched a little bit of both those Planning Commission meetings I think it would probably be very important of us to maybe schedule two sessions for that topic or at least have it on that because we have to have public notice right for our meetings and I do not want two meetings but I mean is it hard for anybody to imagine it eating 70 speaker something crazy I just think we should strongly consider having like a second session on the books I don't I don't know talk to Alex so like the last one was 65 speakers yeah so like I don't know can you yeah I don't know um talking about more broadly for meetings that we think could go longer are you if there are decided on too and you still thinking on Thursday because I'm on another commission so I have to oh I am like on this one thing I have just my personal stuff like yeah but I want to be able to focus on these where it is not going into I mean I'm talking and I'm going to be going in but like because we have been there where it's been 11 o'clock at night and they're a very important meeting But I me personally I don't know if if you know starting my day at 7 30 in the morning and then 11 o'clock so the messy middle which I think is very important yeah like sometimes it has to happen you know um and we have people coming like people from Toronto they come to us looking for help um and so I think we have a duty to kind of be more focused for some of these topics is there a way to have like two meetings one that's action items and one's informational yeah I mean I I think we have the flexibility to to add meetings as we you know think we need um which is a question of making sure that that works for the whole commission and that you know people aren't bored with that um I think one of the other things that we can look at is like for missing middle that's probably a good virtual meeting to have a little bit easier to have longer meetings versus in person so we do have that flexibility with those two meetings that we can do virtual um so I think that's when they started all been published I think we can't start before seven I mean this is the this was my my opinion this was one of the very hardest part I mean Collins has been a chair before this is one of the hardest parts about being chair is figuring out and meeting Cadence and how much you could fit in one meeting in subcommittees and all that it's just really hard and when I was chair we had a couple of meetings that were like like pretty bloated and there's really not a whole lot to do about it and so you just try to move things along and you do the best you can and sometimes these meetings go on right because Serrano and you gotta dedicated three and a half hours right and then sometimes you're like let's go guys it's fine you know that's kind of figure it out a little bit but um so I I I trust Colin I think you know Helen will talk to uh Alex and staff and you know figure out something that makes sense how much more do we have like if you can guesstimate uh as far as time yeah well the material like uh I think in another 30 minutes how much how much time would uh development on facing there's not very much offer development updates or some committee uh home ownership no um in February okay so this is yeah so we would Mark the wrap up yeah okay can I just say just sorry now that we've gone down the shirt I would not be a big fan of Jimmy in early like months from month I would just say um except for anomalies that might bring out 16. that is different or like Serato like that's a different situation think of the time that you put on your calendar so it's not always beneficial though yeah um okay uh so I didn't sound like people had additional comments or questions on Part B um and then we started talking about part C which is policy and this is where we really added in all of the items that people had brought up less last meeting um so obviously missing middle one makes it Boulevard um then the Redevelopment of Barcroft as well as efforts to reduce displacement of existing residents um the homeownership study uh comprehensive review housing grants which I'd like to get more information about like what the timeline is for those recommendations this year but um then looking at uh the fair housing which I know we've been talking about forever but that that plan should be dropping any day and that will also be a big giant report that's like a hundred and some odd pages long that people um or maybe a thousand sorry uh yeah I think it's closer to a thousand um about a hundred and uh that will have a lot of great things for us to talk about within this commission and it's hopefully going at some point but there's a they're still waiting on the translation of the final and that's why it keeps being delayed um uh and then looking at eviction efforts um we've added in the affordable housing ordinance um revisiting that and re-examining the transfer development rights um strategies to convert commercial property into residential property I've talked to Alex about having a presentation or briefing from the county on existing efforts um to incentivize that make that easier within the county um and then looking at nofa again um efforts to streamline reduce bureaucratic burden on affordable housing development efforts and then field trips um which I don't know a lot about um but it seems to be it was on the uh work plan last year and happy to look into seeing if we can do a field trip this uh the year which I think is just touring one of the affordable housing properties that was recently um completed is that typically what the field trip consisted of I mean I'm looking around and I think I'm the most tenured person at the table and I don't I it was not it was it still existed a little bit when I joined and then obviously died during pandemic so yeah I mean I don't feel that strongly about it but like you could hey Apple just opened a property um reselling so that we could piggyback on another field trip because you'll think this isn't the CD uh yeah we have an annual there is like an annual kind of round robin right yeah yeah yeah I feel like there's affordable housing right yeah exactly yeah the field trip count as a meeting we're all together so I do think that we're all going to be together together there will be quorum like yeah but the people going up okay oh I do have a question for it but I think what if we post a public notice I think that is I'm not asking whether we couldn't do that I'm asking if it were possible but like if we went to some place like the um the new yeah the new American Legion like is there a space where we get hosted community so is that a possibility we'd have to give public notice but could we do is that possible if we decided hey we want to do a tour and then the meeting or whatever yeah okay that's we should do that's a field trip yeah uh yeah exactly yeah get there early to tour um is there anything that's missing or that people want change from the list of policies uh items on here okay uh hearing none and then the last one is collaboration um so this awesome you know consistent with last year um I think I added the Human Rights Commission especially around fair housing uh that's a relationship that I'd like to uh to work on this year as well um strengthening that in a long along with the Planning Commission month or permission that I think the Housing Commission has made a lot of strides in developing those relationships and working together possible um and then working with our counterparts and other jurisdictions so in Alexandria Eric has already put me in touch with the chair of their affordable housing um advisory commission and so I hope to be meeting with that their chair later this month and then having a conversation or you know potentially doing a joint commission meeting at some point this year if we can figure out the logistics and what that agenda would look like I've done something similar when I chaired the tenant landlord commission with their the Alexandria landlord tenant Relations Board so I think that's helpful because there's a lot of issues that impact both us I know they're very keenly interested in what happens with missing middle and Zoning changes within Arlington as they look at potentially similar things similar things for Alexandria and then members of the public school communities um any comments or questions on collaboration okay uh anticipated schedule um so I did have a question actually for Eric and I I meant to point this out when I sent you the draft um the email report um who typically develops that oh I did but I can work with you on it okay yeah um um and your Pi start to get emails from Ken I think he was Kendra or one of one of the folks like the staff books for the county board usually we'll send an email like or you know like okay I gotta work on it so that should be pretty soon other unrelated reminder because we think of the County Board everybody has to do their ethics uh uh things by the end of the month is it the uh Financial disclosure yeah I just think technically up here yep I mean I don't think you have to worry about January we don't have an action item here um and then you know you just you know I always try to get folks to volunteer and then you know some months we need books and sometimes books we need sometimes we need two books and a lot of books we don't need anybody because it just depends so I like that you sit around like a Sign Up Genius last year yeah which is definitely I thought that was helpful because then it pops up a reminder for the day you sign up for okay uh yeah Eric I can figure out what you did last year I just did a simple I just went to the candy board meetings I did all the Saturdays yeah I had primary and secondary you could sign up okay and then at every housing commission meeting I tried to be like we do need to do or we don't need you and just kind of figured it out you know okay then it sends a reminder like a certain number of days before so you get in your email so you kind of some massaging but just having somebody in place yeah just a quick note bhda is no longer being uh um make it like the most useful conversation yeah from the bottom phda Line Tech application oh okay yeah but they usually post like the new qap and manual like December January okay so I guess um not that you couldn't talk through it later but if it were to be a little bit more like when it got released that might be a better early in the year cut forward okay um but that's what they usually work okay not suggesting adjusting everywhere uh yeah we can figure that out um I also did want to do a review of the charter I had a couple changes might be controversial I think we should officially change our name to Housing Commission instead of the lengthy name that no one uses for um our commission but we can get into that later um um but okay so are there any other questions or comments about anything on this I'll send up I'll send out the Sign Up Genius um so that we can have people volunteer for uh representation at County board meetings um there's a couple edits uh they're brought up like changing Virginia Housing um adding the affordable housing ordinance like re-examination in here um but are people comfortable with approving it with the name's going to be added later as opposed to waiting to officially approve it next month do I have a second okay then we then we can I'll do a roll call for this one okay all right so um voting to approve this as amended uh commissioner Burkey yes okay uh commissioner Blake yes okay um and I also realize I have not introduced commissioner Blake yet who's new so apologies for that we'll do that after this um commissioner Brown uh Mr Edwards is also absent right yeah uh commissioner Heming here yes uh Commissioners um I vote Yes yes yes uh commissioner Montgomery yes okay commissioner Norris yes commissioner rubel calva yes and commissioner service yes okay great that passes um thank you very much and um yeah so with that uh belated introduction um of Nikki um Blake if uh commissioner Blake you wanna um introduce yourself to the rest of the commission and again apologies for not doing this at the start of the meeting um when I should have but uh commissioner Blake was appointed in December um by the County Board to join our commission thanks Dad really happy to be here and apologies I couldn't join you all in person I had a pre-planned and I'm actually in uh Big Bend area in Texas so just glad it worked out with the signal and everything but yeah just really glad to be here um I'm looking forward to working with you all um I just recently returned to Arlington well not recently about two years ago now um I moved here after grad school um and so just glad to be back and looking forward to being more involved great we're happy to have you sneaky um and so next item on the agenda we have the development updates yes so um a couple very quick um updates tonight um first on Queen's Court which was actually shown during the presentation earlier today um a couple um bullets on that so shortly before the new year the county received about 1.5 million dollars in construction cost savings um for the Queen's Court development um so as a reminder Queen's Court contains 249 affordable units in the Roslyn area and was approved for a total um 16.7 million dollar AF loan or about 67 000 per unit um and the 1.5 million in cost savings will be applied towards the Queen's Court they have loans so um that uh good news story there um Crystal plus five as well um that's the one that the site plan that we heard back in November it was delayed due to a public notice error so you will see that on the County board agenda for this month um and then that is it um for development updates other than what's on the sheet if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them or uh work with those Projects please so uh any questions on development updates okay um last item on the agenda then the subcommittee reports um and I know you said the next meetings in February for the homeownership subcommittee all right it's February 17th it's 8 30 in the morning an hour and a half uh anything else you want to provide on that or I don't know I don't know what last meeting it's just more information but it's all on the website it's great information I think the next step is community engagement correct yeah okay great um any other questions or comments on that and that's just for the home ownership okay I don't think any of the other subcommittees have met since our last minute right no there's nothing going on in plan links and bull bars I mean dude that I'm aware of right I haven't seen anything yeah and then but for the 2500 Wilson um I have a another meeting it looks like uh commissioner Mitchell gray is your backup yeah um I mean I I plan to attend also the length um I just haven't heard anything since when was it because they canceled November they they kept on changing it in November um and then I haven't seen anything that's what I was looking at which one but um marker yeah the Langston one I don't I haven't seen much about that uh is that a question for me yeah Margaret are you able to make the meeting on January 31st since you are listed the alternate the 2500 Suite okay great um and if that changes just let us know what else okay okay that's good um okay anything any other uh some committee reports before we wrap up uh and just uh you all saw that I don't know if I ever we thought that uh uh Andrew Schneider uh stuff down as CEO of Arlington Thrive um Susan Cuddy yeah she's the interim CEO so that's it sounds good I was on the board when we hired Andrew for a good time um okay uh well then I think our meeting is adjourned thank you all very much thank you 00:00:05.030 --> 00:00:05.040 align:start position:0% well sorry for the slightly late start everyone um but I think we will kick it off with public comment and I believe we have one person um for public comment that person online oh and Hector it Mercado to help Translate um so if you would like to start your public comment uh Nora Molina um Hector is on the line to translate for you um so start when you're ready um [Music] gracias thank you I'll start uh Buenas my name is good evening to all my name is Nora Molina is a I have a tenant and member of the team of tenants at Serrano estoy aqui Para desirlesque Los problemas Que I am here to tell them to tell you that the problems of the Serrano continue and also to ask you to una vez maslosita mosque information that we asked that Arlington Housing corporation uh be asked to celebrate or to do a new meeting and report on the issues that we have at hand problemas sobre we also asked that they tell us what they are going to do to solve the problems that we have Como Bank and also what is the county doing to supervise more closely Al senor Mark green Mark Bank on uh we have sent a letter uh uh to one of the members indicating all the challenges we have right now edos potatoes all right again okay muchas familias we have suffered uh separate water Services failures at least three on the last two months and this affected a lot of families and the bottled water provided was not enough during that time or during the emergencies no also elevators that do not work in my building no one was out of service for around the month and the other one also um and discuss uh several problems for elderly and handicapped and also Ninos and families with children includes include included okay Doris for tatiles there was also issues with the provision of heat especially with during the coldest date and even management indicated that they were providing a small Heating units but uh for me and some of my neighbors they in they told us that they weren't uh available management expect us to keep living in these conditions and keep paying the rent Del cervision and they expect they rent complete uh not giving any breaks or uh reductions for the issues they had at hand is Arlington we are asking for your help again so we can receive the same treatment or the same studies of living of other people in Arlington thank you for listening to me uh say something else please yes yeah see you guys foreign color some weekends she doesn't know why that's happening but it happened several times Uno elevator and she wants to read reiterate the issue with the elevator indicating that one of them was broken for a month they did not do any repairs while the other was working but the second one broke and was broken for a week so they were unable to use the elevators for at least a week and they had to use the stairs is and especially if you live on the eighth floor carrying your groceries up and down the stairs going to the laundry room or just accessing the unit it's a great burden is uh she also want to indicate that there is a lot of boxes or items stolen especially when the boxes are delivery and in management indicating they were putting cameras but they don't see any cameras and packages still disappearing um uh also uh what are we paying rent is not uh it's not a small amount and they should treat us better or uh provide more on on that that's what we ask of you said yeah that will be all thank you for listening to me good night well thank you very much uh Ms Molina for coming before us tonight um and providing uh that information about um the issues that you're facing at the Serrano um to update the rest of the commission on some recent events in the last day or so um the voice and some of the tenant Advocates had sent uh an email or a letter to myself in the chair of the tenant landlord commission yesterday um expressing concern about some ongoing issues at the Serrano very similar to what was described tonight um and asking for information from the county about implementation of the calf strategies um uh actions that the the county had released last I think April as well as the County's efforts to implement the recommendations in the Serrano report that the Housing Commission and the tenant landlord commission passed in September so I was able to talk with and Benicia the housing division director this morning as well as Matt D Ferrante and also Marjorie Green from voice and we sort of came to the conclusion that it would be helpful to have um kind of two meetings to address these topics um in the next couple months I'm trying to work around uh when Missy middle is going to come before us which it sounds like Alex is either going to be February or March um and considering that that will probably dominate the entire meeting um that we wanted to schedule around that and then plan Mason Boulevard uh should come before us probably in April um so uh in line with some of the suggestions that um Boyce and the Serrano Advocates had made um we're probably going to invite HC as well as the tenants and Advocates to come speak with us either February or March about some of the ongoing issues and efforts to resolve them as well as hopefully ahc's Redevelopment or Rehabilitation plans for the property so as people may remember the I think the three-year extension of the loan sort of coincides with the 10-year requirement that they have to own the property for that long before they can apply for lie Tech credits to basically redevelop or you know rehab the property and I know that at has been working with the county to figure out what that's going to look like um for next year uh so I think it'd be helpful to get a better sense of that and I think a lot of the issues that were described um tonight as far as the water shut off emergency maintenance is happening because the building's just deteriorating and that's not going to stop happening until there's a major Redevelopment of rehab um so uh that's kind of one agenda item that I'd like to do and then the second would be to invite County staff before us to provide an update on the implementation of the cap strategies document probably in May so they're going to be releasing an annual report in April um with information about how they've been working to implement um their cap strategies document and hopefully the recommendations from our report as well um but since that's when plan Lakes Boulevard will come before us and again I would expect that to probably dominate discussion and all of our time during the April meeting um then we would be looking at May for having a discussion about um the County's efforts to work on oversight improved oversight of the cap properties um so I also plan to reach out to HC um to meet with their representatives to talk through some of the concerns raised um and uh also from my conversation with anthonycia um I believe staff is also planning to follow up and see if there's a more active role that they can play um to uh mediate between uh AC and the properties and resolve some of these issues that appear to be ongoing yes Eric um okay so a couple thoughts real quick because I know we need to move ahead with the agenda yeah I mean the um I think that sounds good um I think the staff update could probably be folded into a meeting like that makes sense maybe the one that we're already having um I just it's a suggestion it seems to me that having a meeting talking about these issues with the advocates in HC would probably be its own meeting that's just that's a whole meeting like that's that's a whole meeting and maybe even more than one meeting um the other thought is I'm glad you highlighted the water um issues and the heating that seems to be the most egregious um and I would prefer if we I mean we should talk about them in a systemic kind of way but like um it was really it's been really cold like there's been some really cold days right and uh people need heat and that's an old building and they have issues but like like who can the county look into that I don't know you don't know the answers it's called but can the county look into this like there needs to be heat in these units um and if there are water issues and I think where a lot of folks here familiar with the issues of Serato structurally it's not a it's not a great building but um big water um so can we do something now I think these meetings are important but like we can't wait on this stuff yeah yeah so it sounds like part of the challenge is that um agency has made some efforts to provide like bottled water when the water's out for like an entire day yeah um but from what the tenants and Advocates have said that that's basically on if you ask for it it's not just provided so it's if you call the office and say I want bottled water they'll say oh we have some available but they're not broadcasting to all the tenants again that's that's my impression um from conversations and from what they provided in the letter and Alex can you send that a report out the letter to the rest of the commission thank you um and I think with the heat as well I think they were making some like space heaters available but not to everyone it was just like if you're called to ask for it um and especially for low-income tenants or tenants you know who um their immigration status lends itself to not being super comfortable confronting Authority and um you know they're the ones who end up suffering when things are sort of proactively provided yes I'm just trying to wrap my right around this because didn't this happen in 2021 we had a whole bunch of weeks 20 to that building for at least five years that would be generous probably much more many many years than that yeah so are we at the point where we question or the calendar the question whether this building is livable with all these problems and if it's not if they get someone out there and say you know what at this point uh a whole renovation or the just whatever they come up with we need to relocate every tenant because it was like tenants who had major issues who wanted to leave last but now the tenants that are still there um now they coming back full circle they have the major issues I mean it's like the whole building wouldn't it be more beneficial just to start from scratch with this building because it's just way too many like series water and Heat that's Theory I think so my my understanding is that um like the the water and the Heat going out are in response to maintenance issues where they have to turn off like the Heating units they have to turn off the water as opposed to like the water is just not there or working um and because they're responding and my my understanding too is that ahc and director bulk has gotten a lot better at addressing the maintenance issues um since the county had intervened and since all that all those things that happened in like 2021 um that you know the mice issues and a lot of the other things like the mold I'm not hearing about that from the tenants or from The Advocates at this point so it does sound like a lot of progress has been made but the continuing like deteriorating state of the building has led to a lot of these like shutoffs that have impacted you know the ability of the tenants to sort of function and it sounds like HC has been very uneven in how they communicate and sort of offer um mitigation efforts around these things so um I think AC is very much of the mindset of like this building needs to be either you know gutted and rehabbed or like tore down and rebuilt um but from a financing perspective they can't start that until after they've owned it for 10 years and that won't kick in until um either next year the year after I Think So the plan is to do that in some form and that's what I'd like to have at come and talk about that and what are their steps to make it livable in the meantime um but yeah I think it's it's more so like uneven access to some of the mitigation efforts that um you know like The Advocates have talked about can you provide bottled water and agency is like oh that's a great idea yeah we should do that and then they start providing bottled water only to people ask for it as opposed to like let's proactively just have a bunch of cases in the lobby and anyone can come down and take out or something um and that seems to be pretty consistent for some reason with ahc that you have this kind of uneven um uh delivery of like if you're thinking about the population that they're surveying they're not always thinking about the people who um don't have the time and the resources to go and like demand things or you know get what they need um like how do they still account for those people um and the people who can't afford to go out and just buy bottled water on their own um to things like that they have other property stuff y stuff why can't they relocate the tenants other properties and just I don't know maybe I'm the scarf that you could just keep this building empty until they can yeah [Music] it's gonna be money right yeah they're collecting rent so if they move like if there's no one in that building act like you're right but this is this is shameful like why this it just I remember those meetings between everyone it was horrific like we know in Arlington County if any unit building is without water for let's say a day residents would go wild and would get done it is horrendous that these people in Arlington County one of the nicest places to live one of the safest places to live our residents are getting treated like this this is I I I'm just speechless of how honestly like we left this this company um like manage any buildings showing that the huge disconnect of if you're wealthy you get stuff done if you're poor that to me that's that's what you're showing like and this company just does not okay like it's so it's like I mean I think like but like but they don't like they are letting these people if they need water Oh Come to Us for a week for a no heat for a month it's well I don't think the water's been out for a week that's like a day it'll be out um but still like they're making these people come to them these are probably this is their company this is that these people you know work to to live at this place to get their money to make sure they have a roof over their head and they're getting treated I mean I'm not gonna I don't know and I don't disagree with you like um I I agree with all that pretty much uh I guess I would just say I do think that like we're talking about HC I think we really do need in college that like they have done a lot should they have been in that place in the first place like absolutely not like I think we do have to acknowledge that like there's been a lot of improvements but clearly there's a huge trust deficit that remains at the very minimum right and that's that's right um and so I agree with you I just you know the there there's been a lot they've done like Helen was saying we're not hearing about mold you know we're not hearing about these huge systemic issues but we are still hearing a lot of uh incidents right and we know that if we're hearing about 10 incidents there's probably a hundred going on because only about 10 or whatever probably ever makes it right um and so I know Kellen has to move on with ours and I just uh I I want to chime in because like there's a sense of urgency and see that kind of struck me especially with the heating [Music] issue one one last thing with that and then you got to move on why do they have why can't time frame be tweaked because of the issues that are going on whether they have to wait the 10-year why can't that if we can't move it on that end why can't we move it on this end Ken do you have more interesting money I know it's a rule but it rules those are okay whatever let's go I just wanted to also like lift up just the urgency we have another six or eight weeks I appreciate that we're going to have some meetings with the manager but by the time those actually make it down to like impacted people um I worry something serious would happen we could all look back and say damn we all should have moved quicker right and so what's what's like the short-term fix I mean do we you know ask PhD to make sure they have a certain amount of heaters on demand we ask the county to you know like maybe provide some emergency funding what's like the short-term fix if the power goes out again for an extended period over the next six weeks I think it's a good point and I think you know County staff is definitely planning to re-engage like and Venezia she reached out to me you know the same day that we got this email um and when we talked this morning she said part of the reason why the county wasn't involved is because they haven't gotten any complaints um to the county so these the county hasn't really been following it because uh residents at this round haven't been reaching out the county to say here's this issue um there's you know exactly why they haven't been reached out to the county versus just trying to deal with it directly with ahc I'm not sure um I know the other thing is that apparently the relationship between some of the advocacy groups and Drug earn law like deteriorated a bit last year and AC had asked The Advocates to stop interacting directly with the property management firm and just go to AFC like corporate um if they had concerns and so there seems to be some communication issues and some other things but my impression from Ann is that the county does plan to re-engage and figure out like what is the best role for the county to step in and start mediating and I think you know we saw back in 2021 like there's a lot of power with that when the county says hey this is a priority we want to fix this things happen um and so I think you know Ann and her team are trying to figure out what's the best way to to work with both the residents and ahc to resolve this to make sure that you know any of our calf residents are dealing with these types of issues all right I want to try to wrap this up so this is micropos I because I think I think we generally agree something we should have like long term with meetings but also like so I'm going to make a motion that um that our chair uh uh uh sent a letter on behalf of the commission to HC copy uh our housing director and copy you know chair Dorsey whoever you all think needs to be copied and the letter basically says you know we have heard we heard one person in our Housing Commission meeting we have also heard about the community that there are issues including those involving water and heat you know the thought and exclusive list um and you know can you please look into this immediately and follow up in you know short order basically and my motion also says that I give different to the chair to figure out kind of whatever else sounds reasonable that or I think that will help our housing division of the Housing Commission itself has said uh so that's my notion okay um I don't have a list of uh all the Commissioners in front of me um but Alex you helped me out with the Roll Call back to you okay um so we'll start with uh so this is voting uh to approve the motion that was just brought by commissioner Burkey and seconded by commissioner rubikova yep uh and so uh commissioner Burkey I vote Yes okay uh commissioner Blake who I think is on the line yes uh Junior Brown okay um commissioner Edwards uh commissioner heminger yes with uh just a brief comment um like I just want to be as clear as I can that we need the county to move as urgently as possible I have an obligation with the NAACP those buildings are almost all communities of color if HD or the county doesn't move quickly then we are going to mobilize the double ACP we're going to cause a big rocket so whatever we can do on behalf of those residents I think we have to do it but redundantly yes okay uh commissioner Lee virtual if he is on but I don't see okay uh commissioner Macbeth I vote Yes yes uh commissioner Midfield right yes uh commissioner Montgomery yes commissioner Norris yes uh commissioner yes and then commissioner service yes then uh I did not miss anyone right okay that passes unanimously um thank you uh so yeah I will work on that thank you okay well that takes care of public comments um next we have approval of the notes that letter will go out I know you need help I'm happy to I hope that I just there's I don't know I hate to say that people's lives are on the line but it's been so cold and uh I can work on it tomorrow and hopefully get a draft out to the commission like this weekend um if that works for people yeah okay uh any edits to the the minutes okay do I have a motion to approve I'll second that motion okay um do I have oh we have a second um I don't think we need to do we have to do roll call for every Vote or can we just do um like unanimous consent for one person okay right yeah yeah but then you could have to go through the people individually up here okay um but yeah you could do in the room a versus a and then okay um so I guess for all those in the room uh raise your hand if you approve the minute um uh all those uh not uh approving the minutes um please raise your hand okay any abstentions in there okay so one Ascension uh and then for the folks online I guess we have um Nikki Lake yes I think that's Nikki and raising your hands um and then who is the other one Margaret okay uh commissioner okay also raising your hand okay um so uh one Obsession and the rest thank you okay uh next item on the agenda is uh information update about crystal houses so we have we have Chris uh demonsis with the county here um so I'll give it over to him thank you good evening everyone um there's a PowerPoint presentation that I believe is being pulled up I'm going to kind of kick it off and give a little background for those who may need a refresher or new on the Housing Commission or haven't heard about this in a little while but there's been a lot going on in the background so want to want to update everyone and so I believe Mitch you're going to share the person who um controls the meeting please allow me to share the screen is that possible to do everyone they doesn't look like I'm able to oh I'm just kidding sorry guys okay can you guys see that yep perfect thank you take it away Chris all right uh let's start with the next slide please excellent um so for way of background um and context setting um this is Crystal houses located in the Aurora Highlands neighborhood uh was acquired by Washington housing Conservancy in the end of 2020 um in a unique transaction that involved Amazon as well as jbg financing in existing property of around 828 units and two towers mid-rise Towers um with significant surface parking and um and a pool that you can see there simultaneous to that acquisition Amazon an affiliate of Amazon actually acquired the infill development rights via an option agreement so this was an already entitled infill development that was was entitled under a different market rate for-profit developer and um and they acquired those rights for 40 million dollars for option consideration um what then occurred was a was a unique real estate transaction with the county in um insofar as Amazon's affiliate assigned those development rights to the county via an assignment agreement with a whole slew of conditions as you can imagine everything from how the RFQ worked to um to a very aggressive development timeline for the affordable units I should also mention that when they acquired the site whc put an overall Covenant on the site for 75 percent of the units to become affordable units take those units affordable officially for 99 years and and so those kind of those covenants came through in the assignment agreement so so what was going to be market rate infill of roughly 800 units um it became 75 essentially um affordable housing which which is really a very unique structure anywhere so with with the County's assignment agreement went forward through a rigorous and long uh development selection process and we'll we'll Show a slide that has some of the process on there um just by way of background and selected the two development partners that are that are on this um that are on this Housing Commission UIA and APPA who will be taking this through pre-development development delivery and ownership in the next roughly five to seven years so our next slide please so this is a an illustrative of the site plan as it was um entitled in in December of 2019 a year before whc acquired it a number of infill buildings on what are essentially surface parking lots um and and most of this will become affordable housing and with a mixed income um as well as some market rate uh on on the property um the another unique aspect of this is is during that entitlement process ch5 which is which is located right down there on 22nd Street was actually um agreed to be donated to the county for affordable housing as as a way to in exchange for the bonus density that was that was earned um for for the entitled infill so so that is actually in County ownership it's currently a surface parking lot that's used by Restaurant Row on 23rd Street and um and is slated for 4 housing will get into more of that detail later next slide please thank you and this is a little bit about the process started with a request for expressions of Interest which is really just to try to get a universe of potential developers this was a national scale development advertisement a number of groups responded to the RFQ which was the next step in the process we had 16 teams and 29 representing 29 unique developers from you know as as far away as you know Illinois Florida New York a number of different areas went through a rigorous selection process with an interdisciplinary team in the county that down selected to seven teams for the RFP which which took place in 2022 which of which five teams responded to the RFP um from there started a negotiation process that was that was Guided by procurement best practices at the county negotiating with three different teams for what were essentially best and final all offers with with the richest development programs meeting the most amount of goals for the county um and and at the end of last year negotiated a disposition and development agreement um with uh with the team that is here so uh with that I'll turn it over to I believe eya is next so so it turned over to Jack thank you thank you so much uh good evening thank you Commissioners for your time my name is Jack Lester I'm a partner at eya and I'm joined by my colleague Karen Garfield who's our head of multi-family uh development at eya I a couple of things um we're super excited to to be working on this project we understand how important this is to the community um and and we don't take that for granted and we're really excited to be working again with oppa and and the county on on this project the other thing I'll say is when I saw the final form of presentation I noticed there's 20 eya slides and I think four or five APA slides we don't have an outsized role here we are led by our teammates at APA we do have a lot of experience but uh I'm mindful of your time I'm going to go through them quickly if I talk too fast stop me and if I miss something we can ask at the end so um let's go there so we're into our 31st Year we're a um uh uh Bethesda based uh 100 person company that develops uh infill development projects in the DMV uh we you'll see a little bit later we have a deep um history with mixed income and affordable housing and we think we bring a really unique perspective uh to meeting you know to meeting those affordable needs let's go to the next slide these are the four areas of capability in incompetence in our company uh we work on all of our entitlements are um uh challenging and complex uh we by the nature the work and where we do it uh that's the case we do infill development we were doing infill 30 years ago when people didn't know what the term infill meant and so we were really a Cutting Edge in bringing people back into urban areas uh with the product and when you go into neighborhoods like Old Town Alexandria or Capitol Hill where they have 350 or 250 year histories we've got to be sensitive to our surroundings that's in our DNA uh and that's what's uh we've been really successful working with stakeholders uh you see large-scale Master planning public-private Partnerships like this one and again I mentioned uh and we'll go into some detail about some of our mixed income um developments that we've worked on next slide please our core values um you know I'll just take a second Integrity determination Excellence Innovation we um we try to live these every day uh we're so pleased to be partnered with oppa who through our collaboration on a on a project in the district uh we've learned and I hope they have that we share many of these same core values thank you this is a graphic representation of the developments the communities uh that we've built you're familiar with the um with the metro map and the uh so we we've we've stayed in Phil uh and in a long Transit that's been a big part of our history um and I'm happy to talk about any of those projects maybe there's some there that you know and I do have some individual slides um so we have experience in Virginia uh our experience in Arlington was in our very early days uh but more recently in in Virginia uh more generally we did the the Town Homes at um at the Mosaic District and I guess um one of the things we were the first ones in there and this isn't all all of these points I'm making may not be relevant for the uh crystal house but the point here was before there was a Mosaic District and it was just a you know kind of a concept that was moving forward we were able to build a story and get folks uh to buy for sale housing there that really provides and this is true in all neighborhoods stability uh folks that are are buying are looking at a much longer timeline and so they are willing to come into communities that are evolving and developing and that was the case there and really kind of set the pace for for mosaics um success and continued success I think Edens would tell you that next slide Robinson Landing this is an iconic project that we are just now completing we've completed the construction within the last three months and I think we have one more home to sell clearly this is not affordable housing but this was a really um you know challenging entitlement you know coming into Old Town Meeting the the various historic uh requirements very complex financing Super Creative Design and I think the thing we're most proud of here is how we were able to and have been able to open up the Alexandria Waterfront which had really been closed off to the public for you know uh Generations uh the last project is uh in Virginia I think that I'm going to talk about two more um Reston station uh this is the example here this is an ongoing project will be sold out here in the next uh 60 to 90 days this was taking um reusing office uh an existing office building that uh who's uh that became Obsolete and we were able to create with jbg uh a much more um integrated and uh mixed uh mixed-use development at the Metro in Reston in the last Virginia project is ramp Park this is a missing middle uh development uh for this region and here was an opportunity again we worked with a with Federal realty they were shrinking the footprint of their uh shopping center so again a reuse not of office like the earlier example but a reuse of evolved and too much in fact retail taking a surface parking lot and turning it into a 177 for sale homes I'm going to touch now on our mixed income experience um the next is a list of the the projects uh or or the folks that we've worked with so in the in the center section we've worked and I'll share a couple of slides um with arha Alexandria Redevelopment Housing Authority uh Karen will talk a little bit about our experiences and our relationship with the housing opportunities Commission in Montgomery County we're now working on our second project with the D.C Housing Authority the Redevelopment of Greenleaf Gardens we were integral and I'll talk a little bit about it our our project at Capitol quarter you can see some of the Investment Partners that we've had as well as some of the non-profits that we've worked with next slide so I won't say much about this EX on the technical side except to say as I alluded to this is an important part of who ey8 is we uh the folks that come to work at eya love the creativity that we bring the the kind of the coolness to some of our uh market rate projects but they also come for this kind of mission element of of what we do and we think we we bring something different than traditional affordable housing developers do we we have a Keen Eye for the market and we'll see in some of the examples where where we've not turned the model on its head but we've we've made communities where um and created value in the for sale or the market rate for sale portions of the project that can then leverage and be invested into the affordable portions of the of of the project so let's go to the next slide maybe I can give a better example so here's a good example this is a partnership and Karen jump in if I get it wrong but I'm kind of rolling uh so this was a project that we did with hoc they owned 70 plus or minus um obsolete Garden Apartments on this site that is near the new purple line in Montgomery County and uh they reached out to us and we were able to develop a plan that leveraged the value of the 62 market rate town homes that we built you see that in the upper right hand corner in the the value that that generated was the equity for hoc to invest and we led the development of a 200 unit mixed income affordable bill building that they owned so again being really creative getting a challenging entitlement getting this appropriate density in this location creating the value in their land and then turn and then turning that land value into Capital to invest in additional uh affordable homes next slide Chad and swear this was really the start of our um entry into mixed income housing um that this was kind of groundbreaking in its in in how we approached um mixed income housing the thing that's here and you'll see it on another slide is you can't tell the affordable homes and this is a public housing affordable from the market rate home so we sold and I don't know the prices at the time this is probably going back 15 to 16 years but homes that sell for 1.5 million next to um a public housing apartments and so that's how we were able to create that value that then the Housing Authority can leverage into even more and better affordable housing next slide this was our second development uh very complex seven um with our very complex uh challenging entitlements same thing uh it's nearly impossible for the untrained eye to identify the million dollar town homes from the those serving public housing residents and again leveraging that land value and creating more and better housing for the community and next one Karen I'm going to ask you to jump in this is an hoc but you could talk a little bit about what we're doing at HSC with on West Side sure so West Side Shady Grove is at the Shady Grove Metro um it was actually eya letter Master planning effort with Montgomery County um and uh developed 400 Town Homes uh and then there are three multi-family buildings uh the one on the upper right in that site plan is the daily which is um was 30 percent affordable um the next building is the Laureate which we are partners with hoc housing opportunities Commission of Montgomery County and that is 30 affordable um 25 mpdus and five percent Workforce and then there's a third multi-family building which we are in the nascent stages of um of you know getting that ready for construction the Laureate will deliver um actually in April of this year so we're extremely excited about that but I think it's a great example of um you know a truly mixed income project that you know the the photo on the rendering on the upper left is you know it's a really beautiful building and that goes for the uh the the one at Chevy Chase Lake uh as well the Lindley I mean spectacular uh the units are in you cannot discern um market rate from affordable here uh is the last project that we'll talk about with mixed income any of you who've been down to the Navy Yard maybe gone to a Nats game might know the the town homes there this was a project we did with the Housing Authority in the District of Columbia uh approximately 330 uh homes there were a third of them were public housing affordable um a third uh approximately a third Workforce and then the other third uh market rate and again leveraging being able to create a community where you can get the full value for that market rate so you can subsidize the the workforce and support the affordable housing and we came up with some really cool architectural designs I'll just take one second on it because this is the way and I won't take credit for it because I'm not that creative but this is the kind of creativity we apply to to to difficult challenges so here we we have a community of row homes uh what in fact if you were to look at the the three row homes what you would find is multiple Flats in those so we from the exterior they're indistinguishable but we're able to uh provide more housing for more families in this mixed income community with Creative Design and I think the last slide Karen is really just about our multi-family expertise in our pipeline I'll take a second on it but we have uh it's an important part of what we do people know us mostly for our Our Town owned communities um because you know the apartments can seem like a commodity uh but we've got a really robust Pipeline and much of it is what we would call kind of impact housing that uh substantially that has a substantial amount of affordable housing in it so um that is it and I'm thank you for everyone indulging um me and I'm going to take it from here Jack you're a tough act to follow but um the folks at the Housing Commission know APPA pretty well so that's why we tried to keep our slides um to a smaller number but first and foremost Carmen Romero I'm the CEO at APPA I've been at APPA for 12 years but only in this role for about a year and a half now and relevant to this conversation I'm also a 25-year resident of Arlington County so I get the privilege of living and working in this incredible community and this is a special opportunity for us to be selected by the county to work with a developer that we admire so so much as we do eya for the work they've done in the region and be able to bring them to our hometown to work together on really a landmark project so this is a really really important um milestone for APPA and we are really deeply committed to executing you know as Chris mentioned on a very complex aggressive timeline project but really this is our sweet spot which is infill Construction in Arlington um I'm joined tonight by Mike Chiappa Mike if you want to wave he's our senior vice president of real estate he oversees both the real estate team we have a 13-person real estate team but he recently took over Asset Management because it's really important to me to know that we're not just worried about when we're building the building the how we're operating the building in the long term and um you know Mike and I've worked together for eight years and we are you know bringing the same passion we're bringing to development now to ensuring that we are um recapitalizing older properties so you all just saw that we closed on the Arna Marbella scattered site renovation that we broke ground on at the end of the year so it's Mike that is helping kind of make sure that that's all happening in in the APPA um in the APPA work plan I'm also joined by Mitch crispell who's our director in the real estate team Mike has two directors you all may remember our good friend Charles Sims is the other director in the real estate team I'm a former housing commissioner um so Mitch and Charles divide up um the entire real estate portfolio and Haley Norris who you know from the Housing Commission is actually going to be our senior project manager on this development so hopefully that you know gets helps you figure out a little bit of how APPA works if you want to go to the next slide Mitch but some stats um APPA today is 2600 homes over 4 000 people call Appa home tonight we have 400 units under construction including 144 units at Boston station that's the church partnership with Central United Methodist Church um that's going to have a 90 unit daycare center in it across the street from the Metro we should you know I that's not one of the projects we're highlighting but that is one that we're really excited to be delivering in the county we also have 1500 units in the pipeline getting ready to close throughout the the DMV our focus and our Niche is 30 to 60 percent of the area meeting income that um and in addition to that wanting to set aside around 10 percent of our units to do Partnerships with permanent Supportive Housing Partners it's groups like doorways for women and children that you know well um a span which was rebranded to I'm forgetting the name now Pathways so we have mousse with non-profit Partners throughout the county so that we are the landlord but they identify them they provide services and we work together to make sure that they have housing within the Apple portfolio um but we're more than just developers you know at our core what APPA is is yes we're very proud of the beautiful buildings that that we build but it's more important to me what happens in the buildings after they're placed in service and we have a 16 person resident services team led by Marquan Jackson who we recruited um in the middle of covet to move here from Detroit actually from the University of Michigan Andover where he was teaching the School of Social Work to come here and Design both programs that can offer housing stability as well as opportunity for APA residents out of the 4 000 people that call Apple home half of them are under the age of 25. so a lot of our focus is around next Generation Um activation and after school tutoring and addressing learning loss and mental health support and food insecurity Marquan and his 16-person team we have one full-time person at every Apple property that has over 100 units now in a campus like crystal houses that's going to look even better and when I think of the Arlington Community High School that's being built on the Amazon campus and the opportunities that can offer residents like ours Apple doesn't have a property in Crystal City with this we will be able to be more connected to that Community get not only the residents that are part of the crystal house Community integrated into all the things that Crystal City has to offer but we could bring folks that live throughout Columbia Pike or along the RB Corridor to get to Crystal City through some of these programs I'm going to turn it over oh and the last point I should make the Arlington partnership for affordable housing is a little bit of a misnomer because we are now serving as of 2017 five jurisdictions including Montgomery County Fairfax Loudon and thanks to eya the DC they selected us to be their partner in our first DC deal that breaks ground next month it's a 90 unit senior housing deal affordable that we are really excited about but I'm going to let Mitch take you through the rest of the slides but we are really excited to be here tonight okay great so I'm just going to highlight two of our recent projects and then give a little bit of an overview of the site and then we'll take your questions um so you probably you guys probably already know about these projects but we're really proud of her really great place that we opened last year 160 units with half of them a preference for veterans um right at the Virginia Square Metro beautiful building beautiful Interiors we're really happy with how that turned out it came to us from the American Legion Post and they've got a 9 a 6 000 square foot space on the ground floor now that they can use a brand new facility you know much better than the place they had before so it's just a win-win for both of us foreign court and Rosalind uh you guys probably remember the the old building the small 39 unit Garden complex that we've redeveloped into our highest density project I think this is probably the best comp for what the crystal house developments are going to look like pretty high density uh right near a metro station uh infill development like Jack was mentioning and we opened this um gosh almost two years ago now and we also developed a public park as part of this you probably know about it already right here and I think that also is a good comp for what we're going to do at Crystal house because there are some there's two parks required as part of the site plan that app anyway are going to develop and so we have experience working with the county on building you know those those public amenities so we're going quick through those because we know you guys know us okay so here's the the last slide and this is really just outlining kind of what is planned for the crystal house development and I'll just start by just claiming that there's a lot still to be worked out in terms of the phasing and the details of each building um but we wanted to just come at this early stage and give you a high level overview of what to expect there and I'm sure we'll be back to give you more details as they develop so I think uh Chris already mentioned this there's the two existing buildings here Chris losses one and two and then there's going to be five new buildings three for four five six seven and eight these will have a mix of rental and for sale uh the the big buildings here will be mostly rental and then over here is where we're thinking about potentially doing for sale it'll also be a mix of family and Senior uh projects so we're penciling for now at least one of the buildings will be dedicated to seniors and then overall the Amazon agreement and the ldta call for 800 about 844 units across the entire site of new density that we're adding of those six at least 655 will be affordable at a range from 30 to 80 Ami it's about half at 60 a quarter at 50 and then uh about 10 about 10 at 80 and 10 at 30. so it's just the rough numbers and there's an exhibit to the ldda that we signed in December that we'll send you after the meeting they kind of give this high level overview so you don't have to worry about the numbers right now but we'll send that out um and we're still figuring out what's you know what mixes in each building and working through some planning processes but that's the high level of the uh the units and the income mix another key part of this development is providing replacement parking for the existing residents so all this land right now is basically parking lots that the the folks who live at Crystal houses one and two are using for for parking so part of the agreement um with Amazon who assigned the option um was that all of those parking spaces had to be replaced in garages of the new buildings so that's something that we'll be providing in the so you know underground parking in these new buildings will be both for the residents of the new buildings and the residents of the existing buildings and we'll make sure that they have parking during construction as well you know we'll probably off-site we're figuring that out as well so we'll deliver these five new buildings and all these units in phases and that's another thing that's still up in the air but all of it is called to be completed by January 1st of 2028 so it'll it'll be uh about five years uh to get it all done and we've outlined in the the ldda exhibit that will send you outlines the expected future ahif requests that we think will be required for each of the affordable buildings some of it as Jack mentioned from precedence some of it will be offset with land value from the eya market rate component so that's a win but there will be a need for ahif and I think um the reason for that is that you know the UNF as you all know unfortunately getting the land donated is just not enough to make these deals work there's still a need for subsidy if we're going to hit all those affordability targets we just mentioned so that's why there will be a need for ahif and the approximate ballpark amounts are outlined in that exhibit and we'll we'll share that with you all right so that's our grand plan 850 units in five years get excited and I think we can take some questions now thank you very much for the presentation um did have a question so I believe this is true the two existing buildings those are going to be rehabbed or like what's happening with those versus just the the new five buildings the two existing buildings will remain in whc ownership my understanding and our understanding from from conversations with jbg and whc is that they're um are roughly 65 don't quote me have already been uh of the units and the existing buildings have already been rehabbed to some degree um that there's roughly 20 million plus or minus in investment that are that's going into the existing buildings um but really that's uh that's that's their um their bailiwick and and their you know they're working to to bring down their rent you know buy down their rents and and and do uh do what they're doing but they're obviously going to be a partner in in this um in this development with with a number of uh all these complexities that we've talked about um future reasonable agreements et cetera et cetera so so obviously they're they're going to be a partner with us okay and so when we're talking about the 850 units total does that only include the five new buildings and those units or does that also include the existing two buildings so that's just the new the new infill development the new the new development the the existing units which I which I mentioned at the beginning is roughly 828 so so you're looking at you know across the whole site 1600 plus units the plan is to keep those market rate so yeah so um essentially when when um whc acquired this they they um self-imposed a self-enforcing uh affordability Covenant to take what were Market rents and over the course of five years um buy those down to Affordable rents um primarily at around 80 percent Ami but but us but about roughly 25 will be 50 or below of the existing so we're talking about ch1 and two right that's not really part of this this uh what what we're presenting here but yeah as a way of background okay yeah thank you for that clarification so I have a question about the homeownership units are they going to be market rate or affordable uh units yeah so it's a great question um we're not there yet uh they would be predominantly market rate and again as uh Mitch was saying we want to we do need to create as much value in the land as we can to help to subsidize all of that replacement parking as well as the rent so I could imagine there's a component of of affordable home ownership we're just uh we just haven't kind of updated uh you know where we need to be in in terms of that but yeah I can imagine a component but substantially market rate [Music] today so I end up process question I think Chris you're probably the one to answer it so what I was um hearing um from Mitchell I think was that you know the idea right now is uh we might be it's not locked in obviously but we're thinking we're thinking approximately 10 of the units that are affordable at 80 about 50 I think is what I heard is 60 uh 25 50 about 10 at 30 I think those are the ball marks we're looking at so you know in in you know a normal development situation right like Alpha comes they got the property they're coming to us for an ahif request whatever this is different because there's been this assignment that we that the county got and the county had this obviously this competition and then selected the development Partners so like uh from a process standpoint like how much discretion do cya and apple have over things like income mix versus the county saying we would prefer this versus this because you know in a regular situation Apple would say well this is what we're proposing because this is what makes sense and kind of and then you work it out but this is different we have the county has selected by and app on behalf of account ing walk us through how that's going to work sure so I think um you know Mitch um you know Mitch referenced um sort of a set of we've talked about we talked about them in the DDS sort of a set of minimum um sort of affordability that that that that's based on you know our affordable housing master plan and all the goals that we have and so obviously things change obviously qaps change as you all know um you know we'll have a new qap in another year the incentives could change and and things things move to to how incentives change right for for raising tax credit Equity so so we have to allow some understand understandably some flexibility as projects come down um by phase but but at this point we do have a a fairly Rich uh development program that that is very beneficial from um from from the affordable uh affordable housing perspective where we try to check as many boxes as we can knowing that uh at a level of complexity like this and phasing over time things are going to change and and and we recognize that right so so we'd be working with them um at each at each phase and and how that would Stack Up um versus the the overall development will be the last but you know um the county has had a lot of success with this the six percent Ami units that's like the model is that understood it you know becoming an amateur learning to stop the 60 Ami units are typically is working going to get built um but you know as we build more of them you know a lot of the folks in those units of course uh and I said of course but a lot of them still are getting housing grants to other systems from the county and maybe some federal dollars um I think a lot of folks would be interested in us trying to maybe get away from that hard wiring some some lower you know income restricted units I understand that has to make sense from a financial perspective and I so I would just urge us to really start thinking now as far as like how can we get more not just 50 but maybe 40 or 30 and I understand there's trade-offs so I don't have a number in mind but just really trying to hardwire more than 10 of the units um you know obviously Arlington Community foundation's been leading on this looking at bar crop but I think here especially we got Transit Richard area a job Rich area I'd like to see us lean into more than just the 10 if we can we keep that's my comment that's that's a great comment and I think that's your point is well taken but you know just just so you know we are we are thinking about this and and by way of reference um the number that are proposed at 30 now roughly doubles the the 30 stock that the county has right now just so you have a sense um so so you know looking pretty good um out the gate uh so I'll just say that in response thank you just two quick questions could you pull up page 29 real quick of the presentation yeah would that be all right on the top part of the property uh where the home ownership option would be available I notice that the buildings were split I just wondering is was that like a structural reason or is there anything stopping you from just making one long building there would that give us more units I was just wondering what the yeah we're studying we're studying that yes we're looking into it okay but if the approved plan that was a very critical component from the 4.1 approval okay we're kind of inheriting what they did there and I think a mid-block path was like okay gotcha the second question and partner had to step away but I did want to acknowledge this I appreciate the focus on Child Care um what about like high-speed internet has that been part of the thinking across the campus once it's all built out has made a commitment to provide free high-speed internet to all of our residents across our portfolio for new for our new projects so yes that will be a part of this perfect thanks so much our possibilities this is not for something like for us on the call but I'm just thinking about this and this is just kind of the way my brain works but like I'm listening to eyas presentation and it makes perfect sense with the market as we have it there's these like pretty expensive market rate properties we're getting value from that we're doing this is what we talked about in affordable housing and it's just like another kind of aha for me of like oh this is why it's important we pursue maybe like use in other things where you've got this this this uh middle uh well you know use the other word for it but we have this this policy Gap that's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger because in order to get the units on a lower income scale you've got to just keep pushing up the value of these units up here and so it's like it's great but it's also like creating a separate problem we need to solve so it has nothing to do with this it's just kind of another aha for me is there any other comments or questions from commissioners okay oh uh it looks like we have a hand up by that might be great uh go ahead doors to call on me yeah okay just making sure um what I wanted to ask is um the partners in this partnership um I'm wondering um I am a member of the Arlington County disability advisory commission and Emma liaison to the Housing Commission and I'm wondering what your philosophy is and implementation expected information to maximize the availability of both affordable as well as market rate um units and these developments for people with disabilities who are in need of fully accessible type A units partly because the affordable housing master plan is is it has a Target that 10 percent of all calf units by 2040 are are are expected the expected outcome is that 10 will be fully accessible and um after also Crystal City being Crystal City and Pentagon City being part of a very important Transit corridor um for people with disabilities who need accessible transportation is very very important so I'm just wondering uh what what ideas you might have for maximizing the building code only requires two percent of the total number of units in a in a building for example but but that's that's a floor not a ceiling so it would be very incredibly um um it would be a model for the nation if if you would figure out maximizing that number that you can get beyond that two percent and Doris we will uh just you know I we've worked together in the past so you know we will work with eya to ensure that um we talk about our philosophy but in the past we've always exceeded the minimum floors of the two percent and tried to strive for you know in in our some of our deals are nine percent deals around the 10 Mark we've been able to hit these are a lot of units and I know we have some senior buildings and typically in the senior buildings we made those 100 Universal Design um so I will get back to you with details and we will certainly talk to eya and and work through that um and circle back and and certainly things like rolling showers and other best practices that we've learned from working with you and the commission we will make sure that we incorporate into the program here and I can just add the floor in terms of the requirement under our development agreement is five percent of all the affordable units being fully accessible and 18 employing Universal Design okay uh thank you doors um any other questions or comments it's exciting it's really exciting thank you very much thank you all very much I did thank you a process question um as far as when this is like this is like for our action we have a sense of so it would be for the first day of the requests um which I'm not sure when that will be but um I'm not sure Chris do you know when we're still determining but it's probably sometime this year we're hoping so so stay tuned got a lot to do and so for this this project there's no like sprc so there is no sbrc it did go through a site plan process in 2019 okay um and that's the site plan that they're working with currently and um I don't know the project as well as Chris said I don't want to speak to it but there probably are some small tweaks to that site plan that will be proposed um going forward okay thank you um next next up on our agenda we have the Housing Commission 2023 work plan um and this is for Action um and so this work plan um is uh sort of tweaking of the the plan that we had approved last year um and incorporating uh the feedback that Commissioners had made in this at our December meeting about things that we would like to focus on and I can briefly sort of highlight how um I'd Incorporated those in here so uh the first item the oversight of affordable housing properties and reviewing programs and policies to support affordable housing residents uh that has stayed the same but just updated the language to account for um what we had accomplished last year um and then the first bullet following up with staff in the county board on the implementation status of the um the jsac um reports which we talked about during public comment today um and then following up with staff on the implementation status of the long-term strategies document as well and the other bullets I think are largely the same as last year so continuing to promote Senate empowerment looking at um so this one was new examining strategies to advance economic Mobility promote Pathways out of subsidized housing for low-income residents so that was based off of feedback from last meeting and then continue working with the tenant landlord commission other Advocates uh to identify best practice and policy Solutions any questions or comments about a okay uh so for B maintaining and strengthening role as Chief advisor at County Board housing issues so this largely remained consistent with last year but with the addition of the first bullet collaborating with staff to develop an equity framework for the commission and enhance the data presented to the commission to clearly show the impact on and consultation with historically disadvantaged communities so this was also based on the feedback last last meeting um and sort of taking into account some of the discussions where staff when they brought projects to us have talked about what we considered equity and we've asked well can you tell us more about them and said well we don't really have anything to share beyond the fact that we've considered Equity um so to this end too I'm meeting with Samia um the um what is her official title the officer yes uh tomorrow to kind of talk through um what this might look like uh working with staff I've also given a heads up to anthonycia um that this is something I'd like to work with her and staff on figuring out what data currently exists that can be presented to the commission on a regular basis when we get site plans and other projects coming before us um and just how we can make progress with this goal both in the short term in the long term um the rest of the items on here are pretty consistent with uh what was in here in the past and just continuing on with those um any questions around or comments on B I just want to um I guess lift up what you were saying with equity and I like where you're going you talked about like what data is possible but I think as a commission we should say anything that comes before us should come with that accompanied Equity discussion so instead of you know like what's possible if anything's coming before this commission it should also come with that supplemental data that would be mine that's that is my hope whether that's like an equity addendum that gets you know tacked on to like what typically gets presented to us um or in some other capacity it's really calling out like um you know what is the impact of this project on members of the disability Community or impact of um you know uh minority populations in in the neighborhood or what have you and also looking at consultation and highlighting not just like oh we engage with the community but how did you engage with renters how did you engage with um you know black and brown residents and um making sure that we're reinforcing for the county that this is really important to us um and uh making sure that that's part of the public discussion as well I have something yeah so um it was really you know I watched um because I uh yeah because I presented back in December so the the transfer of development rights um uh proposal which was approved with the County Board we heard right um you know there's we had some discussion you know Holly and some other folks had raised some concerns about that and then I went to the County Board and listened to the Hem and they also raised some concerns that I kind of honestly was a little bit surprised about um you know several of the board members seem to be a little bit concerned about how the ordinance is working nowadays as far as our development um developers really always choosing almost always explicitly choosing the ability to contribute to ahif versus on-site units I say I'm surprised because I you know I'd heard in the past from certain folks that they were kind of okay with that because you know the money was great too and we could maximize it so and so forth um and maybe there's a ship and maybe there's not maybe it was just a meeting that's what people said but I kind of sort I would like us to consider revisiting that and maybe the ask is to get math to come to one of our meetings we can talk about it um something like that would be a pretty massive undertaking and it would need to go on the cphd work plan if it were ever to be contemplated but I was just really several of them said this and I was like oh and peta's going up um because I'd always heard we're okay with the contributions we'll do some on-site for bonus density contributions are okay uh generally because of our robust development program now that Alpha is expanding to other jurisdictions and it's harder to do development in Arlington and maybe I don't know maybe it's time to revisit that it's been 10 years right at least 10 at least 10 15 20 are we so you're not just talking about the transfer of development rights because yeah so that was my jumping off point I guess what I'm saying is you play with the language but it essentially you know revisit they could just say revisit with our liaison you know if if the County Board is even considering you know re-examination of of the ordinance and its structure it's not in the work plan that I'm aware of um and so this is like just the tiniest beginning of a conversation I I know last year there was talk of revisiting it and a decision was made in the county and among some advocacy groups that that was not the right time to do that um and I think in part that could be the makeup of the general assembly and yeah like and that was not not withstanding that's a pretty pretty major hurdle I mean I remember Arlington Community Foundation and tried to look at this a couple years ago and basically ran into that end as I recall um and I would have a lot of concerns and but look there were like three County board members saying it and I was like wow okay um it came up in that discussion because a lot of folks were concerned about the lack of on-site units in that proposal in Boston so so how long would it take to change something like that I have no idea and I'm not looking at the conversation right now I'm just saying I was kind of surprised um that there was so much interest and really maybe looking at that potentially um it was like a formal directive it was just there kind of going back and forth so hey if you know our electives are saying it maybe you know I don't know yeah I mean I'm no idea happy to add it to the work plan is something that we can look into for this year um maybe it's a conversation with Matt offline hey you know where's where's the mood right now and maybe it's something we've had three years yeah my guess is my understanding from talking to board members is that as far as legislative priorities for the general assembly it's all defense and you're not really you know offense at this point yeah so and anything that tweaks how Arlington does things they kind of want to stay away from because they don't want yeah I'm just pushing you know we're an institution too and like it's always good for us to keep pushing even if we're almost 100 certain the answer is going to be them having to keep hearing the ass okay yes I'm happy to add it there's no Market adjustment or inflation in that as well as well raid that was negotiated 10 to 15 years ago with the same amount that developers contribute today is that right the rate goes up with CPI change each year okay yeah and I say this with I I don't know where I would land out yeah I mean even if it's not going outside of an encounter for now yeah definitely we can add it and we can have that conversation see where it goes um I'm cool with that can I add can I one more thing yeah it's not related to the ordinance at all yep so like uh when I was chairman even before I was chair it feels like every time the budget comes up it's like oh crap the budget's here like trying to get ahead of it and part of it is like the timing I'm not throwing shape but like part of it is just the timing of like when the manager releases like the first draft and then things come out my recollection is that usually hits the streets like the end of January or whatever and then it's kind of like a Scramble for like a lot of advisory groups and so forth so I don't this is not well thought out but I think I'm looking at the calendar now I'm thinking is there any way that we can kind of sort of try to have that like a little bit because what we've heard at least publicly is that the man I think the manager has said the board has said like that AF likely flat which I think is like 17 or something million dollars um it's not all EF I don't know do we want to try to get out of that I don't know if we can but it always feels like no rush uh I agree you're talking about like potentially moving that up to February I don't know I look because we need like we need the budget but we need to something react to yeah and when is the manager releasing the budget to the public I think that's February right or is it the end of January I don't know I I think like because there's those budget hearings and the chairs go so like you should get invited and then you feel like I remember like all three years it was like it got released and then the meeting was like the next week but we hadn't had a meeting so it was kind of this dance of like what do you want I think usually the work sessions are like early March yeah so it's yeah so there you go there's your message no I agree with you I mean and I definitely want to make sure that we you know consider robust budget recommendations I don't I don't know how full it's going to be this year I felt like last year uh we were largely ignored as were the housing Advocates um by the board and the manager uh but um and I know one of the key things that we had asked for was additional staff capacity and we were basically told by the board there's there's no issues with staff capacity which is the opposite of what staff constantly tell us so there's a big disconnect there that no one seems to want to acknowledge um but uh yeah so we can see from my brief conversation with Matt it didn't sound like he was confident that there were the votes to add additional staff to see PhD to address some of the issues on the board so we can always push for it um and I think we should but I'm not super optimistic at this point I won a 31 Erickson because I think it is going to be a very complex process so like I don't think that we would even be able to get even if we had a magic wand all the way through this year but at least we if we do some foundational work this year perhaps that sets us up next year to be able to you know maybe move the ball a little bit brood well or like I mean what we could do is like I don't know if we'll have that budget by the next meeting or not and if we don't like we could at least say like let's go around the table like what are priorities for people that's like an informal understanding or we don't think I don't know if you think about on that but we could we could talk you know it's because it's not just a hip right if you're talking about staff you know housing grants you know there's it's a big budget um and so maybe that's one approach so at least if you're going into like a work session or something you like you got something yeah um I think the the big concern for me is if missing middle is going to be February then you know there's enough points hopefully we'll have to do with Daniel the Planning Commission and uh um but yeah so there's just there's you know some big items hovering over uh our heads on the schedule um that depending when they drop it it's just gonna be tough to find time for anything else but um I I think the point is well taken um and we can we can move discussion of the FY 2024 budget up to February um but I just yeah I don't know it really it will depend on when missing their lands whatever you think any other thoughts on that from members of the commission I'm sorry just from my understanding when there was like two dates like for like for example discussion of 202 housing commissioner and Report February the review and approval and the annual report does that mean there's two meetings or one or what does that mean uh that would be uh during the same meeting um and I think a lot of these like I basically just changed the years um from what was on here the previous year there's some things that I I added or changed around but I think but um yeah and I think so is there not a possibility to splitting some of these meetings uh what do you mean like having two meetings instead of one meeting or yeah we have still you know more information and if we're gonna you know really talk about these things all coming from work etc et cetera to really kind of have fresh Minds for some of these discussions I don't know how anyone feels about it but like you know today is the beginning of the meeting was very important you know I I want to make sure like I mean like the focus is on these things as well thing my two meetings uh where we know we've gone into where it's 11 o'clock at night and about you but I I don't think yeah I think we can certainly discuss that one of the things that I plan to do is schedule one-on-one meetings with each of the Commissioners to you know talk over how things are going and get to know people better uh learn names um and that's something that I'm happy to bring up to like you know do you prefer long paintings or do you prefer you know that we split some things up into two meetings a month I know it's tough because a lot of people they basically sign up for one meeting a month um and yeah you know splitting it into two could be challenging for some people but I think it's certainly worth the discussion and people would prefer to do that versus um you know having a very lengthy meetings at times how long can I just say one more thing I think um you know after having watched a little bit of both those Planning Commission meetings I think it would probably be very important of us to maybe schedule two sessions for that topic or at least have it on that because we have to have public notice right for our meetings and I do not want two meetings but I mean is it hard for anybody to imagine it eating 70 speaker something crazy I just think we should strongly consider having like a second session on the books I don't I don't know talk to Alex so like the last one was 65 speakers yeah so like I don't know can you yeah I don't know um talking about more broadly for meetings that we think could go longer are you if there are decided on too and you still thinking on Thursday because I'm on another commission so I have to oh I am like on this one thing I have just my personal stuff like yeah but I want to be able to focus on these where it is not going into I mean I'm talking and I'm going to be going in but like because we have been there where it's been 11 o'clock at night and they're a very important meeting But I me personally I don't know if if you know starting my day at 7 30 in the morning and then 11 o'clock so the messy middle which I think is very important yeah like sometimes it has to happen you know um and we have people coming like people from Toronto they come to us looking for help um and so I think we have a duty to kind of be more focused for some of these topics is there a way to have like two meetings one that's action items and one's informational yeah I mean I I think we have the flexibility to to add meetings as we you know think we need um which is a question of making sure that that works for the whole commission and that you know people aren't bored with that um I think one of the other things that we can look at is like for missing middle that's probably a good virtual meeting to have a little bit easier to have longer meetings versus in person so we do have that flexibility with those two meetings that we can do virtual um so I think that's when they started all been published I think we can't start before seven I mean this is the this was my my opinion this was one of the very hardest part I mean Collins has been a chair before this is one of the hardest parts about being chair is figuring out and meeting Cadence and how much you could fit in one meeting in subcommittees and all that it's just really hard and when I was chair we had a couple of meetings that were like like pretty bloated and there's really not a whole lot to do about it and so you just try to move things along and you do the best you can and sometimes these meetings go on right because Serrano and you gotta dedicated three and a half hours right and then sometimes you're like let's go guys it's fine you know that's kind of figure it out a little bit but um so I I I trust Colin I think you know Helen will talk to uh Alex and staff and you know figure out something that makes sense how much more do we have like if you can guesstimate uh as far as time yeah well the material like uh I think in another 30 minutes how much how much time would uh development on facing there's not very much offer development updates or some committee uh home ownership no um in February okay so this is yeah so we would Mark the wrap up yeah okay can I just say just sorry now that we've gone down the shirt I would not be a big fan of Jimmy in early like months from month I would just say um except for anomalies that might bring out 16. that is different or like Serato like that's a different situation think of the time that you put on your calendar so it's not always beneficial though yeah um okay uh so I didn't sound like people had additional comments or questions on Part B um and then we started talking about part C which is policy and this is where we really added in all of the items that people had brought up less last meeting um so obviously missing middle one makes it Boulevard um then the Redevelopment of Barcroft as well as efforts to reduce displacement of existing residents um the homeownership study uh comprehensive review housing grants which I'd like to get more information about like what the timeline is for those recommendations this year but um then looking at uh the fair housing which I know we've been talking about forever but that that plan should be dropping any day and that will also be a big giant report that's like a hundred and some odd pages long that people um or maybe a thousand sorry uh yeah I think it's closer to a thousand um about a hundred and uh that will have a lot of great things for us to talk about within this commission and it's hopefully going at some point but there's a they're still waiting on the translation of the final and that's why it keeps being delayed um uh and then looking at eviction efforts um we've added in the affordable housing ordinance um revisiting that and re-examining the transfer development rights um strategies to convert commercial property into residential property I've talked to Alex about having a presentation or briefing from the county on existing efforts um to incentivize that make that easier within the county um and then looking at nofa again um efforts to streamline reduce bureaucratic burden on affordable housing development efforts and then field trips um which I don't know a lot about um but it seems to be it was on the uh work plan last year and happy to look into seeing if we can do a field trip this uh the year which I think is just touring one of the affordable housing properties that was recently um completed is that typically what the field trip consisted of I mean I'm looking around and I think I'm the most tenured person at the table and I don't I it was not it was it still existed a little bit when I joined and then obviously died during pandemic so yeah I mean I don't feel that strongly about it but like you could hey Apple just opened a property um reselling so that we could piggyback on another field trip because you'll think this isn't the CD uh yeah we have an annual there is like an annual kind of round robin right yeah yeah yeah I feel like there's affordable housing right yeah exactly yeah the field trip count as a meeting we're all together so I do think that we're all going to be together together there will be quorum like yeah but the people going up okay oh I do have a question for it but I think what if we post a public notice I think that is I'm not asking whether we couldn't do that I'm asking if it were possible but like if we went to some place like the um the new yeah the new American Legion like is there a space where we get hosted community so is that a possibility we'd have to give public notice but could we do is that possible if we decided hey we want to do a tour and then the meeting or whatever yeah okay that's we should do that's a field trip yeah uh yeah exactly yeah get there early to tour um is there anything that's missing or that people want change from the list of policies uh items on here okay uh hearing none and then the last one is collaboration um so this awesome you know consistent with last year um I think I added the Human Rights Commission especially around fair housing uh that's a relationship that I'd like to uh to work on this year as well um strengthening that in a long along with the Planning Commission month or permission that I think the Housing Commission has made a lot of strides in developing those relationships and working together possible um and then working with our counterparts and other jurisdictions so in Alexandria Eric has already put me in touch with the chair of their affordable housing um advisory commission and so I hope to be meeting with that their chair later this month and then having a conversation or you know potentially doing a joint commission meeting at some point this year if we can figure out the logistics and what that agenda would look like I've done something similar when I chaired the tenant landlord commission with their the Alexandria landlord tenant Relations Board so I think that's helpful because there's a lot of issues that impact both us I know they're very keenly interested in what happens with missing middle and Zoning changes within Arlington as they look at potentially similar things similar things for Alexandria and then members of the public school communities um any comments or questions on collaboration okay uh anticipated schedule um so I did have a question actually for Eric and I I meant to point this out when I sent you the draft um the email report um who typically develops that oh I did but I can work with you on it okay yeah um um and your Pi start to get emails from Ken I think he was Kendra or one of one of the folks like the staff books for the county board usually we'll send an email like or you know like okay I gotta work on it so that should be pretty soon other unrelated reminder because we think of the County Board everybody has to do their ethics uh uh things by the end of the month is it the uh Financial disclosure yeah I just think technically up here yep I mean I don't think you have to worry about January we don't have an action item here um and then you know you just you know I always try to get folks to volunteer and then you know some months we need books and sometimes books we need sometimes we need two books and a lot of books we don't need anybody because it just depends so I like that you sit around like a Sign Up Genius last year yeah which is definitely I thought that was helpful because then it pops up a reminder for the day you sign up for okay uh yeah Eric I can figure out what you did last year I just did a simple I just went to the candy board meetings I did all the Saturdays yeah I had primary and secondary you could sign up okay and then at every housing commission meeting I tried to be like we do need to do or we don't need you and just kind of figured it out you know okay then it sends a reminder like a certain number of days before so you get in your email so you kind of some massaging but just having somebody in place yeah just a quick note bhda is no longer being uh um make it like the most useful conversation yeah from the bottom phda Line Tech application oh okay yeah but they usually post like the new qap and manual like December January okay so I guess um not that you couldn't talk through it later but if it were to be a little bit more like when it got released that might be a better early in the year cut forward okay um but that's what they usually work okay not suggesting adjusting everywhere uh yeah we can figure that out um I also did want to do a review of the charter I had a couple changes might be controversial I think we should officially change our name to Housing Commission instead of the lengthy name that no one uses for um our commission but we can get into that later um um but okay so are there any other questions or comments about anything on this I'll send up I'll send out the Sign Up Genius um so that we can have people volunteer for uh representation at County board meetings um there's a couple edits uh they're brought up like changing Virginia Housing um adding the affordable housing ordinance like re-examination in here um but are people comfortable with approving it with the name's going to be added later as opposed to waiting to officially approve it next month do I have a second okay then we then we can I'll do a roll call for this one okay all right so um voting to approve this as amended uh commissioner Burkey yes okay uh commissioner Blake yes okay um and I also realize I have not introduced commissioner Blake yet who's new so apologies for that we'll do that after this um commissioner Brown uh Mr Edwards is also absent right yeah uh commissioner Heming here yes uh Commissioners um I vote Yes yes yes uh commissioner Montgomery yes okay commissioner Norris yes commissioner rubel calva yes and commissioner service yes okay great that passes um thank you very much and um yeah so with that uh belated introduction um of Nikki um Blake if uh commissioner Blake you wanna um introduce yourself to the rest of the commission and again apologies for not doing this at the start of the meeting um when I should have but uh commissioner Blake was appointed in December um by the County Board to join our commission thanks Dad really happy to be here and apologies I couldn't join you all in person I had a pre-planned and I'm actually in uh Big Bend area in Texas so just glad it worked out with the signal and everything but yeah just really glad to be here um I'm looking forward to working with you all um I just recently returned to Arlington well not recently about two years ago now um I moved here after grad school um and so just glad to be back and looking forward to being more involved great we're happy to have you sneaky um and so next item on the agenda we have the development updates yes so um a couple very quick um updates tonight um first on Queen's Court which was actually shown during the presentation earlier today um a couple um bullets on that so shortly before the new year the county received about 1.5 million dollars in construction cost savings um for the Queen's Court development um so as a reminder Queen's Court contains 249 affordable units in the Roslyn area and was approved for a total um 16.7 million dollar AF loan or about 67 000 per unit um and the 1.5 million in cost savings will be applied towards the Queen's Court they have loans so um that uh good news story there um Crystal plus five as well um that's the one that the site plan that we heard back in November it was delayed due to a public notice error so you will see that on the County board agenda for this month um and then that is it um for development updates other than what's on the sheet if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them or uh work with those Projects please so uh any questions on development updates okay um last item on the agenda then the subcommittee reports um and I know you said the next meetings in February for the homeownership subcommittee all right it's February 17th it's 8 30 in the morning an hour and a half uh anything else you want to provide on that or I don't know I don't know what last meeting it's just more information but it's all on the website it's great information I think the next step is community engagement correct yeah okay great um any other questions or comments on that and that's just for the home ownership okay I don't think any of the other subcommittees have met since our last minute right no there's nothing going on in plan links and bull bars I mean dude that I'm aware of right I haven't seen anything yeah and then but for the 2500 Wilson um I have a another meeting it looks like uh commissioner Mitchell gray is your backup yeah um I mean I I plan to attend also the length um I just haven't heard anything since when was it because they canceled November they they kept on changing it in November um and then I haven't seen anything that's what I was looking at which one but um marker yeah the Langston one I don't I haven't seen much about that uh is that a question for me yeah Margaret are you able to make the meeting on January 31st since you are listed the alternate the 2500 Suite okay great um and if that changes just let us know what else okay okay that's good um okay anything any other uh some committee reports before we wrap up uh and just uh you all saw that I don't know if I ever we thought that uh uh Andrew Schneider uh stuff down as CEO of Arlington Thrive um Susan Cuddy yeah she's the interim CEO so that's it sounds good I was on the board when we hired Andrew for a good time um okay uh well then I think our meeting is adjourned thank you all very much thank you 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:06.349 align:start position:0% well sorry for the slightly late start everyone um but I think we will kick it off with public comment and I believe we have one person um for public comment that person online oh and Hector it Mercado to help Translate um so if you would like to start your public comment uh Nora Molina um Hector is on the line to translate for you um so start when you're ready um [Music] gracias thank you I'll start uh Buenas my name is good evening to all my name is Nora Molina is a I have a tenant and member of the team of tenants at Serrano estoy aqui Para desirlesque Los problemas Que I am here to tell them to tell you that the problems of the Serrano continue and also to ask you to una vez maslosita mosque information that we asked that Arlington Housing corporation uh be asked to celebrate or to do a new meeting and report on the issues that we have at hand problemas sobre we also asked that they tell us what they are going to do to solve the problems that we have Como Bank and also what is the county doing to supervise more closely Al senor Mark green Mark Bank on uh we have sent a letter uh uh to one of the members indicating all the challenges we have right now edos potatoes all right again okay muchas familias we have suffered uh separate water Services failures at least three on the last two months and this affected a lot of families and the bottled water provided was not enough during that time or during the emergencies no also elevators that do not work in my building no one was out of service for around the month and the other one also um and discuss uh several problems for elderly and handicapped and also Ninos and families with children includes include included okay Doris for tatiles there was also issues with the provision of heat especially with during the coldest date and even management indicated that they were providing a small Heating units but uh for me and some of my neighbors they in they told us that they weren't uh available management expect us to keep living in these conditions and keep paying the rent Del cervision and they expect they rent complete uh not giving any breaks or uh reductions for the issues they had at hand is Arlington we are asking for your help again so we can receive the same treatment or the same studies of living of other people in Arlington thank you for listening to me uh say something else please yes yeah see you guys foreign color some weekends she doesn't know why that's happening but it happened several times Uno elevator and she wants to read reiterate the issue with the elevator indicating that one of them was broken for a month they did not do any repairs while the other was working but the second one broke and was broken for a week so they were unable to use the elevators for at least a week and they had to use the stairs is and especially if you live on the eighth floor carrying your groceries up and down the stairs going to the laundry room or just accessing the unit it's a great burden is uh she also want to indicate that there is a lot of boxes or items stolen especially when the boxes are delivery and in management indicating they were putting cameras but they don't see any cameras and packages still disappearing um uh also uh what are we paying rent is not uh it's not a small amount and they should treat us better or uh provide more on on that that's what we ask of you said yeah that will be all thank you for listening to me good night well thank you very much uh Ms Molina for coming before us tonight um and providing uh that information about um the issues that you're facing at the Serrano um to update the rest of the commission on some recent events in the last day or so um the voice and some of the tenant Advocates had sent uh an email or a letter to myself in the chair of the tenant landlord commission yesterday um expressing concern about some ongoing issues at the Serrano very similar to what was described tonight um and asking for information from the county about implementation of the calf strategies um uh actions that the the county had released last I think April as well as the County's efforts to implement the recommendations in the Serrano report that the Housing Commission and the tenant landlord commission passed in September so I was able to talk with and Benicia the housing division director this morning as well as Matt D Ferrante and also Marjorie Green from voice and we sort of came to the conclusion that it would be helpful to have um kind of two meetings to address these topics um in the next couple months I'm trying to work around uh when Missy middle is going to come before us which it sounds like Alex is either going to be February or March um and considering that that will probably dominate the entire meeting um that we wanted to schedule around that and then plan Mason Boulevard uh should come before us probably in April um so uh in line with some of the suggestions that um Boyce and the Serrano Advocates had made um we're probably going to invite HC as well as the tenants and Advocates to come speak with us either February or March about some of the ongoing issues and efforts to resolve them as well as hopefully ahc's Redevelopment or Rehabilitation plans for the property so as people may remember the I think the three-year extension of the loan sort of coincides with the 10-year requirement that they have to own the property for that long before they can apply for lie Tech credits to basically redevelop or you know rehab the property and I know that at has been working with the county to figure out what that's going to look like um for next year uh so I think it'd be helpful to get a better sense of that and I think a lot of the issues that were described um tonight as far as the water shut off emergency maintenance is happening because the building's just deteriorating and that's not going to stop happening until there's a major Redevelopment of rehab um so uh that's kind of one agenda item that I'd like to do and then the second would be to invite County staff before us to provide an update on the implementation of the cap strategies document probably in May so they're going to be releasing an annual report in April um with information about how they've been working to implement um their cap strategies document and hopefully the recommendations from our report as well um but since that's when plan Lakes Boulevard will come before us and again I would expect that to probably dominate discussion and all of our time during the April meeting um then we would be looking at May for having a discussion about um the County's efforts to work on oversight improved oversight of the cap properties um so I also plan to reach out to HC um to meet with their representatives to talk through some of the concerns raised um and uh also from my conversation with anthonycia um I believe staff is also planning to follow up and see if there's a more active role that they can play um to uh mediate between uh AC and the properties and resolve some of these issues that appear to be ongoing yes Eric um okay so a couple thoughts real quick because I know we need to move ahead with the agenda yeah I mean the um I think that sounds good um I think the staff update could probably be folded into a meeting like that makes sense maybe the one that we're already having um I just it's a suggestion it seems to me that having a meeting talking about these issues with the advocates in HC would probably be its own meeting that's just that's a whole meeting like that's that's a whole meeting and maybe even more than one meeting um the other thought is I'm glad you highlighted the water um issues and the heating that seems to be the most egregious um and I would prefer if we I mean we should talk about them in a systemic kind of way but like um it was really it's been really cold like there's been some really cold days right and uh people need heat and that's an old building and they have issues but like like who can the county look into that I don't know you don't know the answers it's called but can the county look into this like there needs to be heat in these units um and if there are water issues and I think where a lot of folks here familiar with the issues of Serato structurally it's not a it's not a great building but um big water um so can we do something now I think these meetings are important but like we can't wait on this stuff yeah yeah so it sounds like part of the challenge is that um agency has made some efforts to provide like bottled water when the water's out for like an entire day yeah um but from what the tenants and Advocates have said that that's basically on if you ask for it it's not just provided so it's if you call the office and say I want bottled water they'll say oh we have some available but they're not broadcasting to all the tenants again that's that's my impression um from conversations and from what they provided in the letter and Alex can you send that a report out the letter to the rest of the commission thank you um and I think with the heat as well I think they were making some like space heaters available but not to everyone it was just like if you're called to ask for it um and especially for low-income tenants or tenants you know who um their immigration status lends itself to not being super comfortable confronting Authority and um you know they're the ones who end up suffering when things are sort of proactively provided yes I'm just trying to wrap my right around this because didn't this happen in 2021 we had a whole bunch of weeks 20 to that building for at least five years that would be generous probably much more many many years than that yeah so are we at the point where we question or the calendar the question whether this building is livable with all these problems and if it's not if they get someone out there and say you know what at this point uh a whole renovation or the just whatever they come up with we need to relocate every tenant because it was like tenants who had major issues who wanted to leave last but now the tenants that are still there um now they coming back full circle they have the major issues I mean it's like the whole building wouldn't it be more beneficial just to start from scratch with this building because it's just way too many like series water and Heat that's Theory I think so my my understanding is that um like the the water and the Heat going out are in response to maintenance issues where they have to turn off like the Heating units they have to turn off the water as opposed to like the water is just not there or working um and because they're responding and my my understanding too is that ahc and director bulk has gotten a lot better at addressing the maintenance issues um since the county had intervened and since all that all those things that happened in like 2021 um that you know the mice issues and a lot of the other things like the mold I'm not hearing about that from the tenants or from The Advocates at this point so it does sound like a lot of progress has been made but the continuing like deteriorating state of the building has led to a lot of these like shutoffs that have impacted you know the ability of the tenants to sort of function and it sounds like HC has been very uneven in how they communicate and sort of offer um mitigation efforts around these things so um I think AC is very much of the mindset of like this building needs to be either you know gutted and rehabbed or like tore down and rebuilt um but from a financing perspective they can't start that until after they've owned it for 10 years and that won't kick in until um either next year the year after I Think So the plan is to do that in some form and that's what I'd like to have at come and talk about that and what are their steps to make it livable in the meantime um but yeah I think it's it's more so like uneven access to some of the mitigation efforts that um you know like The Advocates have talked about can you provide bottled water and agency is like oh that's a great idea yeah we should do that and then they start providing bottled water only to people ask for it as opposed to like let's proactively just have a bunch of cases in the lobby and anyone can come down and take out or something um and that seems to be pretty consistent for some reason with ahc that you have this kind of uneven um uh delivery of like if you're thinking about the population that they're surveying they're not always thinking about the people who um don't have the time and the resources to go and like demand things or you know get what they need um like how do they still account for those people um and the people who can't afford to go out and just buy bottled water on their own um to things like that they have other property stuff y stuff why can't they relocate the tenants other properties and just I don't know maybe I'm the scarf that you could just keep this building empty until they can yeah [Music] it's gonna be money right yeah they're collecting rent so if they move like if there's no one in that building act like you're right but this is this is shameful like why this it just I remember those meetings between everyone it was horrific like we know in Arlington County if any unit building is without water for let's say a day residents would go wild and would get done it is horrendous that these people in Arlington County one of the nicest places to live one of the safest places to live our residents are getting treated like this this is I I I'm just speechless of how honestly like we left this this company um like manage any buildings showing that the huge disconnect of if you're wealthy you get stuff done if you're poor that to me that's that's what you're showing like and this company just does not okay like it's so it's like I mean I think like but like but they don't like they are letting these people if they need water Oh Come to Us for a week for a no heat for a month it's well I don't think the water's been out for a week that's like a day it'll be out um but still like they're making these people come to them these are probably this is their company this is that these people you know work to to live at this place to get their money to make sure they have a roof over their head and they're getting treated I mean I'm not gonna I don't know and I don't disagree with you like um I I agree with all that pretty much uh I guess I would just say I do think that like we're talking about HC I think we really do need in college that like they have done a lot should they have been in that place in the first place like absolutely not like I think we do have to acknowledge that like there's been a lot of improvements but clearly there's a huge trust deficit that remains at the very minimum right and that's that's right um and so I agree with you I just you know the there there's been a lot they've done like Helen was saying we're not hearing about mold you know we're not hearing about these huge systemic issues but we are still hearing a lot of uh incidents right and we know that if we're hearing about 10 incidents there's probably a hundred going on because only about 10 or whatever probably ever makes it right um and so I know Kellen has to move on with ours and I just uh I I want to chime in because like there's a sense of urgency and see that kind of struck me especially with the heating [Music] issue one one last thing with that and then you got to move on why do they have why can't time frame be tweaked because of the issues that are going on whether they have to wait the 10-year why can't that if we can't move it on that end why can't we move it on this end Ken do you have more interesting money I know it's a rule but it rules those are okay whatever let's go I just wanted to also like lift up just the urgency we have another six or eight weeks I appreciate that we're going to have some meetings with the manager but by the time those actually make it down to like impacted people um I worry something serious would happen we could all look back and say damn we all should have moved quicker right and so what's what's like the short-term fix I mean do we you know ask PhD to make sure they have a certain amount of heaters on demand we ask the county to you know like maybe provide some emergency funding what's like the short-term fix if the power goes out again for an extended period over the next six weeks I think it's a good point and I think you know County staff is definitely planning to re-engage like and Venezia she reached out to me you know the same day that we got this email um and when we talked this morning she said part of the reason why the county wasn't involved is because they haven't gotten any complaints um to the county so these the county hasn't really been following it because uh residents at this round haven't been reaching out the county to say here's this issue um there's you know exactly why they haven't been reached out to the county versus just trying to deal with it directly with ahc I'm not sure um I know the other thing is that apparently the relationship between some of the advocacy groups and Drug earn law like deteriorated a bit last year and AC had asked The Advocates to stop interacting directly with the property management firm and just go to AFC like corporate um if they had concerns and so there seems to be some communication issues and some other things but my impression from Ann is that the county does plan to re-engage and figure out like what is the best role for the county to step in and start mediating and I think you know we saw back in 2021 like there's a lot of power with that when the county says hey this is a priority we want to fix this things happen um and so I think you know Ann and her team are trying to figure out what's the best way to to work with both the residents and ahc to resolve this to make sure that you know any of our calf residents are dealing with these types of issues all right I want to try to wrap this up so this is micropos I because I think I think we generally agree something we should have like long term with meetings but also like so I'm going to make a motion that um that our chair uh uh uh sent a letter on behalf of the commission to HC copy uh our housing director and copy you know chair Dorsey whoever you all think needs to be copied and the letter basically says you know we have heard we heard one person in our Housing Commission meeting we have also heard about the community that there are issues including those involving water and heat you know the thought and exclusive list um and you know can you please look into this immediately and follow up in you know short order basically and my motion also says that I give different to the chair to figure out kind of whatever else sounds reasonable that or I think that will help our housing division of the Housing Commission itself has said uh so that's my notion okay um I don't have a list of uh all the Commissioners in front of me um but Alex you helped me out with the Roll Call back to you okay um so we'll start with uh so this is voting uh to approve the motion that was just brought by commissioner Burkey and seconded by commissioner rubikova yep uh and so uh commissioner Burkey I vote Yes okay uh commissioner Blake who I think is on the line yes uh Junior Brown okay um commissioner Edwards uh commissioner heminger yes with uh just a brief comment um like I just want to be as clear as I can that we need the county to move as urgently as possible I have an obligation with the NAACP those buildings are almost all communities of color if HD or the county doesn't move quickly then we are going to mobilize the double ACP we're going to cause a big rocket so whatever we can do on behalf of those residents I think we have to do it but redundantly yes okay uh commissioner Lee virtual if he is on but I don't see okay uh commissioner Macbeth I vote Yes yes uh commissioner Midfield right yes uh commissioner Montgomery yes commissioner Norris yes uh commissioner yes and then commissioner service yes then uh I did not miss anyone right okay that passes unanimously um thank you uh so yeah I will work on that thank you okay well that takes care of public comments um next we have approval of the notes that letter will go out I know you need help I'm happy to I hope that I just there's I don't know I hate to say that people's lives are on the line but it's been so cold and uh I can work on it tomorrow and hopefully get a draft out to the commission like this weekend um if that works for people yeah okay uh any edits to the the minutes okay do I have a motion to approve I'll second that motion okay um do I have oh we have a second um I don't think we need to do we have to do roll call for every Vote or can we just do um like unanimous consent for one person okay right yeah yeah but then you could have to go through the people individually up here okay um but yeah you could do in the room a versus a and then okay um so I guess for all those in the room uh raise your hand if you approve the minute um uh all those uh not uh approving the minutes um please raise your hand okay any abstentions in there okay so one Ascension uh and then for the folks online I guess we have um Nikki Lake yes I think that's Nikki and raising your hands um and then who is the other one Margaret okay uh commissioner okay also raising your hand okay um so uh one Obsession and the rest thank you okay uh next item on the agenda is uh information update about crystal houses so we have we have Chris uh demonsis with the county here um so I'll give it over to him thank you good evening everyone um there's a PowerPoint presentation that I believe is being pulled up I'm going to kind of kick it off and give a little background for those who may need a refresher or new on the Housing Commission or haven't heard about this in a little while but there's been a lot going on in the background so want to want to update everyone and so I believe Mitch you're going to share the person who um controls the meeting please allow me to share the screen is that possible to do everyone they doesn't look like I'm able to oh I'm just kidding sorry guys okay can you guys see that yep perfect thank you take it away Chris all right uh let's start with the next slide please excellent um so for way of background um and context setting um this is Crystal houses located in the Aurora Highlands neighborhood uh was acquired by Washington housing Conservancy in the end of 2020 um in a unique transaction that involved Amazon as well as jbg financing in existing property of around 828 units and two towers mid-rise Towers um with significant surface parking and um and a pool that you can see there simultaneous to that acquisition Amazon an affiliate of Amazon actually acquired the infill development rights via an option agreement so this was an already entitled infill development that was was entitled under a different market rate for-profit developer and um and they acquired those rights for 40 million dollars for option consideration um what then occurred was a was a unique real estate transaction with the county in um insofar as Amazon's affiliate assigned those development rights to the county via an assignment agreement with a whole slew of conditions as you can imagine everything from how the RFQ worked to um to a very aggressive development timeline for the affordable units I should also mention that when they acquired the site whc put an overall Covenant on the site for 75 percent of the units to become affordable units take those units affordable officially for 99 years and and so those kind of those covenants came through in the assignment agreement so so what was going to be market rate infill of roughly 800 units um it became 75 essentially um affordable housing which which is really a very unique structure anywhere so with with the County's assignment agreement went forward through a rigorous and long uh development selection process and we'll we'll Show a slide that has some of the process on there um just by way of background and selected the two development partners that are that are on this um that are on this Housing Commission UIA and APPA who will be taking this through pre-development development delivery and ownership in the next roughly five to seven years so our next slide please so this is a an illustrative of the site plan as it was um entitled in in December of 2019 a year before whc acquired it a number of infill buildings on what are essentially surface parking lots um and and most of this will become affordable housing and with a mixed income um as well as some market rate uh on on the property um the another unique aspect of this is is during that entitlement process ch5 which is which is located right down there on 22nd Street was actually um agreed to be donated to the county for affordable housing as as a way to in exchange for the bonus density that was that was earned um for for the entitled infill so so that is actually in County ownership it's currently a surface parking lot that's used by Restaurant Row on 23rd Street and um and is slated for 4 housing will get into more of that detail later next slide please thank you and this is a little bit about the process started with a request for expressions of Interest which is really just to try to get a universe of potential developers this was a national scale development advertisement a number of groups responded to the RFQ which was the next step in the process we had 16 teams and 29 representing 29 unique developers from you know as as far away as you know Illinois Florida New York a number of different areas went through a rigorous selection process with an interdisciplinary team in the county that down selected to seven teams for the RFP which which took place in 2022 which of which five teams responded to the RFP um from there started a negotiation process that was that was Guided by procurement best practices at the county negotiating with three different teams for what were essentially best and final all offers with with the richest development programs meeting the most amount of goals for the county um and and at the end of last year negotiated a disposition and development agreement um with uh with the team that is here so uh with that I'll turn it over to I believe eya is next so so it turned over to Jack thank you thank you so much uh good evening thank you Commissioners for your time my name is Jack Lester I'm a partner at eya and I'm joined by my colleague Karen Garfield who's our head of multi-family uh development at eya I a couple of things um we're super excited to to be working on this project we understand how important this is to the community um and and we don't take that for granted and we're really excited to be working again with oppa and and the county on on this project the other thing I'll say is when I saw the final form of presentation I noticed there's 20 eya slides and I think four or five APA slides we don't have an outsized role here we are led by our teammates at APA we do have a lot of experience but uh I'm mindful of your time I'm going to go through them quickly if I talk too fast stop me and if I miss something we can ask at the end so um let's go there so we're into our 31st Year we're a um uh uh Bethesda based uh 100 person company that develops uh infill development projects in the DMV uh we you'll see a little bit later we have a deep um history with mixed income and affordable housing and we think we bring a really unique perspective uh to meeting you know to meeting those affordable needs let's go to the next slide these are the four areas of capability in incompetence in our company uh we work on all of our entitlements are um uh challenging and complex uh we by the nature the work and where we do it uh that's the case we do infill development we were doing infill 30 years ago when people didn't know what the term infill meant and so we were really a Cutting Edge in bringing people back into urban areas uh with the product and when you go into neighborhoods like Old Town Alexandria or Capitol Hill where they have 350 or 250 year histories we've got to be sensitive to our surroundings that's in our DNA uh and that's what's uh we've been really successful working with stakeholders uh you see large-scale Master planning public-private Partnerships like this one and again I mentioned uh and we'll go into some detail about some of our mixed income um developments that we've worked on next slide please our core values um you know I'll just take a second Integrity determination Excellence Innovation we um we try to live these every day uh we're so pleased to be partnered with oppa who through our collaboration on a on a project in the district uh we've learned and I hope they have that we share many of these same core values thank you this is a graphic representation of the developments the communities uh that we've built you're familiar with the um with the metro map and the uh so we we've we've stayed in Phil uh and in a long Transit that's been a big part of our history um and I'm happy to talk about any of those projects maybe there's some there that you know and I do have some individual slides um so we have experience in Virginia uh our experience in Arlington was in our very early days uh but more recently in in Virginia uh more generally we did the the Town Homes at um at the Mosaic District and I guess um one of the things we were the first ones in there and this isn't all all of these points I'm making may not be relevant for the uh crystal house but the point here was before there was a Mosaic District and it was just a you know kind of a concept that was moving forward we were able to build a story and get folks uh to buy for sale housing there that really provides and this is true in all neighborhoods stability uh folks that are are buying are looking at a much longer timeline and so they are willing to come into communities that are evolving and developing and that was the case there and really kind of set the pace for for mosaics um success and continued success I think Edens would tell you that next slide Robinson Landing this is an iconic project that we are just now completing we've completed the construction within the last three months and I think we have one more home to sell clearly this is not affordable housing but this was a really um you know challenging entitlement you know coming into Old Town Meeting the the various historic uh requirements very complex financing Super Creative Design and I think the thing we're most proud of here is how we were able to and have been able to open up the Alexandria Waterfront which had really been closed off to the public for you know uh Generations uh the last project is uh in Virginia I think that I'm going to talk about two more um Reston station uh this is the example here this is an ongoing project will be sold out here in the next uh 60 to 90 days this was taking um reusing office uh an existing office building that uh who's uh that became Obsolete and we were able to create with jbg uh a much more um integrated and uh mixed uh mixed-use development at the Metro in Reston in the last Virginia project is ramp Park this is a missing middle uh development uh for this region and here was an opportunity again we worked with a with Federal realty they were shrinking the footprint of their uh shopping center so again a reuse not of office like the earlier example but a reuse of evolved and too much in fact retail taking a surface parking lot and turning it into a 177 for sale homes I'm going to touch now on our mixed income experience um the next is a list of the the projects uh or or the folks that we've worked with so in the in the center section we've worked and I'll share a couple of slides um with arha Alexandria Redevelopment Housing Authority uh Karen will talk a little bit about our experiences and our relationship with the housing opportunities Commission in Montgomery County we're now working on our second project with the D.C Housing Authority the Redevelopment of Greenleaf Gardens we were integral and I'll talk a little bit about it our our project at Capitol quarter you can see some of the Investment Partners that we've had as well as some of the non-profits that we've worked with next slide so I won't say much about this EX on the technical side except to say as I alluded to this is an important part of who ey8 is we uh the folks that come to work at eya love the creativity that we bring the the kind of the coolness to some of our uh market rate projects but they also come for this kind of mission element of of what we do and we think we we bring something different than traditional affordable housing developers do we we have a Keen Eye for the market and we'll see in some of the examples where where we've not turned the model on its head but we've we've made communities where um and created value in the for sale or the market rate for sale portions of the project that can then leverage and be invested into the affordable portions of the of of the project so let's go to the next slide maybe I can give a better example so here's a good example this is a partnership and Karen jump in if I get it wrong but I'm kind of rolling uh so this was a project that we did with hoc they owned 70 plus or minus um obsolete Garden Apartments on this site that is near the new purple line in Montgomery County and uh they reached out to us and we were able to develop a plan that leveraged the value of the 62 market rate town homes that we built you see that in the upper right hand corner in the the value that that generated was the equity for hoc to invest and we led the development of a 200 unit mixed income affordable bill building that they owned so again being really creative getting a challenging entitlement getting this appropriate density in this location creating the value in their land and then turn and then turning that land value into Capital to invest in additional uh affordable homes next slide Chad and swear this was really the start of our um entry into mixed income housing um that this was kind of groundbreaking in its in in how we approached um mixed income housing the thing that's here and you'll see it on another slide is you can't tell the affordable homes and this is a public housing affordable from the market rate home so we sold and I don't know the prices at the time this is probably going back 15 to 16 years but homes that sell for 1.5 million next to um a public housing apartments and so that's how we were able to create that value that then the Housing Authority can leverage into even more and better affordable housing next slide this was our second development uh very complex seven um with our very complex uh challenging entitlements same thing uh it's nearly impossible for the untrained eye to identify the million dollar town homes from the those serving public housing residents and again leveraging that land value and creating more and better housing for the community and next one Karen I'm going to ask you to jump in this is an hoc but you could talk a little bit about what we're doing at HSC with on West Side sure so West Side Shady Grove is at the Shady Grove Metro um it was actually eya letter Master planning effort with Montgomery County um and uh developed 400 Town Homes uh and then there are three multi-family buildings uh the one on the upper right in that site plan is the daily which is um was 30 percent affordable um the next building is the Laureate which we are partners with hoc housing opportunities Commission of Montgomery County and that is 30 affordable um 25 mpdus and five percent Workforce and then there's a third multi-family building which we are in the nascent stages of um of you know getting that ready for construction the Laureate will deliver um actually in April of this year so we're extremely excited about that but I think it's a great example of um you know a truly mixed income project that you know the the photo on the rendering on the upper left is you know it's a really beautiful building and that goes for the uh the the one at Chevy Chase Lake uh as well the Lindley I mean spectacular uh the units are in you cannot discern um market rate from affordable here uh is the last project that we'll talk about with mixed income any of you who've been down to the Navy Yard maybe gone to a Nats game might know the the town homes there this was a project we did with the Housing Authority in the District of Columbia uh approximately 330 uh homes there were a third of them were public housing affordable um a third uh approximately a third Workforce and then the other third uh market rate and again leveraging being able to create a community where you can get the full value for that market rate so you can subsidize the the workforce and support the affordable housing and we came up with some really cool architectural designs I'll just take one second on it because this is the way and I won't take credit for it because I'm not that creative but this is the kind of creativity we apply to to to difficult challenges so here we we have a community of row homes uh what in fact if you were to look at the the three row homes what you would find is multiple Flats in those so we from the exterior they're indistinguishable but we're able to uh provide more housing for more families in this mixed income community with Creative Design and I think the last slide Karen is really just about our multi-family expertise in our pipeline I'll take a second on it but we have uh it's an important part of what we do people know us mostly for our Our Town owned communities um because you know the apartments can seem like a commodity uh but we've got a really robust Pipeline and much of it is what we would call kind of impact housing that uh substantially that has a substantial amount of affordable housing in it so um that is it and I'm thank you for everyone indulging um me and I'm going to take it from here Jack you're a tough act to follow but um the folks at the Housing Commission know APPA pretty well so that's why we tried to keep our slides um to a smaller number but first and foremost Carmen Romero I'm the CEO at APPA I've been at APPA for 12 years but only in this role for about a year and a half now and relevant to this conversation I'm also a 25-year resident of Arlington County so I get the privilege of living and working in this incredible community and this is a special opportunity for us to be selected by the county to work with a developer that we admire so so much as we do eya for the work they've done in the region and be able to bring them to our hometown to work together on really a landmark project so this is a really really important um milestone for APPA and we are really deeply committed to executing you know as Chris mentioned on a very complex aggressive timeline project but really this is our sweet spot which is infill Construction in Arlington um I'm joined tonight by Mike Chiappa Mike if you want to wave he's our senior vice president of real estate he oversees both the real estate team we have a 13-person real estate team but he recently took over Asset Management because it's really important to me to know that we're not just worried about when we're building the building the how we're operating the building in the long term and um you know Mike and I've worked together for eight years and we are you know bringing the same passion we're bringing to development now to ensuring that we are um recapitalizing older properties so you all just saw that we closed on the Arna Marbella scattered site renovation that we broke ground on at the end of the year so it's Mike that is helping kind of make sure that that's all happening in in the APPA um in the APPA work plan I'm also joined by Mitch crispell who's our director in the real estate team Mike has two directors you all may remember our good friend Charles Sims is the other director in the real estate team I'm a former housing commissioner um so Mitch and Charles divide up um the entire real estate portfolio and Haley Norris who you know from the Housing Commission is actually going to be our senior project manager on this development so hopefully that you know gets helps you figure out a little bit of how APPA works if you want to go to the next slide Mitch but some stats um APPA today is 2600 homes over 4 000 people call Appa home tonight we have 400 units under construction including 144 units at Boston station that's the church partnership with Central United Methodist Church um that's going to have a 90 unit daycare center in it across the street from the Metro we should you know I that's not one of the projects we're highlighting but that is one that we're really excited to be delivering in the county we also have 1500 units in the pipeline getting ready to close throughout the the DMV our focus and our Niche is 30 to 60 percent of the area meeting income that um and in addition to that wanting to set aside around 10 percent of our units to do Partnerships with permanent Supportive Housing Partners it's groups like doorways for women and children that you know well um a span which was rebranded to I'm forgetting the name now Pathways so we have mousse with non-profit Partners throughout the county so that we are the landlord but they identify them they provide services and we work together to make sure that they have housing within the Apple portfolio um but we're more than just developers you know at our core what APPA is is yes we're very proud of the beautiful buildings that that we build but it's more important to me what happens in the buildings after they're placed in service and we have a 16 person resident services team led by Marquan Jackson who we recruited um in the middle of covet to move here from Detroit actually from the University of Michigan Andover where he was teaching the School of Social Work to come here and Design both programs that can offer housing stability as well as opportunity for APA residents out of the 4 000 people that call Apple home half of them are under the age of 25. so a lot of our focus is around next Generation Um activation and after school tutoring and addressing learning loss and mental health support and food insecurity Marquan and his 16-person team we have one full-time person at every Apple property that has over 100 units now in a campus like crystal houses that's going to look even better and when I think of the Arlington Community High School that's being built on the Amazon campus and the opportunities that can offer residents like ours Apple doesn't have a property in Crystal City with this we will be able to be more connected to that Community get not only the residents that are part of the crystal house Community integrated into all the things that Crystal City has to offer but we could bring folks that live throughout Columbia Pike or along the RB Corridor to get to Crystal City through some of these programs I'm going to turn it over oh and the last point I should make the Arlington partnership for affordable housing is a little bit of a misnomer because we are now serving as of 2017 five jurisdictions including Montgomery County Fairfax Loudon and thanks to eya the DC they selected us to be their partner in our first DC deal that breaks ground next month it's a 90 unit senior housing deal affordable that we are really excited about but I'm going to let Mitch take you through the rest of the slides but we are really excited to be here tonight okay great so I'm just going to highlight two of our recent projects and then give a little bit of an overview of the site and then we'll take your questions um so you probably you guys probably already know about these projects but we're really proud of her really great place that we opened last year 160 units with half of them a preference for veterans um right at the Virginia Square Metro beautiful building beautiful Interiors we're really happy with how that turned out it came to us from the American Legion Post and they've got a 9 a 6 000 square foot space on the ground floor now that they can use a brand new facility you know much better than the place they had before so it's just a win-win for both of us foreign court and Rosalind uh you guys probably remember the the old building the small 39 unit Garden complex that we've redeveloped into our highest density project I think this is probably the best comp for what the crystal house developments are going to look like pretty high density uh right near a metro station uh infill development like Jack was mentioning and we opened this um gosh almost two years ago now and we also developed a public park as part of this you probably know about it already right here and I think that also is a good comp for what we're going to do at Crystal house because there are some there's two parks required as part of the site plan that app anyway are going to develop and so we have experience working with the county on building you know those those public amenities so we're going quick through those because we know you guys know us okay so here's the the last slide and this is really just outlining kind of what is planned for the crystal house development and I'll just start by just claiming that there's a lot still to be worked out in terms of the phasing and the details of each building um but we wanted to just come at this early stage and give you a high level overview of what to expect there and I'm sure we'll be back to give you more details as they develop so I think uh Chris already mentioned this there's the two existing buildings here Chris losses one and two and then there's going to be five new buildings three for four five six seven and eight these will have a mix of rental and for sale uh the the big buildings here will be mostly rental and then over here is where we're thinking about potentially doing for sale it'll also be a mix of family and Senior uh projects so we're penciling for now at least one of the buildings will be dedicated to seniors and then overall the Amazon agreement and the ldta call for 800 about 844 units across the entire site of new density that we're adding of those six at least 655 will be affordable at a range from 30 to 80 Ami it's about half at 60 a quarter at 50 and then uh about 10 about 10 at 80 and 10 at 30. so it's just the rough numbers and there's an exhibit to the ldda that we signed in December that we'll send you after the meeting they kind of give this high level overview so you don't have to worry about the numbers right now but we'll send that out um and we're still figuring out what's you know what mixes in each building and working through some planning processes but that's the high level of the uh the units and the income mix another key part of this development is providing replacement parking for the existing residents so all this land right now is basically parking lots that the the folks who live at Crystal houses one and two are using for for parking so part of the agreement um with Amazon who assigned the option um was that all of those parking spaces had to be replaced in garages of the new buildings so that's something that we'll be providing in the so you know underground parking in these new buildings will be both for the residents of the new buildings and the residents of the existing buildings and we'll make sure that they have parking during construction as well you know we'll probably off-site we're figuring that out as well so we'll deliver these five new buildings and all these units in phases and that's another thing that's still up in the air but all of it is called to be completed by January 1st of 2028 so it'll it'll be uh about five years uh to get it all done and we've outlined in the the ldda exhibit that will send you outlines the expected future ahif requests that we think will be required for each of the affordable buildings some of it as Jack mentioned from precedence some of it will be offset with land value from the eya market rate component so that's a win but there will be a need for ahif and I think um the reason for that is that you know the UNF as you all know unfortunately getting the land donated is just not enough to make these deals work there's still a need for subsidy if we're going to hit all those affordability targets we just mentioned so that's why there will be a need for ahif and the approximate ballpark amounts are outlined in that exhibit and we'll we'll share that with you all right so that's our grand plan 850 units in five years get excited and I think we can take some questions now thank you very much for the presentation um did have a question so I believe this is true the two existing buildings those are going to be rehabbed or like what's happening with those versus just the the new five buildings the two existing buildings will remain in whc ownership my understanding and our understanding from from conversations with jbg and whc is that they're um are roughly 65 don't quote me have already been uh of the units and the existing buildings have already been rehabbed to some degree um that there's roughly 20 million plus or minus in investment that are that's going into the existing buildings um but really that's uh that's that's their um their bailiwick and and their you know they're working to to bring down their rent you know buy down their rents and and and do uh do what they're doing but they're obviously going to be a partner in in this um in this development with with a number of uh all these complexities that we've talked about um future reasonable agreements et cetera et cetera so so obviously they're they're going to be a partner with us okay and so when we're talking about the 850 units total does that only include the five new buildings and those units or does that also include the existing two buildings so that's just the new the new infill development the new the new development the the existing units which I which I mentioned at the beginning is roughly 828 so so you're looking at you know across the whole site 1600 plus units the plan is to keep those market rate so yeah so um essentially when when um whc acquired this they they um self-imposed a self-enforcing uh affordability Covenant to take what were Market rents and over the course of five years um buy those down to Affordable rents um primarily at around 80 percent Ami but but us but about roughly 25 will be 50 or below of the existing so we're talking about ch1 and two right that's not really part of this this uh what what we're presenting here but yeah as a way of background okay yeah thank you for that clarification so I have a question about the homeownership units are they going to be market rate or affordable uh units yeah so it's a great question um we're not there yet uh they would be predominantly market rate and again as uh Mitch was saying we want to we do need to create as much value in the land as we can to help to subsidize all of that replacement parking as well as the rent so I could imagine there's a component of of affordable home ownership we're just uh we just haven't kind of updated uh you know where we need to be in in terms of that but yeah I can imagine a component but substantially market rate [Music] today so I end up process question I think Chris you're probably the one to answer it so what I was um hearing um from Mitchell I think was that you know the idea right now is uh we might be it's not locked in obviously but we're thinking we're thinking approximately 10 of the units that are affordable at 80 about 50 I think is what I heard is 60 uh 25 50 about 10 at 30 I think those are the ball marks we're looking at so you know in in you know a normal development situation right like Alpha comes they got the property they're coming to us for an ahif request whatever this is different because there's been this assignment that we that the county got and the county had this obviously this competition and then selected the development Partners so like uh from a process standpoint like how much discretion do cya and apple have over things like income mix versus the county saying we would prefer this versus this because you know in a regular situation Apple would say well this is what we're proposing because this is what makes sense and kind of and then you work it out but this is different we have the county has selected by and app on behalf of account ing walk us through how that's going to work sure so I think um you know Mitch um you know Mitch referenced um sort of a set of we've talked about we talked about them in the DDS sort of a set of minimum um sort of affordability that that that that's based on you know our affordable housing master plan and all the goals that we have and so obviously things change obviously qaps change as you all know um you know we'll have a new qap in another year the incentives could change and and things things move to to how incentives change right for for raising tax credit Equity so so we have to allow some understand understandably some flexibility as projects come down um by phase but but at this point we do have a a fairly Rich uh development program that that is very beneficial from um from from the affordable uh affordable housing perspective where we try to check as many boxes as we can knowing that uh at a level of complexity like this and phasing over time things are going to change and and and we recognize that right so so we'd be working with them um at each at each phase and and how that would Stack Up um versus the the overall development will be the last but you know um the county has had a lot of success with this the six percent Ami units that's like the model is that understood it you know becoming an amateur learning to stop the 60 Ami units are typically is working going to get built um but you know as we build more of them you know a lot of the folks in those units of course uh and I said of course but a lot of them still are getting housing grants to other systems from the county and maybe some federal dollars um I think a lot of folks would be interested in us trying to maybe get away from that hard wiring some some lower you know income restricted units I understand that has to make sense from a financial perspective and I so I would just urge us to really start thinking now as far as like how can we get more not just 50 but maybe 40 or 30 and I understand there's trade-offs so I don't have a number in mind but just really trying to hardwire more than 10 of the units um you know obviously Arlington Community foundation's been leading on this looking at bar crop but I think here especially we got Transit Richard area a job Rich area I'd like to see us lean into more than just the 10 if we can we keep that's my comment that's that's a great comment and I think that's your point is well taken but you know just just so you know we are we are thinking about this and and by way of reference um the number that are proposed at 30 now roughly doubles the the 30 stock that the county has right now just so you have a sense um so so you know looking pretty good um out the gate uh so I'll just say that in response thank you just two quick questions could you pull up page 29 real quick of the presentation yeah would that be all right on the top part of the property uh where the home ownership option would be available I notice that the buildings were split I just wondering is was that like a structural reason or is there anything stopping you from just making one long building there would that give us more units I was just wondering what the yeah we're studying we're studying that yes we're looking into it okay but if the approved plan that was a very critical component from the 4.1 approval okay we're kind of inheriting what they did there and I think a mid-block path was like okay gotcha the second question and partner had to step away but I did want to acknowledge this I appreciate the focus on Child Care um what about like high-speed internet has that been part of the thinking across the campus once it's all built out has made a commitment to provide free high-speed internet to all of our residents across our portfolio for new for our new projects so yes that will be a part of this perfect thanks so much our possibilities this is not for something like for us on the call but I'm just thinking about this and this is just kind of the way my brain works but like I'm listening to eyas presentation and it makes perfect sense with the market as we have it there's these like pretty expensive market rate properties we're getting value from that we're doing this is what we talked about in affordable housing and it's just like another kind of aha for me of like oh this is why it's important we pursue maybe like use in other things where you've got this this this uh middle uh well you know use the other word for it but we have this this policy Gap that's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger because in order to get the units on a lower income scale you've got to just keep pushing up the value of these units up here and so it's like it's great but it's also like creating a separate problem we need to solve so it has nothing to do with this it's just kind of another aha for me is there any other comments or questions from commissioners okay oh uh it looks like we have a hand up by that might be great uh go ahead doors to call on me yeah okay just making sure um what I wanted to ask is um the partners in this partnership um I'm wondering um I am a member of the Arlington County disability advisory commission and Emma liaison to the Housing Commission and I'm wondering what your philosophy is and implementation expected information to maximize the availability of both affordable as well as market rate um units and these developments for people with disabilities who are in need of fully accessible type A units partly because the affordable housing master plan is is it has a Target that 10 percent of all calf units by 2040 are are are expected the expected outcome is that 10 will be fully accessible and um after also Crystal City being Crystal City and Pentagon City being part of a very important Transit corridor um for people with disabilities who need accessible transportation is very very important so I'm just wondering uh what what ideas you might have for maximizing the building code only requires two percent of the total number of units in a in a building for example but but that's that's a floor not a ceiling so it would be very incredibly um um it would be a model for the nation if if you would figure out maximizing that number that you can get beyond that two percent and Doris we will uh just you know I we've worked together in the past so you know we will work with eya to ensure that um we talk about our philosophy but in the past we've always exceeded the minimum floors of the two percent and tried to strive for you know in in our some of our deals are nine percent deals around the 10 Mark we've been able to hit these are a lot of units and I know we have some senior buildings and typically in the senior buildings we made those 100 Universal Design um so I will get back to you with details and we will certainly talk to eya and and work through that um and circle back and and certainly things like rolling showers and other best practices that we've learned from working with you and the commission we will make sure that we incorporate into the program here and I can just add the floor in terms of the requirement under our development agreement is five percent of all the affordable units being fully accessible and 18 employing Universal Design okay uh thank you doors um any other questions or comments it's exciting it's really exciting thank you very much thank you all very much I did thank you a process question um as far as when this is like this is like for our action we have a sense of so it would be for the first day of the requests um which I'm not sure when that will be but um I'm not sure Chris do you know when we're still determining but it's probably sometime this year we're hoping so so stay tuned got a lot to do and so for this this project there's no like sprc so there is no sbrc it did go through a site plan process in 2019 okay um and that's the site plan that they're working with currently and um I don't know the project as well as Chris said I don't want to speak to it but there probably are some small tweaks to that site plan that will be proposed um going forward okay thank you um next next up on our agenda we have the Housing Commission 2023 work plan um and this is for Action um and so this work plan um is uh sort of tweaking of the the plan that we had approved last year um and incorporating uh the feedback that Commissioners had made in this at our December meeting about things that we would like to focus on and I can briefly sort of highlight how um I'd Incorporated those in here so uh the first item the oversight of affordable housing properties and reviewing programs and policies to support affordable housing residents uh that has stayed the same but just updated the language to account for um what we had accomplished last year um and then the first bullet following up with staff in the county board on the implementation status of the um the jsac um reports which we talked about during public comment today um and then following up with staff on the implementation status of the long-term strategies document as well and the other bullets I think are largely the same as last year so continuing to promote Senate empowerment looking at um so this one was new examining strategies to advance economic Mobility promote Pathways out of subsidized housing for low-income residents so that was based off of feedback from last meeting and then continue working with the tenant landlord commission other Advocates uh to identify best practice and policy Solutions any questions or comments about a okay uh so for B maintaining and strengthening role as Chief advisor at County Board housing issues so this largely remained consistent with last year but with the addition of the first bullet collaborating with staff to develop an equity framework for the commission and enhance the data presented to the commission to clearly show the impact on and consultation with historically disadvantaged communities so this was also based on the feedback last last meeting um and sort of taking into account some of the discussions where staff when they brought projects to us have talked about what we considered equity and we've asked well can you tell us more about them and said well we don't really have anything to share beyond the fact that we've considered Equity um so to this end too I'm meeting with Samia um the um what is her official title the officer yes uh tomorrow to kind of talk through um what this might look like uh working with staff I've also given a heads up to anthonycia um that this is something I'd like to work with her and staff on figuring out what data currently exists that can be presented to the commission on a regular basis when we get site plans and other projects coming before us um and just how we can make progress with this goal both in the short term in the long term um the rest of the items on here are pretty consistent with uh what was in here in the past and just continuing on with those um any questions around or comments on B I just want to um I guess lift up what you were saying with equity and I like where you're going you talked about like what data is possible but I think as a commission we should say anything that comes before us should come with that accompanied Equity discussion so instead of you know like what's possible if anything's coming before this commission it should also come with that supplemental data that would be mine that's that is my hope whether that's like an equity addendum that gets you know tacked on to like what typically gets presented to us um or in some other capacity it's really calling out like um you know what is the impact of this project on members of the disability Community or impact of um you know uh minority populations in in the neighborhood or what have you and also looking at consultation and highlighting not just like oh we engage with the community but how did you engage with renters how did you engage with um you know black and brown residents and um making sure that we're reinforcing for the county that this is really important to us um and uh making sure that that's part of the public discussion as well I have something yeah so um it was really you know I watched um because I uh yeah because I presented back in December so the the transfer of development rights um uh proposal which was approved with the County Board we heard right um you know there's we had some discussion you know Holly and some other folks had raised some concerns about that and then I went to the County Board and listened to the Hem and they also raised some concerns that I kind of honestly was a little bit surprised about um you know several of the board members seem to be a little bit concerned about how the ordinance is working nowadays as far as our development um developers really always choosing almost always explicitly choosing the ability to contribute to ahif versus on-site units I say I'm surprised because I you know I'd heard in the past from certain folks that they were kind of okay with that because you know the money was great too and we could maximize it so and so forth um and maybe there's a ship and maybe there's not maybe it was just a meeting that's what people said but I kind of sort I would like us to consider revisiting that and maybe the ask is to get math to come to one of our meetings we can talk about it um something like that would be a pretty massive undertaking and it would need to go on the cphd work plan if it were ever to be contemplated but I was just really several of them said this and I was like oh and peta's going up um because I'd always heard we're okay with the contributions we'll do some on-site for bonus density contributions are okay uh generally because of our robust development program now that Alpha is expanding to other jurisdictions and it's harder to do development in Arlington and maybe I don't know maybe it's time to revisit that it's been 10 years right at least 10 at least 10 15 20 are we so you're not just talking about the transfer of development rights because yeah so that was my jumping off point I guess what I'm saying is you play with the language but it essentially you know revisit they could just say revisit with our liaison you know if if the County Board is even considering you know re-examination of of the ordinance and its structure it's not in the work plan that I'm aware of um and so this is like just the tiniest beginning of a conversation I I know last year there was talk of revisiting it and a decision was made in the county and among some advocacy groups that that was not the right time to do that um and I think in part that could be the makeup of the general assembly and yeah like and that was not not withstanding that's a pretty pretty major hurdle I mean I remember Arlington Community Foundation and tried to look at this a couple years ago and basically ran into that end as I recall um and I would have a lot of concerns and but look there were like three County board members saying it and I was like wow okay um it came up in that discussion because a lot of folks were concerned about the lack of on-site units in that proposal in Boston so so how long would it take to change something like that I have no idea and I'm not looking at the conversation right now I'm just saying I was kind of surprised um that there was so much interest and really maybe looking at that potentially um it was like a formal directive it was just there kind of going back and forth so hey if you know our electives are saying it maybe you know I don't know yeah I mean I'm no idea happy to add it to the work plan is something that we can look into for this year um maybe it's a conversation with Matt offline hey you know where's where's the mood right now and maybe it's something we've had three years yeah my guess is my understanding from talking to board members is that as far as legislative priorities for the general assembly it's all defense and you're not really you know offense at this point yeah so and anything that tweaks how Arlington does things they kind of want to stay away from because they don't want yeah I'm just pushing you know we're an institution too and like it's always good for us to keep pushing even if we're almost 100 certain the answer is going to be them having to keep hearing the ass okay yes I'm happy to add it there's no Market adjustment or inflation in that as well as well raid that was negotiated 10 to 15 years ago with the same amount that developers contribute today is that right the rate goes up with CPI change each year okay yeah and I say this with I I don't know where I would land out yeah I mean even if it's not going outside of an encounter for now yeah definitely we can add it and we can have that conversation see where it goes um I'm cool with that can I add can I one more thing yeah it's not related to the ordinance at all yep so like uh when I was chairman even before I was chair it feels like every time the budget comes up it's like oh crap the budget's here like trying to get ahead of it and part of it is like the timing I'm not throwing shape but like part of it is just the timing of like when the manager releases like the first draft and then things come out my recollection is that usually hits the streets like the end of January or whatever and then it's kind of like a Scramble for like a lot of advisory groups and so forth so I don't this is not well thought out but I think I'm looking at the calendar now I'm thinking is there any way that we can kind of sort of try to have that like a little bit because what we've heard at least publicly is that the man I think the manager has said the board has said like that AF likely flat which I think is like 17 or something million dollars um it's not all EF I don't know do we want to try to get out of that I don't know if we can but it always feels like no rush uh I agree you're talking about like potentially moving that up to February I don't know I look because we need like we need the budget but we need to something react to yeah and when is the manager releasing the budget to the public I think that's February right or is it the end of January I don't know I I think like because there's those budget hearings and the chairs go so like you should get invited and then you feel like I remember like all three years it was like it got released and then the meeting was like the next week but we hadn't had a meeting so it was kind of this dance of like what do you want I think usually the work sessions are like early March yeah so it's yeah so there you go there's your message no I agree with you I mean and I definitely want to make sure that we you know consider robust budget recommendations I don't I don't know how full it's going to be this year I felt like last year uh we were largely ignored as were the housing Advocates um by the board and the manager uh but um and I know one of the key things that we had asked for was additional staff capacity and we were basically told by the board there's there's no issues with staff capacity which is the opposite of what staff constantly tell us so there's a big disconnect there that no one seems to want to acknowledge um but uh yeah so we can see from my brief conversation with Matt it didn't sound like he was confident that there were the votes to add additional staff to see PhD to address some of the issues on the board so we can always push for it um and I think we should but I'm not super optimistic at this point I won a 31 Erickson because I think it is going to be a very complex process so like I don't think that we would even be able to get even if we had a magic wand all the way through this year but at least we if we do some foundational work this year perhaps that sets us up next year to be able to you know maybe move the ball a little bit brood well or like I mean what we could do is like I don't know if we'll have that budget by the next meeting or not and if we don't like we could at least say like let's go around the table like what are priorities for people that's like an informal understanding or we don't think I don't know if you think about on that but we could we could talk you know it's because it's not just a hip right if you're talking about staff you know housing grants you know there's it's a big budget um and so maybe that's one approach so at least if you're going into like a work session or something you like you got something yeah um I think the the big concern for me is if missing middle is going to be February then you know there's enough points hopefully we'll have to do with Daniel the Planning Commission and uh um but yeah so there's just there's you know some big items hovering over uh our heads on the schedule um that depending when they drop it it's just gonna be tough to find time for anything else but um I I think the point is well taken um and we can we can move discussion of the FY 2024 budget up to February um but I just yeah I don't know it really it will depend on when missing their lands whatever you think any other thoughts on that from members of the commission I'm sorry just from my understanding when there was like two dates like for like for example discussion of 202 housing commissioner and Report February the review and approval and the annual report does that mean there's two meetings or one or what does that mean uh that would be uh during the same meeting um and I think a lot of these like I basically just changed the years um from what was on here the previous year there's some things that I I added or changed around but I think but um yeah and I think so is there not a possibility to splitting some of these meetings uh what do you mean like having two meetings instead of one meeting or yeah we have still you know more information and if we're gonna you know really talk about these things all coming from work etc et cetera to really kind of have fresh Minds for some of these discussions I don't know how anyone feels about it but like you know today is the beginning of the meeting was very important you know I I want to make sure like I mean like the focus is on these things as well thing my two meetings uh where we know we've gone into where it's 11 o'clock at night and about you but I I don't think yeah I think we can certainly discuss that one of the things that I plan to do is schedule one-on-one meetings with each of the Commissioners to you know talk over how things are going and get to know people better uh learn names um and that's something that I'm happy to bring up to like you know do you prefer long paintings or do you prefer you know that we split some things up into two meetings a month I know it's tough because a lot of people they basically sign up for one meeting a month um and yeah you know splitting it into two could be challenging for some people but I think it's certainly worth the discussion and people would prefer to do that versus um you know having a very lengthy meetings at times how long can I just say one more thing I think um you know after having watched a little bit of both those Planning Commission meetings I think it would probably be very important of us to maybe schedule two sessions for that topic or at least have it on that because we have to have public notice right for our meetings and I do not want two meetings but I mean is it hard for anybody to imagine it eating 70 speaker something crazy I just think we should strongly consider having like a second session on the books I don't I don't know talk to Alex so like the last one was 65 speakers yeah so like I don't know can you yeah I don't know um talking about more broadly for meetings that we think could go longer are you if there are decided on too and you still thinking on Thursday because I'm on another commission so I have to oh I am like on this one thing I have just my personal stuff like yeah but I want to be able to focus on these where it is not going into I mean I'm talking and I'm going to be going in but like because we have been there where it's been 11 o'clock at night and they're a very important meeting But I me personally I don't know if if you know starting my day at 7 30 in the morning and then 11 o'clock so the messy middle which I think is very important yeah like sometimes it has to happen you know um and we have people coming like people from Toronto they come to us looking for help um and so I think we have a duty to kind of be more focused for some of these topics is there a way to have like two meetings one that's action items and one's informational yeah I mean I I think we have the flexibility to to add meetings as we you know think we need um which is a question of making sure that that works for the whole commission and that you know people aren't bored with that um I think one of the other things that we can look at is like for missing middle that's probably a good virtual meeting to have a little bit easier to have longer meetings versus in person so we do have that flexibility with those two meetings that we can do virtual um so I think that's when they started all been published I think we can't start before seven I mean this is the this was my my opinion this was one of the very hardest part I mean Collins has been a chair before this is one of the hardest parts about being chair is figuring out and meeting Cadence and how much you could fit in one meeting in subcommittees and all that it's just really hard and when I was chair we had a couple of meetings that were like like pretty bloated and there's really not a whole lot to do about it and so you just try to move things along and you do the best you can and sometimes these meetings go on right because Serrano and you gotta dedicated three and a half hours right and then sometimes you're like let's go guys it's fine you know that's kind of figure it out a little bit but um so I I I trust Colin I think you know Helen will talk to uh Alex and staff and you know figure out something that makes sense how much more do we have like if you can guesstimate uh as far as time yeah well the material like uh I think in another 30 minutes how much how much time would uh development on facing there's not very much offer development updates or some committee uh home ownership no um in February okay so this is yeah so we would Mark the wrap up yeah okay can I just say just sorry now that we've gone down the shirt I would not be a big fan of Jimmy in early like months from month I would just say um except for anomalies that might bring out 16. that is different or like Serato like that's a different situation think of the time that you put on your calendar so it's not always beneficial though yeah um okay uh so I didn't sound like people had additional comments or questions on Part B um and then we started talking about part C which is policy and this is where we really added in all of the items that people had brought up less last meeting um so obviously missing middle one makes it Boulevard um then the Redevelopment of Barcroft as well as efforts to reduce displacement of existing residents um the homeownership study uh comprehensive review housing grants which I'd like to get more information about like what the timeline is for those recommendations this year but um then looking at uh the fair housing which I know we've been talking about forever but that that plan should be dropping any day and that will also be a big giant report that's like a hundred and some odd pages long that people um or maybe a thousand sorry uh yeah I think it's closer to a thousand um about a hundred and uh that will have a lot of great things for us to talk about within this commission and it's hopefully going at some point but there's a they're still waiting on the translation of the final and that's why it keeps being delayed um uh and then looking at eviction efforts um we've added in the affordable housing ordinance um revisiting that and re-examining the transfer development rights um strategies to convert commercial property into residential property I've talked to Alex about having a presentation or briefing from the county on existing efforts um to incentivize that make that easier within the county um and then looking at nofa again um efforts to streamline reduce bureaucratic burden on affordable housing development efforts and then field trips um which I don't know a lot about um but it seems to be it was on the uh work plan last year and happy to look into seeing if we can do a field trip this uh the year which I think is just touring one of the affordable housing properties that was recently um completed is that typically what the field trip consisted of I mean I'm looking around and I think I'm the most tenured person at the table and I don't I it was not it was it still existed a little bit when I joined and then obviously died during pandemic so yeah I mean I don't feel that strongly about it but like you could hey Apple just opened a property um reselling so that we could piggyback on another field trip because you'll think this isn't the CD uh yeah we have an annual there is like an annual kind of round robin right yeah yeah yeah I feel like there's affordable housing right yeah exactly yeah the field trip count as a meeting we're all together so I do think that we're all going to be together together there will be quorum like yeah but the people going up okay oh I do have a question for it but I think what if we post a public notice I think that is I'm not asking whether we couldn't do that I'm asking if it were possible but like if we went to some place like the um the new yeah the new American Legion like is there a space where we get hosted community so is that a possibility we'd have to give public notice but could we do is that possible if we decided hey we want to do a tour and then the meeting or whatever yeah okay that's we should do that's a field trip yeah uh yeah exactly yeah get there early to tour um is there anything that's missing or that people want change from the list of policies uh items on here okay uh hearing none and then the last one is collaboration um so this awesome you know consistent with last year um I think I added the Human Rights Commission especially around fair housing uh that's a relationship that I'd like to uh to work on this year as well um strengthening that in a long along with the Planning Commission month or permission that I think the Housing Commission has made a lot of strides in developing those relationships and working together possible um and then working with our counterparts and other jurisdictions so in Alexandria Eric has already put me in touch with the chair of their affordable housing um advisory commission and so I hope to be meeting with that their chair later this month and then having a conversation or you know potentially doing a joint commission meeting at some point this year if we can figure out the logistics and what that agenda would look like I've done something similar when I chaired the tenant landlord commission with their the Alexandria landlord tenant Relations Board so I think that's helpful because there's a lot of issues that impact both us I know they're very keenly interested in what happens with missing middle and Zoning changes within Arlington as they look at potentially similar things similar things for Alexandria and then members of the public school communities um any comments or questions on collaboration okay uh anticipated schedule um so I did have a question actually for Eric and I I meant to point this out when I sent you the draft um the email report um who typically develops that oh I did but I can work with you on it okay yeah um um and your Pi start to get emails from Ken I think he was Kendra or one of one of the folks like the staff books for the county board usually we'll send an email like or you know like okay I gotta work on it so that should be pretty soon other unrelated reminder because we think of the County Board everybody has to do their ethics uh uh things by the end of the month is it the uh Financial disclosure yeah I just think technically up here yep I mean I don't think you have to worry about January we don't have an action item here um and then you know you just you know I always try to get folks to volunteer and then you know some months we need books and sometimes books we need sometimes we need two books and a lot of books we don't need anybody because it just depends so I like that you sit around like a Sign Up Genius last year yeah which is definitely I thought that was helpful because then it pops up a reminder for the day you sign up for okay uh yeah Eric I can figure out what you did last year I just did a simple I just went to the candy board meetings I did all the Saturdays yeah I had primary and secondary you could sign up okay and then at every housing commission meeting I tried to be like we do need to do or we don't need you and just kind of figured it out you know okay then it sends a reminder like a certain number of days before so you get in your email so you kind of some massaging but just having somebody in place yeah just a quick note bhda is no longer being uh um make it like the most useful conversation yeah from the bottom phda Line Tech application oh okay yeah but they usually post like the new qap and manual like December January okay so I guess um not that you couldn't talk through it later but if it were to be a little bit more like when it got released that might be a better early in the year cut forward okay um but that's what they usually work okay not suggesting adjusting everywhere uh yeah we can figure that out um I also did want to do a review of the charter I had a couple changes might be controversial I think we should officially change our name to Housing Commission instead of the lengthy name that no one uses for um our commission but we can get into that later um um but okay so are there any other questions or comments about anything on this I'll send up I'll send out the Sign Up Genius um so that we can have people volunteer for uh representation at County board meetings um there's a couple edits uh they're brought up like changing Virginia Housing um adding the affordable housing ordinance like re-examination in here um but are people comfortable with approving it with the name's going to be added later as opposed to waiting to officially approve it next month do I have a second okay then we then we can I'll do a roll call for this one okay all right so um voting to approve this as amended uh commissioner Burkey yes okay uh commissioner Blake yes okay um and I also realize I have not introduced commissioner Blake yet who's new so apologies for that we'll do that after this um commissioner Brown uh Mr Edwards is also absent right yeah uh commissioner Heming here yes uh Commissioners um I vote Yes yes yes uh commissioner Montgomery yes okay commissioner Norris yes commissioner rubel calva yes and commissioner service yes okay great that passes um thank you very much and um yeah so with that uh belated introduction um of Nikki um Blake if uh commissioner Blake you wanna um introduce yourself to the rest of the commission and again apologies for not doing this at the start of the meeting um when I should have but uh commissioner Blake was appointed in December um by the County Board to join our commission thanks Dad really happy to be here and apologies I couldn't join you all in person I had a pre-planned and I'm actually in uh Big Bend area in Texas so just glad it worked out with the signal and everything but yeah just really glad to be here um I'm looking forward to working with you all um I just recently returned to Arlington well not recently about two years ago now um I moved here after grad school um and so just glad to be back and looking forward to being more involved great we're happy to have you sneaky um and so next item on the agenda we have the development updates yes so um a couple very quick um updates tonight um first on Queen's Court which was actually shown during the presentation earlier today um a couple um bullets on that so shortly before the new year the county received about 1.5 million dollars in construction cost savings um for the Queen's Court development um so as a reminder Queen's Court contains 249 affordable units in the Roslyn area and was approved for a total um 16.7 million dollar AF loan or about 67 000 per unit um and the 1.5 million in cost savings will be applied towards the Queen's Court they have loans so um that uh good news story there um Crystal plus five as well um that's the one that the site plan that we heard back in November it was delayed due to a public notice error so you will see that on the County board agenda for this month um and then that is it um for development updates other than what's on the sheet if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them or uh work with those Projects please so uh any questions on development updates okay um last item on the agenda then the subcommittee reports um and I know you said the next meetings in February for the homeownership subcommittee all right it's February 17th it's 8 30 in the morning an hour and a half uh anything else you want to provide on that or I don't know I don't know what last meeting it's just more information but it's all on the website it's great information I think the next step is community engagement correct yeah okay great um any other questions or comments on that and that's just for the home ownership okay I don't think any of the other subcommittees have met since our last minute right no there's nothing going on in plan links and bull bars I mean dude that I'm aware of right I haven't seen anything yeah and then but for the 2500 Wilson um I have a another meeting it looks like uh commissioner Mitchell gray is your backup yeah um I mean I I plan to attend also the length um I just haven't heard anything since when was it because they canceled November they they kept on changing it in November um and then I haven't seen anything that's what I was looking at which one but um marker yeah the Langston one I don't I haven't seen much about that uh is that a question for me yeah Margaret are you able to make the meeting on January 31st since you are listed the alternate the 2500 Suite okay great um and if that changes just let us know what else okay okay that's good um okay anything any other uh some committee reports before we wrap up uh and just uh you all saw that I don't know if I ever we thought that uh uh Andrew Schneider uh stuff down as CEO of Arlington Thrive um Susan Cuddy yeah she's the interim CEO so that's it sounds good I was on the board when we hired Andrew for a good time um okay uh well then I think our meeting is adjourned thank you all very much thank you 00:00:06.349 --> 00:00:09.890 align:start position:0% 00:00:09.890 --> 00:00:11.810 align:start position:0% 00:00:11.810 --> 00:00:11.820 align:start position:0% 00:00:11.820 --> 00:00:13.370 align:start position:0% 00:00:13.370 --> 00:00:13.380 align:start position:0% 00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:14.150 align:start position:0% 00:00:14.150 --> 00:00:17.330 align:start position:0% 00:00:17.330 --> 00:00:23.570 align:start position:0% 00:00:23.570 --> 00:00:29.650 align:start position:0% 00:00:29.650 --> 00:00:32.990 align:start position:0% 00:00:32.990 --> 00:00:36.410 align:start position:0% 00:00:36.410 --> 00:00:38.870 align:start position:0% 00:00:38.870 --> 00:00:41.150 align:start position:0% 00:00:41.150 --> 00:00:43.190 align:start position:0% 00:00:43.190 --> 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