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align:start position:0% I just wanted to thank of what Anne 00:29:17.809 --> 00:29:20.080 align:start position:0% I just wanted to thank of what Anne Murray<00:29:17.990> said<00:29:18.320> if<00:29:18.559> if<00:29:19.400> you 00:29:20.080 --> 00:29:20.090 align:start position:0% Murray said if if you 00:29:20.090 --> 00:29:22.330 align:start position:0% Murray said if if you recall<00:29:20.690> that<00:29:20.720> terrific<00:29:21.530> interview<00:29:22.160> that 00:29:22.330 --> 00:29:22.340 align:start position:0% recall that terrific interview that 00:29:22.340 --> 00:29:24.850 align:start position:0% recall that terrific interview that Susan<00:29:22.700> Glasser<00:29:23.150> had<00:29:23.480> with<00:29:23.750> Farah<00:29:24.050> Pandit<00:29:24.620> just 00:29:24.850 --> 00:29:24.860 align:start position:0% Susan Glasser had with Farah Pandit just 00:29:24.860 --> 00:29:25.920 align:start position:0% Susan Glasser had with Farah Pandit just before<00:29:25.220> lunch 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including cyber terror and I was 00:31:43.250 --> 00:31:46.899 align:start position:0% including cyber terror and I was including<00:31:43.789> non-state<00:31:44.450> actors<00:31:44.990> and<00:31:45.230> I<00:31:46.070> let's 00:31:46.899 --> 00:31:46.909 align:start position:0% including non-state actors and I let's 00:31:46.909 --> 00:31:49.149 align:start position:0% including non-state actors and I let's add<00:31:47.179> to<00:31:47.539> that<00:31:47.659> the<00:31:47.899> danger<00:31:48.289> of<00:31:48.380> miscalculation 00:31:49.149 --> 00:31:49.159 align:start position:0% add to that the danger of miscalculation 00:31:49.159 --> 00:31:51.250 align:start position:0% add to that the danger of miscalculation which<00:31:49.789> could<00:31:50.059> occur<00:31:50.330> certainly<00:31:50.899> in<00:31:51.019> those 00:31:51.250 --> 00:31:51.260 align:start position:0% which could occur certainly in those 00:31:51.260 --> 00:31:54.129 align:start position:0% which could occur certainly in those fears<00:31:51.740> even<00:31:52.490> more<00:31:52.760> than<00:31:53.029> in<00:31:53.210> our<00:31:53.360> interactions 00:31:54.129 --> 00:31:54.139 align:start position:0% fears even more than in our interactions 00:31:54.139 --> 00:31:56.350 align:start position:0% fears even more than in our interactions whatever<00:31:54.590> they<00:31:54.769> may<00:31:54.919> be<00:31:54.950> wrong<00:31:55.399> or<00:31:55.669> right<00:31:55.850> with 00:31:56.350 --> 00:31:56.360 align:start position:0% whatever they may be wrong or right with 00:31:56.360 --> 00:32:00.210 align:start position:0% whatever they may be wrong or right with China<00:31:56.659> and<00:31:56.840> Russia<00:31:56.990> so<00:31:57.440> I<00:31:57.889> think<00:31:59.110> we<00:32:00.110> need 00:32:00.210 --> 00:32:00.220 align:start position:0% China and Russia so I think we need 00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:03.220 align:start position:0% China and Russia so I think we need norms<00:32:01.220> 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of<00:32:08.809> folks<00:32:09.049> living<00:32:09.710> in 00:32:10.090 --> 00:32:10.100 align:start position:0% are a whole bunch of folks living in 00:32:10.100 --> 00:32:12.970 align:start position:0% are a whole bunch of folks living in China<00:32:10.549> we<00:32:10.970> have<00:32:11.000> one<00:32:11.360> China<00:32:11.659> policy<00:32:11.899> who<00:32:12.710> don't 00:32:12.970 --> 00:32:12.980 align:start position:0% China we have one China policy who don't 00:32:12.980 --> 00:32:15.580 align:start position:0% China we have one China policy who don't want<00:32:13.340> the<00:32:13.850> China<00:32:14.210> rules<00:32:14.600> to<00:32:14.929> apply<00:32:15.019> to<00:32:15.260> them 00:32:15.580 --> 00:32:15.590 align:start position:0% want the China rules to apply to them 00:32:15.590 --> 00:32:18.310 align:start position:0% want the China rules to apply to them and<00:32:15.769> they've<00:32:16.429> been<00:32:16.639> pretty<00:32:16.850> effective<00:32:17.019> 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country although 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.789 align:start position:0% we still consider a country although within<00:32:25.010> this<00:32:25.279> policy<00:32:25.760> and<00:32:26.659> and<00:32:27.169> where<00:32:27.620> we 00:32:27.789 --> 00:32:27.799 align:start position:0% within this policy and and where we 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.509 align:start position:0% within this policy and and where we provide<00:32:28.370> literally<00:32:29.240> military<00:32:29.779> aid<00:32:29.990> so<00:32:30.710> III 00:32:31.509 --> 00:32:31.519 align:start position:0% provide literally military aid so III 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.480 align:start position:0% provide literally military aid so III think<00:32:31.909> there<00:32:32.360> are<00:32:32.510> universal<00:32:33.200> values<00:32:33.230> I<00:32:33.830> think 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:34.490 align:start position:0% think there are universal values I think 00:32:34.490 --> 00:32:38.049 align:start position:0% think there are universal 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want to just emphasize is that what was 00:33:43.129 --> 00:33:46.570 align:start position:0% want to just emphasize is that what was created<00:33:43.370> in<00:33:43.760> 1945<00:33:44.600> was<00:33:45.010> unprecedented<00:33:46.010> in<00:33:46.279> the 00:33:46.570 --> 00:33:46.580 align:start position:0% created in 1945 was unprecedented in the 00:33:46.580 --> 00:33:47.780 align:start position:0% created in 1945 was unprecedented in the history<00:33:46.610> of 00:33:47.780 --> 00:33:47.790 align:start position:0% history of 00:33:47.790 --> 00:33:54.470 align:start position:0% history of and<00:33:48.750> it<00:33:49.260> created<00:33:49.920> a<00:33:50.540> a<00:33:51.540> world<00:33:52.260> that<00:33:52.770> was<00:33:53.520> also 00:33:54.470 --> 00:33:54.480 align:start position:0% and it created a a world that was also 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.960 align:start position:0% and it created a a world that was also unprecedented<00:33:55.020> in<00:33:55.710> 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what the American people did was take on unprecedented<00:35:05.940> responsibility<00:35:06.870> for<00:35:07.140> global 00:35:07.490 --> 00:35:07.500 align:start position:0% unprecedented responsibility for global 00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:10.520 align:start position:0% unprecedented responsibility for global affairs<00:35:07.620> no<00:35:08.580> nation<00:35:09.090> in<00:35:09.180> history<00:35:09.450> has<00:35:10.320> ever 00:35:10.520 --> 00:35:10.530 align:start position:0% affairs no nation in history has ever 00:35:10.530 --> 00:35:12.200 align:start position:0% affairs no nation in history has ever shouldered<00:35:11.130> the<00:35:11.220> responsibility<00:35:11.250> to<00:35:12.090> the 00:35:12.200 --> 00:35:12.210 align:start position:0% shouldered the responsibility to the 00:35:12.210 --> 00:35:13.880 align:start position:0% shouldered the responsibility to the American<00:35:12.450> people<00:35:13.020> shoulders<00:35:13.410> all<00:35:13.590> kinds<00:35:13.830> of 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position:0% also was unusual for the United States 00:35:20.370 --> 00:35:21.650 align:start position:0% also was unusual for the United States that's<00:35:20.610> not<00:35:20.820> the<00:35:20.910> history<00:35:21.270> of<00:35:21.330> United<00:35:21.630> States 00:35:21.650 --> 00:35:21.660 align:start position:0% that's not the history of United States 00:35:21.660 --> 00:35:24.350 align:start position:0% that's not the history of United States prior<00:35:22.080> to<00:35:22.200> 1945<00:35:22.830> is<00:35:23.220> taking<00:35:23.850> on<00:35:23.970> global 00:35:24.350 --> 00:35:24.360 align:start position:0% prior to 1945 is taking on global 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.360 align:start position:0% prior to 1945 is taking on global responsibility<00:35:25.200> so<00:35:25.830> I<00:35:25.860> think<00:35:26.010> it<00:35:26.250> was 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:26.370 align:start position:0% responsibility so I think it was 00:35:26.370 --> 00:35:29.090 align:start position:0% responsibility so I think it was inevitable<00:35:26.700> that<00:35:27.090> at<00:35:27.330> some<00:35:27.600> point<00:35:28.100> American 00:35:29.090 --> 00:35:29.100 align:start position:0% inevitable that at some point American 00:35:29.100 --> 00:35:31.430 align:start position:0% inevitable that at some point American many<00:35:29.520> Americans<00:35:30.000> were<00:35:30.060> gonna<00:35:30.180> say<00:35:30.420> remind<00:35:31.320> us 00:35:31.430 --> 00:35:31.440 align:start position:0% many Americans were gonna say remind us 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.830 align:start position:0% many Americans were gonna say remind us again<00:35:31.560> why<00:35:31.890> we're<00:35:32.160> doing<00:35:32.460> this<00:35:32.610> and<00:35:32.910> this 00:35:33.830 --> 00:35:33.840 align:start position:0% again why we're doing this and this 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:36.980 align:start position:0% again why we're doing this and this began<00:35:34.550> Iraq<00:35:35.550> was<00:35:35.760> 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align:start position:0% and I fear that Trump where Trump is is not<00:35:58.920> far 00:35:59.530 --> 00:35:59.540 align:start position:0% not far 00:35:59.540 --> 00:36:01.600 align:start position:0% not far from<00:35:59.990> where<00:36:00.200> the<00:36:00.380> dead<00:36:00.590> center<00:36:01.070> of<00:36:01.100> American 00:36:01.600 --> 00:36:01.610 align:start position:0% from where the dead center of American 00:36:01.610 --> 00:36:04.690 align:start position:0% from where the dead center of American public<00:36:01.970> opinion<00:36:02.090> is<00:36:02.690> when<00:36:03.650> when<00:36:04.250> Trump<00:36:04.490> says 00:36:04.690 --> 00:36:04.700 align:start position:0% public opinion is when when Trump says 00:36:04.700 --> 00:36:07.120 align:start position:0% public opinion is when when Trump says horrible<00:36:05.120> things<00:36:05.300> about<00:36:05.420> NATO<00:36:05.900> we<00:36:06.770> in<00:36:07.010> this 00:36:07.120 --> 00:36:07.130 align:start position:0% horrible things about NATO we in this 00:36:07.130 --> 00:36:09.190 align:start position:0% horrible things about NATO we in this room<00:36:07.400> get<00:36:07.640> all<00:36:07.820> upset<00:36:08.240> the<00:36:08.450> American<00:36:08.810> people 00:36:09.190 --> 00:36:09.200 align:start position:0% room get all upset the American people 00:36:09.200 --> 00:36:11.230 align:start position:0% room get all upset the American people don't<00:36:09.440> get<00:36:09.740> upset<00:36:09.890> they're<00:36:10.400> not<00:36:10.580> complaining 00:36:11.230 --> 00:36:11.240 align:start position:0% don't get upset they're not complaining 00:36:11.240 --> 00:36:13.450 align:start position:0% don't get upset they're not complaining about<00:36:11.330> it<00:36:11.630> so<00:36:11.780> that's<00:36:12.350> my<00:36:12.650> concern<00:36:12.920> that<00:36:13.370> we 00:36:13.450 --> 00:36:13.460 align:start position:0% about it so that's my concern that we 00:36:13.460 --> 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align:start position:0% figure he's not a bomb thrower by nature 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:27.550 align:start position:0% figure he's not a bomb thrower by nature he's<00:36:25.640> gonna<00:36:25.790> he's<00:36:26.270> not<00:36:26.300> gonna<00:36:26.570> tell<00:36:26.990> NATO<00:36:27.230> that 00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:27.560 align:start position:0% he's gonna he's not gonna tell NATO that 00:36:27.560 --> 00:36:30.280 align:start position:0% he's gonna he's not gonna tell NATO that they<00:36:27.800> they<00:36:28.490> stink<00:36:28.820> the<00:36:28.970> way<00:36:29.090> that<00:36:29.600> Trump<00:36:30.110> does 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:30.290 align:start position:0% they they stink the way that Trump does 00:36:30.290 --> 00:36:32.080 align:start position:0% they they stink the way that Trump does but<00:36:30.500> and<00:36:30.890> you<00:36:30.980> take<00:36:31.490> away<00:36:31.580> the<00:36:31.670> protectionism 00:36:32.080 --> 00:36:32.090 align:start position:0% but and 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is the single most important 00:36:59.690 --> 00:37:04.090 align:start position:0% alliance is the single most important asset<00:37:00.200> we<00:37:00.470> have<00:37:00.500> in<00:37:01.100> East<00:37:01.790> Asia<00:37:02.060> and<00:37:02.620> Obama<00:37:03.620> did 00:37:04.090 --> 00:37:04.100 align:start position:0% asset we have in East Asia and Obama did 00:37:04.100 --> 00:37:06.670 align:start position:0% asset we have in East Asia and Obama did not<00:37:04.400> denigrate<00:37:05.120> that<00:37:05.150> no<00:37:05.600> Trump<00:37:05.990> left<00:37:06.260> behind 00:37:06.670 --> 00:37:06.680 align:start position:0% not denigrate that no Trump left behind 00:37:06.680 --> 00:37:09.400 align:start position:0% not denigrate that no Trump left behind a<00:37:06.800> stink<00:37:07.130> bomb<00:37:07.340> left<00:37:07.970> Osaka<00:37:08.450> yes<00:37:08.930> saying<00:37:09.230> maybe 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:09.410 align:start position:0% a stink bomb left Osaka yes saying maybe 00:37:09.410 --> 00:37:13.210 align:start position:0% a stink bomb left Osaka yes saying maybe this<00:37:09.710> isn't<00:37:10.070> worth<00:37:10.460> it<00:37:10.640> after<00:37:11.000> all<00:37:11.180> in<00:37:12.220> 1990s 00:37:13.210 --> 00:37:13.220 align:start position:0% this isn't worth it after all in 1990s 00:37:13.220 --> 00:37:15.340 align:start position:0% this isn't worth it after all in 1990s in<00:37:13.760> the<00:37:13.940> clinton<00:37:14.270> ministration<00:37:14.300> we<00:37:15.140> did<00:37:15.320> a 00:37:15.340 --> 00:37:15.350 align:start position:0% in the clinton ministration we did a 00:37:15.350 --> 00:37:17.260 align:start position:0% in the clinton ministration we did a National<00:37:15.920> Intelligence<00:37:16.610> Estimate<00:37:16.760> which 00:37:17.260 --> 00:37:17.270 align:start position:0% National Intelligence Estimate which 00:37:17.270 --> 00:37:19.240 align:start position:0% National Intelligence Estimate which 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align:start position:0% 50,000 troops there China cannot drive 00:37:45.620 --> 00:37:48.460 align:start position:0% 50,000 troops there China cannot drive us<00:37:45.860> beyond<00:37:46.310> that<00:37:46.610> if<00:37:46.910> we<00:37:47.480> keep<00:37:47.750> that<00:37:48.020> alliance 00:37:48.460 --> 00:37:48.470 align:start position:0% us beyond that if we keep that alliance 00:37:48.470 --> 00:37:50.920 align:start position:0% us beyond that if we keep that alliance here's<00:37:48.920> where<00:37:49.130> Bob's<00:37:49.370> exactly<00:37:50.120> right<00:37:50.390> where<00:37:50.900> I 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:50.930 align:start position:0% here's where Bob's exactly right where I 00:37:50.930 --> 00:37:53.530 align:start position:0% here's where Bob's exactly right where I disagree<00:37:51.260> is<00:37:51.770> that<00:37:51.800> Obama<00:37:52.310> let<00:37:52.610> that<00:37:52.760> down<00:37:53.060> you 00:37:53.530 --> 00:37:53.540 align:start position:0% disagree is that Obama let that down you 00:37:53.540 --> 00:37:55.840 align:start position:0% disagree is that Obama let that down you really<00:37:53.720> is<00:37:53.990> not<00:37:54.170> until<00:37:54.530> Trump<00:37:54.920> that<00:37:55.520> you<00:37:55.640> had 00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:55.850 align:start position:0% really is not until Trump that you had 00:37:55.850 --> 00:37:57.940 align:start position:0% really is not until Trump that you had any<00:37:56.120> American<00:37:56.750> president<00:37:56.780> no<00:37:57.470> I<00:37:57.530> who<00:37:57.620> let<00:37:57.920> that 00:37:57.940 --> 00:37:57.950 align:start position:0% any American president no I who let that 00:37:57.950 --> 00:38:00.010 align:start position:0% any American president no I who let that guy<00:37:58.310> well<00:37:58.730> it's<00:37:58.940> not<00:37:59.060> as<00:37:59.240> Obama<00:37:59.780> is<00:37:59.900> not<00:37:59.990> a 00:38:00.010 --> 00:38:00.020 align:start position:0% guy well it's not as Obama is not a 00:38:00.020 --> 00:38:02.080 align:start position:0% guy well it's not as Obama is not a disruptor<00:38:00.590> in<00:38:01.220> the<00:38:01.340> same<00:38:01.520> way<00:38:01.670> that<00:38:01.820> Trump<00:38:02.030> is 00:38:02.080 --> 00:38:02.090 align:start position:0% disruptor in the same way that Trump is 00:38:02.090 --> 00:38:03.400 align:start position:0% disruptor in the same way that Trump is I<00:38:02.180> don't<00:38:02.330> know<00:38:02.450> that<00:38:02.660> way<00:38:02.750> what<00:38:02.900> I<00:38:02.930> mean<00:38:03.140> is<00:38:03.290> the 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:03.410 align:start position:0% I don't know that way what I mean is the 00:38:03.410 --> 00:38:06.010 align:start position:0% I don't know that way what I mean is the idea<00:38:03.770> though<00:38:04.190> of<00:38:04.220> how<00:38:05.120> much<00:38:05.360> America<00:38:05.870> should 00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:06.020 align:start position:0% idea though of how much America 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align:start position:0% think tell me if I'm wrong Emery would know 00:38:13.020 --> 00:38:13.030 align:start position:0% know 00:38:13.030 --> 00:38:14.760 align:start position:0% know I<00:38:13.060> think<00:38:13.540> he<00:38:13.660> was<00:38:13.810> burned<00:38:14.170> by<00:38:14.380> what<00:38:14.560> happened 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:14.770 align:start position:0% I think he was burned by what happened 00:38:14.770 --> 00:38:16.680 align:start position:0% I think he was burned by what happened in<00:38:14.860> Libya<00:38:14.950> he<00:38:15.640> believed<00:38:15.940> it<00:38:16.120> ended<00:38:16.330> up<00:38:16.390> being<00:38:16.570> a 00:38:16.680 --> 00:38:16.690 align:start position:0% in Libya he believed it ended up being a 00:38:16.690 --> 00:38:17.640 align:start position:0% in Libya he believed it ended up being a mistake<00:38:17.050> he<00:38:17.200> shouldn't<00:38:17.410> have<00:38:17.440> allowed 00:38:17.640 --> 00:38:17.650 align:start position:0% mistake he shouldn't have allowed 00:38:17.650 --> 00:38:18.960 align:start position:0% mistake he shouldn't have allowed himself<00:38:17.860> to<00:38:18.010> be<00:38:18.160> convinced<00:38:18.520> to<00:38:18.580> do<00:38:18.700> it<00:38:18.820> and 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:18.970 align:start position:0% himself to be convinced to do it and 00:38:18.970 --> 00:38:21.330 align:start position:0% himself to be convinced to do it and from<00:38:19.150> that<00:38:19.210> point<00:38:19.600> on<00:38:19.840> his<00:38:20.170> philosophy<00:38:20.380> was<00:38:20.860> we 00:38:21.330 --> 00:38:21.340 align:start position:0% from that point on his philosophy was we 00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:25.140 align:start position:0% from that point on his philosophy was we can<00:38:21.520> do<00:38:21.640> more<00:38:21.910> ill<00:38:22.810> by<00:38:23.790> intervening<00:38:24.790> in<00:38:25.030> an 00:38:25.140 --> 00:38:25.150 align:start position:0% can do more ill by intervening in an 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philosophy did I talk about that yes and but<00:38:31.930> actually<00:38:32.350> so<00:38:32.980> this<00:38:33.130> conversation<00:38:33.850> has 00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:33.970 align:start position:0% but actually so this conversation has 00:38:33.970 --> 00:38:35.550 align:start position:0% but actually so this conversation has helped<00:38:34.180> me<00:38:34.270> understand<00:38:34.690> exactly<00:38:34.840> where<00:38:35.350> you 00:38:35.550 --> 00:38:35.560 align:start position:0% helped me understand exactly where you 00:38:35.560 --> 00:38:38.100 align:start position:0% helped me understand exactly where you and<00:38:35.710> I<00:38:35.770> disagree<00:38:36.040> and<00:38:36.520> it's<00:38:36.910> a<00:38:37.000> very<00:38:37.390> important 00:38:38.100 --> 00:38:38.110 align:start position:0% and I disagree and it's a very important 00:38:38.110 --> 00:38:41.870 align:start position:0% and I disagree and it's a very important point<00:38:38.410> you<00:38:39.310> 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back all right let's see if we get the 00:43:58.600 --> 00:44:00.720 align:start position:0% back all right let's see if we get the audience<00:43:58.990> involved<00:43:59.260> here<00:43:59.500> anybody<00:43:59.740> have<00:43:59.920> some 00:44:00.720 --> 00:44:00.730 align:start position:0% audience involved here anybody have some 00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:02.820 align:start position:0% audience involved here anybody have some questions<00:44:01.030> this<00:44:01.120> great<00:44:01.330> panel<00:44:01.630> hmm<00:44:02.170> crowd 00:44:02.820 --> 00:44:02.830 align:start position:0% questions this great panel hmm crowd 00:44:02.830 --> 00:44:04.710 align:start position:0% questions this great panel hmm crowd somebody<00:44:03.370> here<00:44:03.490> someplace<00:44:03.880> right<00:44:04.270> here<00:44:04.510> I 00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:04.720 align:start position:0% somebody here someplace right here I 00:44:04.720 --> 00:44:06.960 align:start position:0% somebody here someplace 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align:start position:0% anything is he different today than he was<00:44:56.110> when<00:44:56.320> he<00:44:56.410> came<00:44:56.530> into<00:44:56.710> office<00:44:56.830> do<00:44:57.160> you<00:44:57.220> see 00:44:57.390 --> 00:44:57.400 align:start position:0% was when he came into office do you see 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.510 align:start position:0% was when he came into office do you see any<00:44:57.810> evolution<00:44:58.810> or<00:44:58.930> is<00:44:59.080> this<00:44:59.280> where<00:45:00.280> you<00:45:00.340> think 00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:00.520 align:start position:0% any evolution or is this where you think 00:45:00.520 --> 00:45:01.530 align:start position:0% any evolution or is this where you think it<00:45:00.610> is<00:45:00.730> there's<00:45:00.970> definitely<00:45:01.300> been<00:45:01.450> an 00:45:01.530 --> 00:45:01.540 align:start position:0% it is there's definitely been an 00:45:01.540 --> 00:45:05.730 align:start position:0% it is there's definitely 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00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:10.609 align:start position:0% everybody knows Andrea Mitchell oh here 00:51:10.609 --> 00:51:13.510 align:start position:0% everybody knows Andrea Mitchell oh here comes<00:51:10.760> a<00:51:10.849> tough<00:51:11.030> one<00:51:11.710> I<00:51:12.710> just<00:51:12.920> wanted<00:51:13.280> to<00:51:13.369> say 00:51:13.510 --> 00:51:13.520 align:start position:0% comes a tough one I just wanted to say 00:51:13.520 --> 00:51:16.270 align:start position:0% comes a tough one I just wanted to say as<00:51:14.300> we<00:51:14.780> talked<00:51:15.050> about<00:51:15.200> these<00:51:15.470> alliances<00:51:15.800> in 00:51:16.270 --> 00:51:16.280 align:start position:0% as we talked about these alliances in 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.880 align:start position:0% as we talked about these alliances in our<00:51:16.400> role<00:51:17.230> something<00:51:18.230> just<00:51:18.410> happened<00:51:18.800> that 00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:18.890 align:start position:0% our role something just happened that 00:51:18.890 --> 00:51:20.799 align:start position:0% our role something just happened that the<00:51:18.980> president<00:51:19.010> has<00:51:19.520> announced<00:51:19.790> which<00:51:20.630> is 00:51:20.799 --> 00:51:20.809 align:start position:0% the president has announced which is 00:51:20.809 --> 00:51:22.980 align:start position:0% the president has announced which is that<00:51:20.990> the<00:51:21.079> USS<00:51:21.440> boxer<00:51:21.710> has<00:51:22.160> shot<00:51:22.430> down 00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:22.990 align:start position:0% that the USS boxer has shot down 00:51:22.990 --> 00:51:27.000 align:start position:0% that the USS boxer has shot down presumably<00:51:23.990> an<00:51:24.170> unmanned<00:51:24.609> Iranian<00:51:25.609> drone 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:27.010 align:start position:0% presumably an unmanned Iranian drone 00:51:27.010 --> 00:51:29.920 align:start position:0% presumably an unmanned Iranian drone which<00:51:28.010> 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--> 00:52:00.230 align:start position:0% has just happened that's the danger of 00:52:00.230 --> 00:52:02.620 align:start position:0% has just happened that's the danger of miscalculation<00:52:00.980> that's<00:52:01.339> what<00:52:01.550> I<00:52:01.630> raised 00:52:02.620 --> 00:52:02.630 align:start position:0% miscalculation that's what I raised 00:52:02.630 --> 00:52:04.990 align:start position:0% miscalculation that's what I raised earlier<00:52:02.930> I<00:52:03.349> think<00:52:03.920> by<00:52:04.069> getting<00:52:04.550> out<00:52:04.700> of<00:52:04.910> the 00:52:04.990 --> 00:52:05.000 align:start position:0% earlier I think by getting out of the 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.569 align:start position:0% earlier I think by getting out of the jcpoa<00:52:05.660> the<00:52:06.050> Iran<00:52:06.290> deal<00:52:06.530> the<00:52:06.710> way<00:52:06.829> we<00:52:06.980> did<00:52:07.190> we 00:52:07.569 --> 00:52:07.579 align:start position:0% jcpoa the Iran deal the way we did we 00:52:07.579 --> 00:52:09.490 align:start position:0% jcpoa the Iran deal the way we did we alienated<00:52:08.420> people<00:52:08.450> who<00:52:08.960> should<00:52:09.170> be<00:52:09.319> on<00:52:09.470> our 00:52:09.490 --> 00:52:09.500 align:start position:0% alienated people who should be on our 00:52:09.500 --> 00:52:12.940 align:start position:0% alienated people who should be on our side<00:52:10.010> two<00:52:10.700> of<00:52:10.849> the<00:52:11.030> of<00:52:11.240> the<00:52:11.839> parties<00:52:12.380> who<00:52:12.829> are 00:52:12.940 --> 00:52:12.950 align:start position:0% side two of the of the parties who are 00:52:12.950 --> 00:52:14.920 align:start position:0% side two of the of the parties who are on<00:52:13.069> our<00:52:13.099> side<00:52:13.579> with<00:52:13.970> respect<00:52:14.119> to<00:52:14.420> containing 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:14.930 align:start position:0% on our side with respect to containing 00:52:14.930 --> 00:52:17.410 align:start position:0% on our side with respect to containing Iran's<00:52:15.170> nuclear<00:52:15.440> ambition<00:52:16.069> were<00:52:16.609> Russia<00:52:17.089> and 00:52:17.410 --> 00:52:17.420 align:start position:0% Iran's nuclear ambition were Russia and 00:52:17.420 --> 00:52:20.470 align:start position:0% Iran's nuclear ambition were Russia and China<00:52:17.809> let's<00:52:18.410> understand<00:52:18.950> that<00:52:19.040> and<00:52:19.369> and<00:52:19.940> what 00:52:20.470 --> 00:52:20.480 align:start position:0% China let's understand that and and what 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.260 align:start position:0% China let's understand that and and what I<00:52:20.510> worry<00:52:20.839> about<00:52:20.990> now<00:52:21.380> is<00:52:21.710> I<00:52:21.740> don't<00:52:22.339> know<00:52:22.730> what 00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:23.270 align:start position:0% I worry about now is I don't know what 00:52:23.270 --> 00:52:25.329 align:start position:0% I worry about now is I don't know what 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position:0% an election season where confrontation 00:52:48.589 --> 00:52:51.190 align:start position:0% an election season where confrontation with<00:52:48.710> Iran<00:52:48.950> would<00:52:49.099> probably<00:52:49.490> help<00:52:49.670> and<00:52:50.000> so<00:52:50.630> I<00:52:50.839> I 00:52:51.190 --> 00:52:51.200 align:start position:0% with Iran would probably help and so I I 00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:52.870 align:start position:0% with Iran would probably help and so I I don't<00:52:51.349> know<00:52:51.559> how<00:52:51.680> this<00:52:52.040> all<00:52:52.220> sorts<00:52:52.549> out<00:52:52.670> and 00:52:52.870 --> 00:52:52.880 align:start position:0% don't know how this all sorts out and 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.000 align:start position:0% don't know how this all sorts out and let's<00:52:53.000> remember<00:52:53.420> on<00:52:53.540> World<00:52:54.200> War<00:52:54.380> one<00:52:54.589> Joe<00:52:54.859> was 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:55.010 align:start position:0% let's remember on World War one Joe was 00:52:55.010 --> 00:52:58.180 align:start position:0% let's remember on World War one Joe was one<00:52:55.549> of<00:52:55.700> you<00:52:55.819> were<00:52:55.970> managing<00:52:56.799> most<00:52:57.799> people 00:52:58.180 --> 00:52:58.190 align:start position:0% one of you were managing most people 00:52:58.190 --> 00:53:00.339 align:start position:0% one of you were managing most people looking<00:52:58.490> back<00:52:58.670> on<00:52:58.700> that<00:52:59.119> that's<00:53:00.020> a<00:53:00.140> hundred 00:53:00.339 --> 00:53:00.349 align:start position:0% looking back on that that's a hundred 00:53:00.349 --> 00:53:02.020 align:start position:0% looking back on that that's a hundred and<00:53:00.530> one<00:53:00.680> years<00:53:00.710> ago<00:53:01.220> was<00:53:01.400> the<00:53:01.520> Armistice 00:53:02.020 --> 00:53:02.030 align:start position:0% and one years ago was the Armistice 00:53:02.030 --> 00:53:04.210 align:start position:0% and one years ago was the Armistice think<00:53:02.780> that<00:53:03.079> it<00:53:03.500> was<00:53:03.680> based<00:53:04.040> on<00:53:04.160> a 00:53:04.210 --> 00:53:04.220 align:start position:0% think that it was based on a 00:53:04.220 --> 00:53:05.109 align:start position:0% think that it was based on a miscalculation 00:53:05.109 --> 00:53:05.119 align:start position:0% miscalculation 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:10.559 align:start position:0% miscalculation no<00:53:05.690> one<00:53:05.900> can<00:53:06.140> define<00:53:06.799> the<00:53:07.160> actual<00:53:07.930> factual 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:10.569 align:start position:0% no one can define the actual factual 00:53:10.569 --> 00:53:13.420 align:start position:0% no one can define the actual factual progression<00:53:11.569> that<00:53:11.990> led<00:53:12.380> to<00:53:12.619> a<00:53:12.650> war<00:53:12.980> that<00:53:13.220> was<00:53:13.369> a 00:53:13.420 --> 00:53:13.430 align:start position:0% progression that led to a war that was a 00:53:13.430 --> 00:53:16.089 align:start position:0% progression that led to a war that was a just<00:53:13.819> war<00:53:14.059> and<00:53:14.329> and<00:53:14.599> it<00:53:14.780> was<00:53:14.930> the<00:53:15.109> most<00:53:15.290> bloody 00:53:16.089 --> 00:53:16.099 align:start position:0% just war and and it was the most bloody 00:53:16.099 --> 00:53:18.730 align:start position:0% just war and and it was the most bloody war<00:53:16.430> in<00:53:16.549> our<00:53:16.640> history<00:53:17.000> so<00:53:17.329> I<00:53:17.359> worry<00:53:17.839> enormous 00:53:18.730 --> 00:53:18.740 align:start position:0% war in our history so I worry enormous 00:53:18.740 --> 00:53:21.820 align:start position:0% war in our history so I worry enormous way<00:53:18.830> that<00:53:19.400> we<00:53:19.880> don't<00:53:20.750> have<00:53:21.050> the<00:53:21.200> tools<00:53:21.380> and<00:53:21.740> we 00:53:21.820 --> 00:53:21.830 align:start position:0% way that we don't have the tools and we 00:53:21.830 --> 00:53:24.160 align:start position:0% way that we don't have the tools and we don't<00:53:22.040> have<00:53:22.190> the<00:53:22.340> focus<00:53:22.570> to<00:53:23.570> make<00:53:23.720> sure<00:53:23.960> we've 00:53:24.160 --> 00:53:24.170 align:start position:0% don't have the focus to make sure we've 00:53:24.170 --> 00:53:26.260 align:start position:0% don't have the focus to make sure we've got<00:53:24.200> our<00:53:24.440> facts<00:53:25.190> right<00:53:25.430> I'm<00:53:25.760> gonna<00:53:25.910> give<00:53:26.060> Bobby 00:53:26.260 --> 00:53:26.270 align:start position:0% got our facts right I'm gonna give Bobby 00:53:26.270 --> 00:53:27.580 align:start position:0% got our facts right I'm gonna give Bobby who's<00:53:26.480> Bobby<00:53:26.750> shaking<00:53:26.990> his<00:53:27.110> head<00:53:27.230> I<00:53:27.260> want<00:53:27.500> to 00:53:27.580 --> 00:53:27.590 align:start position:0% who's Bobby shaking his head I want to 00:53:27.590 --> 00:53:29.910 align:start position:0% who's Bobby shaking his head I want to give<00:53:27.710> him<00:53:27.800> a<00:53:27.890> chance<00:53:28.610> to<00:53:28.850> give<00:53:29.000> us<00:53:29.090> a<00:53:29.180> thought 00:53:29.910 --> 00:53:29.920 align:start position:0% give him a chance to give us a thought 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:35.680 align:start position:0% give him a chance to give us a thought well<00:53:30.920> I<00:53:31.930> Germany<00:53:32.930> wanted<00:53:33.320> war<00:53:33.650> in<00:53:34.610> 1914<00:53:35.480> and 00:53:35.680 --> 00:53:35.690 align:start position:0% well I Germany wanted war in 1914 and 00:53:35.690 --> 00:53:37.990 align:start position:0% well I Germany wanted war in 1914 and that's<00:53:35.869> why<00:53:36.020> there<00:53:36.230> was<00:53:36.350> a<00:53:36.410> war<00:53:36.590> it<00:53:37.340> was<00:53:37.550> not<00:53:37.700> we 00:53:37.990 --> 00:53:38.000 align:start position:0% that's why there was a war it was not we 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.550 align:start position:0% that's why there was a war it was not we didn't<00:53:38.180> stumble<00:53:38.450> nobody<00:53:38.840> stumbled<00:53:39.200> into<00:53:39.290> war 00:53:39.550 --> 00:53:39.560 align:start position:0% didn't stumble nobody stumbled into war 00:53:39.560 --> 00:53:41.530 align:start position:0% didn't stumble nobody stumbled into war and<00:53:39.830> I<00:53:40.310> mean<00:53:40.490> on<00:53:40.700> Iran<00:53:40.970> I<00:53:41.000> don't<00:53:41.300> know<00:53:41.360> what's 00:53:41.530 --> 00:53:41.540 align:start position:0% and I mean on Iran I don't know what's 00:53:41.540 --> 00:53:44.859 align:start position:0% and I mean on Iran I don't know what's gonna<00:53:41.720> happen<00:53:41.930> obviously<00:53:42.710> but<00:53:43.119> my<00:53:44.119> reading<00:53:44.660> of 00:53:44.859 --> 00:53:44.869 align:start position:0% gonna happen obviously but my reading 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and they shot down a drone I mean<00:53:56.150> that<00:53:56.300> is<00:53:56.450> not<00:53:56.480> necessarily<00:53:57.470> leading<00:53:57.980> to 00:53:58.090 --> 00:53:58.100 align:start position:0% mean that is not necessarily leading to 00:53:58.100 --> 00:53:59.410 align:start position:0% mean that is not necessarily leading to war<00:53:58.310> and<00:53:58.520> I<00:53:58.580> don't<00:53:58.610> think<00:53:58.760> the<00:53:58.940> Iranians<00:53:59.300> want 00:53:59.410 --> 00:53:59.420 align:start position:0% war and I don't think the Iranians want 00:53:59.420 --> 00:54:01.240 align:start position:0% war and I don't think the Iranians want a<00:53:59.510> war<00:53:59.690> now<00:53:59.840> you<00:53:59.900> can<00:54:00.170> all<00:54:00.320> laugh<00:54:00.770> at<00:54:00.980> me<00:54:01.070> in<00:54:01.160> a 00:54:01.240 --> 00:54:01.250 align:start position:0% a war now you can all laugh at me in a 00:54:01.250 --> 00:54:02.740 align:start position:0% a war now you can all laugh at me in a week<00:54:01.400> when<00:54:01.610> the<00:54:01.670> war<00:54:01.850> has<00:54:01.970> started<00:54:02.119> and<00:54:02.660> you 00:54:02.740 --> 00:54:02.750 align:start position:0% week when the war has started and you 00:54:02.750 --> 00:54:03.910 align:start position:0% week when the war has started and you can<00:54:02.900> say<00:54:03.050> that<00:54:03.230> guys<00:54:03.380> should<00:54:03.590> never<00:54:03.740> be 00:54:03.910 --> 00:54:03.920 align:start position:0% can say that guys should never be 00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:05.830 align:start position:0% can say that guys should never be invited<00:54:04.310> back<00:54:04.460> I'm<00:54:04.910> sure<00:54:05.060> I<00:54:05.090> won't<00:54:05.300> be<00:54:05.420> invited 00:54:05.830 --> 00:54:05.840 align:start position:0% invited back I'm sure I won't be invited 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.290 align:start position:0% invited back I'm sure I won't be invited back<00:54:05.990> 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what what 00:54:35.210 --> 00:54:39.010 align:start position:0% challenge a challenging China what what role<00:54:35.480> did<00:54:36.470> to<00:54:36.619> each<00:54:36.770> of<00:54:36.920> you<00:54:37.040> see<00:54:37.840> India<00:54:38.840> but 00:54:39.010 --> 00:54:39.020 align:start position:0% role did to each of you see India but 00:54:39.020 --> 00:54:41.470 align:start position:0% role did to each of you see India but specifically<00:54:39.470> Narendra<00:54:40.190> Modi's<00:54:40.609> India 00:54:41.470 --> 00:54:41.480 align:start position:0% specifically Narendra Modi's India 00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:44.050 align:start position:0% specifically Narendra Modi's India playing<00:54:42.290> in<00:54:42.500> great<00:54:42.740> power<00:54:43.160> rivalry<00:54:43.850> in<00:54:43.940> the 00:54:44.050 --> 00:54:44.060 align:start position:0% playing in great power rivalry in the 00:54:44.060 --> 00:54:47.020 align:start position:0% playing in great power rivalry in the 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Chinese and we 00:55:16.100 --> 00:55:18.310 align:start position:0% scared as hell of the Chinese and we want<00:55:16.310> to<00:55:16.430> make<00:55:16.580> sure<00:55:16.609> we<00:55:16.940> improve<00:55:17.720> relations 00:55:18.310 --> 00:55:18.320 align:start position:0% want to make sure we improve relations 00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:20.170 align:start position:0% want to make sure we improve relations with<00:55:18.410> you<00:55:18.650> the<00:55:19.250> Indians<00:55:19.640> want<00:55:19.850> to<00:55:19.910> have<00:55:20.060> it 00:55:20.170 --> 00:55:20.180 align:start position:0% with you the Indians want to have it 00:55:20.180 --> 00:55:22.960 align:start position:0% with you the Indians want to have it both<00:55:20.359> ways<00:55:20.590> they<00:55:21.590> want<00:55:21.859> to<00:55:21.950> be<00:55:22.070> able<00:55:22.220> to<00:55:22.609> keep 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:22.970 align:start position:0% both ways they want to be able to keep 00:55:22.970 --> 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Advisor 00:55:39.580 --> 00:55:42.180 align:start position:0% former Indian National Security Advisor is<00:55:39.760> there<00:55:40.090> that<00:55:40.360> Chinese<00:55:41.050> were<00:55:41.320> berating<00:55:42.010> him 00:55:42.180 --> 00:55:42.190 align:start position:0% is there that Chinese were berating him 00:55:42.190 --> 00:55:44.190 align:start position:0% is there that Chinese were berating him for<00:55:42.460> not<00:55:42.610> supporting<00:55:42.910> Belton<00:55:43.660> Road 00:55:44.190 --> 00:55:44.200 align:start position:0% for not supporting Belton Road 00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:47.940 align:start position:0% for not supporting Belton Road he<00:55:44.590> said<00:55:44.770> Belton<00:55:45.430> Road<00:55:45.700> is<00:55:46.090> a<00:55:46.650> device<00:55:47.650> for 00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:47.950 align:start position:0% he said Belton Road is a device for 00:55:47.950 --> 00:55:49.410 align:start position:0% he said Belton Road is a device for 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align:start position:0% it's a containment policy so yes India is<00:55:57.850> going<00:55:58.000> to<00:55:58.150> be<00:55:58.240> increasing<00:55:59.020> increasingly 00:55:59.580 --> 00:55:59.590 align:start position:0% is going to be increasing increasingly 00:55:59.590 --> 00:56:02.250 align:start position:0% is going to be increasing increasingly important<00:56:00.070> that's<00:56:00.190> why<00:56:00.460> we<00:56:00.640> talk<00:56:01.000> about<00:56:01.260> when 00:56:02.250 --> 00:56:02.260 align:start position:0% important that's why we talk about when 00:56:02.260 --> 00:56:04.620 align:start position:0% important that's why we talk about when we<00:56:02.380> have<00:56:02.560> here<00:56:02.890> the<00:56:03.190> ahead<00:56:03.970> of<00:56:04.090> the<00:56:04.210> Indo 00:56:04.620 --> 00:56:04.630 align:start position:0% we have here the ahead of the Indo 00:56:04.630 --> 00:56:07.290 align:start position:0% we have here the ahead of the Indo 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stand 00:57:53.849 --> 00:57:53.859 align:start position:0% vocally as you can and there I stand 00:57:53.859 --> 00:57:57.630 align:start position:0% vocally as you can and there I stand with<00:57:54.130> sort<00:57:54.730> of<00:57:54.820> a<00:57:55.410> Universalist<00:57:56.410> view<00:57:56.890> but 00:57:57.630 --> 00:57:57.640 align:start position:0% with sort of a Universalist view but 00:57:57.640 --> 00:58:00.810 align:start position:0% with sort of a Universalist view but that<00:57:57.910> is<00:57:58.330> not<00:57:58.750> the<00:57:59.349> premise<00:57:59.800> of<00:58:00.040> the<00:58:00.310> UN<00:58:00.550> system 00:58:00.810 --> 00:58:00.820 align:start position:0% that is not the premise of the UN system 00:58:00.820 --> 00:58:02.760 align:start position:0% that is not the premise of the UN system that<00:58:01.270> may<00:58:01.480> be<00:58:01.540> the<00:58:01.750> premise<00:58:01.960> of<00:58:02.290> the<00:58:02.380> Council 00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:02.770 align:start position:0% that may be the premise of the Council 00:58:02.770 --> 00:58:05.099 align:start position:0% that may be the premise of the Council on<00:58:02.830> the<00:58:03.580> Council<00:58:04.030> on<00:58:04.060> democracies<00:58:04.780> that<00:58:04.990> may 00:58:05.099 --> 00:58:05.109 align:start position:0% on the Council on democracies that may 00:58:05.109 --> 00:58:07.500 align:start position:0% on the Council on democracies that may be<00:58:05.170> the<00:58:05.320> premise<00:58:05.530> of<00:58:05.770> NATO<00:58:06.040> they're<00:58:06.510> different 00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:07.510 align:start position:0% be the premise of NATO they're different 00:58:07.510 --> 00:58:10.020 align:start position:0% be the premise of NATO they're different fora<00:58:07.810> where<00:58:08.080> we<00:58:08.290> can<00:58:08.500> push<00:58:08.740> very<00:58:09.040> hard<00:58:09.220> against 00:58:10.020 --> 00:58:10.030 align:start position:0% fora where we can push very 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premise that if we are going to solve global<00:58:17.859> problems<00:58:18.240> we<00:58:19.240> also<00:58:19.540> have<00:58:20.050> to<00:58:20.200> work 00:58:20.370 --> 00:58:20.380 align:start position:0% global problems we also have to work 00:58:20.380 --> 00:58:21.750 align:start position:0% global problems we also have to work with<00:58:20.590> countries<00:58:20.980> that<00:58:21.130> are<00:58:21.280> very<00:58:21.490> different 00:58:21.750 --> 00:58:21.760 align:start position:0% with countries that are very different 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.520 align:start position:0% with countries that are very different than<00:58:21.940> we<00:58:22.180> are<00:58:22.210> so<00:58:22.540> on<00:58:22.690> something<00:58:23.109> like<00:58:23.260> climate 00:58:23.520 --> 00:58:23.530 align:start position:0% than we are so on something like climate 00:58:23.530 --> 00:58:26.220 align:start position:0% than we are so on something like climate change<00:58:24.010> 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00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:55.810 align:start position:0% end at night I grew there Marie you can 00:58:55.810 --> 00:58:59.099 align:start position:0% end at night I grew there Marie you can condemn<00:58:56.320> China's<00:58:57.099> behavior<00:58:57.369> in<00:58:57.820> Xinjiang<00:58:58.450> at 00:58:59.099 --> 00:58:59.109 align:start position:0% condemn China's behavior in Xinjiang at 00:58:59.109 --> 00:59:00.839 align:start position:0% condemn China's behavior in Xinjiang at the<00:58:59.290> same<00:58:59.530> time<00:58:59.800> you<00:58:59.980> can<00:59:00.130> work<00:59:00.310> with<00:59:00.580> among 00:59:00.839 --> 00:59:00.849 align:start position:0% the same time you can work with among 00:59:00.849 --> 00:59:04.349 align:start position:0% the same time you can work with among more<00:59:01.660> effective<00:59:02.440> control<00:59:03.130> of<00:59:03.339> carbon<00:59:03.970> in<00:59:04.180> the 00:59:04.349 --> 00:59:04.359 align:start position:0% more effective 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time we're not very good at it all 00:59:11.619 --> 00:59:12.900 align:start position:0% same time we're not very good at it all right<00:59:11.770> thank<00:59:12.040> you<00:59:12.099> guys<00:59:12.190> very<00:59:12.490> much<00:59:12.730> for 00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:12.910 align:start position:0% right thank you guys very much for 00:59:12.910 --> 00:59:15.329 align:start position:0% right thank you guys very much for coming<00:59:13.330> thank<00:59:13.359> make<00:59:13.990> our<00:59:14.140> panel<00:59:14.530> for<00:59:14.710> a<00:59:15.160> great 00:59:15.329 --> 00:59:15.339 align:start position:0% coming thank make our panel for a great 00:59:15.339 --> 00:59:24.580 align:start position:0% coming thank make our panel for a great conversation 00:59:24.580 --> 00:59:24.590 align:start position:0% 00:59:24.590 --> 00:59:27.500 align:start position:0% we<00:59:25.590> are<00:59:25.770> taking<00:59:26.190> a<00:59:26.310> break<00:59:26.340> now<00:59:26.760> we<00:59:27.060> 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